Southampton Rumours Archive July 26 2014

 

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26 Jul 2014 18:23:09
On Calum Chambers, heard today from Pat Rice that the deal is done, he was asked to look at Calum at the last U19s England game and apparently it was between him and a guy from Olympiakos. he recommended Calum as his verdict was that he is better than Shaw as a complete player, especially interested in him becoming a CB for Arsenal. Pat knows a good player when he sees one. Don't understand why we are letting him go so early, he will be worth £25 million plus in 12-24 months time and we need him playing for Saints.

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27 Jul 2014 01:32:14
Something has been bothering me because rumour has it that most of the people calling for us to sign Forster have actually never seen him play. If true would you employ someone on top money if you didn't know what you are getting. I am not saying he is lousy keeper just wondered where all this knowledge is coming from.

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The club is letting him go because the player told Southampton he wanted to leave.
No point in keeping an unhappy player.

Fans have to grip this: the Board can't control what players want. They can't force players to sign and they can't order players to stay

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I think l'll put my trust in Dave Watson not anyone else. If he thinks he's good enough that's good enough for me.

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They can force players to stay, if they've signed a contact.
The problem is getting them to play well if they're heart's not in it!

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27 Jul 2014 08:56:39
how can a 19 tear old dictate to a club
telling the club he wants to leave and gets his wish more or less straight away
have this board got no balls at all
forestsaint

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Fatdave: the player did not say he wanted to leave, absolute rubbish!!

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I tell you why, £16m is a lot for a player when you have Clyne in the same position.

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27 Jul 2014 10:11:31
chambers did tell the club he wanted to leave fact
forestsaint

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Some fans are so deluded they think the board/owner are actually trying to do the best for the club which is absolute tosh! even if true then there best is not good enough!

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Talking about trusting someone, who did we trust when we signed Osvaldo? Doesn't always work out you know. Just seems loads of dough for an untried keeper in the Prem. He may be 3rd choice England keeper but do you know how many English keepers there are in the Premier League??

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Depth of squad?
what about injuries?
It's very rare fpr players to play every game, there will be times when we need to rest players and rotate the squad. We can't do this if we're selling, selling, selling and not replacing them.

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27 Jul 2014 10:59:52
St Tony you miss the point here. Calum Chambers is not merely a Right back he has the potential to be an influential central defender. And WHEN he plays for England it will be as a centre back. Arsenal and England under 19 recognise it why can't Southampton. Especially when the central defence is our Achilles heel. It is in this very area which will condemn us to a long hard winter in the bottom 6.

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Naive

saintben: As someone else confirmed, Chambers told the club he wanted to leave. Nonsense to believe otherwise.

Shaw told the club he wanted to leave over a year ago. Lovren wanted to leave blah blah etc

What is it with fans and naivety? This inability to understand that players don't see the club in the same way that fans do.

I warned on these ages that Shaw wanted out but fans repeatedly denied it over and over again. Until Shaw himself admitted it.

Players rarely ask for transfers nowadays; to avoid losing their loyalty bonus, they just indicate their desire to leave. Equally, tapping up doesn't really exist because agents do it all. When any club claims there has been no approach for a player from another club, what they aren't admitting is that the agents are negotiating with each party.

Equally, transfer fees are not paid in one lump sum like Football Manager. Chambers is being sold for 7 million, increasing to 16 million depending on clauses. The 7 million is being paid over 2 years; this is pretty much standard procedure.

Boards and managers can't stop players from wanting to leave. All they can do is maximise the price. New contracts are meaningless: it gives a player and agent extra money but fundamentally won't stop the player from asking to leave at a later date.

Boards also can't force players to sign. Its guaranteed that Southampton will be working hard to bring in new players but RK needs time and he needs time to assess the squad. The club is negotiating hard for Forster and I understand also for Vlaar and De Vries. I also keep hearing about links with Batshuayi.

Calm down

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Fatdave: yes you at naive!

Please tell me your sorce? I will happily put my hands up if I'm wrong. Waiting to hear from my mate who is a physio and told me about every player that has left.

He told me Lallana would def leave long before the World Cup. Chambers he has not said anything about and I don't believe he asked to leave. If wrong and my source says otherwise I will be the first to apologies! So where's your sorce?

Now let's assume he did ask to leave! Why the hell could we not say NO your not going end of story. He would of got over it soon enough. He will now have less playing time than he had with us.

Suarez was told by Liverpool he was going nowhere last season and that was that. He had his best ever season.

Selling chambers was a big mistake and now there at of the squad are naturally going to be considering their future.

Poch was told this would happen and that's why he left!

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I'm in agreement with Saint_ben here.
Fatdave for you to claim someone else as 'naive' and then in the same sentence state 'nonsense to believe otherwise' that is in FACT a naive way of viewing something (discounting other plausible answers/hypotheses/suggestions - call it what you want).
IMO - call it naive if you like, the talk of Chambers leaving is just too much for most Saints fans, since we've seen others leave and others being linked as leaving this transfer window (linked by strong reliable sources).
Our team/squad and vision is being ripped apart and it's us fans who are feeling the brunt

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Saintben: not sure you will ever see this because its already half way down the page.

I don't ever claim to have sources inside the club. My sources are outside the club involved in sporting finance.

I then balance this out will other reporting and informed judgement.
Consequently, (and I wasn't the only one) I predicted that Saints faced a meltdown this summer.
Shaw wanted out over a year ago.
Lovren wanted out.
Lallana wanted out but was uncertain over timelines
Schneiderlin wanted out.
I knew that MoPo was considering his future - but I was wrong in assessing he would stay.

Every time, anyone ever tried to say that players would leave, fans would shoot them down in flames. At times, I wish the Editors would repost some of the denials. "Shaw won't leave, he loves the club, signed a new contract" blah blah. aaaannd he's gone.

I will repeat (fact, as people are prone to say), Shaw was unhappy over a year ago and wanted to leave.

Now for Chambers: Spurs made an enquiry about a month ago. Chambers was interested but Spurs never followed this up. The news that Chambers was interested in a move was conveyed by his agent to other clubs, including Arsenal.

Arsenal have been looking at a full back from the Northern Irish league but based on scouting reports, asked about Chambers. His agent had already made the player aware, so when the enquiry was made, Chambers told the club wanted to move.

And let's face it: Arsenal are an attractive option for any player.

Very few Boards can afford to keep an unhappy player. You quote Suarez - Suarez was never happy at Liverpool and would have agitated this summer for a move anyway, which most insiders believe Liverpool agreed to last season. Suarez agreed to stay one more season before a promised move.

Re: MoPo. MoPo used this as an excuse to leave for Spurs. He wanted to leave anyway but by pinning the blame on the Board, he could deflect blame away from his own treachery. The Board made every reassurance but couldn't guarantee that players would stay because they couldn't afford to keep unhappy players. MoPo knew this but used it as an excuse.

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Yes, we can say no, but we seem only too happy to take the money

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Ok. Enough is enough. Loads of you are talking out of your arses.
The board are not doing their best for the club??
Well, maybe there is one fact to contradict that statement!!
Ronald Koeman anyone??
You really think he would have took this job if the board wanted to destroy the infrastructure of the club.
Seriously - engage brain before opening gobs!!

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26 Jul 2014 16:38:02
Looks like Koeman made a slip up in the interview on solent after the win against Bournemuff last night when being questioned on Matt Targett.

At about 3. 45 into the interview he mentions he has 2 good left backs in Targett and Marcos. Maybe that's Marcos Rojo of Argentina that we have been linked with.

https://audioboo. fm/boos/2352532-reaction-here-s-koeman1963-talking-to-kristemple-after-saintsfc-s-1-0-win-at-afcb#t=0m13s

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26 Jul 2014 17:21:58
So glad I wasn't the only person who heard that!

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I've re-listened to that and I think it's him getting Matt's first name wrong, sounds like he is correcting himself and saying Targett having not gotten his name right. I could be wrong though and hope I am.

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Not what he says at all, he says he has a good left back in 'Margett' then corrects himself to say Targett

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We're really clutching for straws now haha, the situation's gotten so desperate. Let's pray some good news isn't too far around the corner!

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We need to sign players, Rojo or anyone. We need to just get players in. The first team is dwindling and now the fringe players are going. Enough is enough. And I really don't believe that we will spend this whole income on players. Stop lying to us saints and get in some quality.

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There is quite a lot of time before the transfer window ends and I think koeman and the board are taking so much time because they want the best for the club and aren't going to rush for players who aren't going to perform well, but if they could sign someone soon so we are more confident for the Bayer Leverkusen match that'd be great, as they are a tough opponent and with the current team I honestly don't think we will win, but at the end of the day, if we have a side as strong (or hopefully stronger) than the team last season then we'll be more confident when we get to anfield, in koeman we trust, COYR!

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It's not Koeman that I don't trust, it's the cheque book holder!

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27 Jul 2014 00:19:50
Told you 4 weeks ago that we will not make any significant signings until end of transfer window, in the meantime who's going to score any goals?

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The end of the transfer window? Which transfer window?! Good players aren't likely to want to sign for a club that looked good before all the quality left are they? Plus we need a marque signing soon to persuade other players to come. It doesn't look exciting enough at the moment for players to want to come here. A few good expensive quality signings could change that but it needs to happen soon.

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Hope to God they do know what they are doing!You have only to look at West Ham to see what happens when your striker gets injured. We are very light up front, as we were last year when injuries struck, It was our defence that won us games last year. I know it was a fantastic achievement, all I am saying is injuries and suspensions are part and parcel, and you have to plan for them. We need quite a few players, but I am positive that we have a very very good manager and he does not need me to tell him how to suck eggs. let's see some strong management all round.

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Pretty sure it's him mis-pronouncing "Targett" as "Margett" then correcting himself. He did address the need for another LB alongside him though which is good.

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26 Jul 2014 12:00:47
Does anyone have anything at all on players coming in?
This is now just really worrying looking at the state of the squad. We look unprepared and inadequate for the start of this season.

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26 Jul 2014 12:25:54
Ron said in recent interview that we are close to another couple of signings. Likely to be Forster and Vlaar. I've also heard Chambers and Lovren are set to leave whilst the club is doing everything to keep Schneiderlin.

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26 Jul 2014 12:27:40
I agree what we need now is players coming in not more bull. t from from the read, kreuger, liebherr unholy trinity. Time to front up or sell out to someone who will

No players should have been allowed to leave till replacements found if they don't like it let them rot.

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I'll tell you everything I've heard;

In: Fraser Forster
David Marshall
Ron Vlaar
Virgil Van Dijk
Stefan De Vrij
Marcos Rojo
Jordy Clasie

Out: Calum Chambers (medical)
Dejan Lovren (medical)
Jose Fonte
Morgan Schneiderlin

That's all I've got. It isn't looking good at all. I'm still waiting till the end of the transfer window to cast my final opinion on the board, but as it's going it probably won't be good. We've sold of our English contingent, replaced with foreign players, sold off when we didn't need to and have shown a complete willingness (or ineptitude) to sell of both bright academy prospects as well as best players without much resistance.

On the bright side if we do stick to Reed's statement, that all transfer revenues will be reinvested, we'll be spending £100 million odd. Somehow I don't see it.

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Jenkinson and Gnabry coming to Saints on loan, with Chambers going the other way. Option to buy on both? I heard this from a private source that deals directly with the board, and it's just been repeated by a website. Thoughts?

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And in response to TJ, why on earth would Saints sign two starting quality GKs? Particularly with Boruc still on the books and going nowhere anytime soon.

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26 Jul 2014 14:23:47
Vlaars staying at Villa

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Nabil bahoui the 23 year old winger playing for AIK in sweden.

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Why the hell would you sell chambers and bring in jenkinson?? Chambers is future England right back and a much better player!!

I'm seriously worried

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Aussie Saint, obviously not all of those players are going to come in/leave. These are just the ones where the interest is genuine or where offers/enquiries have been made. OP asked for info and I gave it, but as always with transfers nothing is a guarantee and obviously with goalkeepers if we sign one we won't go for the other. At the moment our interest seems to be leaning more to Forster. With defenders it's likely to be Van Dijk and one of the others not both and it depends on Rojo as to what position RK sees him in, CB or LB. Clasie may be dependant upon the sale of Schneiderlin, though that may just be speculation. This is all I know. Clarified?

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26 Jul 2014 16:50:39
Is anyone else surprised that we didn't even get a couple of transfer make weights from Liverhampton or Man Utd? I'm not saying I would have been over the moon with cast off fringe players like José Enrique or Kagawa but the option would have been nice. Didn't David Speedie come to us from Blackburn in 1992?.

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26 Jul 2014 17:28:08
Actually scratch my above comment leafing through my Southampton who's who for every James Beattie we get in P/X we also get a David Speedie and Tommy Forcaste.

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Must buy the newspaper, its the only way we are going to find out what's going on. Nobody else is saying a word. Could we be buying someone very very quietly do you think?

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27 Jul 2014 09:48:50
Schneiderlin in talks with Arsenal then, and Jenkinson and Gnarby will be loaned out, but no option to buy

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26 Jul 2014 09:07:57
My sources tell me that Ron was told of only three sales. He too has been misled by the board and he no longer intends to stay at Southampton beyond the summer but is hoping to do his best to get him a bigger club. Like Poch basically.

It is basically a closing down sale. It is not fair to mislead us fans so much when we are so loyal in our support physically, mentally and financially. The fans of our great club always unite at bad times as well as good. We must now unite to oust the board and owners. I gather also that this has begun with a big people protest expected at our first home game.

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26 Jul 2014 09:33:05
i would imagine les reed lied to roko like he has to the fans don't believe anything he says
as for krueger
i said a while a go he would sell everything for kl
and was shot down that's why he was brought in
forestsaint

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Which of the tabloid newspapers are you working for to get a story? It's not yet time to start demanding the owners and board leave given we've seen nothing of the new look Southampton and haven't made all the signings yet. I'm worried, but nobody should be at protest level yet.

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Agree with saintphil. New players will be coming into club without a doubt. We have not seen the complete new team yet but four pre season games with four wins and four clean sheets says a lot IMO. Harrison reed just signed new deal with us so I'm guessing roko knows exactly what going on and knows who he wants at the club and has a plan. Time to protest no. We need to keep faith and support the club not write it off

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Why do our signings take ages to sort out though? Other clubs seem to wrap deals up for our players fairly easily. I just think it would have helped saints fans if they had brought in another player before letting more go. I'm staying positive at the moment, but if we don't bring in some of the better players talked about on here I will start to worry

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26 Jul 2014 10:17:54
Think back to where we were 5 years ago. I'm very happy, we are at the strongest position we've ever been and have some great youth talent. Support your football club, don't moan at the board, at least they are spending. would you rather have Rupert Lowe come back? lol

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This is not the time to turn on our beloved Saints. The chairman must make a statement urgently to calm all these jitters or nobody will join us except Mickey mouse. I have been saying all week that something is wrong, let's see the management stand tall. God Bless you all

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26 Jul 2014 10:32:11
Why are people so quick to blame the board? From Lallana, Shaw and maybe Chambers (if he leaves for the reported 16 mil) we will of got near enough 70 million, three players that we payed nothing to get, three players who came through our academy. That's really good business if you ask me. And has anyone thought that maybe Koeman doesn't rate Chambers? People need to stop blaming the board as it's the easiest thing to do, and Koeman leaving in the summer, ridiculous.

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SFC4 a very deluded post indeed

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Gingersaint most fans are concerned with how much time we have left to sign DECENT replacements for the wantaways. we are ****ed

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I wonder what lies Reed gave to RK, maybe the same as the fans! Perhaps Poch had advance warning of the shambles ahead, so no wonder he got out.
Whilst admire the positive posts look at last nights team how many untried kids too early for the PL.
We have more scouts and advisors than most yet take at least twice as long to complete our signings.
I would not yet subscribe to the Board out calls but Reed out for sure and at least tell us the truth and stop treating the fans like employees

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To me selling players for big sums is only good business if it is re invested some way as far as a fan is concerned. But it's far too early to judge in my opinion.
Nobody knows what's going on behind closed doors, so I suppose we need to be a little more patient before grabbing our pitch forks

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26 Jul 2014 11:26:54
I am also extremely concerned with the lack of players being brought in, and I for one am getting very annoyed. But some fans on here think you can sign 6 players in a day, it takes time to scout players and make sure they're right for the team and the price is right. Look at Tottenham, payed way over the budget for many players and they all flopped, at least we're making sure the players are good enough.

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"We want to retain the players we've got. They all have existing contracts and we intend for them to honour those contracts. Any enquiries we will get will probably be met with a no, not for sale sign. Our intention is to keep this very good team together and build on it by bringing in new players to improve it" (Les Reed, April 2014). I'm not sure I believe this man, however good the players we sign are!

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Saintsmiff my pitch folk is ready to go question is wtf is Les Reed actually doing??????

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Precisely, we need to reinvest, or maybe we should have before we started the whole-sale changes, if we have our targets sign them and give them time time to embed into the team, or else it's going to be a slow start and pressure building early on.

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26 Jul 2014 12:23:20
I think that we are all impatient and are obviously worried but the sort of players we are thinking of buying are probably in great demand by other clubs. The negotiation process will be more complex due to greedy agents asking for silly money. A lot of the other clubs deals go through more quickly as there are fewer clubs wanting to buy the players, look at Newcastle and West Ham etc. The sale of Lovren to the scousers has dragged on for ages because he is a high profile player and was not originally for sale. It is the same for the fans up there getting fed up with waiting. A lot of the transfers that have happened are by clubs that are willing to sell unfortunately we are trying to buy players from clubs that don't want them to go, Morgan is an example of this but probably he will still leave. Frustrating I know but don't get the lynch mob out just yet, just wait till 17th August when the season starts, you may have to put the rope back in the barn. The last thing Koeman wants is the fans getting on his back before a ball has been kicked in earnest.

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Chrisdownj totally right Lovren deal aswell as Shaw an Lallana deals started before the world cup. Be patient there is a long way to deadline day.

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Good post chrisdownj, I don't think for a second Saints fans will get on Koeman's back, it'll more about the board and the contradictory nature associated to all the sales, we are the selling club and it hurts.
There's lots of sentimental *rap being written on this site reflecting on where we were 5 years ago, I'm not one for looking backwards but looking forwards, if we are selling our better players, and we are, it's logic we won't attract the more desirable player/s. Also, I can only speak for myself, it would be unethical to speak for others but the lack of action and 'replacements' is not good for confidence

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Chrisdownj: you are right to some degree but selling chamvbers does not make sense in any way for our club.

Yest more players leaving and this must be unsettling to the remaining players.

If you are going to sell half your squad you need to be able to have deals done to bring players in quicker. we have done it with managers!

Remember adkins?? potch was basically on board before he had been given the boot!

If we sell players like chambers we are going down the wrong road and we are giving the wrong signal to our players, staff and the rest of the footballing world!

You say it takes time but this work should have been done in the backgroung already! if you sell players like chambers there better be a bloody good reason and a decent player ready to come in.

We as a club are looking vulnerable to the rest of the world right now.

Thanks reed!!

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Well I've just seen an interview of Koeman saying he new of Lallana, Lambert and Shaw sales but he said after that "we are not a selling club" and that he wanted to keep the rest of the players

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Saint Ben don't forget the incredible Cortese was at the helm then so nothings changed there. Just think RK will be more loyal than Poch, I think he (Poch) started all this within the club and hopefully he will get too big for his boots. Would not like to upset Daniel Levy, Oh nooo

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So the board are now ignoring the new manager's wishes - He'll get f-ed off and leave also, stating a lack of ambition. It makes no sense in selling Chambers at all and IMO we should have done more to keep others.

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In all the years I have supported Saints (60) I have never been so disgusted with the fans who are writing this trash about KL LR and RK. Remember 6 years ago -10pts in Div 1 and Bankrupt. Heading into oblivion.
We lost players like Surman, Dyer and goldrick for pennies. The amount the board has got for Lallana and Shaw exceeds the value of buying seriously good players. if we sell Lovren, Chambers, jrod and spider at the same level that is sensible good business - non of these players are Lionel messi. RK has been here a couple of weeks he is a proven great. He has built teams before and probably as he said can replace all outgoing with better incoming for less. Why don't you all reel your necks in and give the man the time he is asking for. I would be seriously embarrassed if he was reading the tripe on this site. We will finish top 10 and Katerina will have a big chunk of her fathers investment back. Last years transfers paid for and an academy to produce more talent to sell or use. COYR

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Redwhite: what a lack of ambition you show!

Selling players is fine but we have decimated our squad! Bloody open your eyes man!!

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3 players have gone at the moment. 2 have come in to replace them and it's likely one will be replace by another academy product who's rated higher that the one who left. Hardly decimating the squad is it? The others are just rumour at the moment. Open your eyes man!

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Seems to me RedWhite we are in the minority however when this is all sorted in a couple of weeks the doom and gloom merchants will be ecstatic with our new team. For God's sake give the board and KL some credit, they are not selling the players. The players are forcing moves probably thinking they are better than they are and may be in for a bit of a shock if they don't cut it at their new clubs.

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I agree, redwhite what are u going on about? Yeah a brilliant academy that's producing, that we're selling now even before tgey get a run in first team, total LACK OF AMBITION that sends out a great message to future players, we will go down then without epl funding how do u expect us to generate the funds to continue the academy etc, u my friend are as deluded as les reed, it is very obvious what is happening, yes cortese was a ruthless aragant, self important person who was taking the piss but markus trusted him and this wouldn't of happened, 120m in transfer fees plus 80m from sky to be reinvested plus the so called '50m' mopo was alleged to been offered before sales, and all we've got to show is a couple of roko contacts, brilliant scouting system that

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I'm not saying I'm not annoyed, but it's not entirely the board's fault. The club can't force players such as Lallana and lovren to play, and if they're saying they won't play, the board have done the best thing and sold/are selling them for top prices. Luke Shaw was always going to go, and again the board managed to get almost 30 million for him, an 18 year old full back, that pushes up a lot and has not scored a goal and provided only one (I think) assists in the league, for that, they got a hell of a lot of money. As for lambert, I think we all agree that we're happy for him

The rest are just rumours at the moment. They're nothing concrete and there have been no statements. I know it's unsettling, but there's no point in jumping ship before anything concrete about players such as spider, j-rod and chambers actually comes out. It's all just paper talk at the moment, and the paper's, especially the ones like the daily mirror, just look for a good story, not necessarily a true one. Also it's still 3 weeks until the league starts, and Koeman says we're close to some signings, of some decent players. Have a little faith in the club you support and give them time, I'm sure it'll be alright by the start of the season.

I haven't posted on here before, but I do read it to see the rumours, and I thought I'd post this because I feel it's a bit embarrassing how some fans are reacting and I know this won't make any difference to you narrow minded people who only see gloom, but we should really have some faith in the team we support and give them time.

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Some real rubbish being posted here.

The Board can't stop players wanting to leave.

Nor can the Board force players to sign for Southampton.

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Oh my God!! It's a conspiracy.
Seriously guys, get a grip. Les Reed and Ralph Krueger did not lie to anyone.
Reading an interview with Alan Pardew, he said Saints are a victim of not qualifying for Europe. I personally can't stand the bloke, but I have to begrudgingly agree with him to some extent. We were always going to lose players this season. If Reed was lying to us, he would not have came out in an interview and said the things he said. Surely, if he had something to hide, he would have said sod all.
Get off the boards back. This is the best board we have had since the 80's. Judge them after the transfer window closes. Until then, please give the board a break.

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StirlingSaint: good post.
Fans should be banned from saying "lack of ambition" - it's a meaningless phrase used by fans to demand endless spending.
Players can't be forced to stay and players can't be forced to sign

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Chrisdownj: this the reason Poch left!! open your eyes guys!! Poch left because we were always going to sell the squad off!

I worry about the people in charge and where we are going to end up. Reed said to the media we will not sell the squad and we will add. A load of rubbish and lies.

Poch was told this would happen and that is why he went to spuds.

If we don't reinvest the money into the first team it could be a horrible season ahead

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You may be right but you don't really know anything about the real reason he left. None of us do, we are just guessing.

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26 Jul 2014 05:47:25
Shane Long set to leave Hull after just 6 months on Humberside. Homesick apparently - all his family are down south.
Signing for a southern premiership club.
Us??

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Hope not

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