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27 Jun 2014 06:41:06
twitter says that the Luke Shaw deal to United is close with him having a medical in the north west 'very soon' and a transfer fee has been agreed between the two clubs.

If the deal is anywhere between the £30-40 million mark with a good structure (less add ons, more guaranteed payments) then I say sell him for sure that's crazy money.

-TJ

1.) Good bit of business. Steady player with masses of potential, but seems to have got a bit ahead of himself recently.
Fingers crossed the funds will be reinvested to stable the ship, I'm hopefully optimistic now Koeman's on board though!


2.) Looks like £30 million, according to several reports. Probably paid over 2 years, which is typical. No indications of any clauses but they are likely as well.
Most transfer fees are constructed like this. paid over time (which is what "up front" means) with clauses as well.
No surprises. A fair fee.


3.) Newspapers were reporting Southampton turning down a £34million offer at the weekend and now we've apparently settled at £30million? Not that I claim to know anything about the true figures but my guess is the press have no idea so don't take their word as gospel.


4.) The £34 is prob worked out over international apperances, international goals eetc. 30 is more likely 20 -25 up front with some add ons and they pay the 25% to bournemouth


5.) The "up front" means a sum of money paid over a period of time, it does not mean one lump sum.

The differences in total amounts reported are another indication that fees are paid in a staggered manner.

Liverpool offered say £30 million over 2 years plus clauses. Saints demanded say £27 million over 18 months.


 

 

22 May 2014 17:28:22
Afternoon Eds, with Neil Lennon leaving Celtic this morning do you think it likely that a few players will leave the club this summer? More specifically the players I'm wondering about is Fraser Forster, Virgil Van Dijk and James Forrest. Finally do you know of any interest in these players from Premier league clubs (Southampton)?

-TJ

{Ed002's Note - You need the Celtic page. I don't know of interest from SFC.}


 

 

19 May 2014 13:56:40
Afternoon Eds. We've heard a lot lately about Man City's supposed English exodus (Lescott, Richards, Milner, Sinclair). I have a few questions about that if you'll indulge me. First, is this legitimate? Second, do you know of any interest for the four players, especially from Southampton? Third, where do you think Richards will end up? Thanks.

-TJ

{Ed002's Note - It is likely that the four players and Rodwell will leave. I am not aware of any Southampton interest at this time. Micah Richards will be looking for various options and I really don't have any feeling for where he will end up.}


1.) 19 May 2014 22:36:20
Who will they try and sign to get the 8 english trained players in a squad ed or will they just promote some players from their youth teams or bit of both? With them leaving I make that Hart the only one!

{Ed002's Note - The youth team players don't count. They cannot go over 17 non HG so they might need to look to some.}


2.) 20 May 2014 14:18:00
That's what I meant as they will only have 18 senior players that surely isn't enough for a whole season in PL and CL so either english trained will have to be signed or they will have to use some of there under 21/18 players. Are they interested in Shaw?


3.) Micah and Sinclair please! The rest are left for scrap.


 

 

16 May 2014 15:46:56
A friend of mine in the media has told me that Pierre Michel Lasogga of HBSC is likely to join the Premier League this summer. She says that she knows at least three clubs are interested in the player; Liverpool, Southampton and Newcastle. She also says Tottenham are monitoring him in case they don’t secure their preferred targets. It’s also widely known that Lasogga wants a move to the EPL and with only a year on his contract a move this window is very likely. I worked with her for a few years and I'd say she's quite accurate normally. We aren't the most likely to get his signature but hey, we've stolen players from under the noses of the big teams before.

-TJ

1.) TJ - Had to re-read your post as originally I thought why are we interested in someone who works for HSBC?


2.) Ha! Sorry, it's Hertha Berlin.
By the way I should say, no I’m not ITK. I just used to work in the media (in political reporting, not sport) and still have a few friends there who occasionally throw a piece of Southampton based news my way every once in a while.


3.) How much would be cost? Is he anygood


4.) He's thought to cost somewhere between £7-10 million. Though obviously if a bidding war starts then that could escalate.
In terms of his worth I'd say he's very good and has a lot of potential. He's 22, has scored 13 goals in 20 appearances in the Bundesliga and has a very good disciplinary record as well. He's in a similar mould to Lambert but his link up play does need a bit of work.


5.) Thanks. Is it just an interest at mo? What are his best attributes


6.) Hi Ed is this a possibility?

{Ed001's Note - I don't know sorry. I do know he is not a Hertha Berlin player though, just spent last season on loan to them from Hamburg. Considering his goal scoring record last season for Hertha, I would think it was highly unlikely Hamburg would sell him for as little as that, as they are certainly not shopping him around.}


7.) Ok thanks ED is it true that we're about to offer mp a new 6mill contract? I hope we sort it out soon in the next week and he stays with the players and we sign some decent ones Coyr

{Ed001's Note - as far as I am aware, there has been an open invite to Poch to begin negotiations for a while now. He just asked to get the season finished before he would sit down and discuss it. So I do expect him to be offered a new deal, yes.}


8.) Do we have an interest in caulker? Thanks

{Ed002's Note - I understand that Southampton will look to Caulker as an option to replace Dejan Lovren if he leaves.}


9.) Hi tj is it just an interest at the mo


10.) Sorry Ed001 you might have it a tad mixed up there. Lasoggas on loan at Hamburg from Berlin, not the other way around. He's played at Berlin since 2010. Ze Cooler, 2 weeks!


11.) Oh and Steve I think it is just an interest at the moment, I don't think anyone's bid yet, they're still waiting for his loan to HSV to finish after their relegation decider tomorrow. It's widely known he want's to leave for the EPL this season though, his mother (and agent) confirmed that much in an interview with Hamburger Morgenpost. I think it's just a matter of time before someone puts their cards down.

And his best attribute is probably his finishing. He is really good in front of goal and at getting in the right positions. Just the sort of thing we've been missing if you ask me.


12.) Hi ED surely lovren won't leave he hasn't been here long and he's class. Would we not be looking for another cb fir back up?

{Ed002's Note - If there is interest in Caulker it will be as a replacement for Lovran.}


13.) Or have we put an offer in for him tj?


14.) HI ed, surely lovren won't be off though I hope not anyway. Would we not sign him as back up? ED

{Ed002's Note - I have already answered this - don't waste my time by keeping on asking the same questions.}


15.) Sorry. Sort out mp out this week and keep adz and Luke and sign some quality players


 

 

13 May 2014 06:41:53
The Guardian are reporting that Southampton have rejected United's £27 million bid for Shaw.

But then again this is Jamie Jackson and he said a few weeks ago transfers and contracts were all but done. So god only knows who's whispering in his ear.

I do hope we have told them to go away though.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/12/rio-ferdinand-leaves-manchester-united-luke-shaw

-TJ

1.) The Daily Echo has gone and contradicted itse;f today as well.

Yesterday, Adam Leitch claimed in an 'exclusive' that Saints had tabled Poch an offer. And yet, today he claims that Poch never met with the club yesterday. Unless he's implying that Les Reed sent him a text, or snapchatted the contract to him - which I would find difficult to believe.


2.) Speculation. Saints owe £27m out to other clubs for Wanyama, osvaldo Etc so this is where they are getting this figure. We would be mugs to sell so cheap. I think he will leave but nothing less than £35m would do. Adam leaving would be devastating for the club. let's not be bullied by the so called big boys.


 

 

 

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18 Aug 2014 12:13:42
I saw this on another page and thought this could be kinda fun. Things we learned from the first game of the season;

1. Southampton's demise was greatly exaggerated.
2. James Ward-Prowse is probably Englands best up and coming midfielder.
3. Wanyama has figured out he isn't Pirlo.
4. Wanyama might actually be good.
5. We should probably started putting up missing posters for Ramirez.
6. Yoshida shouldn't be in the Premier League.
7. For all the pace players we have made (Ox, Walcott, Bale) we badly need one for ourselves.
8. Clyne should probably be a winger.
9. Never underestimate how much the Algerians love Taider.
10. Manchester United still suck.

Anyone got any more to add?

-TJ

1.) Haha this made me laugh


2.) Yoshida wasn't all that bad really, I mean he isn't top of the league standard but he doesn't deserve the stick. He is a talented lad and well worth being a squad member as an option.

Forster was my most disappointing because the goals were preventable had he committed himself, the first was particularly disappointing as he set himself in the area goalkeepers call "no man's land". I know he can play better and look forward to seeing it from him, but I think he needs a confidence boost.


3.) 18 Aug 2014 14:16:43
One more that being :- The board and the owner are not working for Harry ( The Hood ) Redknapp as suspected after all.


4.) 18 Aug 2014 17:40:26
I didn't think forster was that bad. Made sone good reflex saves. Was let down a bit by the defence


5.) 18 Aug 2014 18:36:56
Trying to figure out what game everyone watched. Forster couldn't do anything about the first goal, was placed right in the corner. Had he not come out to tighten the angle Stirling would have had an easier finish. The second was poor defending on from out midfield to allow Stirling of all players to get his head to the ball in the first place. Also Yoshida had a pretty solid game didn't really do a lot wrong defensively Clyne was our weakest allowing players to get round the back of him a few times, having said that he was our only threat coming from the right so can forgive him for that. Wanyama was deserving of MOTM as he was solid and could even pass a ball. I felt much more confident with Forster in net to Boruc. He is an absolute unit and looked to control his defenders well


6.) Yoshida is a decent bottom/mid prem cb (which is more than good enough to sit on our bench).

Forster done well but a lot of the stuff he did save was offside anyway the only thing he really needed to save (other than the goals) was sterlings shot. Couldn't do a lot about either goal, they were great finishes by sterling and sturridge (not a patch on clyne's though)

Another thing we learnt was Tadic really does make lallana look shi e


7.) Don't know what Saintphil's on about - Forster had a solid game. Blameless for both goals, looked calm and untroubled in the main.


8.) Lets be honest. Forster had no chance of stopping either goal.

Both were preventable, but that was down to defense and midfield. Clyne got caught out of position for the first and should have tracked Stirling, and Morgan should have won the header after Victors poor headed clearance.

Overal, a very positive performance. Saddened we didn't see Taider. Thought he was looking exceptionally sharp against Bayer, and he'll be a great addition. Victor was Immense, Tadic looked quality, JWP was very good, and thought Isgrove looked like a good option as an impact player.

As for Pelle, for goodness sake, can we please give the guy something to feed on?


9.) I was pleasantly surprised with Saints performance, and had Davis put his laces through the ball we would have got all three points, the worrying aspects for me is, where goals are likely to come from.
Though Tadic looked good at times and had Fonte pushed up the same time as Clyne, Sterling would have been offside, Fonte was caught napping in no mans land, when he should have kept Sterling in front of him.
I thought Yoshida did ok considering he was marking Sturridge.


 

 

28 Jul 2014 19:40:04
Look at the bright side, when J-Rod and Spider leave we won't have to worry about any more players leaving.

Wait, what do you mean that isn't a silver lining?

Jokes aside I'm joining the 'lets lynch the board' brigade. I'd decided to give this time to play out but it's gone exactly as I'd feared. Seriously, what are the board going to do to remedy this? It's not just that it's borderline impossible to match the outgoing quality with new signings/promotions, it's not that it probably won't even get that far, it's that in one season they've dismantled a squad we'd been building for years. A squad that, because of the nature of the journey we'd been on the club and its fans had built strong sentimental ties to. And now this. Even if we do well this season that'll just be down to Koeman and whoever's left. I cannot fathom the reasoning. Not that their is any, if their were special circumstances, then fine, sell the players. But don't say we don't need to sell and then do nothing but sell. The fact is no one for sure can answer why we've done this. Incompetency? Pending sale? Some grand master plan?

It takes a lot for me to lose faith, but consider my faith well and truly out the door. Of course I still support the team, of course I'll still go to matches as and when possible. For football I still love this team. But the rest I hold no but ill-will towards.

P. s. the J-Rod and Spider rumour is on the beeb, they don't get much wrong. When it's on there it tends to just be a matter of time.

-TJ

 

 

03 Jul 2014 23:23:33
Caulker looks like he is off to QPR. It's a shame as he could have really added something to our defence and their aren't many good English players about, of a good age and within our range at the moment. Ah well. Hope we sign at least one centre back and two if Lovren leaves. If we have a back two of Lovren, Fonte, Yoshida and another good player then we might have finally solved that issue.

-TJ

1.) They've agreed a fee, but I agree would be a big miss if we didn't go for him again, but I agree two quality CB's are needed if we lose Lovren


 

 

30 Jun 2014 01:40:01
Sorry guys but I just felt the need to post about this as I've seen it a few times on here lately and on other forums as well.

THE BOARD ARE NOT ASSET STRIPPING. People, if you don't have any knowledge about technical economic terms then please stop using them. I hate to sound like a snob on this but the term is being used incorrectly every single time in this context; 3 points to this effect.

1. Players are not assets. They are employees. When you pay another company (club) for a player you are not paying for ownership of that player, you are paying for the rights and services of that player, specifically football playing rights. Shock horror it is illegal for people and companies to own people. They are, under contract, employed to do a service by the club. Assets in the context of a football club are the things it owns; such as the St Mary's or Staplewood as obvious examples.

2. Everything the club has done to date (specifically post-Cortese) is the exact opposite of an asset strip; they have put significant investment into the club, investing in the infrastructure like Staplewood and improvements to St Mary's. If Les Reed's statement is true, that revenues from the sale of players will be put directly back into transfers and new contracts, then again the point is null.

3. In the context of a football club asset stripping is not just exceedingly difficult it is downright stupid. To sell the assets of Southampton individually (as is asset stripping) would not bring in as much as selling the club as a whole. The assets of the club are worth considerably less outside the context of football and a considerable amount of the value of a football club is its position (in the league structure) and the fact it is a football club. In fact if you were selling you'd want to keep hold of the players. If you are selling the club you want the club to be of maximum desirability to any potential buyer and a strong first team which requires little direct investment is much more desirable. Southampton also has almost all the infrastructure, to a high standard, already in place. The club as a whole is more then the sum of the individual parts which is why an asset strip of a football club is inherently illogical. This is why asset stripping in football clubs is very rare, especially at the top level, and only really occurs in clubs in the very worst of financial straits as a 'get out as quickly and cleanly as possible' strategy.

There is no Southampton conspiracy, the board are not trying to destroy this club for money in the bank. Perhaps Liebherr will sell at some point in the near future, but an asset strip, especially not in the context of its use here, will not precede it. The worry about the board is not malicious intentions; it's incompetency. This is an inexperienced boardroom, especially in football, and there are legitimate and valid questions about whether or not they suffer from naivety and ignorance and whether or not they are really fit for purpose. But we have to wait and see for the answer to those questions.

So for the love of god, if anyone uses the term 'asset strip' again in this context I'm going to have a brain bleed. Ta.

-TJ

1.) Whilst I agree with some of your post (and it was only me I think who mentioned the words Asset Stripping) I think you took it the wrong way.
I actually think the players are assets and are worth more individually than as a whole in the club.
Anyone looking to purchase the club will take into account an estimate of the players worth.
We have managed to get far over the price an auditor would value Shaw for had the club been up for sale.
I say they are assets in "" as the cash brought in from them will be used to clear debt and hit the bottom line of the clubs books until any signings are made.
A club clear from debt and making money is a far more of a prospect for potential buyers than one which they initially have to invest money into to clear debt (like ML did)
I didn't mean the academy/staplewood etc.
I agree the board are very new here but they have held firm on transfer fees out so far.
That said (and this is where it goes back to players being assets in "") if they sell the rest of our stars and don't invest correctly we will struggle this season, lose money on Sky payments if we are lower down the league and god forbid lose a lot of club worth if we were relegated.
The above I firmly don't believe will happen.
I hope all the cash received from players sales will be invested back into the club. Realistically can you see it though. I realise Les Reed did say that would happen but let's wait and see as he also said he would like Lallana to stay for at least another year.


2.) Oh don't get me wrong, this wasn't directed at any individual this was just a general rantgasm on my part. You spend enough time on Saintsweb and you'll go mad eventually. Most people on here, like yourself and montecristo seem to have a decent amount of knowledge, I just think you've taken the less likely conclusions then these sales otherwise indicate. Whilst I agree that if the players can be sold at an inflated fee, as is often the case with 'potential' sales, then they will accrue more revenue then the sale as a whole, but the bulk of players this does not apply to and the strength of the squad and the necessity for high levels of direct investment for any potential buyer will do more to lower their valuation then anything. Whilst a player sale, particularly the likes of Shaw, can be good for a quick necessary buck, the sale of the bulk of players prior to the sale of a club would not be particularly wise. And I think, if nothing else, Liebherr is business savvy and is aware of this.


3.) Cheers TK. I think this period of uncertainty is making us all jump to conclusions at the moment.
Time to wind the clock forward to the start of the season


 

 

17 Jun 2014 22:08:56
Evening guys, just watched the Brazil v Mexico game and my word is that Ochoa fellow good! Now I don't normally like to jump on the 'he-had-a-good-WC-game-so-sign-him-up' bandwagon, but I couldn't help notice; this guy is a free agent! We all know we need more depth in the goalkeeping position, surely there aren't many better keepers out there available at his level and money.

-TJ

1.) I've said it before on here, and I'll say it again. He's not a good fit for the Premier League. He can't control his box well enough and he's not great coming off his line. Brouc would win any competition between them easily. I've seen a lot more than one game from Ochoa--I watched a lot of Mexican football when he was coming through at America. He's doing well in Ligue 1, and I think that's the best fit for him.


2.) Agreed with Sotonic, although I would say Ochoa's reaction time is a little better than Boruc's he is not as good a player all round. Ochoa has many good games but has failed to be as consistent as he'd need to be in the Premier League, he is best suited to the league he is in.

(This is Happyman by the way)


 

 

 

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Aussie Saint, obviously not all of those players are going to come in/leave. These are just the ones where the interest is genuine or where offers/enquiries have been made. OP asked for info and I gave it, but as always with transfers nothing is a guarantee and obviously with goalkeepers if we sign one we won't go for the other. At the moment our interest seems to be leaning more to Forster. With defenders it's likely to be Van Dijk and one of the others not both and it depends on Rojo as to what position RK sees him in, CB or LB. Clasie may be dependant upon the sale of Schneiderlin, though that may just be speculation. This is all I know. Clarified?

-TJ

 

 

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I'll tell you everything I've heard;

In: Fraser Forster
David Marshall
Ron Vlaar
Virgil Van Dijk
Stefan De Vrij
Marcos Rojo
Jordy Clasie

Out: Calum Chambers (medical)
Dejan Lovren (medical)
Jose Fonte
Morgan Schneiderlin

That's all I've got. It isn't looking good at all. I'm still waiting till the end of the transfer window to cast my final opinion on the board, but as it's going it probably won't be good. We've sold of our English contingent, replaced with foreign players, sold off when we didn't need to and have shown a complete willingness (or ineptitude) to sell of both bright academy prospects as well as best players without much resistance.

On the bright side if we do stick to Reed's statement, that all transfer revenues will be reinvested, we'll be spending £100 million odd. Somehow I don't see it.

-TJ

 

 

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I've read multiple sources going on this one. Anywhere between £7 million at the lower end and £16 million at the higher end. This is just ridiculous now. Clyne's good and all, but we really don't need to sell Chambers and shouldn't. Spineless from the board, utterly spineless.

-TJ

 

 

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I'm pretty sure you mean 'Nothing *pause for dramatic effect* Roncrete' *thunderous applause*.

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I'd almost like this just on the virtue that he's an Englishman and there just aren't many good English managers about. Equally though, if we were hiring a young up and coming manager who's English I'd much rather we took a chance on Eddie Howe. He's been on the South Coast much longer and we already have strong links with Bournemouth. My personal favourites are still Koeman and Magath, but in the unlikely event the Frank De Boer rumours aren't all smoke with no fire, then he'd be my preferred candidate.

-TJ

 

 

 

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God I hope so, though Palace looks a lot more like the transfers go through the board, not the manager. Hopefully Corky has a good re-think now though.

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Mcqueen, Targett and Sinclair are probably the ones to watch out for. Sims and Hesketh might get the odd run out in the second half of the season. I expect Reed and Ward-Prowse to have a greater role this season as well. I agree with others, this is a big season for Ward-Prowse, it could be his genuine breakout year.

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Contrary to popular optimism it does matter who makes your kit. It also matter what it looks like. It's a point of prestige to have the best and biggest sponsors and so forth. It's indicative of our current situation, that not one reputable manufacturer was willing to take us on at late notice. This in itself is not a massive deal, but it's what it signifies, it's the big picture. The minor details of troubling times at Southampton build up and contribute to things like players leaving. We, more then ever, need to make a big marquee signing to buck the trend we're on.

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In terms of value for money (because in football free is never actually free) there probably isn't a better keeper available right now. I'd take him all day long, he is a similar keeper to Boruc, an adept shot stopper and remarkably inconsistent, only Ochoa has much better distribution, footwork and control. If we were able it'd definitely be worth it.

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Oh don't get me wrong, this wasn't directed at any individual this was just a general rantgasm on my part. You spend enough time on Saintsweb and you'll go mad eventually. Most people on here, like yourself and montecristo seem to have a decent amount of knowledge, I just think you've taken the less likely conclusions then these sales otherwise indicate. Whilst I agree that if the players can be sold at an inflated fee, as is often the case with 'potential' sales, then they will accrue more revenue then the sale as a whole, but the bulk of players this does not apply to and the strength of the squad and the necessity for high levels of direct investment for any potential buyer will do more to lower their valuation then anything. Whilst a player sale, particularly the likes of Shaw, can be good for a quick necessary buck, the sale of the bulk of players prior to the sale of a club would not be particularly wise. And I think, if nothing else, Liebherr is business savvy and is aware of this.

-TJ