30 Jan 2018 15:46:15
25 mil bid for promes rejected. Guessing this won't happen now.

1.) 30 Jan 2018
30 Jan 2018 16:16:38
Think it depends on Spartan getting their replacement Hanni from Anderlecht and us upping a bit more. Player is keen on the move.

2.) 30 Jan 2018
30 Jan 2018 16:33:34
yes but we are running out of time. only a couple of days left so it will be tight to get him.

3.) 30 Jan 2018
30 Jan 2018 16:36:12
We need to up the bid and spend out this lad I think will be worth it.

4.) 30 Jan 2018
30 Jan 2018 16:46:21
Les must have a plan b if this goes tits up.

5.) 30 Jan 2018
30 Jan 2018 17:26:24
Much depending on this deal. if we don't get many points out of Brighton and West Brom then MP will be out and the fans will turn against the club, big time.

Our other relegation candidates are strengthening their squads so Les must achieve something. and damn quick.

6.) 30 Jan 2018
30 Jan 2018 17:59:31
I will be very, very shocked if this doesn't go through. This sounds like a very dangerous game. I read earlier that 30m is this clause, so I don't know why we didn't just go for it. If we had gone for a lower bid like a week ago and had that rejected then it would have been fine. But a day before deadline day just seems stupid to me.

7.) 30 Jan 2018
30 Jan 2018 18:14:33
I agree guys. Our Prem status is at risk.
I think they will put a final take it or leave it offer in as usually there are 3. Question is how much?
We are min 5 mil short, Think final bid will be 28 mil.
They are banking on Spartak going for it.
Hope there is a plan B if it goes . up.
Got to get this over the line Les. Please don’t mess it up!

8.) 30 Jan 2018
30 Jan 2018 18:15:16
Just seen mahrez has handed in a tranfer request
If he goes to city Leicester could come in late and take him from under our nose.

9.) 30 Jan 2018
30 Jan 2018 19:19:17
Amazed at all of the "Guessing" above. we don't know and Saints always keep the cards close to the chest. Would love to be a negotiator on these deals, its Poker . we should not just stump up additional money unconditionally, we still are a Mid Premiership Team, and you might not think so. but we are very well run!
We have Josh Sims coming back into fitness, that will be like a new signing, we have our new Pelle replacement from Monaco, if you think Mbappe and Falcao were holding back, that's nothing to be ashamed of.
Charlie Austin back training. a great reserve goalkeeper in Forster, Lamina and Romue looking good, not even worried about our Central Defenders and just hope to keep Soares and Bertrand fit because they are "Top Drawer".
Cut the manager some slack and get behind our Team. We will be okay!

10.) 30 Jan 2018
30 Jan 2018 19:38:40
Yes great have players back etc. But those players have us in 18th at the moment cause we can't score and way we have played I don't think we can say we are a mid table team.

And yes they may keep things quiet but you put an low offer in on the day before transfer deadline it's just taking the micky.

If we want the player put in a proper bid. Fair enough a low offer a week ago.

11.) 30 Jan 2018
30 Jan 2018 20:45:00
I'd be surprised if we pull this off
I was surprised we offered 25 mill
If the don't budge there has to be another option.

12.) 30 Jan 2018
30 Jan 2018 20:50:24
I thought that the guessing was the fun part of all this.

13.) 30 Jan 2018
30 Jan 2018 20:51:16
The players are NOT responsible for our league position. that responsibility lies with the manager AND the board for allowing this debacle to unfold! I reiterate we have tremendous players whom are following instruction as good professionals should do.

14.) 30 Jan 2018
30 Jan 2018 20:55:27
I can't see the board spending the money on him transfer or wages and I Ed002 is right it doesn't make sense to go to Southampton. We had a few glory years the past few seasons but we can't keep up with the wages other clubs can afford. Would like to be wrong on the situation but we have to be realistic as well.

15.) 30 Jan 2018
30 Jan 2018 22:10:18
19th place now! Will be interesting to see what happens with the remaining hours.

16.) 30 Jan 2018
30 Jan 2018 22:18:02
We can’t give up now. We are second from bottom and Swans just went above us with a mahoosive result.
We have to win tomorrow night. If we lose we have to get MS in pronto to turn the juggernaut. But we still need that signing.

17.) 30 Jan 2018
30 Jan 2018 22:49:08
What are you talking about Saint Paul. You don't know what the players are being told. You don't know what is going on behind the scenes. You can't say anybody has allowed this debacle, if we insist on calling it that, to happen. You must have a very short memory, but the debacle actually started in August/ September (we're not calling 8th place last year a debacle) .

It is now the end of January, so less than 6 months after it started. For 5 of those months, the board's hands were tied. In the last month, we have sold (for a very good price) the player who the board/ manager, you know the people who actually do know what's going on behind the scenes, felt had played a big role in the debacle.

They have also broken our transfer record on a new striker, and according to reports put in a bid for a winger who would break our transfer record once again. From the sounds of it they were pushing hard for Walcott too. Based on the fee Everton paid, I suspect we were willing to break our transfer record for him also. What about this suggests that the board is allowing this to unfold. They are taking action but signing a football player is not as simple in real life as it is on FIFA.

You also can't just absolve the players of all responsibility for this season. They are the ones on the pitch not getting results. Tactics and managers are important, but they can only control so much. I don't believe that MP doesn't understand football to the extent that the players don't stand a chance of keeping us up, and don't see that anyone can possibly have any basis for saying so.

18.) 30 Jan 2018
30 Jan 2018 22:59:24
Let's hope we take the FA cup performance into the next game, must win, as other seemingly struggling teams who have changed their manager have now started to put results together, 19th with so many teams compacted and all adding quality to their sides, 14 games left.
Let's hope new signings make a difference, or the manager, uses a different system.

19.) 30 Jan 2018
30 Jan 2018 23:09:20
Facts are facts, we could go bottom tomorrow night with basically the same squad who finished 8th last season. I may be no rocket scientist but it doesn’t take much intelligence to see that something is seriously wrong with the motivation and style of play. Just can’t believe that MP is still there no other club would have let this happen.

Potentially we are going to spend multi millions of pounds on players to take us in to the Championship and if this happens these massive deals we are doing will ultimately mean we will crash and burn financially as these players will lose value massively if we are relegated. How on earth did we allow this situation to happen. How much longer do we say get off the managers back and support the club . Just don’t get it guys.

20.) 31 Jan 2018
31 Jan 2018 05:41:56
If we lose tomorrow I think that will be the straw that broke the camels back
Who ever comes in should have been installed months ago but that's just my opinion
Only time will tell I'd like pellegrino to prove us wrong but from previous games he's failed to do that so we're 19th
Didn't see that coming this year
If we do scrap and fight and get 3 points tomorrow we go up massively to 13th 14th but that obviously depends on other results
Who saw the swans doing what they've done in the last 2 games but fair play to them for showing so courage and belief
Tonight will be tough but we have to win nothing else.

21.) 31 Jan 2018
31 Jan 2018 08:19:32
I mean it's been about a month of saying get off his back Chris, not really that long when you long beyond the ridiculous short termism the people on this forum. What did Fergie say was his most important philosophy? Long termism.

If you don't get it I'd really suggest you actually read, with a vaguely open mind, one of the many posts on previous threads, by myself and others, which have explained what we're saying. If you genuinely don't get the logic behind it then there's absolutely no point repeating myself more. You're allowed to disagree but I've had it with having the same argument with people making the same points over and over again without even reading or thinking about a word anyone else says.

22.) 31 Jan 2018
31 Jan 2018 09:08:55
I agree 123 the whole purpose of this site is to post what your personal beliefs are which is just fine. I honestly don't think it is about a month since people have been getting on MP's back your watch must have stopped. Our club turned itself around in amazing fashion from 2009 till 18 months ago. I just don't get that all that grit and determination can be thrown down the toilet on a principle of loyalty. Over the last 12 months we seem to have had a long term illness which if not treated quickly can become terminal. If we get relegated I don't see any chance of us returning to the PL in a hurry, we have a squad of players that should never be in this situation and although they are responsible for their personal performances they should also be coached to play in a particular way that suits their skills. We have a squad full of internationals who together as a team should never be in the league position we are in. The buck stops at the people in charge of them who are not getting the best out of them. People would have gone crazy if we had got rid of MP and brought the likes of Roy Hodgson in as a rescue plan but unfortunately sometimes in desperate times you have to consider desperate measures. I admire your loyalty and belief in MP and his employers 123 but sometimes even you may have to admit defeat and accept that you and all the rose tinted glasses people on this forum maybe wrong to stick with the current regime. We could still get out of this but if we do it will be by the skin of our teeth which was totally unnecessary, I am certain a show of hands would maybe agree with me but then again maybe not, one thing is for certain though I honestly hope I'm wrong and you're right I honestly do. All of this is as we agree down to personal opinion which makes this site so refreshing and should never be used as tool for personal criticism.

23.) 31 Jan 2018
31 Jan 2018 10:10:16
SSN say we have matched the figure but Spartak are not playing as can’t get a replacement in so deal may be off?

24.) 31 Jan 2018
31 Jan 2018 10:26:53
Yea just read that Guernsey boy. No surprise with when we have left it to if it's true.

25.) 31 Jan 2018
31 Jan 2018 11:08:30
so what's going to happen?! are they wanting a bigger fee? just seen Lamela could be an alternative? or Schrulle? this whole situation is awful and I am so worried about our season. something needs to change, be it get rid of the "manager" or get some decent players in. I really think this is the end of our run in the Prem.

26.) 31 Jan 2018
31 Jan 2018 11:42:25
No they are struggling to get anyone in to replace him which is why they think the deal is off. Saying we have offered the £30 mil. Schurlle is a no as Dortmund have said keeping as injury problems with squad.

27.) 31 Jan 2018
31 Jan 2018 13:26:32
Chuck them redmond and 30 million for promes, problem solved for both clubs.

28.) 31 Jan 2018
31 Jan 2018 14:10:45
Of course JGFC, just add a 15-20 million pound player to our offer like its nothing. Then we'll believe you're running the club well.

And Chris I'm really not a rose tinted glasses type person, I'm just being reasonable about our situation and thinking about the bigger picture. You keep trying to call panic and over-reactions "pessimism" and "realism", and saying anybody else has their head in the sand. The point, as I've said so many times, is that your opinions are not informed by fact. They are informed by doom and gloom assumptions (actually, read back the posts - it borders on conspiracy theories rather than just assumptions) and in the case of many people a complete lack of understanding of how football/ the world works.

And you said they're throwing years of work away in the name of loyalty, but that's again just not true. They are not keeping MP out of loyalty, they are doing so because they believe that he is the best man available for the job. As I've pointed out before, people love to say he should be fired but everyone draws a blank when asked who should replace him. This is a huge part of the decision to fire him, is it not? The honest truth is, whether you think Strachan, Keane or Koeman could do a good job, all of those options are hardly certainties. You might disagree, but you cannot possibly say the board are incompetent for deciding that they are not upgrades, or in Koeman's case they just don't want to go back to someone who ditched us like he did. All of those are perfectly reasonable decisions, even if you think they are the wrong ones.

And anyway, I've said if it was me then I'd have sacked him, but I'm not ready to start making unfounded accusations against the club and turn against everyone associated with it just because the board have a different opinion to me. It's called being rational and reasonable, I urge certain members of this forum (and that's not actually directed at you Chris) to consider trying it.

Point is: please stop with all the doomsday crap. Just because you disagree with a decision doesn't mean that there is no justification behind it. I, and others like Figo, have written a few posts explaining why the board might think keeping MP is their best option. Personally, I disagree, but there are many reasons why it makes sense to do so and in no way does their approach make me think they're throwing anything down the toilet.

29.) 31 Jan 2018
31 Jan 2018 14:39:48
Saints123 I understand what you are saying completely.

But do you not think we actually needed to do some more business in this window.

I believe with a few new faces for competition it would push other players to raise their performances.

And let's be fair our biggest issue has been putting the ball in the back if the net when we get the opportunity.

I get you don't just chuck the asking price straight at a club you barter/ negotiate on the price. However if we really wanted promes the offers should have gone in earlier not start the the barter the day before transfer deadline day.

This is what I am frustrated at.

30.) 31 Jan 2018
31 Jan 2018 15:22:59
Like we could get that figure for Redmond! but with the short undetailed post I thought it may be taken for what it was, a bit of a joke, as often the short and sweet posts on here. Also my post said nothing about the running of the club. In regards to starting negotiations for targets earlier in the window, if we had done that I wonder if a player and cash deal could of been considered (less cash than originally stated) had we had more time but we don't know if we maybe missed out on another target or negotiations broke down which is why the promes option was so late on in the window possibly.

31.) 31 Jan 2018
31 Jan 2018 19:07:31
To Saints123.
I will be guarded in what I write but I can inform you that every team at the club is being coached in exactly the same way. I cannot tell you what the first team players are being instructed but I can comment on the younger players and their instructions. Their formation and tactics mirror what we see from the first team week in week out, so do their results. Do not ask me to breach confidences you must trust my words as a gentlemen and a true Saints fan.
Ive just seen the starting line up tonight, where are the goals or even creation coming from? I will be cheering tonight and supporting the team as I have done so for 53 years.

32.) 31 Jan 2018
31 Jan 2018 19:38:53
Yes saint Paul I think your find every team at the club is coached by the official fa guide to basic team coaching written by a certain Leslie reed, cancer at the club with a clown manager, the book is for real check Amazon.

33.) 31 Jan 2018
31 Jan 2018 20:49:56
Half time, absolute garbage football! Players need to be allowed to express themselves and win the game. All mp does is justiculate to them to get behind the ball and keep their shape. Are you watching 123?

34.) 31 Jan 2018
31 Jan 2018 21:08:16
Predictive txt! Gesticulate.

35.) 31 Jan 2018
31 Jan 2018 22:01:04
Something has to change. I agree with with the comments, yes it’s far from all doom and gloom but RK states we have a talented squad capable of top half, with the situation the way it is, it has to be the manager. I also don’t understand why some think there is no one available. Marco silva is out of work.

36.) 01 Feb 2018
01 Feb 2018 15:53:48
Ludders I do share all the frustrations you're talking about. I agree it seems odd that the Promes stuff happened so late - there was about a week between the Walcott pursuit failing and us seeming to get serious about Promes. But my point is we have no idea what was going on behind the scenes; we rely on journalists who are notoriously dishonest and sensationalist when it comes to the transfer window. So let's not take everything they report as absolute fact, and let's not assume that if they're not reporting on anything then it's because the people running the club are sitting there twiddling their thumbs. Once you stop making those assumptions, all of your views will start to seem a little bit less obvious. And that's the thing, I'm not even saying you're wrong. I'm just saying can we please stop treating every decision we don't agree with as proof of some big conspiracy theory.

JGFC I think 15/ 20 mil is probably realistic for Redmond in the current market. He's a young English attacker with potential. It's a ridiculous amount, sure, but every transfer these days is for a ridiculous amount.

SaintPaul: yes I was watching. Thanks for asking. And since you're being like that and making it personal, did you happen to watch the second half? Because while you were tapping away at your keyboard he was changing the formation, making 2 subs at halftime and being proactive about trying to change the game. It was still a poor result, and personally I think his initial team selection warrants criticism, but I was at least delighted to see him try and shake things up at halftime. I'm sure you plan to overlook this, though, we wouldn't want to run the risk of being fair to the guy now would we.

37.) 01 Feb 2018
01 Feb 2018 16:47:25
Wow! I wasn’t being personal just asking a question. Proactive? Unplanned desperation as apposed to clever tactical substitutions! He has lost the players and the fans, there is no way we will survive relegation if he remains in charge. That performance was woeful and inept and did you honestly think the second half was good? Just listen to what ALL of the retired professionals are saying about our performances this season, they know what they are talking about and what they are saying is not complimentary. MP is s really nice guy but a premier league manager he is not.

38.) 01 Feb 2018
01 Feb 2018 17:32:08
I agree, I'd have fired him. How many times do I need to say this. But thanks for answering my question, no you don't plan to be fair. Cool.

To answer yours, I think the second half was a lot better and while we should criticise MP for the first half and his team selection, we should credit him for making the changes and seeing improvement on the pitch. Especially since one of the most common criticisms of MP I've seen is his perceived conservatism and reluctance to try things and shake things up. Yesterday he did this, and nobody gives a crap.

We criticise when he doesn't do anything, and when he does we refuse him any credit. It is seriously time for us fans to lo`ok in the damn mirror. After the penalty yesterday the crowd deserted the team. Boos rang around the ground just 20 minutes in. I saw an article today criticising Southampton fans, saying that the team, unlike every other team in the league, does not benefit from a home field advantage. After last night, I 100% agree with this article and those fans going to games and booing as soon as things get tough, groaning at every backpass need to take a serious look in the mirror. I suspect, based on the posts on this forum, many people on here are included in this.

39.) 02 Feb 2018
02 Feb 2018 11:54:51
sorry 123, usually I find your posts etc to be very balanced, but on this occasion, it is a bit much to expect people to recognise half time changes, after 23 games of the season gone. Yes, MP does not get everything wrong, but more than a competent Prem manager should. Personally, I can't defend him at all.

40.) 02 Feb 2018
02 Feb 2018 15:17:55
Considering one of the big criticisms of him is his failure to do exactly that - react in game and make proactive changes - I personally think it is only fair that we recognise when he does do that.

Regardless of this, my main point stands though: it's time for us fans to acknowledge that we are one of the biggest contributors to the struggles the team are having. I for one don't think a manager change will make too much difference (although it's probably time to fire him anyway) because any manager is coming into such a hostile situation. If he goes 1-0 down in his first game, then that'll be game over and he'll have "lost the fans" as someone said about MP.