Southampton Banter Archive May 02 2015

 

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02 May 2015 23:32:13
We desperately need a bigger squad next season. I agree with the question marks over playing Alderweireld out of position, but Koeman wouldn't necessarily have to do that if we had stronger, more experienced options on the bench for that role aside from Steven Davis, who plays better in an advanced position anyway.

It's funny cause before Cork left we'd all say midfield was where we had depth, but now that's where we've really lost out. With the injuries and suspensions between Morgan, Vic, Toby and Davis we've not really commanded the midfield in a game probably since we played against Arsenal in January. That's made us far more open on the counter and led to many cheap goals. Likewise it hasn't allowed us to box a team in their half of the field anywhere near as much as we were doing in the first half of the season.

If Schneiderlin does go in the summer we need to replace him with two players in reality because the loss of Cork is still apparent too. Then we need to bring in a number of creative attacking options as well as another striker. As much as I like to hear Les Reed say we will look to our youth players to plug the gaps in our squad for next season, if we don't balance it with some experienced first team quality players we will continue to struggle. Koeman needs 3 strong options in all key positions, that being CB, Defensive Mid, Attacking Mid and Striker.

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03 May 2015 10:46:09
I couldn't agree more, if we are to make our vision of regular European football a reality then this needs to happen.

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02 May 2015 22:30:32
I would of liked to of seen those a academy players who will be fringe first team next year there this year. I believe next year will be real tough and Europe could actually prove to be a curse ( if we do make it) and could of done with a squad of first team players with first team experience. I still am worried about the transfer policy and could quite easily see 4 or 5 overrated, underperforming foreign (probably Dutch) players bought in keeping those academy players chances limited again. Which would be a real shame and I know I'm going to get craps for speculation and I hope I'm wrong

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02 May 2015 20:41:09
You should look where we are in the league . Who would have thought we would be where we are at the start of the season

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02 May 2015 19:59:52
It's sad our second half of the season has faltered a bit, the lack of goals and striking options has been the issue. I think we'll need a few signings so we can keep improving each season, I'd like any of:

Theo Walcott
Charlie Austin
James Wilson
Talisca
Rafa Silva
Jordy Classie
Fabian Delph
Sam Byram
Micah Richards
Fabian Schar
Alexsander Dragovic
Stefan De Vrij
Simon Kjaer
Jack Butland

and would love to see more of Gallagher, Seager, Isgrove, Read, McQueen, Stephens and Turnball!

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02 May 2015 17:08:36
Absolutely disgusted with the 2nd half of our Season. When we do play well we don't put our chances away and far too often we have benn far too easy to play against. Koeman is the right man but he does not have the right players. Swansea will overtake us and get Europe.

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02 May 2015 19:45:16
this obviously won't happen, I agree about the right players though, we have very little depth, shouldn't have got rid of Cork, it was a huge mistake, we shouldn't have to play a CB in CM, I think both Djuricic and Elia aren't permanant solutions which is why we only got them on loan, Koeman has done amazingly to put togther a squad doing this well after the summer we had, now this summer he can really build his team

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02 May 2015 21:18:31
Has Koeman done "amazingly" putting together this team? Of the four players he had to replace - and had a huge budget to do so - only Bertrand has been a real success. Alderweireld has done well, of course, but he's just a loan and won't be around next season. Tadic and Pelle (for around £20million combined) have been pretty poor replacements for Lallana and Lambert. I can't even begin to wrap my head around £12million for Shane Long, an all-round terrible footballer.

Throw in Gardos, who has hardly played, and I'd say the best part of £40million has been frittered away on some very average players. And that's without taking into account the underwhelming loan duo of Elia and Djuricic (Anyone remember the loan of Taider, which lasted all of one pre-season game? How amateurish was that?)

The reality is, Saints' best performers this season were inherited by the manager: Fonte, Schneiderlin, Wanyama, Clyne. And at least two of them won't be here after the summer.

As for building in the summer, Les Reed said this week that they won't be spending much to improve the squad depth in the off-season. He thinks the u21s can make up the numbers. I think they're kidding themselves.

The honeymoon period is well and truly over. Koeman's tactics have been predictable and one-dismensional over the second half of the season, and the squad has performed no better than a side around 12-14th. I've seen little since Christmas to suggest this is just a temporary blip. They peaked in November and have been declining ever since.

The big worry is that no-one seems to have been able to do anything to arrest this long drop off in form.

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02 May 2015 22:37:16
Have to agree with all of above, why why why was no striker loaned in in january, the signings have been poor pele had a good 6wks, tadic in my opinion is totally overated, elia and dju'who' awful, mane has showed glimpses and gives me some hope, long was bought as a panic as fans were getting restless and every man and his dog know he's not worth half that even steve bruce had a chuckle, look at swansea they lost there players who were more important to them than lovren/shaw/lallana were to us yet they still move on without spending what we have, the talk of u21s coming through, I don't think so, Reed is good enough but roko doesn't seem to fancy him apart from him I can't see any of them becoming a regular, i'd like to hope targets have been identified but i'd like, siggurdsson, benteke, richards, schmeical and austin for starters

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02 May 2015 23:07:58
Of the u21s, I think Reed can make the grade. He's never let the first team down. Ward-Prowse has gone nowhere this season and doesn't appear to be developing at all, which is a serious concern. Targett looks okay as back up left back.

Gallagher's been unlucky with injuries and I'd hope he and Seager can push on next season and become viable striking options, but I wouldn't be surprised if neither does.

I don't see many or any of the rest being good enough. Isgrove has had loans to League One and Championship sides now and made no impression at that level. Sinclair will probably be released. McQueen is too slow to be a winger.

Hesketh has good quality, but he's a long way behind, physically. One or two of the defenders - McCarthy, Wood - could come through, but it's a very difficult position to give kids top-level experience in.

But there's no Walcotts, Bales or Oxlade-Chamberlains on the horizon, I'm afraid. The next generation of Saints are going to be, at best, unspectacular squad players. There's nothing of note in the u18s either.

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03 May 2015 00:11:04
I agree with all of the above. Up till now our academy has been turning out good footballers year in year out and there's usually 3 or 4 that can slot in to the first team each year but I don't think that any of the present U21 squad will make the grade. The problem now is if Roko is being restricted on the amount of money he can spend in the summer and with possibly 3 of our best players leaving who does he bring in? I fear that we will end up with more over rated players who look good on paper but when it comes to a long hard EPL season they go missing. Re. Pelle, Tadic, Gardos, Long, Elia and Djuricic. None of them lived up to their hype and I fear that we will only get more of the same for next season. Of the players that left last year only one has been successfully replaced and that is Bertrand in for Shaw. If we qualify for European football it just makes the season longer and harder so we really need a bigger and better squad than we have at present or a lot of players will be falling by the wayside come October/November meaning that we will have no adequate cover in many positions.

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03 May 2015 01:41:05
We loose 5 starting players who were key to us last year, make that 6 with J Rod being out all season and to think you can even suggest that Koeman hasn't done a great job of rebuilding our team? Our season has fizzled out due to a lack of goals and I agree our front line really needs to be looked at for next season, at the half way point in the season we were 4th, which shows we have the ability to be up there, we made a mistake in January in not signing a striker, which we have paid for a bit now as our over reliance on Pelle scoring has started to show. We made another mistake in allowing Cork to leave, as he's been fantastic at Swansea and was great for us whenever he played this season. I disagree with comments about the under 21's, I think there's a fair few that have the potential to make it into our first team; Reed, Gallagher, Targett, Gape, Isgrove, Hesketh. list goes on, we had a poor game today but we've still had a fantastic season. It just feels disappointing because of the amazing start we had

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03 May 2015 20:10:46
I think it's a bit of a stretch to consider Callum Chambers either a starter or a key player. He was back up right back and has neither been replaced nor missed.

I agree, it was a strange decision to let Cork leave, considering how little money they got for him - he might as well have been kept on until the summer before leaving on a free. The prize money difference between a couple of places in the league probably covers what Swansea paid for him. Given that, at the start of the season, the club thought they needed Cork and Taider as part of their midfield pool, it was foolish to ship out both of them without a single replacement lined up.

They supposedly tried to sign Tonny Vilhena in the winter but didn't have any money left over from their summer trading to pay the fee - which is a pretty damning indictment of how they've peed away much of their money on an ill-equipped squad.

It has certainly been a good season, but the signs of the last four or five months are of a team going backwards, which doesn't auger well for another difficult off-season of player departures - especially after Les Reed spoke of filling the already thin squad with u21 players rather than going out and buying quality.

People are dreaming if they think the club can possibly progress with this approach.

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02 May 2015 17:04:45
So PADDYSKETCH1 are you still saying we will 'definately qualify for europe ' another shocking game, another reason to doubt rokos tactics, toby is not half the player he is when in midfield, we are stronger at back, fact, when tobys there, 1st goal came from yoshi fault same as spurs 2nd, so you start of by playing your strongest back 4 especially knowing sunderland will throw everything at us, Reed shouldve been sat.with Vic with mane right up alongside pele

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03 May 2015 07:48:18
Some so called fans are getting to be wingers and moaners and should be behind the team no matter what. Yes another disappointing result but hey look where we are. Have people forgotten where we were a few years back and the big turnaround at the present. We are healthier financially and have a good honest manager,team and future. Yes it would be fantastic to be amongst the so called top 4 but we are in the top 10 and the future looks rosy. We can't win all the games and we will have the ups and downs - it's called the real world. I have supported the Saints for nearly 55 years and I mean support them. There's a lot of so called supporters who come out of the dark cracks when the team are doing well and disappear when the bad times come. It's not the end of the season yet so no matter what happens get behind this team and club and show them your gratitude for another good season. COYR's If you don't appreciate this club slink off down the road and watch Division 2 football instead.

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03 May 2015 10:55:13
I agree with some of what you say dsj20v.
Don't play Toby in midfield as we need him to strengthen up the defence.
Reed would have been a much better option. (I said this after the spurs game)
JWP is still looking too lightweight and I would have liked to see Gallagher get at least 45 minutes up front.
More diving from Mane too
Swansea are catching us quick and fast.

Or are we maybe trying not to qualify for the Europa Dopa? Personally I don't think we are ready for Europe and will end up struggling next year with distraction rather than building and moving forward again.

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03 May 2015 12:01:19
Whose to say were that we can't be behind our team 110% and still have a moan, I been avid saints fan for 40yrs and my problem is i'm prob too passionate so straight aftet games like yesterday i'm fuming and to be honest ruined my sat afternoonearly eve even refusing to watch motd lol, but with saints why can everyone else see what mistakes have been made but the board/les reed cant, anyway ill always be behind saints no matter what just soooooo frustrating

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04 May 2015 16:35:23
Can't agree more dsj20v about passion and frustration when it comes to watching and supporting our team. I've played football at amateur level from the age of 15 to 34. I never won medals but got to play in no less than five semi-finals and experienced the heartbreak of losing them all. But I always remember the manager(s) saying that as long as you give and try your absolute best then that's all you can do. What I am trying to say that these players of ours are running their selves into the ground and on the day the other side are just too good sometimes irrespective of their position in the league., We all make mistakes and are human unfortunately the players on the field are in the limelight. Give them encouragement and get behind them especially when we play Aston Villa at home and be noisy for the whole 90 minutes. I still say we will qualify for Europe probably albeit with a little help from Arsenal. COYR's

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02 May 2015 16:54:53
Well. that was pants!

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02 May 2015 16:45:02
Can't wait for the season to end.Its just fizzled out. We need players who can shoot?

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02 May 2015 17:06:41
Need a quality midfielder to create chances not crap rejects from foreign teams

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02 May 2015 17:08:23
After one step forward last week, in term of the quality of the performance, it's two steps back again. That was appalling.

Aside from Mane, you'd struggle to name another Saints player today who was anything other than dire. Perhaps Wanyama, to be fair.

Another win for Swansea. Saints are heading for eighth. Just three wins in their last twelve matches - one point out of the last fifteen away from home, bizarrely against the only decent side they've played (Chelsea).

Is it too early to predict next season is going to be a struggle? Take Schneiderlin, Alderweireld and Clyne out of that team and it's lower half, at best. The second half of the season has been a sobering reality check. Champions League? You're having a laugh.

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02 May 2015 17:17:57
I'd have to agree after today's result. Take nothing away from the overall achievement in reaching a new points record and to probably get into the Europa League, but the way the season has petered out against teams we should have beaten with some ease is shocking. We don't have enough good quality attacking options and without that balance its led to more pressure on our defence, costing us with cheap goals.

If we don't add some experienced quality to the starting eleven we are going to face the same issues next year.

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