Southampton Banter Archive May 28 2014

 

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28 May 2014 23:43:56
After finally calming down from the news which left me truly devastated. It's time to take stock, I think Le Tiss has summed it up and put everything into perspective. After buying into Cortese' plans I think we've all got a bit carried away with delusions of grandeur and with pochettino leaving, it makes you wonder if any top manager or player is only ever going to use the club as a stepping stone in their careers. Yes we do have a good infrastructure and to date we have very good players so with the right manager we could be back on track.
Part of me wonders if the search for a new manager has been going on for sometime already and with Jason Dodd getting sacked, maybe it's all part of a big plan!
Krueger and Reed are yet to impress me although it's early days still. It would just be nice if they came out now that this '5 year plan' has come to an end, and tell us all what we are really aiming for!

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Ralph said Europe is the goal. He reiterated it twice in his interview.

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I think if they had a manager in mind and almost tied him down, he would say. He's been banging on about an honest approach at saints, so can't see him having somebody ready to step in

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Ok, so now I've seen the interview. Yes there are obviously big things going on behind the scenes, but being left to wonder for so long it was always going to be concerning.
These days I guess you don't have to be a football man to run a club/ business, but for me hearing his accent and some of his answers like they've just come straight out of some positive speech manual and even the way he says 'The Saints'. It all just doesn't feel right. But that all being said I think our great club will be just fine.
I wouldn't be too naive Saintsmiff, there are far more things that happen at football clubs than we would ever know!

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28 May 2014 22:15:52
Bookies fav: koeman
Comment in your preferred choice. I would go with koeman if he was interested

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Yakin sounds good to me!

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28 May 2014 18:30:56
If you listen to Ralph Kruegars interview with ssn. I feel very reassured with the future of the club and feel a lot more comfortable with the situation the club is in now. Your thoughts?

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Agreed I imagin they been planning for life without poch for a while, good luck to poch but spurs is a massive gamble with trigger happy levy that 5yr contract means nothing

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Levy might have trigger finger but if mopo can get the players pulling in right direction they will have a great squad esp if he's been given money to strengthen don't be surprised if they do push arsenal out for 4th place next season and however we feel about spurs not being a step up. get real. wish him all the best and we move on hopefully upwards

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^ can't see many of their players wanting to work as hard as he want though and after all, hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard ;)

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Agreed, gutted Poch is gone but at least it wasn't due to a lack of ambition from the club it seems, I'm just relieved to know what's happening to be honest

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The team that will push arsenal out will be United.

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Hopefully Kruegar's comments are not merely lip service and they will be substantiated with 'real' action and appoint that High-calibre manager. I also hope that the board's view of what High-calibre entails coincides with what Saints' fans views are. We surely don't want a McKay or Houghton.

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I don't think Arsenal will be pushed out, I reckon Utd won't be top 4 for another season at least!

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28 May 2014 17:53:46
It didn't quite make sense me at first when they announced Poch had left, but after reading that as a young boy he watched the World Cup with his Dad were Argentina won and 2 of the stars in that squad were from Spurs, so it seems like from a young age he has been a Spurs fan, this seems to make more sense now, he left for a boyhood club, I think it dragged out because it still must've been a tough decision to leave, but he has gone and if it's true I respect, I think we all know if any of us was a manager and were offered the Saints job we'd jump at it! Anyway a good interview from Krueger tells us we still want to push on for European football and that we've had a lot of high quality managers from all across Europe knocking on our door as well as players, it seems we are still an attractive proposition which is good, Yakin seems to be the favourite and would fit in very well, good news is that the people who found and recruited Mauricio are still at the club and as we have finished 8th in the prem we will be able to attract higher brow managers than back then, so who knows maybe we'll get someone even better! COYR!

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Any of the Ed's know anything about these players that have been "knocking on the door"? Thanks

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{Ed005's Note - I can't help mate.}

Clutching and straws come to mind

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Not really most of what I have said is true, weather or not it's the reason Poch left we'll never know, maybe he didn't get on with the chairman, but from Krueger's interview today we know that we still have european ambitions and want to progress so it must be something else like the reason I said

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28 May 2014 15:38:30
So Kruger's just said that Les Reed has been inundated with requests from top quality players and managers from across Europe

anyone else pretty excited for next season now?

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Not really. Krueger's talked a good game ever since he came in. But the actions haven't matched the waffle.

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Well he hasn't had much to do yet until now, shame he couldn't get Poch to stay but at least he's saying we still want to push for European football and that we're looking at some good managers, in the "waffle" he also said we has the same people at the club who found Mauricio so I think we'll get a new manager in and push on next season!

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MoPo's had his mind made up since before Kruger's been at the club, nothing he or anyone could have done. He paid his own get out clause so he clearly wanted to go

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28 May 2014 15:35:47
A lot of people seem to be digging at players I for one would not be grudge lallana moving to Liverpool been a very loyal player and deserves champions league same with Morgan to arsenal would like to think Jay would give us at least another year Shaw to Chelsea it's his boyhood club so can't blame him there although hope he wouldn't goto utd, how ever I would be annoyed if any of them went to spurs!

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J-Rod is definitely here until atleast Jan, there's no way he'll pass a fitness test as he'll be out most of pre-season. The rest is down to the board, none will force a move but will go to a bigger club if the board accept offers

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Also, Kruger seemed pretty peeved with MoPo in the interview he's just done, I'd be surprised if we deal with spurs for a while at least

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Yeah just read it sounds like it could be a good year if he is speaking the truth

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28 May 2014 15:12:23
The more I here about Yakin, the more I here he's the man for us, he didn't do much wrong at Basel and as an ambitious young side this would suit him well, I hope we can get someone in sooner rather than later!

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Definitely, already said he'd be interested in the job, very similar style to MoPo but with a plan b and seems to be able to deal with counter attacks better. Some good young players in Switzerland he could bring too ;)

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My thoughts exactly! Maybe even a cheeky bid for one of his former player in Shaqiri! Who knows

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28 May 2014 12:06:25
Not a rumour. but;

we have a great team
we have a great academy
a £30m training facility
no debt
a new stadium
a stream of great young talent
a board with money and business sense
we play in the Premier league
we start the season with 0 points!
its all good
so what if the manager changes
so what if we don't pay our players 100k a week
its all good
almost every club in Europe except the top 20 would swap places with us
almost every manager with ambition will move to Southampton
sorry ED - not a rumour - just some facts.

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Wasn't there talk of debt remaining over previous transfers and the training ground? Either way, very good points, and cause for optimism!

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^ the transfer debt is completely normal for every club to have, it's just more than Cortese had let on

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As the above post said, transfer debt is normal, most clubs don't pay the full transfer fee up front, I know Lovren has such a clause in his contract

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28 May 2014 11:59:34
when Strachan left all those years ago we didn, t set or sights high enough when looking for a new manager. I notice the usual suspects have been mentioned but why would we want other teams failures. di matteo is out of work, he knows the big time and he always seemed to act with dignity and integrity

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A lot of the managers being linked play a similar style, have won leagues with their clubs and done well in Europe, much rather have one of them

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28 May 2014 11:56:14
The 5 year plan.

In an era of what is supposed to be open communication to the fanbase, the only consistent messages from the club at all levels is of the 5 year plan that has just come to an end. It has been an amazing journey from League 1, -10 to where we are now, developing our youth and cementing ourselves in the Premier League a year early.

Alan Pardew
Excellent talent spotting, particularly for the lower leagues. Rickie Lambert is the prime example of a player that brought us exactly what we needed in a much depleted squad.

Nigel Adkins
Motivation and club ethic brought enormous belief and positivity to the team. We believed we could win by playing good, positive football. Promoted 2 leagues in two seasons.

Maurico Pochettino
When we weren't quite set up for the premier league MP gave us hard work, more flair and the high pressing game which has earned us much praise. Record points total and 8th in the premier league.

This ends the near perfect 5 year plan. Cortese has left and the club has delivered to Katkarina Leibherr one of the most attractive prospects in world football. What a gift from her father and a legacy I hope she revels in.

The next 5 year plan is crucial.


Murat Yakin is a name being touted a lot now. With him leaving Basel and seeming to fit our way of playing he sounds like a good fit. Swiss efficiency, culture and excellence.

I also hope that the key players recognise that this could be a manager to take us to the next level (but nothing is certain). If we can keep this bunch together for a while we can take on the top 4.

I think MP left because he got offered a fat contract and only a short one at Southampton. He may not have been in the boards plans for the long term. With one year of his contract matching Yakin's at Basel this could have been the plan all along.

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Stscientist you are dreaming Poch left because the board would not ket him keep Shaw and Lallana nor would provide new funds for player investment. These had to come from player sales which also had to meet existing debt. Not very realistic but those are the facts, or Poch would have stayed

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Mcs - you really do speak just like a journo - no basis to your comments, no verified source for your 'facts', no evidence for what you say, utterly no knowledge whatsoever of the reasons behind MP's resignation, only pure supposition that you bundle together in bile which you spit out in the hope of seeing true supporters hurt by what you say.

You have no honour, you have no values, you have nothing for SFC. It is a pity you do not make better use of your energy looking for the positives rather than speiwng out negatives.

MP has left, it's in the past, finito - move on - continue the journey WHEREVER IT TAKES US!

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Montecristo, the more you talk the more you sound like a skate, you clearly know nothing, just toddle off now, haven't you got some homework to be doing?

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Sorry block 34 got a feeling montechristosaint is a pompey supporter can't be a saint with some of the stuff he been spouting

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MP has left and you don't care why? You are exactly the type of fans that just roll over and have your tummy tickled let's face it saints are a selling cub again and you are happy and want to support this? You just buy a season ticket because you have nothing else to do with your lives!

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It's not that we don't care but when names like Yakin and Koeman are favourite to take over it's hard not to be optimistic

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I keep saying it but it just happens that I ve been comunicating direct wit the sports editor of the Daily mail not Neil Ashton. I've had two signed letter confirming that according to and I quote their "excellent sources" Shaw and lallana will be off this summer. They would not however reveal who these were but I suspect it may have been Dodd and Williams. Just for you to know I have been A Saints fan for fifty years or so sttod in the rain at the Dell as a kid so don't you dare insult me. We are all entitled to our views, and we have yet to hear exactly what Saints actually plan to do with regard to player transfers. it strikes me as odd that Poch left if guarantees had been given he achieved a great deal as we all know. I can only think his mind had been made up when Cortese left and was just waiting for an opportunity to move on.

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I'm a bit with mcs on this one. Even when Krueger was asked about shaw and lallana, he couldn't say he can guarantee they won't be sold. He said they are in control. In control of any ins and outs. They want to speak to a new manager b4 any transfers as well. IMO poch wanted to leave back in jan when cortese left. Maybe a bit bitter about it. But I do think some of our star players have a price. Maybe just very high prices, hence not bring able to "guarantee" they will still be here.
I do think though, any transfer money raised, a large percentage would go back into transfers

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Saintsmiff trust me I don't want anyone to go for the simple reason that I think we need to get rid the selling club tag. The press won't leave us alone or the players until the club s board have gone through a transfer window without being pressured into selling players. Even Lambert is being linked with a move to Liverpool now is there anyone in our team that has NOT been linked with Liverpool, I can only think of Boruc and Fonte, I reckon Fonte is next though

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28 May 2014 11:49:05
I'm thinking Poch stayed until now because he was waiting for cortese to buy the club with backers. I'm presuming they failed and that's why he's gone.

If he doesn't want to be here, fair enough then good luck and thanks.

I think Adam will stay and continue to grow with the club, just like gerrard with Liverpool.

The next manager is crucial with our development and pushing higher up the table.

I'm for one ready to move on and hope for exciting season ahead with talented squad of players.

Coyr

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Lallana's off. He's pushing for it. Everyone knows it. Yet all the bile spewed about Pochettino's "disloyalty" in leaving with a year left on his contract won't be similarly targeted at the club captain, the dyed-in-the-wool Saint, less than a year into a five year contract jumping ship.

Only one of those two will be booed and abused when they return to St Mary's with their shiny new side next season.

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Perhaps that's true. But if Lallana did leave, we'd get a huge sum of money. Plus this is a player that rejected moves over the years as he helped us to where we are now. He's been instrumental and loyal. I hope he stays. but if the board are not going to match his ambition why should he.

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So that it is clear I don't want the club to sell any of its stars we have an opportunity now to push on it can be done look at Athletico in Spain and Braga in Portugal. Add a couple of marquee signings and cheaper more experienced players like Verdu to fill out the squad and we could be flying next season. Why Poch felt he had to go beats me, it really does. We just don't have all the facts. There are those apparently who think it would be a good idea to sell Shaw or Lallana, even both but I am not one of them they are irreplaceable world class players. At least the board are now saying they will keep us informed, in view of the crazy speculation all summer so far it is our due. And incidentally according to the daily Express no bids have been made so far for anyone.

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28 May 2014 10:45:50
I think we should go for either
Eddie howe as he is English would like to bring through youth
That ex Basel manager
Or rafa Benitez also that would annoy the spurs lot

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I hope we set our sights high, any thoughts on di matteo

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28 May 2014 10:22:49
Southampton are currently compiling a short list of candidates to succeed Pochettino. Early front runners are Bert Van Marwijk, Murat Yakin, Marcelo Bielsa, Frank Rijkard and Steve Mclaren. In my opinion any of these could do a good Job.

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{Ed005's Note - Even I know that Marcelo Bielsa has just started a new job mate.}

28 May 2014 09:50:58
This isn't a Poch slate in any shape or form but under his style of play the only ones that really didn't fit in were the Euro imports of Ramirez and Osvaldo. He's going to a club full of them now. Wish him well for getting us where he has but think he might regret it in the longterm. Only time will tell.

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28 May 2014 09:46:39
I posted yesterday that Laudrup would be the best option. However, I am now hearing a lot of negative things about the man. Poor work ethic, hardly around the training ground and totally disconnected with the players. The complete opposite to Poch. If that is the case then. no thank you. Bring on the Yak!

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28 May 2014 08:51:29
ok so poch has gone it isn't the end of the world, the most important thing is to keep our best players! Lallana will stay, Shaw is 50/50, Lovren wont. but is there anyone we are linked to, players? I think a new gk younger than 30! another cb and a striker. however there are two midfielders I would love at saints! will Hughes from Derby and Maximillian Meyer I think they would fit our style of play perfectly. I know we won't get them but still, what about you lot?

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I'm not entirely sure lallana will stay, not now spuds are in for him.

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28 May 2014 07:09:23
Lets hope that this board can bring in a manager of the same or higher caliber than MoPo. Krueger goes on about the academy in his latest statement but have we not just ripped the heart out of it by getting rid of Dodd and Williams.
Priority right now must to bring in the right manager with the right monetary backing to take us forward.

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28 May 2014 06:57:19
New era, new times. let's hope the board can appoint a manager early so that we can get some of his new player targets on board. I think it will be Sakin and maybe a few of his best players that did Chelski home and away will follow him across the water. We're probably going to lose a couple but let's not be doom and gloom, that's good business if the money is right. We've got one of the best youth academies in Europe and more world class talent will come through. Onwards and upwards.

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28 May 2014 02:34:43
I have to say, I am extremely excited at the prospect of Murat Yakin. What better way to convince those players to stay that want to play UCL than to appoint a manager who has actually coached in the UCL! Not to mention, Yakin has actually won something unlike Pochettino.

I don't want to get into 'Pochettino bashing' like many are on other forums. All I will say is that he is not as big a loss as some might think. His strength was his tactical 'Plan A' (when it worked) and his man management. Nonetheless, Adkins was a great man manager, and his sacking didn't result in an exodus of players.

Sign someone of the calibre of Murat Yakin (or even Ronald Koeman or Michael Laudrup as the betting agencies are suggesting) and Saints fans will have a lot to be excited about!

I know this isn't a rumour Eds, but would appreciate if you could post it - we could all do with a bit of positivity after the last couple of weeks we've had!

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Get excited about lennon or mackay

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