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11 Mar 2018 23:58:19
There are so many posts on here bemoaning the selling of our 'best' players and replacing them with 'rubbish' . but players like Mane, Pelle were players we 'plucked out of the air'. Even Poch was someone that no one was watching as a manager. We have bought players from Bayern M, juventus, napoli who actually are great players, more established that some of our 'best players' were before we signed them.

What has happened is they have joined a team that has gone very backward in it's choice of manager. From great tacticians who could adjust the formation, spot shortcomings in opponents . to someone who . trying to being polite . seems to have absolutely no idea how to change / adjust formations / tactics based on the opponent and state of play.

I have no doubt (fingers crossed) that MP will be sacked in the next few days; if he is not i would like the hierarchy to explain why not. The club gave him the chance to manage in the PL and he simply ios not up to it. The PL is the best league in the world in terms of depth. MP could never understand how a team with 35% possession and two shots on goal could beat us . MP . welcome to the PL! or rather . goodbye.


1.) 12 Mar 2018 07:14:24
Absolutely spot on, players are doing what they are tol and have become totally disallusioned as a result of the clown tactics. When have we ever seen Bertrand give anything less than 100%?

2.) 12 Mar 2018 20:57:01
thank god!




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03 Apr 2018 16:53:34
Once again I have sat back and had a think/ read/ watch before writing.
It is quite obvious that very few, if any, of the players have ever been involved in a regulation scrap.

A lot of criticism has been aimed at Tadic for the whole season . and rightly so. He proved without doubt that he absolutely no idea how to 'up his game'. He played the same as he has all season, like a prima donna. This was the game to fight for everything, to chase everything, to play positive. He did none of that! Redmond stuttered, spluttered, the odd decent ball . but quite clear he also was unable to drive himself to a greater level of fight.
Some of the defending was almost amateur in tackling, distribution, positional play and reading of the game.
So now as others have said on various forums, this is time to play a team with fight, passion. a fire in their belly . and an absolute desire to NOT GET RELEGATED.
Yoshida has to come back in! Long has to play! Simms has to play! and after watching so many wasted dead ball situations against WHU, JWP has to play! both for his skills and his passion for this club!
Davis has to play!
CA up front . aggressive and passionate and can score. MG in behind CA .
Betrand and Cedric are just not themselves. Their lack of cover is blunting any attacking option they used to provide. Get Simms and Long on the wings and you know they will get much more support.
As for the midfield . JWP Davis Romeu . three work horses without the skill of Lemina . but it is not skill we need there, it's composure, distribution, defence and fight!


1.) 03 Apr 2018 18:14:32
Hi rich
You are absolutely right there is no leeway we have 8 games and we have to compete in all of them. I think that too many of these players want out in the summer and are not in the least interested in whether Sfc stay up or not. I am totally amazed at their attitude because most of the usual suspects who want away will be regarded as luxuries and the modern premiership game is based on competing and no team can afford to carry players who may or may not turn up for that game! None of us care if we play ugly we need performances and results, let's hope all the players finally realise this. I am just disappointed that it is taken this long for the penny to drop. I totally agree that should we survive we need to have a real cull of the deadwood and if we are relegated this will be forced on Sfc. I hope that we survive and move forward.
Regards vs.

2.) 03 Apr 2018 19:14:29
McCarthy Soares Yoshida Stephens Bertrand with a 3 man midfield of Romeu Davis protecting and jwp in a more advanced role, Sims and long playing off Charlie Austin. Use Boufal/ Hojbjerg/ Lemina/ Gabbiadini/ McQueen from the bench and we’ve got a chance to reach 34/ 35 points. Persist with Tadic Redmond and especially Carrillo and we will get 31 points! Time for men not over paid premadonnas.

3.) 03 Apr 2018 23:12:38
Absolutely spot on .
Every player you mention will fight for every ball, chase every ball .
We no longer have time for dancing prima donnas . one trick ponies .
and any messing around on the ball!

4.) 04 Apr 2018 18:49:17
Makes you wonder why we knew the answers and the management team who were being paid megabucks didn't, I am not saying that about MH just the previous brigade. I remember the relegation battles of many seasons ago, not pretty but the players gave everything. Those days have sadly gone forever. Bournemouth being the top team on the South Coast just about sums it up who would ever have thought that.

5.) 05 Apr 2018 09:30:13
Bournemouth fight for everything and they have a manager who reacts to going behind by making significant changes to the shape of the team. They must have clawed at least 12 points this season from losing positions, commendable spirit and management.

6.) 05 Apr 2018 16:16:25
I am pretty sure we could have got Eddie Howe a while ago if we had really tried. Might have brought a couple of their excellent players with him. There you go, that’s history.

7.) 05 Apr 2018 19:51:12
I have two thoughts on this. Firstly, on the passion point, I’m not sure ‘passion’ alone wins you football matches and I’m also not entirely convinced that our last two league performances are a result of our side lacking passion. Its more to do with confidence and mental strength. As fans we’re very quick to blame underperformance on players being paid too much and not really caring about the club. Whilst in some cases that may be true, I do not believe it’s the case with the majority, if any, of our squad. Before we start pointing the finger at the players for not caring enough, we should perhaps allow for mitigating factors like pressure, youth, form, coaching and very low confidence given the season they’ve had so far. There are also a number of players still learning to play with one another with different roles in different formations. All whilst staring relegation in the face and entering each game knowing we must try to win/ not lose and any mistake in this league could be punished.

Further, given our league position, competence or hard work is not enough; an end result is required. So whilst the knee-jerk reaction is to look at someone like Shane Long to come on and run around tirelessly and kick the opposition a lot, his scoring record is abysmal and he has missed some clutch chances this season. We don’t need someone else who will choke in front of goal when a chance comes his way. Nor is he a winger. Shane Long is not a creator of chances. He is not going to beat his man often and pick out our striker in the box with a pinpoint cross.

This leads me on to my second thought about the comments on this thread. We will of course debate formations and starting personnel as is usual when the team is struggling, but the single biggest determining factor on our season now will be luck. As things stand, our fate is not in our hands. We are in the relegation zone and reliant on two other teams performing worse than us over the remainder of the season. That will require luck. At the same time, we will need to accrue as many points as we possibly can over the final 7 games which will require luck in players finding form and confidence, MH finding the right formation and personnel, no more injuries to our key players, ref’s making calls in our favour when we need them to, and even certain teams perhaps underperforming and missing opportunities to beat us if we offer them.

That may sound a little pessimistic but it isn’t meant to be. Its one of the reasons why we love football so much and we should keep that in mind as we follow the team on this run in. If we are to stay up, we’ll need to have the rub of the green or in the very least hope our luck is better than someone else’s (x2). There are so many little things that decide a football match, we can either choose to examine these and debate each one, or cross our fingers and roar on the team every game with the hope that in the end, the luck ways more heavily in our favour.

8.) 06 Apr 2018 09:15:58
Not sure who disagreed Figo but I think that is the best piece you have ever written which more or less is a true reflection of just about everything that has happened or not happened this season. It is very easy to blame the players but let’s face it, it goes much deeper than that. These players are talented and can do so much better but unfortunately their confidence IN THEMSELVES is rock bottom. When you start doubting your own ability it can have a devastating effect not just in football but more or less anything in life.

The running of SFC is flawed from the top downwards which is scary. If we do and hopefully we will, get the luck you describe and survive do you think it will change anything at the club. I doubt it considering that the main culprits for the demise of the club more or less employ themselves with nobody above them to sack them. The only weapon we have to change things as supporters is to protest but I’m afraid they won’t listen. So Saints get lucky starting this weekend, it’s overdue for sure.

9.) 06 Apr 2018 09:19:54
it's not often I disagree with you Figo but this time I do :-) I / we were not implying that we field a team of passionate players that are devoid of skill. More that we field players that have plenty of skill AND passion. Tadic plays the same regardless of the opposition! the only time he shows any emotion is when he feels he has been fouled and does that pathetic hand posturing to the ref! rarely tackles, rarely chases back. So he negates any positive effect Bertrand or Soares has in that they are reluctant to go forward. Redmond and Boufal are the same. the days when our wing backs and left midfield/ wing worked beautifully together are long gone. We have three players that just don't work well with the wingbacks.

As for needing luck, needing refs decisions going our way, opposition under performing . yes they all might help. But our fate is in our hands if we perform as we know we can. And players on the pitch that have a desire to fight for every ball.
No long is not a winger or great scorer but he opens up games and the opposition become much more cautious in their open play, knowing that he is prowling around, chasing them down.

Let's hope he makes the changes he said he would make. I would bring back Yoshida, he was playing his best football since at Saints, scoring goals too . and has played lots with JS.

10.) 06 Apr 2018 14:34:33
I understand that South Hants Rich, but my point is that its not passion this side lacks. Or arguably, skill. They haven’t shown much of late but as I say, that’s a result of low confidence rather than passion. If Tadic is not playing well (which he isn’t), its not because he’s not passionate enough. Its because he’s out of nick and his confidence is shot. Much like with Fraser Forster, Bertrand, Hoedt, Cedric, Lemina, Romeu, Redmond, Boufal, Gabbi, Carrill and even Long. It’s a lengthy list and I’m not sure anyone can claim all of them lack passion, but its clear they’re all low on confidence and self-belief. I’m not sure however that there is a second string of players who will come in and turn the season round.

Getting the team to play as well as it can is a big job for MH in light of his failure to achieve that very thing at Stoke where he knew the players much better. In order to play as well as we can, the players need to regain confidence and form, which will be part coaching judgment by MH and part luck in finding the solution quickly enough to turn the ship around.

Whether its an uncomfortable admission or not, the team that plays the best or with the most passion is not always the team that wins. Sport is not so black and white. If the opposition we face is at their best as well, every match will be difficult to win. Tightly contested matches can be decided by the finest margins and that may be a choice made by a player or referee. Large errors can go unpunished if luck is on your side, or small ones can lead to a goal against that seems harsh.

Mathematically, we have enough points available to finish higher than Palace and Huddersfield (Goal Difference permitting), but its unrealistic to think our fate is in our own hands when football matches and final league position is determined by so many factors above and beyond passion and skill.

11.) 08 Apr 2018 11:51:31
Bit late to this, but just reading through and I can't ignore Chris. "makes me wonder why we knew the answers and they didn't" (or something to that effect) .

Chris, please give some justification for this. Are you honestly so deluded as to think that we, as fans, knew all the answers? What possible evidence can you give for that, because from where I'm standing we know none of them. We've bickered amongst ourselves and booed the team at every opportunity; engineered the sacking of Puel; made self-righteous claims a year later about how he should never have been fired; turned on his replacement extremely quickly. I really could go on.

Even if you want to ignore all of these negative things we fans have contributed to, how can you say we knew the answers? Just because we sit on here and say what we think should be done doesn't mean we're right. Just because the board do something different and it doesn't work doesn't mean that what we wanted would have worked.

I don't know if I've misunderstood what you're saying but if I haven't then that statement is arrogant to the point of delusion and stupidity. If we fans were in charge we would be in West Brom's position right now. God that has made me angry. Right, rant over. Let's beat those damn Gunners.

12.) 08 Apr 2018 16:57:56
If I understand the original point correctly, I must say I agree. Losing is one thing but in the past two league matches there has been a complete lack of fight. You don’t need skill or confidence to work hard. That said, and to agree with Figo, hard work alone or passion does not win you matches, however it is a bare minimum us paying fans can expect. Don’t get me wrong, I have never booed myself at a match, but I can appreciate why some do.

Regarding long, Even had he not scored today, he gave it his absolute all and at times looked like he was forcing mistakes through being a nusience. We have to give him credit for that, don’t we? Perhaps Carrillo and Gabbi could get more goals, however they are hardly on fire themselves. I guess this is the reason we all love the game, because so many arguments and point of view.

I have to say, although we lost, I feel so much better than at the end of the last few games.

For some reason, I still look at the table and think we can do this.



14 Mar 2018 00:08:34
Can I ask Ed who you think we should go for as the new manager?

us armchair supporters don't have the insight you clearly do .

thank god you also agree with our doubts over Hughes .


{Ed001's Note - it depends on what you are looking for. Do you just want someone to save you right now or someone for the long term? If it is long term then I would suggest someone like Gasperini, who has Atalanta competitive in European football on a comparatively small budget. He is available and is happy to utilise youth academy products and look for bargains in the transfer market that can be sold on later. He would be my suggestion.}

1.) 14 Mar 2018 15:41:27
Didn't know about Gasperini, so just had a read on ESDF Analysis .
which incidentally I had never heard of anyway. Talk about detailed analysis of a manager and team setup/ structure/ tactics.
Now I know exactly why you mention Gasperini!
thank you Ed for your reply.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate.}



20 Jan 2018 17:05:25
Officially in the bottom three!


1.) 20 Jan 2018 17:28:10
And we will be there all week 😕.

2.) 20 Jan 2018 17:53:39
Emphatic win tomorrow! let's pay em back for boxing day and start digging out of this hole! Come on you saints!




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20 Mar 2018 18:14:42
I was thinking about what Mark H might say to the players before the West Ham United game . and in all honesty I think he will simply say 'GO WIN IT' .
he will totally instill the WE MUST WIN THIS GAME mentality . and I think the players will respond accordingly.

I also think there isn't a better time to play Chelsea in the PL and cup . and likewise Arsenal . both teams very hit n'miss . and if the passion showed by the whole team against Wigan is repeated . I am positive we could get something out of both these games.





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12 Mar 2018 20:57:01
thank god!




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04 Mar 2018 16:57:17
Very good post, could not agree more with all of it.

With regards to Bertrand and Cedric, I am not really sure what is going on. They aren't any where near as positive as before, whether that is concern about Tadic/ Redmond covering them, I just don't know. There crossing has not been as good, but then who are they supposed to cross to? If you ever wanted confirmation that bertrand's heart is with southampton, look at his reaction when Gabbi equalised.

With regards to Romeu/ Hojberg . Absolutely right. hojberg was immense, almost running the show, showing exactly why he was at Bayern Munich . and then gets dropped for Romeu, who has been slow and not so incisive this season - I do wonder if that is because now Lamina has arrived and Hojberg is (was! ) on fire, that we have something to compare him with. For sure he should not start over Hojberg.

And then we come on to Tadic . nothing to say .

My team would be :

Cedric Hoedt Stevens Bertrand
Ward-Prowse Hojberg Lemina Simms




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04 Jan 2018 19:30:15
Like you Figo, I haved not posted for a while. I have watched, I have listened, I have inwardly digested what is going on.
The VVD situation being the reason for the current situation?
this is a copy of my Facebook posting today .

The signs of a good manager include, changing formations to win a game, changing formations when losing, changing game play at any time through the game FOR THE BENEFIT of the team, holding onto a winning position, adjust the team/ formation to counteract any changes the opposition may make, making the right substitutions, making substitutions at the right time, motivating your team . score out of 8 . a big fat ZERO!

They can dress this any way they like, they can blame anything . but as Roy H has proved with Crystal Palace and Big Sam at Everton, a good manager is absolutely crucial to not only how to play in the PL but survival too.

We are in absolute free fall, we are destined to be relegated if nothing changes. Do I now believe MP can change things round, absolutely NOT.

look at the Palace game, we were comfortable, moving the ball around, we scored. What did Roy do? change the formation, the players, the game plan . and aided by playing for a draw!

Will signings change anything .

i am firmly of the belief that we have fallen behind in the average quality of our players. While Lemina, Hoedt and gabbs have been good signings - to that I can now add Hojbjerg, he has been awesome! and playing like a captain, running the show.

MP relies almost exclusively on Tadic and Redmond being the providers to the attack, they are quite simply not good enough. I believe the quality of defenders in the PL has moved forward and are now too agile, quick and intelligent for these two.

I would like to add, JWP has definitely upped his game!

in summary, we have to change managers before its too late . it nearly is sadly.





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29 May 2018 17:02:37
i think you need to check out JWP's stats .
tackling is not one of his strengths . in fact he hardly ever tackles .




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12 May 2018 22:40:14
I never said the inclusion of Bednarek was 'an issue' . I said he went to a back three that included an untried player. Bednarek was excellent and of the three CB's made the least mistakes. Hoedt is a strange one, his passing can be perfection . but sometimes is either over hit or in the wrong direction . Yosh is an excellent tackler 18/ 20 times . but sadly the other 2 can be awful .




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12 May 2018 09:44:29
Dear Figo 2
He hasn't given them a license to attack more, he has changed the structure of the team to allow our wing backs to be just that, wing backs, instead of the odd rare sortie across the half way line.

As for the number of goals conceded. he changed to a three CB formation that included Bednarek who had never played a single PL game. So we have three CB's who have never played together! so it was going to take time and yes there were going to be mistakes. In previous posts you talked lack of confidence in the squad, need a manager who can inspire . well we got one!1 MH hasn't just fired them up, told them all how much he loves them. He has inspired a team of broken players, broken in spirit and confidence, into a 'band of men' who are fighting for the ball, fighting to win.

And yes he has been rather more technically astute that people would give him credit for, including me. The perfect example of that was when we played bournemouth and how we counteracted their wing backs, which played very high up. The clever interchange passing that looped over and bypassed the backs was clever. The positioning of redmond and tadic was very fluid, with one or both or neither playing a highline; you could tell Swansea didn't know what to do!
when Bednarek was injured against Swansea . even Gabbi didn't think he would come on! replacing a CB with a striker was a very brave move, but the team adjusted immediately.

As for Gabbi . watch that goal over and over again, while all the players were chasing the ball, gabbi was chasing the space. Adjusting his position and stance repeatedly, waiting for that one chance. he took it! he really is a great player.

that's all folks .

MH for President.




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08 May 2018 22:55:48
I wasn't a fan of MH as a manager but the emotion he showed at the end was REAL . and that from a manager of only a few weeks! the players clearly have the utmost respect for him, that was obvious from the reaction of the players. Thank you MH . I was wrong.




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22 Apr 2018 20:35:17
I was excited to see the team MH picked for the semi final .
What I never expected was to see was that none of the midfielders attempted to make any telling passes? no incisive passes, forward passes, over the top passes . well to be honest, absolutely no passes
that serviced the attack. It was bizarre to watch . even Lemina looked side wards and backwards .

Well Swansea got stuffed so at least something bright comes out of today.