Southampton Banter Archive June 05 2015

 

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05 Jun 2015 16:01:42
EDs any truth in interest from us for sampdoria duo okara and eder?

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05 Jun 2015 23:05:07
Bournemouth was in for eder

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06 Jun 2015 17:26:06
Does anyone know much about either? I've heard that Okaka is very highly rated but only had 4 goals this season? I'm guessing he has very good link up play and technical ability?

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06 Jun 2015 19:37:51
Yeh les likes his strikers like that
How much 22 mil?

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06 Jun 2015 20:10:21
Sorry!
Bad joke st sam
Just think its papper talk at the min.

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07 Jun 2015 01:42:50
Maybe they would do a straight swap for Osvaldo. Lol

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07 Jun 2015 11:28:10
Osvaldo would probably headbutt him lol
But on a serious note eder could be a decent signing big strong frontman and his price ain't bad.

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05 Jun 2015 21:20:53
ijust hope Les Reed is at the front of the queue to sign Toby
That is one player we need to sign quickly and not um and ahh about the price
forestsaint

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05 Jun 2015 22:13:19
Mitchell will beat les to it
We only have to pay 7mil but if A Madrid won't to sell for more they only have to pay a couple mil compensation
I can easily see chelsea,spurs,paying 15mil for him.so if we have a chance toby will have to say I won't southampton and les will have to offer at least 11mil to have a chance.
but u are right we definitely need to do everything we can to sign toby.les didn't have a problem signing long but I bet that only came down to long being willing to sign for low weekly wage and I don't think toby will turn down big wages for little wages .

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05 Jun 2015 23:21:04
If he were to join Saints there's no doubt we'd offer him the highest wages possible. Also according to one journalist who's supposedly well sourced on Saints, there is an additional clause that Atletico will have to pay us a further fee for if they reject a bid by us in order to sell Toby to another team. If that is the case then a massive well done to Les Reed and others who negotiated such a clause.

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06 Jun 2015 00:43:33
Yeh according to this journalist they have to pay us 1-2mil or mabey 3mil the figure talked about keeps changing but anyway let's say they sell to spurs for 15mil then they pay us the top 3mil they still end up with 12mil witch if we work out is 5mil more that wot we have negotiated in the loan contract because this journalist reckons we have a clause to buy for 7mil.
any team will sell there assets for best price possible.
And on a side note the loan contract was till end of season and the season is over so that contract is over and toby is back with the parent club surely if there was this clause it should have been activated before the contract ended
Unless i'm missing something

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06 Jun 2015 07:51:21
We have the option to buy at the end of the season. That being after the last game, so the game time has stopped but the contract is still running until we decide against or for a perminent transfer, at that point Madrid will have to refuse the purchase and pay us compensation or sell for the nagotiated price. Either way we get a decent player for £6-7m or £2-3m for nothing.
Good business les reed

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06 Jun 2015 09:56:47
Well yeah the bit you're missing is we only have to match whatever any team bids, minus the 3 million they'd have to pay us if they were to sell to someone else. So let's say hypothetically Spurs offer £12 million, we only have to up our bid to £9 million and they should accept.

Personally I can't see why Chelsea will be interested, they have Zouma as third choice, I don't think they will block his path as he seems already very capable of playing in the top flight. Similarly with Atletico unless they decide to cash in on Godin or Miranda, they have Jimenez who is third choice, and Juan Fran as right back, so there's no guaranteed pathway there for Toby yet.

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06 Jun 2015 12:52:23
The season is over when players return the new campaign will start if this clause was there then we should have done wot we did with bertrand.
And if we pay more wot is all this talk of a clause in the contract a contract will have a date and the season is over that is why loans return to parent club.
I hope toby does sign but my personal opinion is that if we were going to we would have already done it.
Why would u have a option to buy then not buy but then pay more

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06 Jun 2015 16:33:24
I've said this before but I honestly don't believe there ever was this 1.5m buy out clause. There was nothing posted about it by the club, nor irk journos when we signed him and the rumour only started when Marca (pretty much Spain's daily star) posted about it and no one has been able to confirm it since

Anyway, no one else can sign him until atleast July 1st, so let's not panic until then

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06 Jun 2015 17:26:30
I agree with ya but one thing bertrand was brought but toby wasn't just seems strange that we had a opertunity to but didn't.becuase a player of his caliber is allways going to show his worth with regular game time.
To be honest I would love us to sell only morgan because of the noise he has made about cl football keep the rest of the team together and build on wot we have.every one can dream A.

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06 Jun 2015 19:50:48
Just have faith Southampton87 that whatever happens, whether we sell Schneiderlin, Clyne or don't sign Alderweireld the club will have replacements in mind who will do the job. It's all well and good you trying to be the realist supporter, expecting the worse in every scenario but just as Saints have a number of dilemmas to face this summer so does every other team.

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06 Jun 2015 20:23:03
Saintsfan29
I am a realist not trying to be
Schniederlin and clyne are waiting for the window to open then they will be off I ain't one of these that predict saints fc's world is going to end just that we can't keep selling and think we will be able to replace them every time .keoman was massive in what he achieved this season and he was the reason tadic and pelle joined.yes I know les negotiated but if koeman wasn't the manager these players including toby would probably not have came.

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06 Jun 2015 21:18:26
But you being a realist and what you expect will happen, is no different to me being optimistic and speculating that Clyne could sign a new deal, and that we will sign Toby. Your viewpoint is common place among the supporters, just as you'll find mine is too and at this stage there's no knowing what will happen.

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06 Jun 2015 23:44:16
Fare enough saintsfan29
I agree with u there bud

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05 Jun 2015 19:42:22
We had a good season
But in truth had the top teams played well from the start us or west ham WOULD NOT be as high in the table as we were at the start man u liverpool arsenal spurs all started slow .
So when u take that into account we dropped quite a lot of point's at the end of season and we would have been lower in the table before the end but luck was with us and a inform mane pulled us through .we had a good season but luck helped us a lot .this season will be different so fans look at the real picture .we played well against the top teams as usual but didn't perform well against the teams that are truly in our quality .same old story we played well but end of season position flattered us but deluded fans think different

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05 Jun 2015 20:10:24
Right, so just to be clear, are you saying we didn't deserve to be in 7th place? And if some of us think we did we are deluded fans?

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05 Jun 2015 20:38:58
What a great way to sum up our highest ever premier league finish.

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05 Jun 2015 20:40:02
Nothing to do with deserve
It was more trying to explain we capitalized on other teams performing below there standard at the start of the season.
If u look at the fixtures we lost to the lesser teams and got good results against the better teams.so if the better teams started as they finished we would have been less likely to pick up them points.have I explained myself or do I need to say it differently

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05 Jun 2015 20:42:42
I forgot to mention everton had a bad season because of Europe and swansea made us sweat

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05 Jun 2015 20:43:54
personally think we were unlucky not to finish higher and if we had another goal scorer in the team who knows

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05 Jun 2015 21:21:03

we also had a slump in form, only ours was after xmas.
pretty sure every single team has a bad patch during a season.

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05 Jun 2015 21:53:39
so we capitalised on other teams' drops in form and they didn't really capitalise on our drop in form and this is different from how any other league works, how?

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05 Jun 2015 21:54:00
Ok so the so called top teams started slowly but we finished the season poorly. If we had finished as we started then we could have quite easily finished in the top 4 irrespective of the other teams. Do I make myself clear or do I have to explain that a different way?

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05 Jun 2015 22:02:41
We also had a slump every time we played a lesser team
Apart from sunderland and villa who played unbelievably poor

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05 Jun 2015 23:00:44
Teejay saint you're smoking greasy chips we started good then xmas we were poor then we had a couple of good results then flopped again if the top teams started good as they normally do and kept it up all the way through we would be no where near them swansea would be above us and so would everton if it wasn't for them in europe.
And all the leagues below us change constantly top teams get promoted and bottoms teams get relegated in the prem top teams improve year after year and stay in the league and only the worst get relegated then they get replaced with the better teams from the championship so the championship don't have a top six do they that is how the prem is different to our other leagues we have always got front runner's in the prem

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05 Jun 2015 23:03:32
And to say something for u teejay
we over achieved and the others under achieved that's how it seemed to fans like u we had a chance of top 4

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05 Jun 2015 23:47:34
southampton87, teams will overachieve and underachieve every season it's not that unusual, it's what makes the premier league one of the best competitions in the world as even the bottam teams can beat the top teams and teejay is right, if we finished the season how we started it's likely that we would've finished in the top 4 as we were 4th at the halfway point of the season. It's not deluded to think we've deserved to finish 7th, it's more than well deserved

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06 Jun 2015 00:53:12
St sam
There allways have and allways will be a top chelsea manu manc arsenal liverpool spurs that is allways how they finish and usually they start like that to but don't forget Newcastle swansea everton are usually there or there about aswell
Man u have just replaced moyes who flopped and man u had a slow start liverpool beat us first game but then stutterd for a few games if liverpool and united start how they allways have then even the most faithful saints fan will say we wouldn't be holding on to a top 4 up to xmas

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{Ed007's Note - There's a lot can happen between now and the sesaon starting but if Liverpool go into next season with Brendan Rodgers still there and Southampton sign 1 or 2 quality players I'd be quietly confident of finishing above Liverpool if I were a Southampton fan. I think Liverpool are verging on a serious crisis the way things are going and you've got as good a chance as anyone of taking advantage of that.
I'm not convinced that if Rodgers starts the season as their manager he'll stil be there come May, changing manager mid season can work if you're fighting for survival but I can't see it working in the EPL at teams chasing a CL spot. Has any team ever done it in England, changed manager mid season sitting 5th to 8th and qualified for the CL?}

06 Jun 2015 00:58:41
13 teams finished the season with less points than us so obviously we deserved to finish 7th

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06 Jun 2015 16:10:19
Ed 07 cheers for the vote in confidence but we already have a small squad and if we do qualify for Europe we will have to dig very deep.
I think the board will have to buy a lot of players and that is with what squad we have already if we lose clyne schniederlin and possibly more we will find it real hard
Look at everton
And brenda didn't do to badly when they had Hannibal, this season they had a injured sturridge and a badly out of form mario that would damage any team.

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{Ed007's Note - I don't know mate, if I was a Liverpool fan I'd be worried about Sterling leaving and the money just getting wasted like the Suarez fee and with Sturridge injury history you can't be 100% confident of getting a full season out of him. I'd have more faith in Koeman than Rodgers and their committee to get replacement players in and I'm sure Koeman will know your squad is a bit light numbers wise and will strengthen it in the coming months.}

06 Jun 2015 17:14:39
Cheers ed07 I believe keoman is the better options to but wot i'm worried about is will the board back him in the way he needs .and I also agree with both of your sterling and sturridge comments.
Cheers for time taken anyway mate. and cheers for all other poster's opinion I don't disagree in truth with what anyone has said.
If u just look at the clubs that have made it top six they have invested massively a club needs that or at very least we needed to keep the talented youngsters at the club not sell but then again I don't think there is many clubs that can afford to turn down them type of offers

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{Ed007's Note - Well if Southampton make the Top 4 next season I'll be looking for an all expenses paid invite down for a CL match.... ;)

06 Jun 2015 19:35:56
Will a quarter or semi final do I would say final but I think fifa might won't a bigger stadium to host it.
Lol
Cheers for time anyways ed07

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{Ed007's Note - No worries mate, a Celtic v Southampton CL Final at the Aviva in Dublin it is lol.}

06 Jun 2015 20:14:28
Yes get in!
Lol

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{Ed007's Note - You better start saving your pennies - remember you're paying! And I mean pennies, a penny a week should do it, you'll have a long time to save.}

06 Jun 2015 21:00:59
Already started piggy bank is looking good!
Cheers

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{Ed007's Note - Good lad.}

05 Jun 2015 17:18:14
Good news, the boca president has said that they want to keep Osvaldo! Said they'd either want to renew the loan, sign him permanently or swap players, so hopefully we can finally get him off our wage bill!

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05 Jun 2015 18:29:47
the footballing gods have truely favoured us this year. hope this is true and good riddence.

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05 Jun 2015 19:24:31
Boca won't pay anything for Osvaldo. Saints should push for a swap for young striker Jonathan Calleri. Doesn't need a work permit as he's got an Italian passport. Everybody wins - even if he doesn't settle like our last few South American imports, he'll have some sell on potential (Arsenal, among a number of European clubs, have been interested in him).

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05 Jun 2015 19:26:38
Boca's president said in the article that we all see was
He will do a player exchange or renew loan nothing about buying him
Lol if you're going to copy something u see don't add rubbish to it.
Osvaldo being sold would be good
Osvaldo on loan till his contact run out wot good is that for southampton fc apart from losing 15 mil we may as well just give clyne to liverpool and tell them to keep the cash .
Deluded fans lol

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05 Jun 2015 20:51:15
“We will talk with Southampton because we would like to keep him,” does this not suggest a permanent deal?

“We will ask, or renewal of the loan, or exchange with other players." he says or renewal of the loan, which means an alternative, so it does suggest a permanent deal. I never said I thought a loan would be good, I have said in the past that I'd rather play him then loan him out again and I don't really understand where your thing about Clyne came from.

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05 Jun 2015 22:00:14
It was written like that because it was translated from Argentinian to English and words said often translate differently when repeated in English.
The reason I mentioned clyne was because we are selling at roughly the same price we bought osvaldo for but we have loaned him out time and time again.teams no we don't whant him so they just borrow him and only pay a bit of his wages instead of forking out the best part of 10 million and then offering him a contract they will have to pay.
We need a good striker but wot team will loan us a good striker and pay half of his wage for him to do so not one.
We may aswell sign clyne for 5 years at 70 thousand a week then loan him to liverpool and still pay half the wages for them.seems more like KL hated that cortese brought osvaldo so much that she ordered yes man les to offload him no matter how much is lost.and I also believe when we were in a scrap for top 4 KL wasn't willing to fork out wot it would cost to make us competitive for champions League so didn't buy a striker in jan when pelle was under performing.

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05 Jun 2015 23:55:04
Ok I think I understand, Osvaldo's on a large wage and we're still paying parts of that, I agree he needs to be sold, it's sensible not to invest in January as the prices are massively inflated, whilst agree we did need investment to have got us through that second half of the season. Having a self sufficient club is the boards aim, they've made that quite clear, I'm hoping the financial benefits of Europe and the media attention benefits will make the board consider investing a bit more. Only time will tell

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05 Jun 2015 10:06:54
My thoughts on this upcoming silly season.
We are likely to lose 2 first team players Plus a surprise 1st team player will also leave. (Its just a guess!)
A lot of people on here will panic. (Thats a given)
We will replace with quality, get at least one signing in that is wanted by clubs above us.
Make a couple of very shrewd loan signings late on in the window.
Tomorrows post from me, as per how it is with all the papers at the moment, will contradict everything that is written above.

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05 Jun 2015 16:28:41
I don't think anyone will panic this season, last year was extraordinary circumstances and therefore unless 6/7 players leave most of us will have faith the club can adequately replace them.

I was one of those panicking like mad last year, but I have to say they did very well in not only replacing MoPo for RoKo but also the other players.

The main gripe for me was it was clear to most of us that another striker was needed and in all honesty that was probably the difference between us finishing top 4. Due to goals drying up.

We still have not replaced Lallana IMO, we need someone in the centre with a bit of flair, pick locking and the balls to shoot from outside the box.

If Clyne does leave it will be frustrating after selling chambers to see 2 young english players sold only to bring in a cheap foreign alternative but football is a business these days and unfortunately we are not in the financial position a lot of our fans seem to think we are.

The fact KL ha has to inject 20m cash in the form of a loan says it all to me.

We are still the toast of the country in how to run a football club even after last years "summer exodus". So massive compliments to the board and Les Reed (who I abused to no end last year).

Europa League is massive for us and I am just praying we get to the group stages with Borrusia Dortmund and Bordeaux due to family links. Dortmund away would be incredible for the fans and players.

KL is turning out to be a bit of ledge. Long live the Queen.
Thank you Markus for the wonderland.
COYR
#WeMarchOn.

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05 Jun 2015 17:34:09
If the money in the league didn't do much for us wot is 20 mil loan going to do.
And the only reason she loand money to our clubs is so interest on repayment will be lower just means kl ain't interested in making the team better.
And wot u said about 3 first team players leaving is no different to wot I posted earlier only difference is u didn't name the players u believe will leave,clyne,schniedrlin,fonte or wanyama.

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05 Jun 2015 17:34:58
Les reed is a yes man just wot KL wonts

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05 Jun 2015 19:07:00
The 20 mil loan was to pay off a loan that Cortese took out in 2012 which we needed to repay, otherwise we'd HAVE to sell players

Here's a quote about that loan;
"the new loan has been used to pay off a £19 million loan that was taken out in 2012 to the Vibrac Corporation, a company based in the British Virgin Isles that has provided finance to several other Premier League clubs. It means that Southampton’s entire debt of just under £50 million is now ‘soft’ in that it is owed only to the owner"

I don't see how Katharina taking on all of the clubs debt herself is her not wanting to make the team better. Nah, somehow it's all a scheme to extract as much money as possible before selling the club

Katharina, Les Reed and Ralph Krueger (along with the rest of the board) have done a fantastic job and I can't believe some people still slag off the board after all they've done in the last year

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05 Jun 2015 19:31:11
I'm not sure about panicking, cyprussaint, but I think Saints are going to have to do more business than they (publicly) seem to think. Four key players (GK, RB, CB, CM) are probably going to have to be replaced, plus the two loans, Elia and Djuricic, just to end up with a squad as thin as last season's.

I'd think two or three more signings are required on top of that if they want to improve the depth - which they're going to have to do, with European commitments. That's a lot of work ahead for Les Reed and his Black Box.

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05 Jun 2015 20:33:00
thanks for posting that saintysaintsaint. couldn't be arsed digging it up for someone who is stating other fans are deluded, when they are personally trying to claim KL has no interest in making the team or the club better. total bollocks. we are extremely lucky to have KL.

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05 Jun 2015 22:27:05
Yes KL loan here team money to pay off a loan.the reason is all down to the higher interest that would have been paid overall so to dodge that she loan 20mil to here own club to pay that loan quicker meaning it saved here money in the long run but done nothing for our team it was for here business books to look better.and with the loan she loand us will have a much cheaper interest so it's down to save her money witch is all she cares about Money,money,money
Not because I love my team
Look at hull the chairman finaced his team didn't loan his team money there is a difference same as abromivic did chealsea and man c chairman did for them.there is fair play but a team can receive a big donation witch will help
So if KL cares and loves our club why is she loaning us money to pay of a loan just to dodge interest payments

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05 Jun 2015 23:51:14
No, it's not to dodge interest payments, she's taken the loans herself, she's paying the interest herself.

The 19million loan caused by Cortese would have been paid off by profit made by the club but the club wouldn't have been able to pay the repayments and thus would have HAD to sell players in order to keep a positive cash flow, by Katharina taking on the debt herself, yes she's paying her own money to pay off a club debt caused by Cortese (not really saving herself money there is she?), it means the club can carry on as it was. So, yes, she has done something for the club by taking the debt on herself.

Clubs should be self sufficient businesses, if an owner has to inject money into the club it's ALWAYS a loan, otherwise it would just become a money pit for them, she's done nothing different. It's nothing to do with how much money she can make from the club or any other conspiracy theory that you seem to have hung on to from last summer

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06 Jun 2015 00:06:34
And look where Hull are! Chelsea were always a big club and Man City would never have become that good that quickly had the FFP rules been in place when their owner took over. Les and KL have done a fantastic job of rebuilding a club that should've been relegated given how our already small squad was ripped apart last year. They must be doing something right, if you compare wages I think we had the 3rd/4th lowest wage bill in the league, now translate that to a 7th place finish? That shows how well run we are, when on our wage bill we should on paper be sitting around the relegation zone, also remember we were in league 1 not long ago and during her ownership we've risen to 7th in the prem. can't be that bad can she?

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06 Jun 2015 01:02:18
I take it all fans have forgot this statement les made about us having to pay of debts at the start of the season when we sold lallana lambert lovern chamber's shaw
Ill repeat wot he said 'with the money we receive from player sales we will re invest into the team and paying of outstanding debts that is owed witch by doing so will leave us in good shape for seasons to come .his words not mine tv money ,league position money ,lambert 4mil ,lallana 20mil lovern 20mil,chamber's 10mil shaw 2mil

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06 Jun 2015 01:07:44
If u remember when we were in league one we still had lallana scheiderlin and we bought lambert clyne fonte add that to wot we had and we had a real strong squad thanks to Marcus not Katherine

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06 Jun 2015 01:13:50
She loan us a loan to pay off a loan she still wants that money back
She loand it to us not give to us
And all its down to is it is cheaper to loan a part of her bussiness here own money than it is to borrow from a third party

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06 Jun 2015 02:49:26
I get the sense that some fans wouldn't be happy unless KL wrote the club a blank cheque.

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06 Jun 2015 13:46:02
And under KL we have signed, Clyne, Bertrand, Cork, J Rod, Wanyama, Tadic, Pelle, Mane, Forster.

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06 Jun 2015 16:25:45
Jrod cork and clyne and wanyama were brought when no one even new who KL was cortese was the reason they are or were here .and the other five were brought when we sold all players last year
St sam

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06 Jun 2015 16:27:49
Some fans were happy with a man called marcus who made sure we had what we needed .and he will allways have the respect of all fans.KL is not that same person.

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