Southampton Banter Archive June 19 2014

19 Jun 2014 21:23:57
Looks like roy is keeping the southampton players values down for liverpool.

19 Jun 2014 21:54:14
England were absolutely dreadful got no more than they deserved HODGSON was abysmal no Terry how England missed him no Shaw either and Rooney well i'm speechless.

19 Jun 2014 22:25:26
My thoughts exactly. England were awful. just awful. Roy hasn't got a clue and the team, in the main were an embarrassment.

Oh well. The better team won.

Back to the important stuff and who Saints are buying.

Did we just watch the same match? I thought we played some good football, bossed the match and were very unlucky to lose the game, we need to take our chances more and we need to improve defensively as we needed to deal with the goal kick better but was certainly not a bad performance

20 Jun 2014 10:07:15
same old england hodgson clueless
hope rooney gerrard and one or two others never play for england again
forestsaint

I think you are being overly critical, we went out losing to two very good sides. For the first time in a long while we played good looking attacking football. One or two players didn't perform to expectation but the expectation on Rooney's shoulders is clearly too much.

Roy maybe made a mistake with team selection, but when we lack certain key players like Walcott and Chamberlain who add a new dimension to our attack we are going to struggle. The lads played well with 2 good performances. Unfortunately a top class team (Italy) managed to pull off a win despite a real struggle, as did a player who's ability seemingly can't be matched for picking his spot.

Roy has gotten the team to play good football and with the young players continuing to develop he could well create a real force to be reckoned with in future. I'm not sure we should have expected such a great deal to be on the cards for us this world cup with a very tough group and some injury problems.

20 Jun 2014 20:11:19
so hodgson says he won't quit as the squad did well
so simple really the fa have got to sack him
worst performance for years
no doubt liverpool will find him a job the way he's looked after their players
forestsaint

20 Jun 2014 23:09:19
Hodgson camped in Southampton week after week and yet managed to ommit calling up Clyne and Jack Cork both of whom should have been in Brazil. Instead, no doubt because of Liverpudlian influence at the FA, he took Gerrard and Johnson both of whom were not up to the job, nor were Baines and Jagielka for that matter. Sick frankly, players should be called up on merit not because of where they come from.

We played a tractive football. but couldn't hardly get in the opponents box over 2 games. Class teams, well italy where absolutely terrible against Costa Rica and I wouldn't say Uruguay are that great either. We wasn't even playing attractive football it's just the fact that we wasn't defensive for once. He didn't even change the team for the second game when there was clearly changes that had to be made, that's my biggest criticism of him. Wayne or sturridge are ment to be our finishers, but they didn't make the most of there chances by a long shot. What was the point of taking all these new England players to Brazil so theycan sit and watch how terrible there team mates that they are ment to be learning from are and not be able to do nothing about it. The biggest joke is that it was the same team in the second game, not working and he didn't even change it the till about 10 mins before the end.

21 Jun 2014 11:49:08
well said st hank
i think hodgson should play all the others who have not played yet
their is noyhing to play for now also they might play better than the same old players who have not performed
but saying that no one should be surprised we are out so early
forestsaint

I agree hodgsons poor tactical nouse and lack of terry cost us

The difference was that Italy and Uruguay were both clinical and we weren't

No the difference was they were organised

I agree we lacked organisation in set pieces, but we created more then enough chances to win both games just didn't take them, some final balls weren't great either, but it was much better performance in those 2 games then all our matches combined in South Africa IMO

19 Jun 2014 11:24:30
just saying that if luke shaw does leave it wouldn't be the biggest lost as matt target has just sign a new contract. but on the other hand, if we lose lallana it would be a big problem. coyr

I feel we should hold on to shaw format least another year to develop him and hopefully he becomes worth more then if we do sell him next year then we can push target through and by then hopefully he will be a lot better and developed

Targett is still developing and would unlikely be ready just yet - at least a season away including some first team game time.

19 Jun 2014 13:02:13
I am sorry guys, But there's never a full back who could fecth more than 30 mill any time.

19 Jun 2014 14:57:27
Nice to see you on our site, Home_Fan. Never heard of Bale??

Before you comment about his position, remember he started as a LB-at Saints-and this is just what could happen with Luke, and he is more likely to get the opportunity to develop that possibility at Saints rather than Utd.-especially with Targett coming through.

I have noted the comments about Luke on the Utd. web site, and most show no knowledge of the player other than what they have seen on TV. I have yet to see one comment about what would be best for the player. IMHO a move to Utd. ahead of next season would be a serious mistake. Until LVG gets to grips with the internal politics this could be a very toxic environment for a lad of 19 and could seriously set his progress back. He does not need this and should be in no rush to take such a risk.

Most Utd. fans will think that it would enable him to buy a better car or apartment and would be surprised to hear the laughter from St.Marys in response. DYOR and you will see the reason.

In respect of Adam, I do see him leaving but probably to Spurs as I doubt LFC will pay the asking price. Unfortunately, I think he has burnt his bridges at St.Marys. Perhaps if he had not been Captain this would not be the case but I suspect if the right offer is made the Board will take account of this.

I don't think Lallana has burnt any of his bridges at St Mary's. There seems to be no real indication of him falling out with any members of playing, coaching or administrative staff at the club.

If the paper rumours are correct about him handing in a request to leave, that doesn't mean he will. Southampton have a contract until 2018 and if you remember what Liverpool did to Suarez last season, the board can force him to stay and still expect quality performances. Also nothing seems to really confirm his handing in of a transfer request, all we know is Reed won't let him go on anything that even vaguely resembles 'the cheap'.

Frankly with Lallana I can only see a move to Liverpool or a club already in the Champions League being on the cards. I don't think he would settle for Spurs.

19 Jun 2014 18:25:56
Of-course I have heard about Bale, But the season which took him to being sold Birmingham and then to Real Madrid, he wasn't a LB. he was an Attacking LW who scored goals for fun.

Luke Shaw might become one, But then its another gamble to play him there.

Nothing wrong with the player. But There is a limit for a LB value. Tell me a LB who was sold at 30 mill for any club?

19 Jun 2014 19:03:11
If someone believes, Spurs would offer that kinda money then I am sorry.
Daniel levy has just once in his lifetime bought a player above 20 mill and that's Soldado, Who was bigger and better at Valencia than Lallana.
He might offer half the amount and 2-3 flopped players on loan.

19 Jun 2014 19:48:17
Enjoy the match tonight Home_Fan, you have obviously started on the beer early, in readiness. "Birmingham"??

For an 18 year old, 19 next month, you pay for potential over the next 14 years. If you don't see the potential, you don't pay £30m, if you do, you pay up. Simples.

Anyway, can't see that it is too much of a concern to a Liverpool supporter-perhaps you should consider whether Sterling would be valued at similar? You would probably think so but argue that he is not a LB. Well, IMO that is not relevant, as LBs have a totally different role in the modern game compared to some years ago and will be valued accordingly.

Perhaps we can agree on Rickie coming on and scoring the winning goal in the dying minutes?

I think he played for spurs not Birmingham?

^ bale was pretty poor during his first season and spurs wanted to get rid of him, Birmingham offered something like 3.5 mil for him. Spurs decided to keep him, moved him forward and the rest is history. I think that's what home fan was getting at

Fabio coentrão went to real madrid for 30 million in 2011!

20 Jun 2014 09:32:30
Whether Spurs succeed in signing Adam, I don't know and I hope they don't but I am confident they will try hard to do so.

MP will have a hard job to get the Spurs squad to accept his training methods and I can see he would welcome Adam within the squad supporting his methods, and maybe as Captain, influencing the rest of the squad to buy in.

But then again, perhaps RK will discuss matters with Adam and the whole issue will cease to be an issue! It's going to be an interesting summer.

To be honest I personally think that Adam won't leave and I think Koeman will persuade him to stay. As in a interview with BBC Sport Adam Lallana said in the interview that he is looking forward to getting back and speaking to the new manager.
As for Luke Shaw I would personally take 30 million for him any day as although he is a great talent we could easily just bring in another quality left back and some other talent in other positions. What are your thoughts?

20 Jun 2014 12:41:13
Quite understand your thinking Dylan, but I don't think a move would be right for Luke. He is not the finished article yet and a wrong move could seriously et his development back-Bale certainly had a season after leaving Saints where he lost his way. A move to Utd. is not right for him IMO until they are rebuilt.

20 Jun 2014 14:38:46
Fabio conetrao was bought at lesst than 25 mill by Real Madrid. They would defo buy shaw at 30 or even higher.

20 Jun 2014 14:40:46
SaintSaintSaint

Spot on. that's exactly what I meant, He was offerd to Alex Mcleash then manager at Birmingham for 3.5 mill as he was a poor LB, But he had pace in abundance. Moved to LW and then the rest is history.

I had beers, So I could sleep well yesterday afte that shocking display.
But I don't come here drunk.

The only time levy has spent 20 million?? Lamela springs to mind. Spurs got lucky with bale but as st Martin has said it's about development. Had bale of stayed a season or two longer he may have hit the ground running. As for shaw I think 30 million with MT coming through is a great price of business.

As for lallana I have heard from within that he has pushed hard for a move and for me a little too hard.

20 Jun 2014 23:15:31
Gregg come on you have absolutely no evidence for what you say Lallana has not been quoted as asking for a transfer. On the other hand there is a BBC interview in which he states very plainly that he is looking forward to meeting the new manager, no hint of unhappiness whatever. The truth has probably more to do with a perceived intention from Kl that she intended the club to live within its means, and of course at this point its not tenable and was seen to be weakness on the part of the club, hence the frenzied speculation about our players.

This is a rumour site and not a provide evidence site. This info has come from the same person that told be Adkins would be gone within 6 weeks and went a month later, the same person that told me koeman would join when I placed a bet the day after poch went, the same person that told me moyes had an interview and the same person that told me about the clubs vision all of which is spot on. Lallana has said a lot of things. At no point has he said he doesn't want a move.

To be fair how do you expect him to provide evidence? A selfie with his source on the dodgy sitings page?