23 Jan 2016 21:42:14
Bertrand to United? Any truth?

{Ed002's Note - This is a while back but Manchester United have spoken with Ryan Bertrand's agent to see if he would be interested in a move to Old Trafford - I understand the answer is "possibly" and I suspect it would be the "what happens when Shaw is back?" question he is pondering. Southampton will resist any offer.}

1.) 24 Jan 2016
24 Jan 2016 12:51:50
Hi Edd

I was stupidly under the impression that clubs were not allowed to speak to a player or his agent without the prior permission of the parent club, are you saying that Southampton gave Manchester United permission to speak to Ryan bertrands agent? I don't think so edd.

{Ed002's Note - As you say, you were "stupidly under the impression". So that would be disillusioned and stupid.}

2.) 24 Jan 2016
24 Jan 2016 17:27:10
If anyone thinks this does not go on in football, is stupid. However Bertrand would want first team football, but probably and understandably thinks he is in the same ball park as Luke shaw.

{Ed002's Note - Nobody has done anything wrong at all. You have been misled by the "disillusioned" one so simply does not understand what is and what isn't allowed.}

3.) 25 Jan 2016
25 Jan 2016 08:57:26
Hi Edd

Currently under both the transfer rules established by FIFA and the Football Association followed by the clubs playing in England if another club wants to procure the services of a player that is registered with another club they must speak directly with that club and not to the player or his agent. The individual player and the agent who represents him will only be brought in for discussions with the potential purchasing club once the two clubs have agreed on a fee.
I never said it don't go on, but above is the fifa rule, I maybe wrong but I don't think Saints want to sell Ryan Bertand at the momment.

{Ed002's Note - Agents and representatives of players can and do talk to anyone they want to - and as I said Manchester United have spoken with the agent of Ryan Bertrand. And the rules do not forbid this.

If Manchester United then decide they want to buy or to try and buy the player ("procure the services" as you so quaintly put it), then they must approach the club.

I would summarize the process as follows: Clubs will typically informally ask an agent (a) if the player is going to be available, and (b) would the player consider a move to the club. There may be some broad discussion on the sort of deal that would be offered. If the answer is yes, it is then necessary for the club to approach the player's club to ask if they would be willing to sell and if they would grant permission to speak to a player's agent and possibly even the player about actually making a move. This will typically involve either broadly (through an offer) or actually agreeing a fee and responsibility for any significant costs (agents fees etc.). Once this has happened the club will be able to speak to the player's agent and perhaps the player himself to look at the package that will be involved. Many players are looked at and discussed at a high-level with agents and clubs; a subset of those have an offer placed; a subset of those involve discussions with the player's club; a subset of those involve discussions over terms, and; a subset of those go ahead.

Hopefully this clears up your misunderstanding.}

4.) 25 Jan 2016
25 Jan 2016 14:55:18
So in your opinion its not against FIFA rules for one club to tap up the player of another club or as you so eloquently put it, typically informally ask an agent (a) if the player is going to be available and (b) would the player consider a move to the club.
without the club who the player is registered with having any knowledge or giving them their approval, ( unless the player has been informed that he no longer fits into the clubs future plans or his contract is not going to be renewed he would not know if he was going to be available) also another club asking a players agent if his player would consider playing for their club without the knowledge of the club who hold his registration is clearly against FIFA rules.
Article 14 (c) of the FIFA Players’ Agents Regulations states that a licensed player’s agent must never approach a player who is under contract with a club with the aim of persuading him to terminate his contract prematurely or to flout the rights and duties stipulated in that contract. This clearly shows that an agent who sets up meetings in this manner will clearly be in breach of the regulations which he must adhere to in his role as a football agent.

{Ed002's Note - Of course it is not OK to tap players up. You are seemingly struggling to understand what is going on at all. There is nothing wrong with the process as I explained it. The rule you quoted is of no relevance as it is the player's agent the club is talking to and not another agent.

This is clearly something that is well beyond your understanding as you seem to be misunderstanding whatever you have searched on. It would be a lot easier for you to simply drop this. You are well out of your depth.}

5.) 25 Jan 2016
25 Jan 2016 15:04:40
I love the information, brilliant, in depth full contribution and time take from ed. followed by the one "disagree" does make me laugh.

6.) 25 Jan 2016
25 Jan 2016 18:12:30
I'd put a bit of aloe Vera on that burn, disillusioned. lol anyone seen 87 since we started winning, keeping clean sheets and bought Charlie Austin? . I'm sure the negative ones will pipe up again with "sack the board" "she should sell up" "no ambition" once we lose again.

7.) 25 Jan 2016
25 Jan 2016 19:18:30
Edd you talk a load of rubbish. An agent is a representative of a player, so a club can't just ask them if a player is available. That is tapping up. Do you think the players parent club would allow that, No. If a player is employed by a club then it is the clubs decision if the player is going to be available, not the agents. Unless they are going to be a free agent.

{Ed001's Note - you really have no idea do you? Bless.}

8.) 25 Jan 2016
25 Jan 2016 19:21:13
Another breach of FIFA and FA rules highlighted in the BBC programme was the common practice of ‘tapping up’, often facilitated by agents, whereby players are offered for sale to other clubs without the knowledge and consent of the club with whom the player is registered.
Article 14 (c) of the FIFA Players’ Agents Regulations provides that a licensed player’s agent must never ‘approach a player who is under contract with a club with the aim of persuading him to terminate his contract prematurely or to flout the rights and duties stipulated in the contract’. Similar rules are included in national association laws and are designed to maintain contract stability between the club and player.
In June 2005, Chelsea, its manager Jose Mourinho and the then Arsenal player Ashley Cole, were found guilty of tapping up charges by the FA Premier League Independent Disciplinary Commission; and, later, in September 2006, Cole’s agent had his agent’s licence revoked for eighteen months (nine months suspended) for his role in the affair. Chelsea received a fine and a suspended three-point deduction, and Cole eventually signed for Chelsea.
what bit of this don't you understand?

{Ed002's Note - Jesus you are one dumb fuck aren't you. I don't know how much time you wasted on all of this but you simply do not understand. Chelsea were fined for meeting and tapping up the player - not simply having an allowable discussion with his agent. Manchester United spoke to his agent which is allowable - they did not speak to the player which is not. You need to drop this as you are embarrassing yourself.

You started the entire conversation discussing your own stupidity - that was the time to stop - when you were ahead.}

9.) 25 Jan 2016
25 Jan 2016 20:27:33
Brilliant.

10.) 25 Jan 2016
25 Jan 2016 22:23:28
Don't think he is going to give up Edd 🤔. Probably best to just ignore it otherwise you'll be down at Staples clearing the shelves of red ink! Must admit the information was enlightening and I can understand why he was confused at first . Just don't think he will ever get it, well maybe not until he turns 16 .

11.) 26 Jan 2016
26 Jan 2016 08:26:16
I know you say that speaking to an agent is allowed but how can that be tapping up the agent would go to his client and say look this team wants you surely that's when a players head turns and they start demanding moves.

{Ed002's Note - Of course not. Unless the player is a complete flake. Southampton like all clubs speak to agents to sound out if a player might be interested in a move.}

12.) 26 Jan 2016
26 Jan 2016 13:38:59
Saints spoke to Austin's agent last Thursday. His agent told him that a bid was going in and to 'sit tight'. That bid was rejected and then on Friday his agent told Charlie to go and see the QPR manager. Charlie did and told him that he wanted to come to Saints. That's how it works.

13.) 26 Jan 2016
26 Jan 2016 17:18:25
I feel like I caused this whole argument! So will take this time to apologise to the group! I never mean to bring this discourse and negativity to this page. Sorry guys. Though it was very entertaining AND informative!
We going to sign anyone else? or we got our fix now.

14.) 26 Jan 2016
26 Jan 2016 19:50:38
Think of it as though you've seen a girl you like at a bar - perfectly fine to ask her friend if she's single, probably not okay to offer her money to go out with you.

15.) 26 Jan 2016
26 Jan 2016 17:18:25
I feel like I caused this whole argument! So will take this time to apologise to the group! I never mean to bring this discourse and negativity to this page. Sorry guys. Though it was very entertaining AND informative!
We going to sign anyone else? or we got our fix now.

{Ed002's Note - Don't worry. I am here to clarify and point. Some folks cannot let go =- no big deal Jimbobob.}