Southampton Banter Archive August 28 2014

28 Aug 2014 20:13:46
Hi Guys

Time running out for Southampton fc Looks like all the talk about transfers comming in is exactly what it is all talk, if anyone thinks we are stronger this season their deluding themselves we were caught short several times last season and now we have fewer experienced players than ever. We collected around £92 million in transfer monies we have spent around £29 million RK and les reed told us all transfer money would be reinvested on the building of a new squad if you believe that you'l believe anything another load of B S--- its bloody obvious we are short of a quality striker center back and a pacy winger what have they done about it so far nothing except give us the impression their going to buy more players.
Well on writting this they have 4 days left, where has remainder of the transfer money gone and don't say wages because they have saved more money on the wages of the players that have left than their going to pay on the incoming players I can only speak for myself and say I feel duped this board told everone you have to buy your season ticket by a certain time, everything is hunky dory the manager is staying no one is leaving all the money will be spent on new players, what a load of crap.

I disagree, I think we have bought in a top class new manager and have made some very good signings, we have actually spent £44m too by the way not £29m, (Pelle £6m, Tadic £10m, Long £12m, Gardos £6m, Forster £10m = £44m) and why spend it all at once? Teams have paid over the odds for our players and we have I think over a £100m in cash from it, this can be used to reinvest in January and other coming transfer windows so like Krueger said, it helps us in the long term, another 2 quality players hopefully in by the end of the week, a CB and a pacey winger and I'll be very happy personally

29 Aug 2014 00:30:20
we have spent 46m. apparently, two more signings and that takes us to over 60m, that's a lot of dough for a club like us, lots of comings and goings going to happen in the next few days, think it might be an interesting last day in the transfer market for us

What a negative post, even more so than usual from people like you. Lighten up and go and take some happy tablets. Its not as bad as it seems although you'll do a lot of finger wagging and knashing of teeth I'm sure of it.
Give the squad time to gel. Its been a rocky time. Lots of people are working damn hard to improve the squad as best as possible. If players won't come to us because they are greedy and want to go to supposed bigger clubs, then that's a fact of life. Get used to it.
I for one believe in what is trying to be achieved. We are a lot more healthy than we were a few years ago or have you forgotten about the dark times. Get a life or go down the road and support Pompey. There'll be more to moan about there I am sure!
COYR. Get positive and get behind the team you are meant to be following.

29 Aug 2014 01:34:45
Saint Moose perhaps the Board should have thought about the global picture before resorting to knee jerk reactions and selling all our best players. there's no excuse is there let's face it.When are ever going to put together a group of players like we had last year? And I don't buy this argument that you can't criticize and if you do you should go down the road and support Pompey how dare you. Fans have a right to express an opinion and I suspect the vast majority are not happy with the business done by the club this summer. It has been a disaster and if we survive, it will be in part due to the support of fans who are opposed to this nonsensical Board and owner.

What you suspect couldn't be more off the mark, I know more people who are happy with our signings than aren't. Montecristosaint and fellow doomsayers, you constantly say that the optimistic fans are disillusioned and narrow-minded, but it sure seems like the opposite if you are unable to see beyond what's happened this summer. Feel free to live in the past, but I can tell you right now that whatever happens come the end of this season, many of us will still be praising Saints.

28 Aug 2014 17:12:47
To speak my mind how long has this sort of thing gone on. when we were in the Lowe era we sold our best assest and bought cheap. much later down the road we had q better team it came to a point were I was confident we would get points out of games most weeks. but then we again sold our stars and we have replaced cheaply again and there was no forcing of the issue. Our penny pinching board didn't keep there word on bonuses refused to promise poch the team he was doing so well with wouldn't be torn apart beneath him so he left and the players also. and I do not blame them one bit. poch and players that is not our full of s**t board and before people say we still kept schniederlin the only reason that is the case is because the 25mil wanted wasn't offered or he to would be waving bye. And wots more I could see cortese probably league one to champ to prem and who was bought in. Then when cortese hard work of keeping players and keeping things professional got us to the prem safety. fatty pig face all of a sudden wanted to be more envoled and why should cortese step aside when we were down in the dirt he turned us around with Marcus blessing and made us not have to sell and give the players the impetus to go and play like they did

Firstly HOW do you know all this - or is it speculation & rumour? Secondly IF we do better than last season, you'll look a bit silly. And lastly what brand of angry pills were you on when you typed this?

100% spot on Southampton87 the board are full of j**p I don't trust em as far as I could throw em. cortese and Poch probably would have stayed on if he and the players got the bonuses they were promised. It is gutting thinking back how fresh and exiting we were little miss greedy piggy and her cronies can h***ing do one as far as I am concerned. Remember when we played in red and we were quality?

28 Aug 2014 19:05:51
I think all the players we have signed this summer are Internationals, but we are replacing "cheaply"??LOL

The players who left have left for money (yes, Morgan would have enjoyed £100k/wk I'm sure) that Saints can not afford to pay, and KL has a limit to how much money she will invest (she has already invested a whole lot, so where is the penny pinching?) Equally, new FFP regulations would not allow her to keep spending silly amounts of money.

If you don't understand the financial realities of running a football club you don't have to go far to find a club that would suit you a whole lot better.

I can normally appreciate the viewpoint of other Saints supporters but that tirade is delusional.

If we finish in the top ten and do anything in the cups then we have had a better year because we have made ourselves financially stable aswell. Our players where overpaid for and nobody outside of the top six could have turned down that sort of money for them

28 Aug 2014 20:01:02
seems funny how ffp is only affecting saints
but there again rich owner
its going to stay that as well
forestsaint

28 Aug 2014 20:11:01
Mikeysfc, please can you try to stop being so positive all the time, its doing my head in :-)

Go back to transfer for an example of penny pinching theo Walcott sold who replaced
Ox who replaced him
G bale who replaced him
D loveren who replaced
Adam lallana supposed to be tadic
Ricky lambert for pelle
That'd just top of head and in truth to act as though that ain't the case delusions
That is penny pinching

28 Aug 2014 20:48:56
does leggdad really think saints will finish higher than last season
not going to happen
krueger
krueger stated all transfer income would be reinvested in the team
sorry not true
also no big name player will join saints reed under orders not to spend to much as kl wants to stay a rich girl

please do not blame ffl that is a poor excuse
forestsaint

And before u say Lowe was in charge when we sold Walcott. And bale. My point. Exactly
Nothing is different. But our owners can hide behind ffp

Sholing shadow I just couldn't hold in my positivity any longer my post were positive as thy come a year ago :-)

28 Aug 2014 22:03:20
Saints income, outside of TV money, is puny in contrast to the clubs who earn much of their income through marketing. (What was Utd. recent deal with Adidas (I think), around £1billion?)
FFP regulations kill Saints whilst having a much smaller impact on the larger clubs. Cortese fought hard to prevent these regulations coming to fruition but was not supported. He could see that small clubs with a wealthy owner would be hugely penalised, as such income could not be made up from their donations.
No one is hiding behind FFP. It is a reality and you can rant as much as you like about KL but just remember the reported £50m
spent on Staplewood. Where did that come from? OMG it is penny pinching again.
I would suggest it may be better to remove your IQ from your handle, because when you start talking about past players who were sold to enable the club to continue to exist and moan about it as penny pinching you insult the majority of supporters who suffered through that period but at least took the trouble to try and understand where the club was financially.
There has been several very good summaries by the Eds. on here about FFP. You do really need to get acquainted with the real world.

Look I would. Love nothing more than to think good of the team I was born to support but the good that's been done over the five years is destroyed.
And No it has nothing to do with schniederlin wanting 100k a week. More to do with the board wanting 25 mil not 10 and the rest later. If he does well so u carry on thinking how u are because last time we had a lieing board was under Lowe and he got us relegation and wots more is. I can remember clearly that Lowe give a club statement saying when we sold Walcott thankfully we get relegated it would help us return lol to the prem all I remember is he bounced of and his care homes did well lol

Leggdad, angry pills, love it, absolute gold.

Cortese put the order for staplewood not Kathryn and Marcus left cortese in charge cortese wanted a top team Kathryn see's staplewood as a conveyor belt for future sale's. And didn't won't to invest wot was needed for cortese to achieve wot he was aiming.
Selling all you're top players but one
Having own brand team wear
And investing in staplewood spells out wot Kathryns direction is

Southampton 87, "the good that's been done over the five years is destroyed" haha is that a joke? I don't know why all these angry and dramatic posts have suddenly come from, we've played 2 matches, played well in one and bad in the other, we all know it will take time for this new team to gel, but I'm still confident of a mid table area sort of finish, where we can then push on using the rest of the money from this window onto bigger and better things, I think some the insulting comments about KL are pretty shocking and completely uncalled for, or are you forgetting who has chosen to invest in the club to get us to where we are today since Marcus sadly passed, she spent £50m on a brand new state of the art training center for crying out loud and all you can do is insult her. Pretty shameful really, how would you react if someone was promising large amounts of your money to people without telling you? Which is why Cortese had to go. If he hadn't made promises we couldn't keep then maybe we would still have some of these players but at the end of the day I think the main reason for some was champions league football and a lot would have left anyway, some of the posts are ridiculous.

29 Aug 2014 01:43:23
I am getting a bit sick of the sheer conjecture thrown out by some Saints fans who think they understand the world of finance ffs. First point the training ground cost £30m not 50.Second, the comments re spending on players this summer are broadly correct KL has pocketed 90 million while current spending on incoming players has been financed by last seasons tv money.The Board virtually gave away shirt sponsorship to assist a local firm they felt they could afford it. And finally, this talk about KL investing. She has recovered more than has been invested by her in player sales. She according to Krueger , calls it living within the club s means.Wait until you see next years accounts I think you will find I am right because if I am not the club will get a huge tax bill.

St Sam if it wasn't for cortese we would not have staplewood or would we be in the prem cortese made these things happen when Marcus not Kathryn left cortese in charge nothing but bad has happened since cortese left and she come In. MARKUS SAVED us because cortese brought it to the man that had the money and an interest st marcus. I do wonder what would have happened if Marcus was still at the helm. But as I say wot good has came from Kathryn, kruger and co

If cortese left because he offered bonuses who and what account would pay?
I would have thought it would have came from the club account. and I believe I read that marcus left a will with monies left to the club and the five year plan witch cortese got left in charge kL came sniffing around when we got to the prem and realised that cortese was imputing all revenue and this part of her business was not earing her money so forced cortese out

29 Aug 2014 16:39:47
cortese might not be to everybodys liking
but he got us to the premier league
kl krueger reed
might just be taking us back to the championship the way things are going
forestsain t

First point staplewood came in at over 50m! it was supposed to be 30m yes but it wasnt.

The sooner people realise all she cares about is money the better. time and time again they have lied. this current board have not done one single thing that makes me think in a positive manner. lost count of the negative ones. they have destroyed the buzz around the club and it will transpire to the pitch.

Southampton87 he may have made it happen but who paid for it? It wasn't him was it? KL owns the club so hence the "club account" is hers and it would be her money paying the players, Cortese can't just throw money around that isn't his and isn't sustainable. Without her finance we would not be here, as regard to them lying to us, I wouldn't say that is the case as when he said no one is for sale we meant it as we didn't want to sell anyone but when it's the players that want to leave and end up forcing the deal there's not a lot we can do except get as much money as we can for it, the only one we can respect is Rickie's, I agree a lot of the summer has not been handled very well by the new board as they should've identified that Pochettino was going to leave earlier and had Koeman as his replacement already lined up and the same with particular players such as Lallana, Shaw and Ricky, if we had quality replacements in place then maybe Lovren and Chambers would've stayed as the team would have still looked good and ambitious for next season, that is my main criticism of them this season, but they were right to draw the line at Shneiderlin and J Rod (although it should've been drawn earlier) as losing 7 first team players would've killed us, but now we have 7 in with another possible 2 coming by the end of the week, which could've taken our summer spending to over £50m and maybe approaching the £60m mark if the last to are ambitious signings. I don't understand why everyone is suddenly so angry, I'd understand if we were destroyed by Liverpool and lost to WBA and were bottam of the table and knocked out of the cup, it's really not that bad and as regards to since Katarina has been more involved only bad things has happened, we still finished 8th while she was more involved and so far we haven't had much of chance to show much good things as we have only played 3 games, I agree a marque signing would be nice, but we'll see

And forestsaint do you serriously thing we'll be relegated? I really can't see it

29 Aug 2014 20:36:29
i said might
but I don't think saints will finish in the top half of the table
with the new players still need time to gel
forestsaint

St Sam wot u are smoking must be good poch would not have left had he been garenteed his team was not going to be sold. KL would not have put the plans in for or staplewood if cortese was not there and she was. money was left in a will to cortese to control and he made it happen. All kL see's now is every year we will be able to sell new up and coming players every year well that is her plan

Ok fair enough, I agree we will be around mid table sort of area

28 Aug 2014 11:32:44
Right I was in a good mood yesterday and still am in a way today as I have just come to the reality. We are never going to witness cl league football at sms,
1 it was not built for this it is far too small for this.
2 we are never going to attract the top players to help the great youngsters we produce on a conveyor belt to get us there
3 said conveyor belt of great youth players is there to produce money for whatever owner is in place and it's not kl fault football is a business now
4 if we built a bigger stadium to increase revenue would we fill it to attract bigger players, no ( apparently cortese was looking at building a new stadium better access routes parking and with bigger capacity to increase revenue to compete at higher level but this was 1 of the reasons kl stepped in as the proposal was put forward to her as the owner and didn't want to shell out the money)
I am only saying what I have heard, don't shoot I know the truth hurts but this is the reality. As I've said football is seen as a business now and we don't need to compete in cl to make a big profit when we have the academy we have always had and produced great players with to boost income.

The entire 'running it as a business' surely a good thing.
There is very little money to be made from running a football club as the outlays are so huge, running a sustainable club is surely the aim.
Saying never is rash, not in the next few years for sure but look at Everton, run responsibly for years and now has the disposable income to spend big on a world class player, and they have a real shot at top 4 this season.
I would much rather see saints build steadily, turn a profit and maybe one day challenge the 'big boys' than spend big, and risk missing out on cl and ending up in huge debt!

I am not complaining at all I remember how close we came to not having a club to support at all I'm just trying to get everyone to realise where we are because I remember the league 1 days. I'm happy for the club to b run responsibly but also there is potential here as we are the biggest club on the south coast and should have a bigger fan base than we do if we were to fulfil our potential there shilould b no reason we can't fill out a 50/60 thousand seater stadium to increase revenue I'm sure this is what cortese was thinking and he saw the potential but do this new board? I'm not so sure are we just going to b a selling club as long as their in charge I think the latter hence why their has been no future plan outlined by the board as to the direction the club is heading, but if selling players we've produce for a couple of seasons is to fund a new stadium to at least attempt to try and compete in years to come I am all for after all arsenal had to do it and look strong this year. I would just like to know where we are heading with this new board.

28 Aug 2014 21:13:47
just a question really
can anyone tell me what krueger actually does or has done
that is beneficial to southampton fc
because I can't find anything
forestsaint