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04 Nov 2023 14:25:14
Amazing he has started with last week's winning team

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04 Nov 2023 13:31:05
Pretty football v pragmatic football. Which will triumph?

In this uncompromising patch of south London, they don't take prisoners and won't have any fears in the physical match up.

Over the years the likes of Mark Dennis, Terry Hurlock, Case, Ruddock, Golac, Steve Williams, Jo Jordan would have been licking their lips. Not sure we have that in our present group.

Let's hope for a clean sheet and and an ugly win.

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04 Nov 2023 17:04:32
That’ll do!

05 Nov 2023 18:59:20
I’m not sure what to write really . we’re winning . just .
but it’s great to see us fighting harder, and definitely starting to get the ball in the box quicker.
but crikey are we doing it the hard way!
I can fully understand the idea of possession football higher up, to work an opening, to spread the defence, to get in behind. but can’t we start doing it from the first minute, not from the 70th minute!
Our get out of jail cards are going to be all used up soon!
We are still giving the opponents way too many shots in such little possession.
But it’s great to see the team spirit, a settled team . and no Manning

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04 Nov 2023 09:29:57
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Sandro Tonali

01 Nov 2023 08:22:45
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28 Oct 2023 21:33:58
So, it is 3 weeks since I last posted (on Southampton Rumours rather than Banter).

The message from RM and the local media seems to have been `be patient` and `we are improving`.

Well I have been patient and we are improving. I am a long way from my first desperate post.

BUT we have been lucky. Leads lost at Hull and Preston. Last gasp goals meant 4 points instead of 1 point. Well done the players.

Today our first goal was probably offside and Baz was fortunate not to give away a penalty. They say the harder you work the luckier you get so well done (?) RM.

We again started well and like Leeds/Rotherham should have been out of sight by half time but 46 mins to 70 mins seems to be our downfall. Again we seem to have lost the initiative and wobbled and after Birmingham scored we looked a mess. We seem to have no answer to the fast counter attack. Our luck continued. The one great criticism of the vintage Barcelona/Spain sides was for all the intricate passing on the edge of the opponents box not many goals came as a result. Saints are the same - for all our possession we create no more goal chances than our opponents. Thankfully it does seem we finish games strongly but the relief when AA scored was there for all to see.

Whilst we remain as far behind second place as we did 3 weeks ago, at least there is more distance from the relegation zone. It does give cause for some optimism.

Keep a settled team (without Manning), make room for Stewart and find 2nd half intensity as our good fortune can`t be relied on and we could be smiling albeit not so much as during our last brief stay in the Championship. COYR.

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29 Oct 2023 00:16:11
Good post …
What I’m really struggling with, while trying to see the positives, is that each of our last results could have been the reverse score. if our opponents were sharper in front of goal .
Last two games .
Saints possession 72% 13 shots versus 11 shots
71% 11 shots versus 10 shots

How in so little possession is our opponents near on matching our number of shots.
because an extraordinary amount of the opponents possession is in our half.
We are so readable, so predictable, as others have said, we are being laughed at .
the Preston game they were literally waiting for a wayward pass, a delay in passing . they knew exactly where and how we were going to pass.
but still Martin continues with his rhetoric .
I have names it possession obsession…
He doesn’t care how many we concede or how few we score, he goes on about how possession we have.
Whilst I am really pleased at our league position, I’m actually of the opinion it’s because the quality is poor.
Martin is so obsessed with his way being the right way, that he can’t help forcing it on the team.
Our league position is hugely inflating his already huge ego.
If we were playing any EPL team, we would get destroyed.
If I was managing a club that was allowing so many shots against with very little possession. I would be studying the videos, discussing with coaches . it would be a long conversation .
Our game plan is giving opponents too much opportunities.
This rise up the league while not playing great football, has to end somewhen.
I have never known a me me me manager before, so deluded that he thinks our current position is all his doing.

29 Oct 2023 12:10:10
I agree - normally I find myself bemoaning our bad luck but yesterday we definitely caught the breaks - Baz’s rush of blood to the head was a nailed on pen and our first goal was a smidge and a half offside.

They say luck balances out so rather than overthink it, just roll with it knowing that it won’t be long before we get a perfectly good goal disallowed etc.

A few post match thoughts:

I thought Downes had a better game yesterday.

Bree played like Bree.

Sulemana is different class.

Collectively not as strong as the League 1 squad from a few years back.

Well on course for a record low number of clean sheets ever!

Not too long now to the January window!

30 Oct 2023 11:22:22
Millertime .
Downes definitely better when allowed some freedom to move the ball around, even pass forward!
Our goals were well worked goals, with getting into the box much quicker, even getting down to the byline and passing back!
I wonder how many of the previous games we could have killed off, had we been quicker with the balls into the box, instead of the incessant messing around .

I do worry that our current run and league position is simply feeding Martin’s ego and his belief that his way is right…
Possession football at all costs is not going to keep working.
the suicidal playing around with it at the back, is going to shoot us in the foot!

It’s good to see a happy crowd, it’s good be winning again.
but let’s see how good we really are,
Let’s move it quicker, into the box quicker and get it the average and below average teams to bed .

31 Oct 2023 05:39:45
Following a smart recent addition-maybe just maybe a glimpse of light at the end of the tunnel with the introduction of Coach Colin Calderwood perhaps he can persuade/influence Russell Martin’s hard wired decisions to become tempered into a more attacking system and with the potential return of Ross Stewart and Juan Larios plus 2/3 astute signings in January a serious push for promotion suddenly becomes a reality! .Keep On Marching!


26 Oct 2023 08:31:13
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25 Oct 2023 19:00:16
I know we need to rotate players, but he's picked a team suitable for a FA Cup Rd 1 game .
He's just trying to be too clever.
Changed defence, midfield and attack.
even with manning out, bringing holgate in .

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25 Oct 2023 20:13:06
Well I’ve paid £10 to watch this via the Saints website .
Well and truly back to possession football!
Messing around with it at the back .
messing around with it at the front .
even with players in the box, we’re still passing it around about 25 yards out

25 Oct 2023 20:20:34
So the stats
73% possession 2 shots
27% possession 4 shots .
guess who is saints!

25 Oct 2023 21:50:19
So we score in the 96th minute from our goalkeeper and a deflection resulting in an own goal.
We didn’t deserve that point.
We resorted back to the high possession football.
I have no idea what was going on with Stuart Armstrong, who spent a huge amount of the game outside the box…

25 Oct 2023 22:02:49
We have now scored 4 goals in 94+ minutes this season. Without those we would be in 21st place!

Still, somehow we are still in 5th and would have been 3rd with a win!

25 Oct 2023 23:48:47
I honestly thought that after the Hill game we would start to see a more front foot approach to our performances, how wrong was I! Back to square one, a very lucky point against an average team at best. Adams performance was a disgrace, he showed no movement or interest, even his injury was caused by a half hearted challenge by him. Seasons gone he would have thrown himself into that challenge and squashed Whitman, he needs to leave asap and rebuild his enthusiasm elsewhere.

26 Oct 2023 12:22:16
I thought it was a bizarre starting line up. Bree was awful and the midfield light weight. Smallbone looked better but he gets himself booked early and then treads a tightrope until he gets subbed.

Did Adams touch the ball more than once?

Edozie starting in front of Salumana?

Baz making one great stop before under diving again and then getting nutmegged for the second.

Baz posing more aerial threat from corners than the rest of the forward line?

I make you right - lucky to nick a point against a bang average championship team.

That said, a win at home Saturday would make for a very healthy points haul over the last 7 games.

The bad news is that would keep Mr Clever Dickery in work until Christmas at least.

27 Oct 2023 16:25:01
I did not see the entire game but have a couple of questions for those that did:

1. Who is the lesser of two evils Manning or Bree?
2. We seem to struggle with Charles in the side. Is that coincidence or because of him?

Adams lack of drive is odd. If he wants to be in the first 11, he is not helping himself, if he wants to get signed by a PL side, he is not making his case.

I wonder if there was a deal agreed with Everton in the summer to sell him in Jan after Ross Stewart was back from injury.

27 Oct 2023 19:08:09
Manning v Bree is like lethal injection v electrocution .
Neither please…. They simply aren’t good enough - liability the pair of them. Rubbish defending and rubbish going forward.

Charles is raw but I’m not impressed. Lacks any kind of composure with the ball and chases shadows without it. Light years away from the ability of youngsters like Tino.

I regret not off loading Adams now - his attitude and performances have stunk of late. Maybe you’re right - Everton may have done a deal which given that they may have 12 points deducted will see Adams back where he started.

On another note, I have yet to see anyone come out in support of Mr Clever Dick - even the sky sports pundits are laughing at our possession football. How frustrating is it as a fan when you’re more worried when you have the ball than when the opposition have it.

Please, please change gears tomorrow and up the tempo. Let’s not gift Rooney his first win as their manager.

28 Oct 2023 13:21:39
And Holgate is death by a thousand cuts! Hope Larios gets back soon!

I thought Martin was supposed to be at one with the universe but unfortunately that seems a parallel universe from his latest comments!

Football is also about winning and not just nlindly playing the way you personally like to play.

Still, 2-0 up and in 4th as I write, so somehow we are still in the mix

23 Oct 2023 08:30:14
I have been crunching the numbers to give us some end of season projection, based on our avg points vs Top 8, Mid 8 and bottom 8 sides and remaining games.

It's tough news, as it stands, with an expected 73 pts and a 7th place finish.

Some will say our Top 8 performances have been unfairly low due to injuries, reckless play and post transfer window issues. Plus, we have key players coming in and RM sides or a new manager can finish strongly. Factor these in and expect 79-84pts or 3rd to 5th.

Others will point out we have had some lucky late goals against poor sides, with Tella, JWP and Adams contributing, RM is a Mid table manager and we could lose players in Jan. Factor these in and we are looking at about 69 points or 9th.

If you include both factors and consider the betting odds, super computer projections, squad value and form average, expect around 74-77 points or 4th to 6th.

I will run the numbers again after 16 games.

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Pedro Neto

22 Oct 2023 14:38:42
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22 Oct 2023 10:57:22
After the Preston game, we go on an extraordinary 22 game run without facing a single side in the top 6!

With THB now settled and Stewart, Larios and Stephens to come back in, we have no excuses.

In March and April we face the big sides, that gives us a month to be settled after the Jan window.

The fixture list is very kind to us for the next 4 months. Let's get some momentum! COYR

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