06 Feb 2014 21:20:16
What are odds Poch says Cork needs a rest on Saturday?
Or will it be Vic needs game time to get back up to speed?
Either way same result I fear.
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Wanyama, probably will play the first half and he should do, bring Cork on for him for the second half and use his pace against a tired and slow team.
Anyway why is it such a problem who plays? We're lucky to have 3 great players there, support whoever gets the shirt, after all the name on the front is more important than the name on the back.
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What is wrong with you guys, Vic plays awful, cork plays well and most of you still say Vic should start. What about earning the right to wear the shirt? All we're doing is p***ing off a player who's done well for the club in favour of one who still has lots to prove. We're going to lose good players if we're not careful because they don't get a fair chance, so they'll go elsewhere. It sucks, sorry but it does
We need players like Wanyama, he breaks up the play and is protection for the style we play.
Wanyama should at least play one half, if he plays the first it'll stop Stoke getting through, they'll tire by trying and Vic can impose himself on them and tire them even more, then Cork can come on and punish them with his quickness, if he plays the second he can make sure we don't concede if we're in the lead, surely that's win-win?
You say about earning the shirt but how do you know that Vic isn't one of the best in training? Maybe Cork doesn't work hard in training? Maybe Vic has earned the right to start over Cork. Why not try giving him a chance rather than jumping on his back just because he's got the nod?
How do you know Cork is p*ssed at sitting on the bench? Maybe he sees the bigger picture and understands he has his uses in this team and so does Wanyama? You have no idea what goes on behind the scenes
Wanyama has a lot to work on, yes, but so does Cork - neither player is perfect. Wanyama can prove a lot by playing, yet you won't give him the chance, you're so blinded by the dislike of him playing over your precious Cork you can't see the great stuff he does.
Jesus, most fans of other clubs would be stoked on having 3 players as good as Morgan, Jack and Vic, but no not you, you have to slate one because the squad is being rotated to keep everyone fresh and injury free? that's absolutely mental.
I like all three, they each bring something different, each have their strengths and each have their weaknesses. If Cork and Morgan play together, I'm happy. If Wanyama and Morgan play together, I'm happy. If Wanyama and Cork play together, I'm happy. Shouldn't you be?
Cork played less minutes than Guly for us up until Wanyamas injury. Is that keeping the squad rotated and fresh?
Well, it's known MoPo likes players who work hard and he won't play someone who doesn't put the work in during training, so what does that tell you?
Cork was rested vs Fulham (as MoPo said, there's no conspiracy theory, he wasn't lying, don't worry, put your tin foil hat back on), we avoided an injury and gave Wanyama some much needed game time, I'd call that rotation - we'll probably do the same vs Stoke, which again, I will call rotation.
What would happen if Cork or Morgan were injured and we had to play a completely unfit Wanyama against the big sides? That would increase his chance of injury and we'd be vulnerable and then you'd probably slate MoPo for not giving Wanyama game time. You can't win with you who just want to moan about something.
Only Cork that needs a rest?
Give it a rest!
Well, as someone above me said, he played less than Guly then thrown straight into playing every week so yeah it's probable that he needed a rest
It doesn't appeal to the owner regarding spending money on future signings if we do not play wanyama who cost 12m.
Spider doesn't need a rest or any of the other players who've been regulars since August?
And if you've spent £12m or more you've got to play them right?
Osvaldo, Gaston etc.
This is just a Wanyama love fest and the thing that I don't get is that if he'd been brilliant I'd agree with you but he hasn't. To me he looks like he should be hoofing it and barging into people in the Championship.
J'rod gets loads of comments for and against as do most other players but Vic the Big Lump, no one can say anything negative against him because he's either adjusting to the premiership, his team mates, he's injured or he needs match time. It's one excuse after another. I just don't get it?
But then I thought Ossie was overpriced, and overrated and waste of time and effort and how wrong I was about him.
Can't wait to see Big Vic and Big Andy wrestling, that's tiki taka all day!
What are you on about?! Before his injury he was fantastic and is the main reason behind our defensive record, re-watch the games from the beginning of the season and you'll see. You can't expect a player to come back from 2 months injured and be completely up to speed, if Lovren comes back and he's not completely up to speed are you going to moan then? No because you're hypocritical and just want to moan at the players you don't like. We have 3 fantastic players, why moan when one starts over the other, why not be happy about the quality we have there? Jesus.
Wanyama should be playing in the Championship? Would that be along with Lallana and J-Rod? Let's not forget they're not up to prem standard shall we.
If we're to push on and become a top 6 team we need to be able to rotate, are you going to moan about that every week?
Cork hasn't been a regular since August, he's only been in the team regularly since just before xmas, his fitness level wouldn't be as high at that point as the other players, yet he's had to keep up with them. Most of the other players have also been subbed, Lallana was being brought off for Ramirez, Lambert hasn't played every week, JWP and Davis haven't played every week - they've had breaks. It's completely probable Cork needed a rest or maybe, just maybe he needed a rest because he took a knock in training and wouldn't have made 90mins anyway?
It's not a 'Wanyama love in' it's being happy we have 3 great players there and being happy with whichever pair start. Wanyama is not a perfect player (nor are any of our players though), if someone criticises him for something he genuinely needs to work on (his long passing for example) then that's fair enough, much the same as if someone moans about Cork being caught on the ball a lot and having to play his way out of it making things harder for himself (which he does) or Morgan's shooting or J-Rod being able to score fantastic goals but missing 4 out of 5 'easy' ones or Shaw's lack of a right boot and his injuries or Boruc's inconsistency or Lambert's form being patchy this season or Ramirez's haircuts. But to hate on a player just because he's started? and allowing us more of a 'plan b' (which you obviously moan about too) what's the point in that?
Rubbish. you're talking nonsense.
It's OK for Cork to be dropped straight away for £12m Vic back in August and Corky has to be patient for his "turn" in the "rotation system".
Cork only plays when Vic is injured, that's not rotation.
Vic returns from injury and straight back into the team despite three MOTM performances on the trot from Cork. Bet that impressed Cork who's contract is running down.
And how does Vic do on his return? Awful!
I'm just pointing out that it's not rotation, because Corky only gets a chance when Vic isn't available and it's not related to form because he gets dropped on the back of outstanding performances.
Some muppet suggests it must be because Cork isn't as fit as the rest of the squad because he hasn't played regularly since August, how can that be true?
Corky will be less fatigued than the rest. Poch says Cork needs a rest, so the lemmings believe him.
You lot love Vic and so does Poch.
Poch will more than likely leave this summer, Cork won't be long after because why would he stay if he doesn't get a fair chance? How would you feel if you bust a gut, got MOTM last three games then got dropped to watch Vic make a right hash of it?
The answer is you'd feel s**t.
So come next August I hope Vic has adjusted to the speed of the premiership, sorted his weight and fitness levels, improved his passing and concentration considerably and the new manager likes him!
Having said all that I wouldn't be surprised to see him linked with a move away because his agent agreed the deal with Cortese and Poch.
Happy days.
Why are you arguing? It's pathetic we have 2 quality holding players in Vic and Cork, Vic clearly isn't just a big lump as he was great at the start of the season, he's a big lump that played a big part in us having the tightest defense in the league! He's just come back from injury so needs game time to get sharp again which I agree he lacked at Fulham, but better to play him against a struggling team like Fulham who we should beat then a team higher in the league. Both are quality players and it shows we have a good depth of squad in that position, same with RB, Chambers and Clyne are both solid and we know whoever plays will do a job, same with Cork and Wanyama, anyway tactically don't you think Wanyama should start against a very physical Stoke side? Surely it would suit him?
Cork wasn't dropped straight away? Wanyama was ready for the WBA game and only returned to the bench against Arsenal.
Wanyama wasn't injured against WBA, Sunderland, Arsenal and Fulham and I seem to remember Cork getting game time
muppet for being happy about having 3 quality DM's and being able to spend £30 on going to a football match only to come home and not moan? omg I must be a massive muppet. riiiight i'm the muppet.
Wanyama wasn't put straight back into the team as I've already said above (see it?). He wasn't awful on his return at all. His short passing was great and he imposed himself quite a bit, he wasn't quite up to pace, no but what do you expect from a player who was out for almost 3 months? That ages for a footballer. Try wiping the tears away because Cork hasn't started and you might see the good things Wanyama does, rather than just focusing on the bad things until that's all you remember.
Cork would be less fit if he hasn't had game time. It's why players who've been injured aren't quite up to the same standard as they were before the injury even though they've been in training for weeks and why teams look sluggish in the first couple weeks of pre-season. Playing regularly is the only thing that can make you match ready. Imagine a 100m sprinter running a marathon, trying to keep up with the leaders the whole time. That's what Cork has been doing. It's completely plausible that he needed a break. You have no idea what goes on in training. So, it's possible Cork needed the break, it's possible he had a knock, it's possible he had a cold/flu, that IS possible, correct? A 'rest' doesn't just mean he's not fit and not everything has to be some huge conspiracy theory, maybe just maybe MoPo was being truthfu (shock I know!) keep taking the crazy pills, kid.
There's a reason 'we' and MoPo 'love' Wanyama and that is because he's a quality player. We aren't blinded by our dislike of him. MoPo has until the end of next season left on his deal and i'm guessing he won't be sacked so he more than likely won't be leaving.
It's also well known that MoPo won't play someone who doesn't work hard in training, maybe that is why Cork wasn't getting game time? Maybe Cork has an injury like Lambert's back injury that he's had for the last couple of seasons - maybe it was possible for him to play a few mins but it would have risked further injury
Have you read Cork's interview from this week at all? He's pretty optimistic about his future and likes being at the club - he doesn't sound like a player who want's to leave and was happy when we turned down Swansea's bid.
Wanyama was great before he got injured and WAS the main reason for our defensive record. He'll be back to being great and full fitness with game time, but God forbid he actually plays in case Cork cries about it right?
I suppose if we buy a new CB in the summer you're going to moan that Fonte isn't getting a fair chance
Why is it so hard to accept that we have 3 great players in that position (something that we're going to need going forward) and be happy with whatever pairing plays