Southampton Banter Archive June 23 2013

 

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23 Jun 2013 18:08:23
Wanyama rejected Southampton because they low balled his wage offers. I am a celtic fan, and to let you know wanyama is only on 4k per week at celtic so the offer must have been really bad. I'd rather him go to Southampton than Cardiff but Malky Mackay is a better manager IMO so could develop him better, your manager can't even speak English lol. Best of luck for your season though I enjoy watching southhampton play and Artur boruc is a celtic god so good to see hi. Doing so well. Gandalf the green.

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Fair post but I would heavily argue that pochettino is a lot better than malkay. He was favourite for the Real Madrid job last season in March before Mourinho signed an extension for gods sake. And regarding Wanyama's wages i'm sure the stumbling point was agent fees as it is widely known we spent the least in the league last season (£600,000) while spending £33million in transfers, while Wanyama's agent seems very slimey with all of his quotes about using Arsenal as a stepping stone for United.

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Pochettino speaks more English than people think. Watch him in his interviews last season and he can understand what he is being asked, but how many times do foreign managers get lost in translation and slated by the press. So long as you can say pass, tackle, run and shoot you should be able to get a team playing in some order?

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Cant even speak english? Have you been living under a rock? He didn't speak english only to the press

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Well, my friend from Scotland do you REALLY believe Saints offered £4k/week? Why then are they reported to have made a very good offer to another player also being considered for the same position?

If you are going to feast on a diet of porkies, do mix some vegetables with them!

Think you will find the guy who tried to explain matters to you is pretty near the mark. VW is going to look a little silly when Arsenal complete the signing of Fellaini, isn't he!

I am old enough to remember when Saints did sign players who were just in it for the money. That will not happen any more.

Saint Martin

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Naingollan is quoted as saying the offer from Saints is 'great'. Either we don't rate Wanyama as highly, he's a greedy 'b' or Cortese told his agent where to stick his fee. Poch is renowned in Europe for developing youngsters and he can speak English but not well enough to use in public. Agree, a fair post though and worthy of a response. Good luck in the CL.

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I think Pochettino speaks much better English than he likes to let on to the media.

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You guys are being a bit unfair on the Celtic fan. He actually made a reasonable point only with slightly off information which is excusable for someone who doesn't support our club. The likely stumbling point is the agent being too greedy and so telling Wanyama the deal offered was bad. Pochettino is a good manager highly regarded internationally and I'm sure his English is fine and probably improving.

Good luck to you lot playing the SPL next year. Doesn't it get dull knowing you are pretty much a guarantee to win though? It kind of makes the CL your only competition worth watching until Rangers get back up doesn't it? (I wouldn't really know myself kind of wanted to know what it is like from a Celtic fan perspective?)

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Why are we being unfair on the Celtic fan? Sorry, anyone who believes Saints would offer a first team player around £4k/week is not in touch with reality. This is the biggest load of porkies since Walls started processing.
If such rubbish was fed to Cortese, I suspect it was a very short meeting.

Saint Martin

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But I think he could potentially be right about us offering below what he was willing to accept. Or rather, his agent wanted in a fee.

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Thanks Celtic fan. You seem genuine.

Think our wages will be decent but not ridiculous. He's put off by our wages because Cardiff offer more. Cardiff probably offering silly wages. Some clubs pay silly amounts and we won't do that.

But as mentioned by others Nainggolan said we offered him the most wages of any club (and he's been approached by Juve, Inter, AC etc) so we certainly aren't tight on wages.

RE managers. Poch can speak English fluently, he is just cautious not to be misconstrued in the media. He also has a track record for developing youth at Espanyol. Saints also have a great track record for giving youngsters a chance (second youngest starting XI in the prem last year). We're also slightly more established in the prem than Cardiff, so we could support him better. He'd also be playing along Schneiderlin who made lots of peoples prem team of the year last year, so he'd been in a strong position.

Sorry, essay over. I know you're just giving your honest opinion as a neutral, but stuff at Saints is good all round, I promise. He'd get paid a fair amount here, be part of a young squad, an ambitious manager and he'd really be valued. Hope he sees it that way too. Good luck with your season, hope you get what you deserve for Wanyama.

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Saint Martin you are being pretty rude to a fan giving his best wishes to Saints.

He never said Saints offered £4k/week. Some people really need to learn how to read.

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Basically Cetic fan if you think we offered him any less than 30k a week you are so so wrong we probably offered him more than that. Our top earners are on around 40-50k a week.

Like someone said it will be the agent unhappy with he fee he is offered for the deal and let's face it, they do very little

Hear is last summers agent fees in the Premiership

Arsenal £5, 580, 873
Aston Villa £2, 730, 539
Chelsea £6, 490, 382
Everton £3, 092, 891
Fulham £2, 581, 208
Liverpool £8, 600, 444
Man C £10, 537, 982
Man U £3, 681, 580
Newcastle £3, 485, 503
Norwich City £1, 248, 725
QPR £6, 818, 688
Reading £2, 167, 833
Southampton £646, 106
Stoke City £1, 717, 266
Sunderland £2, 173, 762
Swansea City £1, 100, 845
Spurs £6, 595, 905
WBA £1, 341, 301
West Ham United £4, 436, 992
Wigan Athletic £1, 974, 305

Considering we spent a lot ( 7th highest in the prem I think?) on players that sum is very very low.

This is probably also the reason why a lot of our deals never seem to be simple or get completed quickly. Because of the greedy agents. I'm happy Cortese isn't taken for a mug by these people {Ed003's Note - the figures from last summer if they are correct ? can't be arsed chasing that tbh, will be figures from the season you were in the Championship and comparing them to Prem clubs I'd have thought?? }

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Then how come Reading and West Ham paid over triple what Southampton paid while paying a lot less for signings Ed? No disrespect intended just thought it worth pointing out. (Not the poster of that list and I can't be bothered to check it either). {Ed001's Note - well West Ham are owned by people that have already nearly destroyed one club by overspending on agents etc, and managed by a man that is well known for, erm, how can we put it without risking being sued? His dealings with agents are, well known, shall we say. It is no surprise that they spent ludicrous amounts. Reading I would have to look into, as I am not sure, but they were under a new owner who has not skimped on spending in that respect. It is purely the lack of pulling power of the club itself that reined in their spending.}

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Didn't Reading's new owner take over at the end of the last season though. Plus I really thought we spent at least twice what they did in the Championship. But cheers for clearing it up Ed. Didn't know the Hammers owners were crooks.

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FYI a couple posts above. we spent 7th highest in Europe last summer, not just the prem.

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Sorry Ed you're wrong. It's simply a ratio of transfer fees to agent fees that is important, and Southampton is the best by a long, long way.

Having spent 7th most in Europe last summer and come up with such a considerably smaller agent fee balance is quite incredible. We were a prem club when this spending took place, as were Reading and West Ham. Just goes to show how little Cortese believes in paying agents over odds. {Ed001's Note - you are missing the point, the question is whether it is last summer, or the summer before. You are far from the best anyway, there are clubs that pretty much refuse to deal with agents.}

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Yes, some people really need to learn to read! You can see quite easily that Celtic supporters are quoting VW is on around £4k/wk at Celtic, and that he was offered basically the same by Saints. Suggest you broaden your reading and you might get a little more knowledge.
Perhaps it was the £85k/wk and £2m signing on fee (reported to be demanded) that was the real reason? Can't see any Celtic comments about that!

Anyway, it is very clear this player is not needed at St. Marys and it will be interesting to see where he ends up. Maybe his agent has not realised any other club interested in the guy would be bound to make a call to NC first to acquire some background and that may not help his case at all.

Saint Martin

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It's clearly summer 2012 Ed. That's why it's a premier league comparison. Think the figures are from Dec 2012.

Either way it's clear that Saints are one of the least charitable when it comes to agents.

Which clubs are you proposing are stricter and refuse to deal with agents? {Ed001's Note - how is it clear? They usually are at least a year in arrears the accounting figures, so it is difficult to be sure when these date from. I have no doubt Cortese is one of the most difficult for agents to deal with, he doesn't like to pay unless he has to. I was referring to a number of clubs, who have a strict policy of making the players pay agents fees out of their signing on bonus, and refuse to use them as facilitators themselves. They still have to pay a certain amount in fees to agents, but they will use them as little as they possibly can, such as Blackpool, off the top of my head. The reason I am doubtful that this is referring to last summer is simple, the amount paid to acquire Gaston would have exceeded that on its own, due to the complexities of the deal. I suppose it would depend on how the amounts were reported in accounts, they might not have been classed as agents' fees, I guess.}

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Where did he say the Saints offer was similar to £4k/week Saint Martin? You're making things up still.

First you said he flat out stated he said Saints offered £4k/week, which he didn't. Now you are saying that he said Saints offered near £4k/week. and he didn't say that either!

Embarrassing.

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Cheers Ed, interesting. Sorry for being harsh on you.

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Celtic fan here, and saint Martin I don't know what your beef is I said the offer must have been bad, if you had used your brain when I say it must have been a bad offer, think about it any player who signs for an English club for 12.5 million, will expect at least 60,000 quid a week and maybe Southampton did not offer him as much, remember he is 21. His agents a bit of a tool as I've heard, ever since Andrea pirlo said wanyama has the potential to become one of the best in Europe, all he has seen is cash signs. And thanks for those wishing us well in cl, we have just been drawn against the northern Irish champions in our first qualifier, would any of you agree that it is terrible celtic start in the same round as the Irish and welsh champions? We have to play 3 qualifiers now just to get to the groups, last year it was two but spl was cut to one cl place only. And boy who was on about the spl, yes mate I hate it, but I still follow celtic home and away week in week out you have to remember Scotland is a tiny country mate so like all small countries the league is rubbish, but we punch well above our weight and I'd like to see a team like arsenal or Manchester United get 50-60 thousand fans per week playing in the spl. Titles still matter though. If celtic were on premier league money I think we would compete for top 4 at least, plus we have billionaire shareholders they just don't invest much because they keep the club running debt free so invest wisely. I hate when English fans say celtic wouldn't even win the championship, we have the loudest fans In Britain sadly English league is lacking in creativeness and songs our fans we have about 200 celtic songs and the. We have the green brigade the ultras, I think we'd be a great addition to the epl, and would attract top players with the cash we offer, celtic get 2 million for winning the league and 2 million for tv money, you lot make at least 40 million from tv alone. We got to the last 16 will a squad assembled for 18 million quid, yet the press only bring out the negatives about celtic sadly. Sorry for the rant enjoying reading the comments though cheers Ganda
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Sorry Embarrassing, suggest you look at my posts again and get someone to read them out to you! I stated that Celtic supporters are claiming he is on £4k/week and Saints offered similar. (Gandalf the green, and others. )That is available for you to see, if you look. Now Celtic supporters suddenly say he is on £8k/wk and he was going to be offered £25k/wk. That is available for you to see as well. He is seemingly wanting £85k/wk and a big signing on fee, and now his agents are recommending to him he goes to Turkey to reduce his tax bill.
Other than that, my interest in education desert me.

Saint Martin

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Hi guys I posted the list, this was agent fees for last years prem teams released by the premier league in Nov 2012. fees are from October 2011-September 2012 so yes the Jan 2012 transfer window West ham, Reading and us were in Championship but It also includes main summer of 2012 transfer window where most deals were done

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You know what I find leaves a nasty taste in the mouth, and makes me a little more concerned about this situation than I would normally be?

This guy, at 21 has just been made captain of his countries national football team. This is a country where many kids live in poverty, are football mad and idolise their sportsmen. Yet, all they will be hearing about is a guy who seems to want to milk the sport for all he can, and then pay as little tax as he can arrange!

Now I realise a lot of these statements may be coming from his agents or representatives but what they say is his responsibility, so that does not excuse him at all.

Always used to think a national captain had to be able to demonstrate characteristics of being a good role model. Not seeing much of that here.

Saint Martin

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Saint Martin don't believe everything you read in a paper. The whole situation is cagey!

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Saint Martin, you need to stop judging people before you know anything about them. Wanyama is heavily involved with Charity in Kenya, and has praised Celtic for what they've recently done (Celtic built a food station in Kenya to feed poor street kids. and supplying a local school for enough food for a year) and in Kenya people have took Inspiration from Celtic roots (Celtic were formed in 1887 to feed to poor Irish Immigrants and children in Glasgow) and started there own team Kibera Celtic and any money they get they donate to charity. Without Wanyama none of this would've happened. The boy and his Brother (he plays for Inter Milan) Probably financially support there whole family, he will only do good with the money. And as for Celtic we probably spend more on Charity than in the Transfer window. But with English press they only ever print the bad things about Celtic.

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Cheers for the answer F the Green. I can imagine that would be a bit frustrating. In England we're quite lucky as most the leagues don't have sure things for the titles where as you lot have Celtic as a sure thing in the top flight and Rangers as a sure thing going to the top flight in as few years as is possible it seems.

I think it is a serious shame about Wanyama snubbing us for his own personal gain like this considering I'm not sure anyone will top our offer for you guys. May have to settle for £10million if he continues to reject us lot. Then again I don't know for sure I'm just speculating.

You lot should really keep a hold of Hooper though. not sure why he thinks the Premiership is the right place to go. He won't get picked for England regardless due to the silly selection process and won't get played at any of the 'big' clubs as frankly they have better options. If he left you guys he'd be actually making a mistake I think, even if it was for us because we have strikers who probably would be picked in front of him as well for the style they are able to play.

Anyway good luck next season winning the league again and with the real struggle in Europe. (Not entirely sure if that sounds harsh or not I don't intend it to and if it comes across as such I apologise).

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Suggest you read up on the Saints Foundation as well.

People get judged on what they say and do. Whilst I totally accept many of the comments have been made by "representatives" he is responsible for allowing that to happen. Additionally, he could easily have corrected the situation, but so far hasn't. I know I might be old fashioned but however old a guy is, if he is chosen to captain his country at sport he takes on certain responsibilities.

It's one thing for sites like this for us to banter things about, but when the national press are reporting similar "stories" then I believe he should to be a little more careful. He obviously has contact with his representatives, and the Kenyan press so it would not be difficult to correct. Rightly, or wrongly, you don't have to trawl the Internet too far to get a picture that the guy is being judged, and not favourably. If he does end up at Saints (and discussions still seem to be going on) he will certainly have a bit of work to mend bridges which would be all his own doing because Saints have not said a word about any chance of him joining. And those bridges would not just be with the supporters but with the players too, because he could easily play surrounded by other players who would currently attract a higher transfer fee than himself.

Saint Martin

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Yeah mate spl is boring plus police harassment to our fans on away days are terrible. Need a dozen police horses to walk us to stadium yet we never cause any of hassle. Wanyama defo won't be a celtic player, he'll be missed but we've got young rogic Aussie boy already an international will be playing at World Cup in 2014 so we've got the position covered. I know what you mean with hooper you must feel the frustration of lambert not playing for England yet duds like Danny wellbeck gets a game no problem. Hooper is a good player but, if he went to the right team he'd be brilliant one of very few English strikers who has played in the cl last season. Also well we are seeded all through qualifiers mate so well get to groups, also I doubt Southampton would have qualified from our champions league group last year, but actually having a loud support does help but English football is lacking in that : ( and yeah even if we finish 3rd in champions league groups, well get put into Europa league last 32. If yer lucky Southampton may play in cl before the sun explodes :) haha all the best mate, gandalf the green.

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Interesting bit of info about the roots of Celtic & the charitable connections, If he`s come from a poor background I would hope he`s contributing hugely, (The English press don't like us either, even our own local paper. )

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23 Jun 2013 17:21:42
I still believe we will sign Wanyama, he said himself he was on holiday until the 10th June, now it's saying he flew back to England for talks yesterday, something's not right with this? thoughts?

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I think his agent and the media are making things up as they go along.

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23 Jun 2013 16:41:05
the b*tch that football has become with the CL being the ugliest of them all. Good players are all to willing to accept ready made success at ready made clubs and achieve little more the spectacular levels of bench warming mediocrity (Buttner, Ox) all because they once nutmegged Messi. Nobody it seems want to put the hard yards in and achieve success at clubs that will soon replace the old guard.

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23 Jun 2013 11:20:20
VICTOR WANYAMA video on gaols, assists etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUfksZoDi40

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23 Jun 2013 13:37:34
Also seems the media's latest ploy is to insinuate that Southampton are putting in bids for players and having bid excepted only for the players to say they don't want to play for us!as There holding out for bigger clubs
When truth be known there's no bid in the first place?
Just bad journalism or agents just trying to bump up the profiles on there clients!
Thought.

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It's journalists trying to make our club small again because they want to protect their precious six. I doubt Osvaldo was really bid for considering the nature of his attitude and his age for such a high price.

Also think they have mis-read the comments of Nainggolan and have made it out to be Southampton are his last choice. They are incredibly harsh about twisting peoples words into these kinds of things. Southampton are almost definitely not his last choice. Think he'd prefer us to Portsmouth for example.

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23 Jun 2013 15:25:15
fellow saints fans we are just getting started with ambitious plans only got to prem last year so most big named players won't really won't to take the risk just like surgeons don't do risky operations unless they buy into the cause so we will be linked to a lot of players but a lot of players will also turn us down look at city when first got cash they were a bit more established and had no wage restrictions the big players still didn't come till they see it could work
on the other hand I like the fact we have restrictions in place because we get players who won't to play for us
and we still got players who if or when they get into the team can make a difference once they have confidence back mayuka, [fifa rate him highly], lee [scored a banging goal], j. rod[who will get better year in and out]schniedrelin[another with bags of pertential]

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23 Jun 2013 11:57:46
Something in the Wanyama rumour doesn't seem right I mean why would the player come all the way to southampton to talk terms over that would be sorted out with the agent before
Coming to southampton surely its pointless in him coming to southampton first, and the player and agent would of told southampton their terms and then the saints would of built a contract around the request of the palyer and agent, yhis wouldn't need to be done in person
I mean the contract has to be written out as well, so surely if the player was in southampton he would sign, because it be pointless him coming allt he way to southampton to do nothing surely if a fee ahs been agreed the saints would talk to him and his agent for a while before drawing up a contract?

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He's on holiday.

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The reports say it's the player's representatives who are unimpressed with the deal. Perhaps it's their fee that they're unimpressed with.

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I get wot you mean but I still think they
have a meet and negotiate but I have a good imagination

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Too much talk from the Celtic end and the player/agent about money.

Like a poor candidate for a job, I suspect these guys may have done their chances in during the "interview. "

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23 Jun 2013 09:57:34
News now sight has some depressing articles this morning regarding our target signings. Just sayin!

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Not really depressing just goes to show the papers haven't a clue who were going for and as they know we've got funds to spend we're linked with every 10 million plus player out there makes me laugh

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We could of desperately done with naingollan, he could play winger, but then again, I don't wqnt players who say " I could of played for juve last year "

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Stoch can play winger to I think

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23 Jun 2013 09:30:34
Now I'm getting worried wanayama and maybe nigglidon what does that mean for Morgan I mean that's our best area why would we try and get both unless Morgan's going? My god I hope I'm wrong

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Don't worry.

Southampton are officially Nainggolan's "last choice" and Wanyama has failed to agree terms with us.

Looks like both are falling through unfortunately.

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Personally, think we are being linked with players in positions we don't need to strengthen in

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Why have you assumed Saints are trying to sign both?
Think you will find they are looking to bring in one player, but that might mean entering discussions with several to keep options open, and avoid being taken for a ride by agents.

Saint Martin

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I'm also worried about Morgan going. Saints rarely let players release stories about being unhappy and JWP saying he wants more playing time could not be a coincidence. I really hope he stays. He's our best player.

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JWP and Davis are far better in advanced positions meaning we have 2 natural centre midfielders in Morgan and cork. If we play 40+ games in a season they are going to get burnt out, assuming they don't get injured. We need to add a strong centre mid to compete for those 2 places.

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23 Jun 2013 09:12:15
Wanyama has failed to reach personal terms with us according to daily record scotish paper
Think we should stick to players that really want to play for the club and steer clear of the primadonnas!

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It seems wanyama's agent is being greedy. if that's right, drop it and move on for someone else.

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