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09 Aug 2018 01:56:27
Banging on about his delivery.

At the end of the day if his ball delivery/ gameplay was delivering the desired affect we wouldn't even be having this conversation because he would already be at Liverpool/ Totenham ect. being that he hasn't been poached he's not the finished article and with time ticking on who knows if he will be.

Our fans identity of promoting youth needs a reality check too. People need to realise for the now the well has ran dry. Yeah we've got a few drabs of talent here and there but the days of gems/ future England players being churned have stopped. Any youth we bring through now will be rough diamonds and not raw talent.

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09 Aug 2018 07:23:33
Assume this is JWP. His delivery is top notch. As a player, he is in no way the finished article and is very frustrating, but his delivery is as good as anybody.

Why are we all suddenly turning on the guy in the last 2 days.?

09 Aug 2018 11:59:10
Not turning said all along I like the guy, obviously he's one of our own. Just that he's been with us for many years now and when you cut right to it where has his 'delivery' (the justfication for keeping him/ raising his price) ever got us? Honest question. I truly hope he stays at Southampton and becomes the player we all hope he will but sadly it doesn't look like it and IF it ever does a season later he will be gone. This is my point.

09 Aug 2018 13:45:17
Truly hope he stays. His game is improving all the time with limited pitch minutes.
He also shows passion when we need it. Something sometimes lacking by a lot of our players.

09 Aug 2018 14:52:32
What do you mean where has his delivery ever got us? It's got us better deliveries. Where did Mane's pace ever get us? Where did Le Tissier's genius ever get us? Nowhere, but that doesn't mean we may as well not have bothered with them.

And 'if he ever turns the corner he'll be gone a year later'. again, what on earth is your point? We may as well sell all of our players by the logic you've used here!

One of the more bizarre posts I've seen on here.

09 Aug 2018 16:45:43
So your saying his great delivery is what have us our great season last year? Point is, whatever skill you have it has to be effective. Manes pace and let tissiers genius would constantly get us 3 points, can you say the same for JWP?

09 Aug 2018 18:30:26
^ no but the free kick he scored and the assist he got in the 3-2 win vs WBA and the 2 assists he got in the 2-2 draw vs Watford probably kept us up.

09 Aug 2018 18:31:57
2 goals vs Watford *.

09 Aug 2018 18:58:41
I can't and didn't say either of those things.

08 Aug 2018 20:38:19
Just Posted this on Transfer Tavern, they suggested selling JWP for £10 Million and spending it on a striker Bas Dost - This was my reply!

Think Bas Dost would be cracking if he is for sale, he's been mentioned on Saints Rumours a few times. We don't need to sell JWP for £10 million though, better to sell Lamina for £30 million to West Ham - Spurs or Man City, ideally Man City and get Patrick Roberts as part x plus £20 million and spend that on Alcacer or Dosh, don't mind which.
If JWP can just click from open play, he is a future England Captain, Lallana took this long to get going but he has to step up this year, I think he will!

We don't want to loose James Ward-Prowse - Matt Targett - Sam McQueen or Sam Gallagher, all English, All raised at our academy and all "Our Future" just looked at who Wolves have bought this year, about 8 players, not one English player, they have to bring in a rule to make teams have say 8 of the 25 as English, otherwise we are going to loose our identity and not have a conduit for our home bred youngsters. Does anybody agree or am I a Space Monkey.?

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08 Aug 2018 22:39:44
I'd quite like the Premiership to adopt rules similar to the chinese super league which says that teams can use up to three foreign players in a match but can't use more foreign players than u21 domestic players, so if a team plays 1 u21 player they can only use one foreign player etc.

08 Aug 2018 23:09:15
Agree. Not sure about England captain but jwp is a saints captain. We need to keep the local lads. Our youth team. Our heart. Our whole bloody philosophy! Letting jwp and targett go would be beyond stupid.

08 Aug 2018 11:23:36
Every single matach JWP prowse plays in the commentators bang on about his world class delivery and how he is one (if not the best) to put the ball wherever he wants it. I swear these guys are given scripts rather than thinking for themselves, because if that's the case you'd think we would have seen a lot more goals come of it 🤔

Nonetheless, I like the boy and would definitely be sad to see him leave, especially if like everyone else says he comes good. For that reason 20m+ I could live with. Maybe whack it straight into the paco alacer deal to get him through the door and not lose a player to another similar team.

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08 Aug 2018 14:50:05
Goals aren't the only way to judge this. Watch the games; his delivery is as good as anyone's.

08 Aug 2018 15:15:03
His delivery is excellent but how does the manager find a place in the team for him? The only position I can see is attacking right side of the central midfield four. He’s not creative enough or productive at scoring to play the number 10 role either behind one or two strikers. He won’t displace Lemina/ hojberg/ Romeu/ Davis/ Armstrong in the engine room so I really do feel he is surplus to requirements but a fee of circa 20 million with sell on clause should be sought. A move might be what his career needs.

08 Aug 2018 19:33:16
Can put it bang on the penalty spot every time, if no one's gambling and getting on the end of it, it's hardly JWP's fault

For me, he's always looked best as a no.10, similar to Barkley or Sigurdsson, problem with that is that he doesn't have the pace or the skill of them to be able to beat defenders and he doesn't have the strength of someone like Goretzka to be able to shrug defenders off and keep the ball when under pressure. Technically he's brilliant but could do with a season getting kicked in the championship imo.

08 Aug 2018 07:41:24
From the sound of it, the most likely signings are now Welbeck or Alcacer, and probably on loan. I'd be happy with either on loan tbh, despite my reservations about signing them permanently.

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07 Aug 2018 18:51:53
Why don't we sign Patrick Roberts on loan for 😭 worth a punt.

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07 Aug 2018 15:22:55
Dream scenario?
Fraser forster to Chelsea to replace courtois (I literally meant DREAM scenario because I couldn't see it happening)
Another striker (anyone bar Danny ings from the vast amount of names we've been linked with)
And another cb with Stephens going on loan
Reality?
I think our business is done.

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07 Aug 2018 17:31:08
I think you might be right Milky. Apparently a couple of Turkish sides are looking at Forster. We really need either an experienced top notch CB to hold our defence together or someone who can score a hatful of goals so that we score more than we concede. Preferably both.

07 Aug 2018 17:59:48
Presumably, MH thinks Vestergaard is that top CB that will hold our defence together.

07 Aug 2018 19:51:07
Well I hope MH knows more than me but I don't think that he's the finished article by a long way.

07 Aug 2018 20:18:46
I think, as anticipated, we have seen the club trying hard to revert to the old model of buying talented young players to develop in our squad and sell on for a profit in a couple of seasons time. If we're lucky one or more of those players will develop quickly and have a very good season for us to help settle some of our anxiety.

The problem I see is that in the past, we have had a solid, experienced squad, comfortable playing in a certain way and capable of winning games to support the younger players coming in. We don't have the stability that was once there. Bear with me as a I rattle through this, but McCarthy has less than a season at number 1, Hoedt has one season as a starter, Stephens one season as an irregular starter, JV is making his debut, JB doesn't have a full season yet, Lemina has one patchy season, Hojberg has about one season under his belt, Armstrong is making his debut, Mo is making his debut and Gabbi has about one season under his belt given his lack of appearances last term. Our experience comes from Cedric, RB and CA. In our times of success, the balance has clearly been the other way round with experienced, settled players outnumbering those with potential.

We therefore must hope MH not only knows more about the players than us, but that he is coaching them well enough that the team plays as a collective, at least equal to the sum of its parts nd with enough consistency to avoid putting undue pressure on them.

07 Aug 2018 12:45:05
Was watching a pre season game agaisnt ajax and have to say am gutted we let someone with that amount of creativity in tadic go.

Judging by preseason I think if we improve than maybe mid table, if not could be another struggle. I base this on what I saw last season when I put a bet on us to go down. The odds were good then and I nearly made some nice cash.

Still think I'm right about the McCarthy thing. People lost there mind when I said he wasn't that good, give it 10 games into season and we're see. Mark Hughes as well I think he might be able to steady the ship but going forward I think we need a fresh/ progressive manager.

The actual reason why I wanted to post is why do we never go in for
or always get beaten to players by clubs who are similar us. Ben Gibson? I would have easily have taken him. Happened the same with Harry macquire year before. Other players like issa diop west ham, max Meyer (massive wages I know) these guys are going to be ones to watch. We did really well with Stuart Armstrong I'll give em that, everyone else not to sure.

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07 Aug 2018 13:44:36
Agree on MH - don't mind him short term but he's not the man to take us forward.

Re. McCarthy, I half agree with you. I agree that is a real possibility, but equally his performances at the end of last year earnt him first crack at the job.

07 Aug 2018 06:27:35
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 7th August 2018

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06 Aug 2018 17:11:45
Apparently 3 Daily Mirror "experts" are predicting Saints will be relegated!
Any thoughts?

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06 Aug 2018 18:03:50
After watching saturdays game I can understand that. Been following saints for 58 yrs and if the board can't see we are desperate for a striker then i'm crying because relegation battle here we come.

06 Aug 2018 18:27:57
My thoughts are as follows:
1. They're not experts. You're not an expert just because you like something and have an opinion on it.
2. If you consider their predictions educated guesses, not only would I question your level of education but also point out that these guesses come before a ball is kicked so they're based mainly on last season with perhaps some colour added by transfer activity and friendly results. I doubt these writers have seen every friendly performance of every team so only stand out friendly results will have registered with them.
3. Last season, most of them predicted Burnley would be relegated.
How'd that work out?

If anything Saint Pete, I feel its a form of abuse that I just had to look at the Mirror site and kill brain cells in order to reply.

06 Aug 2018 18:51:06
Well obviously we both bow to your superior knowledge, and fancy making you look at the Mirror site how shameless of us . Please forgive us for even being so stupid as to message anything when we have such informed bright and intelligent people as yourself to make our day go with a smile . gary stones 67 knows nothing about football, life or anything I guess.

06 Aug 2018 18:55:35
Please let's not start the board trashing again already gps.

Last time we demanded a striker, just any striker, we got Carillo out of desperation. We then slated the board for that too! Please, just leave them to go on trying to find the players they think can actually add something rather than trying to fix every problem in one window and ending up wasting more money.

06 Aug 2018 19:09:40
NO board thrashing my friend . Just wasn't impressed with mr Fidodasilva.

06 Aug 2018 19:18:43
Worst forwards I recall in pre-season were Le God and a certain R. Lambert.

Keep the faith.

06 Aug 2018 21:17:25
Hi guys,
I'm here in the states watching with interest the summer transfer dealings, I share your concerns at the lack of an incoming striker surprised at Gunn coming in with FF not moved on, unfortunately the financial impact of buying Boufal and Carillo still has not been resolved and therefore that restricts our transfer possibilities. I am surprised to see Davis still here, he has been a great servant to the club but his time is surely over.

I also read the mirror and their relegation predictions which also include Brighton and Bournemouth! so obviously an anti South bias do I think we will be relegated? no but mid table is probably as good as it gets, there were games last season where we were unlucky and others just plain sloppy and please we cannot play that awful pedestrian slow aimless style again, can we? Anyway fingers crossed coys regards vs.

06 Aug 2018 22:16:52
There is no need to be "Lightweight" we are in a better place than last year, Stuart Armstrong looks great - Mo Elyounoussi has just what we need.
Gunn looks to be a fantastic Goalkeeper so we have two top bananas, and we have some strong defenders.
We could really do with one quality striker Alcacer would cap off a great close season.

Its sad when certain Saints Fans get so "Gloomy Doomy" before we have had our first game, please try to enjoy yourselves.
We are not going to overhaul Man City - Liverpool - Man U - Chelsea - Spurs or Arsenal over all, but we will win a few games against them.
We are lucky, we have a good Management Board and if you think not, have a look at Newcastle!

We will finish 9th - 14th this year as a best guess, and that's okay!
We March On.!

06 Aug 2018 23:40:10
Great post Pete, agree with almost all of it.

gps - think you misinterpreted Figo a bit there in fairness. The way I read it he was being ironic and criticising hypotheticals/ the Mirror more than any individual.

06 Aug 2018 23:48:28
And a non football related fact - humans cannot predict the future. SO whatever anyone says -its just a guess.

07 Aug 2018 02:31:30
I'm sure the Saints fans here are educated enough to form their own opinions and not take words from other people just because they have a job title. Why not we just keep our knickers untwisted and have a bit of maturity when replying to and giving criticism eh?

07 Aug 2018 07:55:17
Much more fun if we all just go nuts and shoot from the hip isn't it Vick? ;)

07 Aug 2018 08:30:46
Ha - Just caught up with this thread. Sorry GPS if you took offence at my post. I was responding to Saint Pete's, not yours and as Saints123 pointed out, I was deriding Mirror "experts" and the Mirror, not Saint Pete. Saint Pete did the same by putting the word experts in ironic speech marks in his post. Any way, as some others have said, the point is these predictions are of little worth and often inaccurate. I do not think we're relegation candidates yet as I'm yet to see how we and other teams perform when the league matches get under way. We may all have concerns about the team, but let's not start talking relegation until we see how things are shaping up.

07 Aug 2018 20:21:42
Oh come on. " Daily Mirror " and " Experts " are hardly words that should be put together and they're probably basing their guesses on last season. It we were to get 20 plus points from our first 10 games the same 3 " Experts " would be predicting European football for us in 2019.

Review Of The Day 6th August 2018

06 Aug 2018 06:48:48
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 6th August 2018

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