24 Nov 2024 13:34:22
So I'll say it, it's time for RM to go, not so much for me but for all the various factors.one of them being the disgruntled voices you have in every club i.e. the ones in here .even you guys deserve to me heard once in a while ?❤️
I don't think anything changes in doing so and that was/has ever been my reasoning for not. Apart from the obvious managerial bounce within a few games the cracks of playing the same players, low investment and little time to adjust will show. That same manager who you all herald in will be met with your usual cries 'out'.
Personally I'd keep RM through relegation for the championship and spend that whole time looking and investing for the premier league .I can hear you all now "Outrageous" "Delusional" "Why would you want to get relegated" ect ect ect.
A new manager doesn't necessarily change anything and sometimes even, that change can be for the worse. Our current outfit isn't and hasn't ever been a premier league one (I've said that from the start) but it is a pretty decent championship one. Our board has invested heavily in RM and his vision, meaning we shouldn't have to invest much for promotion, even with eventual player exits. So we use RM for experience of that league, these players, this environment.but the whole time do what I've said all along .be looking for the right man for the right job at the right time. Just like they sacked Adkins right after he got us promoted.
I've heard Ruud rumors. My heart says yes please but my head thinks Lampard/Gerrard/Rooney. All those guys were massive players and have had a tiny spec of success as managers .but ultimately when it came to it poor coaches. I think anyone who is excited by Ruud is judging him on the managerial bounce of Ten hags exit.
Potter no. Moyes no. All ok in their day but you also seem to forget why they got the sack and it's the same reasons you all will be calling for 6 months in.
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24 Nov 2024 15:22:46
Welcome back Les. Hope you had a nice cruise.
It didn’t occur to me that you’re the type of person that will back every horse in a race just so you can say you backed the winner.
Once RM goes (hopefully soon) you’re trying to back it that you can say I told you so if it doesn’t get any better (impossible, I know) and also I told you so if it gets better by implying it’s only because of an ‘obvious’ managerial bounce. Why can’t it just be that it’s better because it just is better? For somebody so opinionated, you really need to own your comments. When it does get better, you should be humble and come on here and say you was wrong but by the sounds of it we will have a year long managerial bounce just so you can be right ??
Anyway, I really fancy our chances against Liverpool today, I must be drunk! but with all the results lately, nothing would surprise me.
COYR.
25 Nov 2024 11:26:51
I only came back for you Bants . I know your week isn't complete without me.
Are you saying managerial bounce isn't a thing? Obviously Ruud van Nistelrooy is a world class manager then seeing as he didn't lose a single game when he took charge of united and after his success at PSV ? .it isn't as simple as that.
I'm not 'backing every horse' .there aren't any to back Bants and THAT'S my point. I'm using managerial bounce to point out to fickle fans that their short lived elation towards any results/change in play won't reflect the larger problem of the low quality (experience/old age/competent) manger we will attract in relation to poor players and boardroom he will also have to contend with.
You seem to think sacking is a magic wand. Look at united, every since Ferguson left they've been a shadow of themselves. The amount of money and level of people behind the scenes and they haven't came close to recreating their success since. Each time they get it wrong the disgruntled fans start shouting, a new guy comes in and it's rinse and repeat. Moyes was herald as uniteds man to lead them in the post Ferguson era, he swiftly got the boot though. Moyes, the same man who recently got sacked by west ham and Moyes the same man who people on here are calling for. You couldn't make this stuff up.
I'm not backing every horse, I've consistently gone on record stating that everyone we've been linked with (except Ruud) hasn't given me any hope of change and more over the RM change will come from the say board that has made the last few appointments. I'm on record saying that the next manager won't change things around, not counting the first few games. So come on Bants .state a name/names.who is the manager/managers that are going to save our club, what are your reasons for why and we can discuss it. Why this new saviour of yours would choose us over everyone else, why we could attract him over everyone else ect because obviously it's easy . You just sack the one who's doing crap, and recruit the one you want.
Only top teams have it that easy and even them (United) have shown us consistently that it is anything but easy. We however don't have the luxury of going after anyone we want, with us a new appointment is always going to be a gamble. My point for you Bants is that you won't be around to be heard when that gamble doesn't pay off.
25 Nov 2024 12:58:33
That’s not really the best example to use RVN to try and get your point across, he was Ten Hag’s right hand man and already involved in the club heavily when he come in as caretaker manager, under him United then beat Leicester twice and PAOK and drew with Chelsea, it’s hardly the run of the century but if you want to call that a managerial bounce then that’s go with that, under that same logic though. how comes United only managed a draw against Ipswich under RA’s new appointment… where was his bouncy bounce? They didn’t win so is this managerial bounce now invalidated?
25 Nov 2024 20:54:17
I was waiting for you to bring that up. Amorim coming in isn't the managerial bounce is it though, it's already happened at united.
It's the direct games after the manager has been sacked that have a random effect on the team. The man who has been enforcing his vision/tactics/methods/players he likes to play is suddenly no longer there . everything is different. The bounce at united occured with the leaving of Hag and Ruud taking charge of those subsequent games. The players all knew Amorim was on his way in so their mentality would have already been shifting.
There will be a bounce in results whenever and with whoever is in charge for the time if/when RM initially leaves us. Those games are not what you base a coaches credentials on though, which was my point of perspective, if so then we may as well have given the national job to Lee Carsley. Looking at his record the way you seem to would make him a world class manager, when in reality a tough tournament under his and he would soon crumble.
But we digress, your supposed to be going on record as to whom and why the new guy will be .why we will actually be able to get this person ect. I won't deny RM has set the bar pretty low for whoever his would be successor is .but my point has always been the board/backroom and our current stock of players. There won't be investment for this new man, not initially anyway, so whoever he his has to get premiership quality out of largely championship players . For me that takes a calls for a decent level of coaching amd our chances of acquiring a person on that is slim.
It's why I opted for the stick with RM approach this season. Yes he's been diabolical at times but there has also been improvements, but you guys are so dog headed not to see it. We lost by one goal to the league leaders on Saturday. A goal came from a mistake that yes RM is asking them to play, yet Ramsdale is more comfortable in that role. Arguably if he wasn't injured we could have got a point there .any other manager and you guys would be blowing your trumpets.
{Ed001's Note - Ed002 will remain a one-off mate. There will never be another Ed002.}