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31 Aug 2021 12:54:18
Deadline day and not a rumour posted!
Perhaps we've done all the incoming business or is there a rabbit to be pulled out of the hat?!
Still hoping for a GK and an attack minded central midfielder although I suspect that won't be before the January sales!


1.) 31 Aug 2021 21:00:54
Looks like we are done. Some good names still going around, McKennie, Minimino and Barclay. Any bets on Saints pulling something out of the hat late?

2.) 31 Aug 2021 23:01:42
I highly doubt it as I write at 11.01pm lol!



09 Aug 2021 20:14:54
The elephant in the room is Ralph. As I said last season, an immensely likeable man but tactically, the jury is still out. Bizarre substitutions at times, giving youngsters all of 3 or 4 mins to make an impression and that's not to mention playing people out of position.

Success for Ralph, the team and fans will be survival, a decent cup run (let's not mention the Leicester semi-final) and a squad which gain in confidence and this time next year look for a mid table plus position.
But please, let's get a keeper - everyone's saying it.


1.) 10 Aug 2021 16:34:55
I totally agree. Sometimes I feel he is a little out of his depth. Managing a club where he has NO support from his CEO or its owners must be soul destroying, so perhaps that's why he looks a little unsure.



04 Jun 2021 15:59:18
Forgive me for not doing cartwheels over Everton announcement today that Walcott is being released. There probably is a place for Theo in our squad but a two year contract seems unnecessary - 12 months and see how we go. If he turned it down then good luck elsewhere. He will have a bit part role at best next season and if history is anything to go by, much of it will be spent on the bench or in the treatment room.
Unfortunately, most of our transfer news is dominated by potential outgoing players. Fortune favours the brave - let's get active in the market, starting with a goalkeeper!




09 May 2021 19:31:00
I think the Ralph debate will rumble on but he needs to go and go now. What we do between now and the rest of the season doesn't matter much (assuming we have enough points in the bag) .
I would sooner see the youngsters get game time - how good is Lndulu for example - no one knows. And what about the lad who lasted 78 seconds on his debut at Old Trafford?

An old cliche, but if you're good enough you're old enough e. g. Danny Wallace aged 16 making his debut against Man U.
What winds me up most is Ralph insisting we were "brave" against Liverpool last night - really?! How so Ralph? Because we tried to score or because we made some tackles. That's not brave - that's their bloody job. So Ralph, great guy that you are - now is the time.

On another note I think Adams struggles without Ings alongside up top. Ings would have buried that poor clearance from Allinson. I've watched him a lot in recent weeks and his first touch isn't good enough hence he misses too many half chances. A couple of wonder goals have probably deflected the fact that he has a lot to work on. Won't fault his industry though.
I agree with the majority view - no more Walcott, Redmond, Forster, McCarthy, Bertrand and a new manager (IMO) to get the best out of JW-P, Djenepo and the youngsters.


1.) 10 May 2021 14:41:40
I agree with some of what you say but I think Forster has come on a lot. Djnenpo? I don't see it with him. Gives the ball away far too much, moves break down and we are in trouble. When was the last time he even looked like he could score a goal. We seriously need another good striker. I know Walcott will be just a signing on fee but if he is worth signing then why does Ralph keep pulling him off. see Djenepo, and Redmond for that matter.
We have some good players but not nearly enough.

2.) 12 May 2021 13:29:11
I see everyone calling for Ralph to go but let's be honest about it, who else would want to come in knowing that they have to work with what he has. It wouldn't make any difference if we had Pep come in. He would still struggle to keep us in the Premier league. Nothing will change until someone with megabucks buys the club and the chances of that happening are about zero. I think that we need at least 6 quality players brought in to make us competitive so that would be an outlay of £100 million +. That's just not going to happen. Over half of the present squad are championship players at best so to be playing next season in the Premier league is a miracle but I fear for our chances next season.

3.) 13 May 2021 09:06:37
You're off your trolley, if you really want to know how good our youngsters are look at the results, where we are in the youth leagues. Go see how well they are doing there and then decide if they can fit in.

The problem isn't Ralph at all. It's the squad he has at his disposal, we had a defensive crisis midway through the season and the team confidence took a massive hit. In my opinion we haven't recovered from. We play well most weeks but can't come away with the points unless ings is playing. It's got nothing to do with the manager. He should instruct his players to have a go at goal more a forward passing rather than coming home all the time admittedly but you are crazy if you think there is better out there on our budget. It's people like you who got Claude peul fired and he finished 8th and took us to a final.

Have a bit more loyalty in your club and people at it. We've seen lately about fan revolts she to ESL but without that squad and coaches we don't have a team to watch. Stop being so negative and get behind them. Due to finances we're a team that can only afford to avoid relegation each season but have been over achieving for years.

4.) 13 May 2021 11:30:12
SFCPhill, you need to moderate your tone if you are to engage in constructive dialogue. Football is about people and opinion. There are many people who consider Ralph tactically naive and there is supportive evidence to show why. Likewise your point about how good the youngsters are is dubious if you are looking at youth leagues. The gulf between that level is massive and as said previously, we have had lots of success blooding youngsters into the big time. At the moment, we are giving them bit parts at a time when they should be getting more minutes on the pitch.
People who have a different view to you are not disloyal - they care passionately about the club and it’s future.
I do agree with your views about the financial reality of the situation and that simply employing a new manager will be the silver bullet - it won’t. What we do need is a manager and a team who can provide a little more fight and spirit in a no shots on target semi final.

5.) 14 May 2021 01:11:49
It's nothing to do with whether or not someone is loyal to the club. I've been supporting Saints for almost 60 years through good times and bad but the fact remains that we are a very poor team and many quality players short of a half decent Premier league side. I want Saints to be competing against the best week in week out but with the present squad we will be losing heavily which affects confidence therefore making the following game even harder. Then what do we do? Bring a few U23s in and wreck their careers because they're getting badly beaten every game. Saints will only go downwards unless there is decent investment.

6.) 15 May 2021 09:14:45
I agree with those saying investment is required. There is talent there but injury problems are amplified because the depth of senior replacements is thin. The younger players do need to be improved and given game time but it feels like a couple of key injuries will cause problems all the time.




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28 Aug 2021 09:44:19
Match day musings. if the PL is divided into 3 leagues - top 6, mid 8, bottom 6 would good progress over 3 years be winning the mini league at the bottom this year, securing mid table position next season and then knocking on the door of a European spot the season after?
Given our current squad which is characterised by young and emerging talent, there is clearly potential and the next 18 months are likely to be a mixed bag; mostly cloudy with some bright spots. After that, we can expect prolonged periods of sunshine with just intermittent drizzle. Maybe not the best analogy, but that aside, would fans settle for this - a 3 year plan with success this season measured by survival and team/ squad development?
Personally, I'm never normally that patient but I do accept the views of others on this forum that as a club, there is a plan they are working to. I just hope that the man in charge proves me (and other posters) that he has the ability to see it through.
Enough of all that now - what about today? Would you take a draw now or should we aim our sights higher?
2-0 Saints - come on!


1.) 28 Aug 2021 11:45:19
I’ll start with more Ralph stats :
No clean sheet in their past 23 PL matches
Lost 11 out of 12 of their last PL away games
Lost 62 points from winning positions in the PL since Ralph took over
The man to take us forward with his ‘book’?

I’m hoping we don’t start with the same 11 from Everton and Man U.

Replace Walcott and Djenepo with Any combination of Mo, KWP or Tella

That will give us two great wings, more importantly we have removed the two players who consistently break up our own attacks by both holding on to the ball too long and giving it away. Redmond add to that list.

We need to get the ball to the front men, we also need goals from the midfield, as per the cup game.

But most importantly, if we do go behind, or the opponents change formation/ tactics, let’s hope Ralph has added the long lost missing chapter - ‘Change Tactics’.

2.) 28 Aug 2021 12:06:35
You won’t find me arguing with you on the stats. I’ve long said, great bloke, but tactically clueless and far too stubborn. I would have had Eddie from down the road in long ago.
Walcott and Redmond are hopefully squad players called upon for cup games and cover. I’m not ready to write Djenepo off just yet in spite of lack of final ball - I think he will improve, but only time will tell.
It feels a bigger game today than it should - a defeat will
mean a dismal one point from opening 3 games whereas a win would represent a decent return. For me, the acid tests is West Ham at home in a couple of weeks time. They’re a team who seem to have kicked on - we should consider ourselves on a par with them in terms of what we can achieve.

3.) 28 Aug 2021 13:16:01
The only difference is they have a tactically astute manager and we don’t!
But I’m hoping for a win today. We have the team to win this match, Newcastle bad start, so let’s go for it.
Redmond is better than Djenepo but still runs into blind alleys, still holds the ball too long, stalls attacks too much .
Tella should start every game over the other three .

4.) 28 Aug 2021 14:25:37
Djenepo starts again ….

5.) 28 Aug 2021 15:33:27
Djenepo won't want to see too many replays of his miss from 3 yards.

6.) 28 Aug 2021 16:19:20
So the second half starts, Newcastle have upped their game… we change nothing . they score .
oh we now change Djenepo.
bring on broja we need a goal!

7.) 28 Aug 2021 16:30:25
This is where Ralph is found wanting … we need to make changes.

8.) 28 Aug 2021 17:01:03
I thought that Ralph had a lightbulb moment last week but back to normal today.

9.) 28 Aug 2021 17:18:57
If you are going to play the high press, you can not give the ball away. Redmond awful at retaining possession, Diallo very sloppy . but it was a penalty 👍👍

As for Ralph . Newcastle changed their game, they simply upped their tempo, pushed up more - fundamental changes . and we changed nothing!

Mo was superb. Much better use of the ball.

10.) 29 Aug 2021 11:18:02
My faith in Djenepo was misplaced at St James yesterday - horror miss! Thumbs up to Mo whose first instinct is to go forward.
Unless we buy proven quality - someone like Winks maybe, (and of course a GK) then we may as well stick with what we have. Any more incomings will make Ralph more confused than he already is.
For the first time in many years (probably ever) I would not be able to pick the best starting XI - I do know that it wouldn’t include Stephens or Walcott or Redmond (albeit Redmond had an impact off the bench yesterday) .
If Stuart A was fit - would he start. Che is off the pace - would you rest him and start with Tella - it isn’t easy which I suppose is an indication of the strength of the bench.

11.) 29 Aug 2021 11:51:31
Redmond’s contribution was the excellent cross for our goal. Other than that it was the normal hesitant, greedy, poor decision making, poor use of the ball Redmond. His off ball contribution amounts to pointing out where others players should be, while doing nothing!
Djenepo can’t shoot, can’t cross, can’t pass, can’t hold the ball, awful distribution, runs into corners etc

If we are to progress as a team, we have to accept these two plus Walcott are not up to it. As I keep saying, playing the high press requires players who do not lose the ball or give it away; these three do that all the time.

Mo : very clever player. When he has the ball he is constantly looking for the best option. That might be back or sidewards sometimes, but rarely lost the ball or gave it away. Mo added so much to the dynamics of the team, he must keep his place.

Che is now looking off the pace, we have sped our game up and he, while an intelligent player, is not up to it.
I would have broja and Tella in the team; broja up front is a monster, Tella on the wing is menacing.

We very nearly got caught out yesterday by an opponents change of tactics and Ralph’s not reacting to it.
As you say, any more signings and Ralph will be even more confused. Dallio was the wrong person to bring on yesterday, has a habit of giving the ball away which he duly did and nearly lost us the game.

I would have pushed KWP forward and put Perraud left back.

12.) 29 Aug 2021 12:17:55
may i suggest that the real problem is the coaching staff.
we need to get a tactical coach to work with RH and give him guidance and support.

13.) 29 Aug 2021 17:09:47
Actually s h rich I agree with much of your comments re. Borja and Tella being selected to play along with KWP further forward of Livramento and Perraud restored at left back. If this proved successful JWP could end up on the bench (if Ralph has the balls) with Romeu (who has been a warrior) but has got a little slower these days and a. quality D/ M replacement required The future looks bright since SFC. assembled their best young squad for a few years (since the removal. of all the dead wood)! It would be a bonus if we could make Broja’s move permanent next season ( if not someone very similar) . I also agree with SA Saint suggestion for a tactical coach to assist Ralph ( which I also posted some months ago) . As the jury is still out the big question remains who will be at the helm when the Team shows it’s full potential? PS Apparently Pompey have a promising young Keeper—Summer 2022?

14.) 29 Aug 2021 22:15:32
Johnny st - you are absolutely right. In the squad are players who can transform this team into a powerful midfield, a fast, technical, dynamic midfield . but Ralph sees ward prowse and Romeu as the core of our team.
Like you I disagree. Prowsey is not dynamic enough, he is old school… tends to creep back and back, I’ve wondered if he is hiding a lack of fitness? But his stats show him covering a huge amount of ground. So why? Why does he think he should spend his time interpassing with the back four?
As for Romeu, way too slow, yes he’s a warrior, but the modern game can’t spare a player to be just a warrior; they need to be a scorer, a crosser, a provider… Romeu is none of these.
While we are defending Romeu is fine, but when we are in the front foot Romeu (and prowsey) serve very little purpose .
Tella should start every game …
Tino, perraud, kwp, broja, mo, too …these are the core players to take us forward .

15.) 30 Aug 2021 10:06:03
Shame we wasted money on Walcott’s wages because we could have used those to supplement the Ox’s return. I absolutely agree with comments about JWP and Romeu - you won’t create much with both of them in the middle of the park.
Whereas the Ox is always looking to turn defence into attack and is strong defensively if he need to help out.
Wouldn’t make a bad captain either if JWP finds himself on the bench.
Problem is, would Klop let him go - I doubt it.



26 Aug 2021 09:40:49
Well that's put the cat amongst the pigeons even allowing for the gulf in class.
Great to see big performances from players who are not first choice PL starters and especially Mo who may feel he has lost his way of late.
A very welcome distraction from the pressure and intensity of PL and a good night's work.
Well done to all including the sizeable following that made the trip.
Can't wait to see Saturday's starting XI.


1.) 26 Aug 2021 15:49:55
Like you said Millertime the opposition may not have been up to premier league standard but you can only play what's in front of you. It's certainly given Ralph something to think about for Saturday.

2.) 26 Aug 2021 17:34:50
Love to see Tino and Perraud, with the wing men being KWP and Mo
Two great wing combinations 👍👍.



15 Aug 2021 22:00:17
Our first half performance Saturday exceeded expectations, sadly the second half was wholly predictable. Ralph must take responsibility for his selection and use of subs - very hard to know what's going on his mind. At 1-1 do we stick or twist?
I'm just interested if I'm on my own with my view about JWP. if a £45 mil bid was made I would take it every day of the week and twice on Sunday. He contributed nothing going forward in open play on Saturday and his set pieces were ordinary. He doesn't have the pace or technical ability to go past players and he doesn't possess a 40 yard killer pass hence everything is sideways and backwards. Vestergaard offered more offensively.
So, whilst he is hero worshiped by just about every Saints fan I know, including those on this forum, I have to disagree. Take away his awesome dead ball ability and he becomes workmanlike. I suspect this will evoke a flurry of counter opinions but heh, that's football.
Ever so slightly concerned about United at home Sunday!


1.) 15 Aug 2021 23:56:54
You won’t get any objections to your JWP comments from me. He sinks deeper and deeper in each game, only coming forward for dead ball situations. His offensive play is non existent as is his midfield play.
His dead ball play on Saturday was repetitive and predictable. Vestergard couldn land the ball anywhere on the pitch and with both feet.
With Romeu being the holding midfielder, Walcott and Djenepo offering nothing, add to that JWP playing deep, our midfield is absolutely awful.
What makes it worse is that Tella, Dallio, Armstrong, KWP all sat on the bench, all capable of adding so much more as an attacking threat.
Redmond, Djenepo, Walcott and JWP. need dropping and/ or selling.

2.) 16 Aug 2021 02:48:05
Agree 100% with all of you guys accurate comments re; JWP and others plus imminent player requirements. I guess that this collapsing trait when in the lead has been evident for many months now -maybe Ralph should have a good hard look in the mirror!

3.) 16 Aug 2021 08:06:24
I am starting to think that Ralph believes in his own hype.
Once given the chance to write ‘the book’ on how Saints should play at all levels, he thinks his way is the right way.
Djenepo (and yes I go on about him) and why he has such awful stats in his PL career. No end product . we’ll ok 1 completed cross to team mates per NINE games!

Walcott, didn’t even know he was on the pitch.

But Ralph persists even with such a strong bench .

4.) 16 Aug 2021 10:33:11
I would be sad to see JWP go. I feel it’s not all his fault as he is a good 8, but he has to play as a 6 as Ralph has no Plan B. JWP would be much better as an 8 playing in front of a solid base (2 x6s? ) . If Ralph continues with his Plan A, then cash in on JWP and go get Harry Winks - a much much better 6.

5.) 16 Aug 2021 11:42:06
I was once asked by someone at SFC (new to the club) how did JWP get in the England team. My answer mirrored your sentiment. he was used as a number 8 very effectively, playing the ball around at will, controlling the centre of the park …
Sad to see him playing the number 6 role, but is it on instructions?

6.) 16 Aug 2021 12:27:23
I believe that should Villa return with a successful bid for JWP manager Dean Smith has identified and recognises that by playing Ward Prowse much further forward in his own formation would transform the player. However Ralph doesn’t appear to recognise this possibility and prefers to continue playing him in a much deeper defensive role.

7.) 16 Aug 2021 15:07:38
Go get a good No6 - spend the money. Play JWP as a No8 and bring in a free DC for cover - Gary Cahill, Mustafi, Kabak. Sorry Ralph 4:2:2:2 has been tried and hasn’t worked. I know you wrote ‘the plan’ but be honest and admit when things have to change.

8.) 16 Aug 2021 16:56:15
I’m no Football Manager (only the game) but how about 4132?
KWP Bednarek Salisu Perraud
S Armstrong JWP Tella
A Armstrong Adams.

9.) 16 Aug 2021 19:23:26
Be more than happy with that lineup Manny561 but JWP needs to start playing further forwards instead of dropping back amongst the defenders all the time. He's not half the player he was 18 months ago. We need him whipping those crosses in for Armstrong and Adams.

10.) 16 Aug 2021 22:02:14
Ralph isn’t going to change unfortunately. If he’s seen what happened so far this year, plans his sides in pre-season and sees it isn’t working in match one, and STILL doesn’t change anything, when will he ever.

He’s said the team are set up and trained to play 4-2-2-2. He says he doesn’t like a back five. Trying to work it out backwards, our best outfield players are KWP, Bednarek, Perraud, Salisu, Romeu, JWP, Adams, Armstrong, Armstrong and Livramento/ Tella. Which is probably a 4-1-3-2 or even a classic 4-4-2. We don’t have another CDM to allow JWP forward in a 4-2-3-1. If we get someone good in, maybe that’s an option.

For now, Ralph is going to make it hard for himself for absolutely no reason. KWP, Bednarek and SArmstrong played zero minutes on Saturday. Just why. They are quite literally our three best players.

United I’ll take 1-4 now. It could easily be six or so.



04 Aug 2021 22:06:17
Two second rate GKs and no 10 goal plus striker in the squad. This ain't going to end well.
Just read a post about JW-P being worth 75 mil - if Grealish is worth 100 mil. really?
I think desperation is fast becoming delusion. I just hope Ralph knows his best eleven because as I've said before, the squad looks bang average. I would take 17th spot right now - in fact I would bite your arm off.


1.) 05 Aug 2021 08:51:42
Agreed, I don't want to be negative or cynical. But the squad we put out against Levante last night had 3 decent Prem players (KWP, Adams and Romeu) . And these aren't the usual "I can see them playing for a big 6 side" type of player.

Reinvest the money wisely. I'd like to think the club has already had the replacements lined up and what we're spending the money on.



29 Jul 2021 21:10:30
Hopefully the GK coach has had McCarthy working on his mental agility and distribution at every opportunity over pre-season. He is woeful with his feet and never sees an early ball - rabbit in headlights. Forster has had his best days and has never commanded the 6 yard box.
My point is, without a decent GK we will struggle big time.
I agree about Vestergarrd - take the 25 mil and run. I think Ings goals is worth 40 mil just to keep us up.
Still don't have the foggiest idea what our strongest startling eleven is, and that's not a good sign. I wonder if Ralph is in the same boat 🤣.





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31 Aug 2021 23:01:42
I highly doubt it as I write at 11.01pm lol!




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13 Aug 2021 22:46:55
In answer to your question Pete - I’m calling 1-1. JWP pen and late equaliser. Early start in the morning but looking forward to it as never been to Goodison Park before.
Still time to get a keeper in and persuade the Ox to join us on loan.




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06 Aug 2021 14:49:27
I was thinking more Kane, but he wouldn’t be guaranteed game time in front of Redmond🤣.




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01 Jun 2021 23:33:16
I agree with you Norfolk Saint about Ings - it’s a travesty he didn’t get the nod and yes it does open up old wounds about Le Tis who would have walked into any other international side including Brazil, Argentina, Italy you name it.
But, and it’s a big but, I think you’re looking at JWP through Saints tinted glasses. I agree it’s a joke giving Henderson a place but JWP would not get in my squad either. He would only just get a place in my Saints side to be honest. Take his dead ball ability away and he’s ordinary. He contributes nothing in the last third - I cannot remember him taking a player on and beating him. Take David Beckham as an example of a dead ball specialist - he could do everything JWP does with a free kick and could change the game in open play. It maybe an unfair comparison but I would pick Mount and Grealish in front of JWP all day long.
Ings though is a different argument and as I would have him as cover for Kane at the very least - England need an impact sub and Southgate was mad to overlook him.




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13 May 2021 11:30:12
SFCPhill, you need to moderate your tone if you are to engage in constructive dialogue. Football is about people and opinion. There are many people who consider Ralph tactically naive and there is supportive evidence to show why. Likewise your point about how good the youngsters are is dubious if you are looking at youth leagues. The gulf between that level is massive and as said previously, we have had lots of success blooding youngsters into the big time. At the moment, we are giving them bit parts at a time when they should be getting more minutes on the pitch.
People who have a different view to you are not disloyal - they care passionately about the club and it’s future.
I do agree with your views about the financial reality of the situation and that simply employing a new manager will be the silver bullet - it won’t. What we do need is a manager and a team who can provide a little more fight and spirit in a no shots on target semi final.





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14 Sep 2021 00:18:02
Eddie would be an upgrade - the others are just names banded around who would make little difference.

Personally I would take Eddie right now because I have long lost faith with Ralph - nice guy that he is (God, that is getting so repetitive) .

When we finally get to win a PL game, it won’t be because of Ralph but in-spite of Ralph. Sad but true - I have yet to find anyone, and I mean anyone who would play Redmond in front of the options he has. It is also a sign of how far we have plummeted when respected posters suggest that 3 draws and a defeat is an ok return. Really? If we as supporters accept that then there is no prospect of a bright future - we are the bedrock of a club we have supported over decades - the present management/ board are lacking in ambition, drive and strategy. There are those who will disagree but please, please do not keep espousing the Southampton way. That more than anything defines our acceptance of mediocrity because in 3 years time we might just be better.




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12 Sep 2021 20:12:03
Totally agree. Hopefully Broja will get game time - he looks a handful - the physical presence up front we’ve been missing.




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12 Sep 2021 13:15:19
When Antonio got sent off if basically levelled it up 10 v 10 because Redmond doesn’t count. Awful again and picked in front of Tella - amazing!

Credit where it’s due, McCarthy had a much better game - one top save and generally dominant for crosses but his distribution is still poor and lads, stop playing tippy tappy stuff in our own 18 yard box - twice we could have been left very embarrassed. It’s not clever and not is it a good look unless you are 3 or 4 up, and how often does that happen.




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31 Aug 2021 15:42:24
Great idea….




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30 Aug 2021 22:02:43
The issue is glaringly obvious - you can get away with playing one but not both. Neither are creative and both are painfully slow in delivering a forward ball - I’m not even talking about a defence splitting ball.

How many PL teams would pick Romeu as a starter. Stuart gets A for effort but only B for ability. Midfield and GK is our problem but probably strong enough, just, to put perform the other 5 sides in the bottom 6 league.