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27 May 2014 14:50:33
I think this may have taken another twist ITV are reporting from pochettino himself that:
"I (sic) want to say that I still have one more year on my contract.

It is only normal that these rumours will start cropping up. We know the rules with how these things happen in England.

We will sit down and we will talk. This is the end of a five-year project, we have achieved what we wanted from this project and now a new project has to start".

Sherborne Saint

1.) Sherbourne saint, as much as I wish that was the case that quote was from the end of the season a few weeks back. Poch has sat down with the southampton board and is obviously not happy with what KL has offered.


2.) This statement was about a week ago, this was before the board told him that he will have a squad of 7 players at the beginning if next season. Although he can increase that number by spending around half if the transfer fees received (around 250m) but he can't pay more than 10k a week to anyone. And that they want him to play the youngsters to increase their value.


3.) That is taken from the interview he gave on 11th of May after the Man U game. So as usual the press have taken a story from 2weeks ago and tried to turn it into a new story


4.) Poch is off. FFs we need to sign a decent manager quickly and keep all our players and tie them down. And sign some decent players soon


5.) 27 May 2014 18:36:09
Message deleted by editor.

{Ed005's Note - You should be ashamed of yourself for hurling abuse like that at Pochettino.}


6.) Hi ED who do u think is saints main manager targets? Yakin or De boer? Possibilities? We need to get a decent manager quickly and sign some decent players and keep our players

{Ed005's Note - I know nothing about Southampton at all so can't answer any of your questions. I am just making sure the posts get processed.}


7.) I contacted ed no2 via the arsenal site ( he is still very active). He basically said him and saints are done, and he prefers hanging with the arsenal fans. I commented on one of the posts


8.) Loosing a lot of people to North London eh?! ;-)


9.) Ed05 have you any knowledge of another ed replacing ed02 on the southampton page. Feeling pretty lonely down here with no manager.

{Ed005's Note - There is nobody else who can answer specifics. Other Eds will answer what they can.}


10.) Is murat yakin who saints want as manager? I hope we keep our players and sign some decent ones. Coyr ED


11.) Hi ED is de boer a possibility? Who do u think is possible? I hope we get a decent manager and keep our players bar osvaldo, hooiveld bad mayuka and we sign some decent ones

{Ed002's Note - It will become clearing in the coming days who the options are. What will be interesting is if Dan Petrescu is one - he has an offer on the table but might be a good choice. Laudrup would be a good choice, but I don't know if he is interested. De Boer, again I don't know.}


 

 

26 May 2014 17:38:11
Sounds like Pochettino has sold out. I get it people come and people go but once again it's the supporters who get it from a great hight. I for one don't want any meaningless prosaic statements from him about us.

Sherborne Saint

1.) I don't think he has "sold out". I think it's more a case of he has been told to expect a few players to leave saints this season and not a lot of money to spend. He probably thinks what's the point in staying and not being given the tools to finish a job that he started.


2.) Looks like mopo is off then. shame really, I think he will struggle at spurs. I think we know lalana and haw will go, but I just hope we stay away from the merry go round mangers like mackay, clark etc. someone different, maybe dave clement he has done his rounds hopefully learnt from some good managers, but probably end up with benitez. god help us if its lennon!


3.) Reported on bbc sport that he's in advanced talks


4.) In retrospect I think Poch decided that he was going to leave when Cortese went, he stayed for the benefit of the players. he will not do so well at Spurs, the players that really shone at Saints were in place when he arrived.


5.) How about frank de boaer. he could do a good job for us for a year 8th or 9th will be good then Tottenham can come in and steal him aswell. poxy Tottenham all started when they took martin chivers and they have not looked back. good god I am old!


6.) He is going because he has been going all along. He was never going to get the assurances he wanted with regards to not selling our prized assets.
It has been said by myself and others that KL and the hockey boss do not know about our club but only about making money.
Therefore to sell our best assets, buy cheaper options, grow more young talent to sell further along the line. Etc etc
That to them is business not caring about what us fans want.
If Miss Leibherr is not careful though she just might get us relegated and then where would this £140m prime business be?


7.) He's been in talks for ages according to the media. Until, like all the other speculation, something is firmed up and definite i'm not going to get too concerned.


8.) Maybe bring a bit optimistic but ehh don't we put in a cheeky offer for Mancini?! Better than de matteo. (Who I think we will end up with if I'm honest. )


9.) 26 May 2014 19:48:40
Also why the hell did Les Reed BS us?


10.) Well if this happens I hope there placement plays a similar game
because its going to be hard to go back to what we were watching before his time and adkins era


11.) He hasn't gone yet! and Les Reed didn't BS us obviously at the time there had been no bids/approaches but there has now


12.) Not convinced until it's signed. I have heard spurs have been banging on the door for months and poch hasn't been keen. However his only options are spurs or saints. I know I am bias but I would stick with saints


13.) 26 May 2014 23:20:10
Why does the blame move to the board? We don't as of yet know if he will leave and if so the reason behind it. Poch has done well and yes I hope he stays but Adkins did well and I'm sure even with shaw and Lallana moving on with correct money reinvested and a decent manager in charge - and there are a few out there - then we can continue to progress - though slower then we would hope - without putting the business at risk, which surely is the overall goal.


14.) Have I missed something that has been said? as far I am concerned MoPo is using his position to get what funds and himself a better deal.


15.) 27 May 2014 08:29:21
clutching at straws, he's gone


16.) 27 May 2014 08:30:56
It will soon be very much Frau Liebherr and Wreck it Ralph's fault. We are already rudderless soon we will be mangerless then we will become playerless. Should have seen it coming two weeks ago when they pi$$ed off Adidas.


17.) Hi ED so should mp be off soon? Have his talks with spurs been positive, could we get de boer as a replacement? Thanks ED

{Ed005's Note - Sorry mate, I don't know. I will have to ask another Ed who will know.}


18.) Ok let me know ED

{Ed005's Note - He is not going to help this page.}


19.) Oh ok thanks. When should mp future he sorted? We need to keep him or get yakin in and keep our players and sign players who are decent

{Ed005's Note - Sorry mate but I can't help at all.}


20.) What's up with Ed?


21.) 27 May 2014 22:19:13
Eds dead baby, Eds dead.


 

 

18 May 2014 11:11:21
Hi Ed, what is your personal take on the whole Pochettino-Spuds thing? The press with exception of the Express seen to have a massive post Cortese agenda against us. And I have to be honest I haven't felt this nervous about supporting the Saints since I was 9 and Shearer left for Blackburn and that includes two relegations and an administration.

Sherborne Saint

{Ed002's Note - As I explained long before Moyes left Old Trafford when van Gaal was expected to join Spurs that there was interest from Spors in Pochittino. I don't read the newspapers so really don't have any idea what they are saying. Everything that is happen with the manager and the players, however unpalatable to the Southampton fans, was expected in my view.}


1.) I reckon poch will be confirmed this week as spurs manager but I hope he stays but that looks slim. Coyr sign him up and give him a decent budget


2.) Hi ED are spurs looking for other options? Have they contacted Benitez? Mancini?

{Ed002's Note - Right now there interest is where I said.}


 

 

 

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09 Jul 2014 20:45:40
It's been over 72 hours since our Dejan got stroppy like a spoilt princess. Does anyone know if the Koeman brothers have frogmarched him, Spider and Oz to our brand Harry spankers training ground yet for a spot of Field punishment no. 1?

Sherborne Saint

1.) Don't be so harsh about him, Lovren was brilliant last season and may well return to the club after speaking with Koeman and apologise for his statements. It's not personal, give him some slack!


2.) What are you his mum the guys a door handle!


3.) 10 Jul 2014 02:28:35
Where did you hear he has apologised? Or that he might not go? I would have thought he has now made his role completely unassailable with what he said


4.) Granted, Lovren should not have come out and said those things. But remember it was a hell of a coup to get him at all let alone at that money, and it was because he bought into 'the project' and the ambition. Now those people who brought him here have all gone as well 3 of our best players. Can't blame him for being pissed off. I'm just hoping once meeting RK he'll buy into his plans.


5.) 10 Jul 2014 15:36:19
"Hell of a coup to get him at all"?? He was seen as a player who had some issues with authority, that's why other clubs had not gone for him. Saints gave him a second chance, which he was pleased to take and then, at the FIRST opportunity looks to jump ship for more money. That is it in simple terms, his version is purely smoke and mirrors to cover his own greed.


6.) Read what I said again.
There is no reason to be starting up a hate campaign over one of our players when he is still part of our club, he may well (hypothetically, this means it hasn't actually happened) apoligise for what he said and return to the club better than ever because Koeman persuades him to stay. OR you could be right and Lovren decides to leave.

Neither are reason to hate him or be abusive.
Súarez did this last year, wanting to leave for Real Madrid or Barcelona, however he ended up staying and now the fans love him.

You can believe what you like, just don't openly abuse people. This is a sport, not a playground!


7.) I like LuckyFinn's perspective - we all have a right to be free from abuse

It's a job to many and money attracts, Gordon Strachan summed it up when he said there's no loyalty anymore, although there's been none since football became a multi-media franchise when the EPL was formed IMO
Best wishes to all saints fans


8.) 11 Jul 2014 13:56:53
I have no problem at all that players want to better themselves. I have no problem that they may see their futures elsewhere.

I have a problem if they do not conduct themselves like adults in the process. To bite the hand that feeds you in such a way as this is not just rude, its downright disrespectful to the fans who have cheered you throughout the season.
Look at M.S. he has conducted himself in a dignified and respectful manner. I would be far more upset about him going. But. If he does I wish him well.


 

 

08 Apr 2013 21:08:31
Can anyone tell me how the FIFA fair play thingy works and how likely is a European place through it?

Sherborne Saint

1.) It's along these lines I believe:
The league that accumulates the fewest cards/points puts the side with the best record through to play in Europa. Ie Premier League need the best European record for Saints to get a place (if we still have the best record?)
PL were third last time count.


2.) Quite possible this plan of financial fair play may fall through with clubs changing their minds and what not. {Ed003's Note - Ed 002 did a summary of it......15 Dec 2012 07:54:52
{Ed002's Note - From reading a number of recent messages it seems that this would be an appropriate time to reprise the FFFR post:

The Demystification of the Financial Fair Play Rules (FFPR)
Introduction
I will try and simplify and summarise the FFPR and give examples where I can.
Putting aside all of the �mother country� fluff, the fundamental purpose of the FFPR is to:
(1) Ensure that clubs are operating within their means with transparent financial reporting. Example: Arsenal has debt which they can manage from the money they make as a club (good). Anzhi has a very low turnover given the amount of money they spend on players through donations from wealthy owners (bad).
(2) Protect creditors. Example: When Portsmouth went bust they owed money for players (the extreme case being Glen Johnson who had moved to Liverpool but Portsmouth still owed Chelsea for), money to local businesses (tradesmen who had worked at the ground, newsagents etc.), utility companies, the police et al (bad).
(3) Encourage responsible spending. Example: Liverpool under Hicks and Gillett borrowed money against the value of the club in order to buy players (bad).
(4) Protect the long-term viability of European club football. Example: They want to avoid the scenario of clubs entering administration or going out of business.
The FFPR apply to all UEFA club competitions and will actively come in to force from the end of June 2014 taking account of the financial monitoring period (the season just finished) and the two prior reporting periods (the two seasons before that). So when they first start, the FFPR will look at the 2013/2014 returns, and they will give consideration to the 2011/12 and 2012/13 figures.
I should make clear that it is not the full accounts of a club that are being considered, but just the �relevant� income and the �relevant� expenses. �Excluded� expenses are critical to the FFPR calculations. To this end, all clubs will need to effectively produce two sets of accounts. An audited set which are provided to Companies House and the relevant revenue organisations, and a second audited return laying out the �relevant� income and the �relevant� expenses for the purpose of the FFPR.
Relevant Income
(1) Match day gate receipts. Example: The money made by the club from paying fans attending games. This includes income from cup games when played away from home � where a proportion of the gate money goes to the away side.
(2) Broadcasting rights. Example: Television income for games, money provided for radio broadcasting.
(3) Income from commercial activities. Example: Sales of bobble hats and rattles, club shop income, licensed income (e.g. DVD sales). In the future you can expect to see income from other media (e.g. streaming of games on a pay-per-view basis to the web and phones) increase.
(4) Prize money. Example: income from the Premier League, Champions League etc..
(5) Sponsorship. Example: Shirt sponsors (Standard Chartered, Samsung etc.), shirt manufactures (Adidas, Warrior etc.).
(6) Advertising. Example: Companies who buy time on video screens during games or hoardings at the stadium.
(7) Other operating income. Example: Payments made to a club for playing friendly matches in the Far East.
(8) Income from transfers: Example: All income from the sale of a player regardless of payment being due to previous clubs, the player himself etc. as they are allowable expenses which will later be deducted.
(9) Excess proceeds on the sale of tangible fixed assets. Example: The money Arsenal from converting part of Highbury in to apartments and selling them.
(10) Other income: Example: Interest on investments.
Relevant Expenses
(1) The costs of running the business (confusingly referred to as �the cost of sales� by accountants etc.). Example: Wages, ground maintenance, lighting, telephones, IT equipment, travel costs, policing costs etc..
(2) Employee related benefits and associated costs. Example: Costs of providing insurance, dental care, medical, employer NI contribution, housing, loyalty bonuses etc..
(3) Other operating expenses. Example: Payments for advertising, legal fees, agent fees, accounting fees, payments to players in relation to transfers, payments to player�s previous clubs, etc..
(4) Amortisation or transfer costs. Example: The total amount of money paid to another club to transfer a player or, if a club decides to do so, the amortised cost for that year (where a club is spreading the cost of the transfer out over the length of his contract for accounting purposes).
(5) Finance costs. Example: Bank charges, interest on loans etc..
(6) Dividends. Example: The owners may take a dividend from the profits a club makes as income.
Excluded Expenses
(1) Depreciation of tangible fixed assets. Example: The loss, if any, in value of the stadium, cars, IT equipment etc..
(2) Costs associated with the intangible fixed assets (other than player registrations). Example: goodwill, franchises, trademarks, copyrights etc..
(3) Expenditure on youth development activities. Example: All youth development expenses (housing, schooling, travel, medical etc.) are excluded from the calculations.
(4) Community development activities. Example: Outreach programmes, donations to the local community and charities, provision of equipment etc..
(5) Tax expenses. Example: Monies paid to the Inland Revenue, VAT etc..
(6) Finance costs related to construction of tangible fixed assets. Example: The interest on the £300M loan to build a new stadium.
(7) Interest payments on old loans (pre June 1, 2011). Example: Any interest due on a loan taken out for whatever purpose before June 1, 2011 is excluded from the calculations.
(8) Certain expenses from non-football operations. Example: This does not really apply to British clubs, but in other European countries clubs are often �sporting clubs� and have basketball, football, hockey team etc. all under one business.
The Calculation
FFPR calculates from a club�s �relevant� income and the �relevant� expenses whether the club is running at a surplus (profit) or deficit (loss) within a Monitoring Period (e.g. 2013/14). From this the FFPR decides if a club has met the �break even� requirement or not. This is not met if the �relevant� expenses exceed the �relevant� income by more than 5M euros (an acceptable deviation).
If the club exceeds this acceptable deviation, the owners of a club may contribute toward correcting it to a maximum of 45M euro over a rolling three year period (30M euro from 2015/16 on). Example: If Club X made a loss of 50M euro in 2013/14 due to the purchase of players, the calculation will ignore the first 5M euro and assume an owner contribution of 45M euro and there would not be an issue. However, for the two years following, there would be no allowable owner contribution as the full allocation had been used. If Club Y made a loss of 30M euro in 2013/14 due to the purchase of players, the calculation will ignore the first 5M euro and assume an owner contribution of 25M euro and there would not be an issue. But in this case, for the two years following, there would still be 20M euro allowable as owner contribution to cover further losses.
The Punishment
The Threat: If a club has been determined to have violated the �break even� requirement for a season it may be excluded from the next season�s UEFA competitions.
Likely Situation: If a club can show it has been moving in the right direction and doing what it can to overcome financial issues, perhaps brought on by a recession (e.g. in Spain) then I would expect a strongly worded letter as a warning. Perhaps by then end of the 2016/2017 season, If a club has been determined to have violated the �break even� requirement for several seasons then it may be excluded from the next season�s UEFA competitions.
UEFA are willing to make some exceptions to the rule and have already said they will consider:
(1) The quantum and trend of the break even result. Example: Chelsea has spent a lot this summer rebuilding an aging squad, so even with considerable additional income from winning the Champions League it could violate the �break even� requirement. However, spending less next season will show the club moving in the right direction. Expect a strongly worded letter in a couple of years time.
(2) Debt situation. Example: A possible �get out� for Barcelona, Real Madrid and Manchester United should they have a bad season and need to violate the �break even� requirement. Consideration will be given to the existing debt and the ability of the clubs to service that debt. The trend of the debt reducing and an excuse of �one bad season� and �need to rebuild the team� would likely result in a slapped wrist.
(3) Fluctuating exchange rates. Example: All non eurozone countries need to report the FFPR figures in euros which could fluctuate due to the exchange rate, whereas a number of the UEFA figures are fixed amounts (e.g. the 5M euro acceptable deviation).
(4) Projected figures. Example: UEFA will allow clubs to show that they are moving in the right direction if they provide projected figures showing that the �break even� requirement will be met in the following season.
(5) Force majeure. Example: Any extraordinary events or situation arising that is beyond the club�s control will be taken in to account.
(6) Until then end of 2014/15 only - Ongoing reductions in wage costs. UEFA will be flexible over the �break even� requirement if a club can show that their wage bill has been reducing and with the exclusion of wages of players signed before June 1, 2010 they would have met the �break even� requirement. Example: An escape route for the likes of Chelsea prior to this season with Drogba, Anelka, Bosingwa, Kalou, Cech, Terry, Lampard etc. wages excluded from the calculations. A possible future escape route for the likes of Barcelona.
The Issues
There are a number of matters that UEFA still need to figure out and a number of concerns that certain clubs and certain national associations have. Off the top of my head:
(1) Loopholes: Whilst UEFA has done what it can to block any potential �loopholes� it is well aware that exclusion of wages for players signed before June 2010 is one it has introduced itself, and one that will be popular with the higher paying clubs as a short term escape route through to the summer of 2015. The matters of excessive sponsorship will be addressed via a cap to thwart the concerns over the likes of Manchester City abusing the rules. The cap has yet to be finalised but will require ratification.
(2) Soft Sponsorship: UEFA are concerned at the aggressive approach to obtaining sponsorship some clubs are taking. Questions are being asked about the ethics in clubs having airline travel partners, photocopier partners etc.. The Spanish clubs have raised this as a concern.
(3) National Sponsorship Variations: As we have seen tobacco sponsorship leave Formula 1 UEFA would like to see alcohol sponsorship out of football. We already have a situation where sponsorship by alcohol related businesses are forbidden in certain countries. Wealthy breweries are now focussing their sponsorship in other countries thereby creating a perceived imbalance in what income clubs are able to obtain in sponsorship. The French and Russian clubs have raised this as a concern.
(4) National Financial Distribution Variations: Concerns exist in countries where different models are used for distributing prize money, contributing to the grassroots game and distributing income from television and other media broadcasting. This led to an original request (rejected) from a number of clubs to restrict the FFPR to only the wealthiest of clubs, those with a turnover in excess of xM euros.
(5) National Taxation Variations: There is a considerable difference across UEFA nations in taxation, and this is seen to be reflected in the wages paid to players. The Spanish clubs have raised this as a concern.
(6) Third Party Ownership: Countries that allow third party ownership of players are seen to have a distinct advantage in being able to keep the costs of transfer fees low as they are only paying for a proportion of a player. The English clubs have raised this as a concern.
The Great Fear
Without going in to too much detail: (a) A number of clubs take the opportunity a once or twice a year to discuss various issues including changes in rules, television rights, the power of UEFA, exploitation issues for new technology streams, etc.. These discussions, the last of which were in late August, also always turn to the possibility and structure of a breakaway pan European league. Several are ex-G14 clubs, several are not, and some clubs decline involvement in such discussions. (b) The plan is that at some point a number of clubs would break away from their national leagues and UEFA. They accept that they would be banned from all existing club competition and the players would initially be banned from all FIFA competitions as well, but know that FIFA would be looking to negotiate in any case. It would be the end of UEFA in all probability and UEFA are very aware of this. It would also result in a restructuring of many of the national leagues. (c) The clubs would renegotiate their television rights, rights of distribution via other streams etc.. (d) It remains the greatest fear of UEFA and all major national authorities that one day this will happen.


3.) So in short are we likely to get a europe place through this?


4.) Financial Fair play rules and qualifying for Europa league through the Fair Play rules are completely different subjects.

This is what have found in relation to a premier league team gaining a Europa league place under the fair play rules

The three highest placed national associations in the UEFA Respect Fair Play ranking will each automatically gain an extra qualification berth for the First Qualifying Round, providing they have exceeded the threshold of games played, and have a minimum average score of 8. 0. These berths are then allocated to the highest placed club in that association's own Fair Play league that has not yet qualified for either the UEFA Champions League or the UEFA Europa League.


5.) Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool are top 3 at the moment, but if they get champions league places then we may qualify as we are 5th behind Fulham


6.) We are above fulham now, Basically we have to beat liverpool in fair play points in these last 5 games and hope English ranking moves to 3rd from 4th in the the Nations rankings which is said to be likely to happen


 

 

 

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28 Jan 2015 16:44:54
Hope it's Under Armour especially if we use their spider logo I saw in the US last year.

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25 Jan 2015 20:47:53
If the summer taught us anything it's don't believe it's true till that Daily Mail gob*hite Neil Ashton says it is.

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28 Aug 2014 14:49:43
Isn't that what we did to Lovren? Personally I want Townsend to say something along the lines of 'how I was moved to tears when I visited the Sea City museum when the I came to town last December. I have always dreamed of playing in red and white ever since I was a lad growing up in Leytonston. My head is defiantly already in Southampton and if Levy doesn't let me go I will never ever ever play for Tottenham again.'

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14 Aug 2014 16:40:08
On the bright side it's players like Long who have often made a 1-0 saints victory turn into 93 minute 2-1 defeat. So welcome aboard the good ship Southampton FC.

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11 Aug 2014 10:37:00
The Daily Heil won't like that kind of thing one bit. I just hope he gets on better than his compatriots Adrian Mutu and Razvan Rat.

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Didn't someone post on here recently that Guly is in the pocket of NC? Also what does everyone think will happen regarding Luke Shaw if the "special one" returns to Chelsea?

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