25 Jan 2015 18:51:07
Oh no! Looking like Clyney is off to Manc U.
Why would we do this now? Sam Byram would be a good replacement in three years time, but why lose one of our best and most consistent defenders at a time where we have a genuine chance of pushing for Europe? Hope this is duff reporting.
25 Jan 2015 20:47:53
If the summer taught us anything it's don't believe it's true till that Daily Mail gob*hite Neil Ashton says it is.
25 Jan 2015 22:48:55
can't see this happening in January, possibly in the summer if we don't make CL and they do
Shaw was worth £30+ million to them, if we're going by that fee then Clyne's got to be worth what £40mil? I know most of the Shaw price was because he's young, but Clyne's only a couple of years older.
Prices are always inflated Jan, you can probably add another 5-10mil on top of what he's worth for a Jan transfer. Are utd going to pay £45mil for him? Not if they think they can get him for 20, if I was Clyne I'd be feeling pretty disrespected by that.
Les Reed is the man to have on your side in these situations, can't see him doing anything to jeopardise our season after working that hard during the summer and it paying off so well so far.
As for who to replace him? Poss Rafeal + money for Clyne? Is Rafeal any good? Another Bertrand?
Byram would be decent, like to see him in as back up before throwing him in the deep end though
Chris Solly? Santon? Both can play either side
25 Jan 2015 23:24:21
Well, Saints don't have a lot of choice in the matter if Clyne won't sign a new contract. He holds all the cards - if he wants to leave he'll have no trouble forcing through the transfer as Saints won't risk losing a £20+million asset for free by making him stay another year.
Not a lot you can do about it.
25 Jan 2015 23:59:58
Ok seems to me that Clyne is playing the waiting game. As a huge saints fan I personally think he should sign straight up for the next ten years but with most people whatever industry we work in if we could double / treble and so on our wages and play for one of the biggest sides in the world then I'm pretty sure we would at least give it more the a second thought!!
My main hope is looking at what we are trying to achieve here and tHe board / management we have in place to make it happen plus the current results of players who left in the summer are getting might make Clyne think twice. Then again money talks. On the plus side 1: he stays = prefect. 2: he leaves and we get loads of money 20mil for a right back and should be replaceable for say 7mil and 13 in bank for squad/team improvement. Win win for me. Let's enjoy it as we know sir Koeman is the main reason where we are
26 Jan 2015 10:14:57
£45million?! Hahahahaha, what world are you living in?
Why not, what are you paying falcau for his services. you're not very good at the business side of things, with the money you spent you should be top of the league
26 Jan 2015 15:48:55
What does Falcao have to do with the amount we would pay for a young up and coming RB? Don't embarrass yourself any further.
26 Jan 2015 17:56:05
£30million for Shaw, best business Saints have ever done. What world are you living in? If you were willing to pay that for an unproven 18 year old LB with very potential weight issues and an inability to play your system, what is the finished article worth?
26 Jan 2015 18:06:25
I think he is living on the same world that the management team were who paid £30 million for Luke Shaw
26 Jan 2015 18:46:47
If none of you can differentiate between Luke Shaw and Nathaniel Clyne then I really can't help any of you. Sorry for confusing you all.
26 Jan 2015 19:29:10
Clyne IS the better player and arguably has the talent to BE better. He's more versatile since he can play on both sides and looks like he'd be comfortable playing further forward (probably on both sides again). He's young, English and an international player (albeit one game, still more than Shaw when he moved though) There's no reason why he wouldn't cost a lot more if we were to sell him now
26 Jan 2015 20:13:53
If he is sold for more than Shaw I will come back and eat crow. But do you really think a young rb with one year left on his contract will go for £45million? Take off the Southampton shades and be realistic.
27 Jan 2015 09:54:21
Seems to me that we are all still accepting that we will be the staging post for player transfers to what they call the next level, unfortunately I think this was inevitable. The problem is with this accepted strategy when will we be ever a stable top half of the table side ? I suppose this situation is the result of being a successful smaller club in the PL. Unless our strategy changes and increased financial contracts with the players are negotiated to bring us more in line with the big boys this yo yo effect will continue for the foreseeable future and with that reduce the attraction for top players to join our club. It is a difficult equation to work out however the financial structure of the club has to be paramount to the dilemma and continue our slow but sustained growth. In other words we may have to wait some time to be included in the top club bracket.
27 Jan 2015 13:43:49
red rosie with regards to Falcao and being embarrasesd. By the end of the season man u will have paid 24 million in loan and wages fee's. that's 24 million for a player who does not belong to utd.
Tell us how may goals has he scored and how many times has he been on the bench?
Please let us know the 'difference' between clyne and shaw as defenders. if utd do want him then there is little doubt in my mind that that a fee of around 25 million would not be unrealistic for an england international and a player rated very highly by observers of the game. You paid 28 million for shaw who was 18 at the time! so come on what is the difference.
What will be embarrassing is if your transfer policy of spending 150 million pounds during the summer does not bring you champions league football.
For us as saints fans it is great fun at the moment and will have been a brilliant season even if we finish out of the top four. For utd it is a very different feeling these days is it not.
27 Jan 2015 14:42:52
golac, I feel like you have missed the point. Falcao has absolutely nothing to do with anything I have said. We were discussing Clyne and how he is not worth £45million and how I disagree that MUFC or any club would pay near that amount for him. As you all seem to insist upon pointing at Falcao I'll give you my opinion - Poor bit of business that was high risk/high reward. Unfortunately for us the high reward is yet to come, and may not come at all.
Again as you insist upon talking about our fee for Shaw (despite the fact that we were dicussing Clyne). Shaw cost us so much because he is 18, English and had a lot of time left on his contract, you held all the cards - good business on your part. Regardless it seems you haven't read the thread properly. I agree Clyne would probably cost someone somewhere between £20-25 million this summer, but that's not the fee I'm laughing at. £45 million was the fee suggested by 'saintysaintsaint' and that's what I deem to be entirely unrealistic. Perhaps read the thread before getting so irate you feel the need to pick apart Man United's transfer policy in a failed attempt to irritate me. I have not said a single bad thing about Southampton FC.
It would be embarrassing if we didn't make the Champions league I agree. Still not relevant to Clyne.
I like Southampton, I am pleased you have done so well after losing so many players last year, I simply laughed at the idea that Clyne would be worth £45 million and you all got weirdly upset. Do me a favour, find a non Southampton supporter mate, ask them if anyone will pay that much for Clyne and then get back to me.
27 Jan 2015 15:06:53
You're clearly talking at cross purposes. Neither of you are wildly inaccurate with your assertions, imo. You can therefore now kiss and make up.
27 Jan 2015 15:30:43
Hugs and kisses all round.
27 Jan 2015 19:01:01
Going to get a smack but I agree with red rosie this difference of opinion has nothing to do with club rivalry in any way. The point he/she is making applies whoever you support and to actually imagine Nathaniel Clyne to be worth 45m pounds is just fantasy talk, it is good banter though and should be good humoured as well. Love football don't you, what else could stir the emotions like this. The main problem with the top players in the PL is purely down to their scheming money grabbing agents ( looking after themselves primarily ) who basically control them and any decision that is made is by the agent not the player.
28 Jan 2015 01:47:11
Clyne is not worth 45 million shaw was 18, clyne is 23 and shaw out shone clyne when he was there, he has gone backwards atm but he still has huge potential, 20 - 25 million for clyne i agree with though as a saints fan i wouldn't be happy to sell him at that.
The value of a player is often different to the fee paid especially nowadays with man utds desperate transfer policy. but 20 million up to 35 million is definitely the top and bottom regions of the sort of fee that will probably be agreed. 30-35 million and saints have done very very well.
I think Clyne will regret leaving saints tho if he does shouldn't sacrifice his potential for money look at shaw lovren, lambert and lallana all gone backwards since there moves the only one who looks just as good has been chambers because he's getting the game time but that only because debuchy injured. But the reality is they want the money and who can blame them really if there doubling/tripling/quadrupling there wages. I say i wouldn't move from a club i like for money but who knows till the offer is in your face.
28 Jan 2015 07:12:09
We are not a club that will pay inflated salaries to these players so we have to accept that we'll lose some of them. However as long as we stick to this policy we will never realistically be able to compete with the big boys. I think we just have to face it to be a big boy we have to have a 50,000 plus stadium that sells out every match and a board that will throw silly money around just to be successful. I am a afraid that is never going to happen with Saints regardless of where we finish in the league table. On a happy note with the regime in charge at the moment I am pretty sure we will never be fighting against relegation again. We will just be best of the rest and that will do me.
28 Jan 2015 10:49:09
Agree with what Chris and dave have written about the saints above regarding clyne and his potential transfer and also of course the points on how our club is run these day's. Brilliantly is the word to describe it.
Rosie did not what to upset you but did feel that saintysaint in terms of discussion on transfers and clyne made some good conversation points and do not believe that he or most our supporters would believe for moment we would get 45 mill for him.
However in the new real world of SFC we will get the market price and will not be selling our great young players on the cheap to anyone.
Did feel that the comment 'hahahah what world are you living in' regarding sainty's comments was a bit harsh as he was only making general points.
I came to his defence as a fellow supporter who like all the saints fans on this site have a love and a passion for their club and sainty's comments bear that out.
With regards your striker Mr F he was introduced into the conversation (not by me ) as an analysis of your comments regarding 'what world are you living in' in regard to clyne's transfer fee.
I think it is at this moment in time a good analysis because if a team as stated, can pay 24 mill on a player they have on loan for season rising to 72 mill if they choose to buy him then 25 mill for one of the best right backs in the prem in comparison looks like a bargain. And yes he may come good. No offence meant good luck for the rest of the season.
anyone have any news on the dutchman at celtic we may be interested in.
28 Jan 2015 12:19:02
My only point that I stand by (and that I can't believe I'm having to argue) is that £45 million for Clyne is both laughable and unrealistic. That's it. Nothing to do with Falcao. Nothing really to do with Southampton.
You don't need to come to a fellow fan's defence if their point is ridiculous. MUFC fans say silly things all the time, and I call them out on it, as I have done here. Nor do you need to attack MUFC or any of the business they are doing (good or bad) or have done. It is simply my comment as a football fan on another football fan's opinion of a player's value. There is not a club in the world who would in this transfer window pay £45 million for Nathaniel Clyne. If you can't keep the discussion to that and that alone then it's not worth discussing at all.
28 Jan 2015 13:32:20
Clyne will NOT be sold this window.
That is known, so why the debate??
If he is sold in the summer, and Utd. are bidding for him what is also known is that RoKo will do LVG absolutely NO favours. If another club competing with Saints want to strengthen and weaken Saints they will pay a high fee to do so. If it is LVG, he will pay an EXTREMELY high fee!
No, it will not just be down to RoKo but he will have a big say.
Who knows who could bid for Clyne in the summer. If Liverhampton do, his value could be astronomical!
28 Jan 2015 14:28:25
Skip around my point all you want. I don't care whether its a high fee or a low fee. I don't care if he signs for MUFC or Pohang Steelers. The ONLY thing I have said that you are STILL avoiding agreeing with me on is that nobody will pay £45 million for Clyne in this window or the next. I really don't understand why that's so hard to comprehend.
28 Jan 2015 17:22:33
All this talk about Clyne being sold whether in January or the Summer may be a bit premature do you think ? I personally haven't heard a whisper from him about wanting to move on unlike our beloved Morgan who seems to spell it out loud and clear. Morgan seems to be the golden boy and poor old Clyney has according to most of you packed his suitcase and got it waiting just outside the changing room door. He may very well move but let's just wait and see what develops first. We need to have him totally focused on doing a job for the Saints on the field and all this negative speculation is bound to affect his concentration.
29 Jan 2015 10:03:59
@RedRosie
you're right he's not 'worth' 45 mil but Shaw wasn't 'worth' 30 mil and you paid that.
Lovren wasn't 'worth' 20 and we got that, Lallana not 'worth' 30 and we got that too
What players are 'worth' and what teams actually pay are 2 different things.
by buying him 'now' in January it will take a massive sum like what I've said to prize him away, but like you said, in the summer with a year on his contract he'll likely go for about half that
29 Jan 2015 10:58:47
You are still ignoring the point. You are incredibly stubborn and a lost cause. There is absolutely no shame in admitting you are wrong. I've been wrong plenty of times. Nobody will pay £45million for Clyne. Say it with me and it will all be ok.
29 Jan 2015 20:20:03
Blimey what a debate about Clyne whether he goes or stays. One thing is for sure he won't go in the January window. Koeman and scouts already looking at possible right backs addition /replacements. Also other positional addition/replacements. Whatever happens in this transfer and summer windows Koeman will again make the right decisions. Stay focused and enjoy this seasons remarkable journey. I have followed Saints as a young boy and man for over 50 years and never been so excited as to the potential on now and the future ahead. cOYR's
{Ed002's Note - Not strikers but Tonny Vilhena is attracting the interest of Southampton, Napoli and Juventus, but Feyenoord do not want to sell before the summer.}