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13 Apr 2024 21:44:50
I'm all for the positivity and believe me I am trying lol but I'm still not optimistic about automatic.
Yes it is technically possible again now but we've been riding our luck too hard to get where we are right now. The teams above us have all dropped massive points but we having capitalized on that nearly enough.
The main factor will be when we face them. They're away games and Leicester and Leeds will both up their games and show their promotion form when playing against us. When it comes to ruthlessness and not conceeding when it matters I can't honestly say we've got it in us. Maybe if we start playing Lumley.
I'm going to be positive though, go with the flow and hope for the fairytale lol . Here's hoping for automatic ?
18 Aug 2023 12:14:00
If we let Che Adams go then we're showing no desire/ambition to return to the premier league. I get the majority of the other exits, big value players and fringe players. Che though isn't either. He's definitely class and that's why people are bidding for him obviously but he's a player the club SHOULD be able to keep hold of.
He's a proven goal scorer, even more so in this league and goals are part of the recipe you need for success. The valuation I'm hearing at 10M for him too is ridiculous. I don't rate Adam Armstrong (recent goals were penalties) .and any replacement for Che would be looking to cover the goals he would have certainly got us and there's no guarantee the replacement will .it's madness.
With all this outgoings as well we fans have to be aware that the club is a business. The new owners bought the club for whatever sum of money, the sell of players/assets covers their expenditure whilst netting them a tidy profit. As a business they've just made some nice money, so there's always the possibility that we're here to languish in the championship now whilst our former team is stripped for parts.
1.) 19 Aug 2023 20:55:38
The skill that Adams has is intelligence . he has the Danny Ings/lambert ability to hold and then move into space space at the last moment .
makes him impossible to play, IF our players anticipate his movement .
Three pure poachers goals in three games!
Tella has two great feet, knows where the goal is, bags of confidence!
Adam A . not an intelligent player, hasn’t progressed as a player . love to see Dom Ballard being given a chance over AA
27 Apr 2023 19:15:10
Armstrong instead of Suleman .wtaf! : (:/:#
McCarthy in for bazuna, whilst I do think bazuna needs some time off, he might be decent one day but has been in the firing line too much this season, replacing him with McCarthy is NOT any better. I'd rather keep bazuna in and hope he finds form . McCarthy is just a shower of rubbish and forever will be.
23 Feb 2023 22:05:11
Rickie lambert, a man who knows how to play for Southampton and under decent managers, said was shocked Ralph got the sack and that saints we building something with Ralph at the helm .which is what I've said all along.
Now thankfully that we've got Jones out the way Selles will hopefully keep confidence up enough to maybe adjust for his inexperience and maybe just maybe were scrape survival by a point maybe.
And here's the thing though, if Selles keeps us up by say a point or so, he will be branded a hero. I'm 99.9% certain that Ralph could have achieved that at the least this season yet people called for his head and would have continued to if that's all he got for us this season .that's the irony of the whole thing, how fickle people become when their expectations change.
Ralph sent some words of encouragement to selles and no doubt selles will be implementing some of the ideas/methods he observed from Ralph. and yet here everyone is (the same people who called for Ralphs head) praising Selles . I'm all for selles, I think he might just about keep us up, mainly with luck.but results will evidently go the wrong way for him at some point and he'll get the chop.
Just amazes me how fast fans change
1.) 24 Feb 2023 17:36:31
Bizarre post .are you saying that because I wanted Ralph gone, that I’m not allowed to want Selles?
Jones, just like Ralph, had absolutely no relationship with the players! He fell out with so many of the players while choosing to pick favourites, regardless of form!
His tactical decisions, his substitutions, his formation changes during games was non existent.
We threw a record number points from winning positions, no players improved under him, players were played out of position . players on form
We’re dropped!
We were in free fall, getting worse every season . he should have been sacked ages ago!
As for building something under Ralph? What precisely .
And yes I and many other fans wanted him gone, he lost the dressing room … and thank god he went. the chose of Jones was surreal!
Selles is a breath of fresh air .
There was no change of expectation . I was completely fed up with seeing Ralph on the touch line, completely devoid of ideas. never ever being able to respond to an opponents change of tactics. It was plan A and no plan B. In fact he played the same defensive setup against the bottom team as he did against the top team!
Bizarre how many people were blinded by Ralph being emotive .
2.) 24 Feb 2023 18:49:28
Selles is a breathe of fresh air . So we can hold you to that when your inevitably calling for his head next season?
Fact is, Selles ain't going to do much more than at absolute best maybe, maybe keep us up. Then next season the bricks will begin to fall. It's only fans that seem to have this thing about Ralph. Players and pundits have all gave admiration for what he did for us.
People are sucking selles dick after one game due to him being a better fit than Jones, to which the saints fan are accountable for to somewhat for asking for change. We're see how far that breathe of fresh air takes us after a few games . Point is, if your praising Selles at the end of the season for barely keeping us up .then your whole thing about Ralph is pretty pointless
3.) 25 Feb 2023 14:52:28
Utterly confused by your logic
4.) 25 Feb 2023 15:42:59
Miller time
Utterly confused too . sounds like a post after one too many beers. As for the referencing to sucking Selles Dick . don’t normally get this sort of childish, rude comments! If he has to resort to such comment, there isn’t a lot going on up top!
I have always made my comments honest and open . be that my criticism of Djenepo being awful but happy to say he played well in one game.
Selles showed more technical ability as a manager in that one game that Ralph did all season.
It’s like against Leeds today, it’s not quite working for Saints. will Ruben play the Ralph game of ‘fingers crossed’ or will he make changes. subtle tactical changes or substitutions.
too right he will!
5.) 25 Feb 2023 23:14:33
Nope, twas a sober post and one can still be dignified and articulate whilst using the phrase "suck dick" . In todays day and age it simply relates to some loving a person that much.
My point remains though . Fans that were calling for Ralphs head are now cheering for any meagre success. I'm certain Ralph, at the very least would have kept us up this season and though Selles is a more of a positive since Jones (though let's be fair, anyone would have been) . I think his inexperience will be the too much to save us.
The fact is football is filled with fickle fans, from all clubs and fans never seen to take account for a lot of the rubbish they chant/demand and post on online and social media.
People say Ralph lost the dressing room, yet all I've ever read from actual players and pundits alike is how well he was respected there.
All fans here (I include myself in this) think we know what's what but the reality is that if any of us were given the saints job we'd be no better than Nathan Jones.
And so now, we've got an inexperienced manager trying to manage us out of a relegation battle, who has taken over from a guy who was completely clueless who job was also to save and improve us who was brought in to take over from a guy has kept us at the least stable and more exciting than the managers before him.
Fans forget that were Southampton a lot of the time .no matter how good we start to get other teams will always poach our players/staff. I don't believe in the phrase "a selling club" as saints are one that seem to get labeled with it as well.at the end of the day we're a stepping stone for players and clubs because as soon as someone has success here they can resist moving on . I'm saying this because of we had players here still like mane, shaw, van dyk, hoijberg, ings ect than we wouldn't be in a relegation battle. We can't and never will keep these players and so were left trying to replace them until we end up with sub-par players like djenpo, Adam Armstrong, lyanco ect.
Soo, the reality is accepting our place in the food chain whilst looking for ray of hopes. Ralph was a ray of hope because he genuinely looked like he was happy to stay and try and build something. Fickle fans gave hime the boot though .and thus, here we are.
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28 Apr 2024 02:03:34
No, I wasn't under any illusion that we'd beat Stoke, was just trying to be positive as all my berating of the team can seem negative lol.
In honesty though is panning out the way I predicted early season that we will end up a stagnant championship team. I can't see us beating either Leeds or Ipswich in the playoffs and that's if we're lucky enough to get last the other teams.
I don't think we're struggle next season but I think we're be a few places lower than we are now .and then as I say just stagnate for a bit. It's all well saying change manager but I can't think of anyone who would drastically change in what we've had this year, but a fresh face is mostly likely needed or at the least at fresh/different approach from RM (which we all know is unlikely).
27 Apr 2024 14:07:28
Anyone still harbouring hope of automatic need not, as playoffs are almost a mathematical certainty.
Even if Leeds/Ipswich lose all thier remaining games they would need to loose ALL of them heavily, whilst we would need to go on a insane scoring rout. Most we can hope for is 90 points and with the good at roughly 20 or more its impossible.forgone conclusion.
8pm tonight Ipswich can put us out of our misery by winning and we can saddle up our playoff boots.
1.) 27 Apr 2024 20:15:51
I'll be the first to admit I was deluded. VERY deluded to say Southampton could've done a miracle a hail Mary you could say and come to win the championship. Well look how that went. Loosing streak. I genuinely thought we had a huge opportunity. Maybe the team lost it maybe I'm just dumb.
Looking forward, I'm not even going to hope we'll get out the championship through playoffs because we probably won't if we play pointless possession.
23 Apr 2024 19:58:52
Tonight's game will show not wether we have the minerals. A win tonight doesn't give us automatic win in the slightest but a win tonight and against Leeds (both top away games) show we can do it when it matters.
Where it matters for us now is playoffs as that is where we're need to show that ruthlessness by if we can't do it tonight and against Leeds then we won't be able to do it in the pressure environment that is the playoffs.
All season that is been my main criticism of who we are at the moment. Not being able to kill games off. We let in nearly all shots on target at our goal and rely heavily on outscoring the opposition or hoping they forget to know how to shoot.
Ruthlessness and solidness is what we need tonight and against Leeds and then maybe (because let's be honest automatic is gone) we can carry that form into the playoffs.
1.) 23 Apr 2024 20:44:28
We are showing exactly why we are not EPL material .
Leicester attacking in numbers . attacking at speed .
Every single sniff of an attack, players flow up the pitch, players make themselves available .
Meanwhile saints. two meaningful attacks,
No support, slow, predictable . both worked back to our defence .
43 minutes and we have 74% possession . how and why and how?
2.) 23 Apr 2024 20:45:07
Ruthless . as ruthless as a 6 week old kitten!
3.) 23 Apr 2024 22:01:01
They were the opposite of everything you said they needed to be Lesleee.
Outclassed and outfought in every position on the pitch.
Unforgivable and completley embarrassing.
Play offs? Forget it.
They don’t deserve anything for that disgraceful performance.
They’ve let our club down and do not deserve our support.
4.) 23 Apr 2024 22:24:33
I've never seen a Southampton game where we had 0 shots on target. I swear even in the 9-0 games we at least had a few shots at the goal but this. Come on,
I guess I was too hopeful for Southampton to win the championship doing the miracle comeback but I think loads of people wanted it to happen. That put pressure on the team and a recurring event is a big game led to an abysmal performance by us.
So like millertime said, play-offs forget it, we probably should because those will be intense games, and if we are bottling now we will 100% bottle it in a knockout scenario. Watch us lose to Norwich.
The board has to sign players now, We are just losing everything in the team, Wilxcox is gone, our best players are gone, we need to find a striker that we can 100% rely on a new Ings you could say and we need a keeper that can consistently save. Baz is young I get that but he has made mistakes and we can't afford to make mistakes when we are trying to fight for promotion.
5.) 23 Apr 2024 22:29:38
Yea Miller time . Believe it or not that was me trying to be positive lol.
Even winning against Leeds Leicester we wouldn't have gained automatic as we've left it too late. My post was more about trying to find form to take into the envitable playoffs.
However the performance tonight is the true team we've been all season, somehow masked by luck, other teams performance ect. By that I mean games where it really matters, when its about playing actual football and getting the job done we can't. That's why in honesty we aren't going up this year. Too much pressure and too much of performing when it matters is where it will go wrong for us. Keeping the ball/possession has what has kept us out of danger most matches and to be fair you could argue that's a decent enough tactic (when the other team hasn't got the ball they can't score) .but we're too weak when teams do go at us and we're too timid at times to do what's needed when we do .too much tippy tappy .were not peps Barcelona Russell lol ??
The teams we go against in the playoffs will go for our throats and we're just not able or ready for that.
6.) 23 Apr 2024 22:30:12
Ironicly, leslee we were the team that forgot how to shoot.
We can't work under pressure clearly
Play-Offs will have a lot of Pressure
So Imo we probably ain't going up.
And this probably will continue unless we have a mentality change or we sign some decent players that can score
The fact that we out of 3 teams have the worst conceding goals tally in the championship this season shows a lot
7.) 23 Apr 2024 22:35:18
Millertime .
it was obvious from the first 10 minutes that the formation/selection was wrong .
Did we tweek anything . no!
66% possession ZERO shots on target!
RM your days are numbered
8.) 23 Apr 2024 22:53:59
I've been saying for a long time Bazuna needed replacing. I don't like having a go at him because he is young and there is potential there but he needs time away from being No1 to work on ACTUALLY saving the ball.
We could easily have had an extra 10 points on the board if it wasn't for goals that went in, in games where we could have won or drawn of they hadn't .if Bazuna had actually saved it. I've watched games where the opposition shots on target/to goal ratios has pretty much been 100%. It's showing that we're keeping the ball forever but the actual things that matter like scoring or more importantly saving .we aren't doing.
9.) 23 Apr 2024 23:19:00
RM will never change his core method of playing. He’s tweaked some minor details twice or three times this season but has always eventually been found out. We’ll beat West Brom but not Ipswich or Norwich/ Hull. Our forward line was very poor tonight, kept going backwards!
10.) 23 Apr 2024 23:19:41
Oddly enough, I would swap Neil Warnock for RM having listened to his post match summing up.
“Martin needs to tell his players that the fans have spent their hard earned money going to watch that rubbish. So do the right thing and make it up to them by getting promotion. Put it to bed and take the players out for a Chinese tomorrow night for team bonding”.
That’s the sort of man management that’s needed. Not the blind excuses that RM still spews out - we were aggressive, pressing well, matching Leicester in the first half etc.
He is deluded. No tweaks as you say South Hants Rich - totally clueless.
Question - How many of our team would get into Leicester’s side?
Answer - tonight a nice round number. On a good day, possibly two.
06 Apr 2024 12:35:17
If promotion via the playoffs is on the cards then I think it only happens if Lumley is in goal for it. I'm not saying he's an amazing keeper, however the few times he has played he's looked more solid than Bazuna.
We've had a goalkeeper problem ever since Forster first lost his form. A goalkeeper who saves shots needs to be our summer priority.
03 Apr 2024 01:11:44
Automatic promotion was never on the cards for me. I mentioned the manager/team was never enough to get us there on first try. However I do think playoffs is the best option overall.
If by some miracle we got automatic promotion we would have seen a false confidence, no only from the board but also and more importantly.the fans. I've always stated that fans need a reality check. Hopefully now as a collective we can all see ourselves for what we are a decent promotion chasing team .rather than this automatic/deserved to be in the premier league team.
No one deserves anything. You get what you get on merit. Look at Ipswich, sure they're possibly be straight back down again next season but it where they are right now is where they deserve to be and likewise so are we.
So, hopefully for us going up the more painful way (if we manage promotion) will humble everyone and show there's still a hell a lot more work to be done.
On that note I'm not totally against RM, I know he isn't a premier league manager for sure but wether it's by luck or not he has kept us up and towards the top of the league all of the season. If we don't go up I'd probably give him another season. Why? Because of stability.I'd rather the board take Thier time and find the right man (even if that means replacing RM at a time when the team is at its best) rather then knee jerk decisions. Knee jerk decisions are only ever a gamble and we could find ourselves tumbling down the league, least for now if we have to have another year in the championship we know with RM were at least be up and near the top.
The one thing I would change overall though is Bazuna. I'm sorry dude but youve had 2 full seasons for progress with us, one of which is dropping down a league but you aren't getting where you need to be. he's very athletic and would arguably be a great sweeper keeper except for one vital part .He NEVER saves anything?! He ways gets down low and dives where he needs to be but never gets the ball. We need a SOLID keeper who makes one or two decent saves a match, one that dives and pushes away/stops the ball, not a keeper who is essentially just another defender.
1.) 03 Apr 2024 08:06:42
lesleee A very constructive, sensible and well thought out post—well done!
2.) 04 Apr 2024 16:08:13
I agree, very thoughtful post. but I do disagree, in that I think we should be getting automatic promotion.
Firstly our goalkeeper - quite simply not good enough, way too many goals conceded which could or should have been saved.
I agree totally that RM is not an EPL manager.
I also think that RM is hugely responsible for our league position. His insistence on playing Stephens, breaking up the hugely successful partnership of Bednerek and Harwood-Bellis, has completely destabilised our defence. Not only were we scoring goals, we were conceding little. Stephens may work hard, wear the badge with pride, but he pulls others players out of position with his poor positional play.
Dropping KWP against Ipswich? He’s messed around with KWP so much this season, Left back, right back, right midfield/wing .
His substitutions have been late, wrong players, wrong tactics .
Picking players out of form, dropping players in form .
3.) 05 Apr 2024 02:33:34
I'm not disagreeing on RMs faults . He's a stubborn bastard. What I am saying though is that if we don't get promotion this year and the fans call for his head then anyone who comes in HAS to get promotion, because anything short of that and we may as well stick with RM. I can't think of anyone willing to join us who will guarantee us promotion.
For all his faults RM this season would have done everything but get us promotion, meaning anyone else who takes his place would be no better unless promotion is guaranteed with them. All in all i'd rather someone who knows the team/players have another crack at it then gambling on the unknown because with RM you know that we're going to be competing again whereas with an unknown sure they might be awesome but there's also a very real chance than when you roll that dice that new manager ends up sinking the ship and sends us down the league.
I'd rather take the RM gamble for another season then the unknown gamble as we've had some real dodgy managers in recent times. Better the devil you know.
4.) 05 Apr 2024 03:30:57
south hants rich Agree totally with all of your observations but would add that in order to prevent chaotic destabilisation RM remains in place until the absolute right Manager becomes available ( dependent whether or not we qualify for EPL next season and whether or not the Board have the Balls to carry it out.! Furthermore an ideal opportunity would be an appointment in conjunction with a newDirector of Football ( apparently according to reports) to foster a harmonious working relationship.
03 Jan 2024 20:57:11
I never said anything about Stephen's, your point was is KWP bett up the pitch .you said no.
Just because the modern game is more fast "pep-esque" demand more from players in certain positions doesn't mean certain players can't play in places. I agree Stephens isn't a great right back, but I've got nothing against mixing it up . because KWP from day one has always been an attacking full back, not a defensive one .so to argue his defensive attributes are better than his forward play is bizarre. Fraser is ok on the wing, but I'll think your find he's more suited to a Stuey Armstrong roll, attacking midfielder.
02 Jan 2024 12:23:32
I disagree with KWP comment, I'd argue he's better as an attacking winger then he is a defender .at the least he's best in both positions. It's his pace and agility that ables him to get up the pitch but also get back, track and close down players and he's shown time and time again that he's willing to that roll no matter how far up the pitch he plays .so why wouldn't you play in further up?
In relation to other wingers I wouldn't say we have any natural wingers like KWP. Fraser and Sulamana aren't as good on the wing. Fraser isn't as fast and Sulamana although fast hasn't got the consistency KWP has. KWP also has the ability to cut inside and score with the best of them.
So all in all, saying KWP is not effective higher up the pitch is complete bonkers. He's one of our main threats that actually looks to move the ball forward and direct to goal. Sure he's a decent full back/defender but he's an even better winger.
25 Feb 2023 23:14:33
Nope, twas a sober post and one can still be dignified and articulate whilst using the phrase "suck dick" . In todays day and age it simply relates to some loving a person that much.
My point remains though . Fans that were calling for Ralphs head are now cheering for any meagre success. I'm certain Ralph, at the very least would have kept us up this season and though Selles is a more of a positive since Jones (though let's be fair, anyone would have been) . I think his inexperience will be the too much to save us.
The fact is football is filled with fickle fans, from all clubs and fans never seen to take account for a lot of the rubbish they chant/demand and post on online and social media.
People say Ralph lost the dressing room, yet all I've ever read from actual players and pundits alike is how well he was respected there.
All fans here (I include myself in this) think we know what's what but the reality is that if any of us were given the saints job we'd be no better than Nathan Jones.
And so now, we've got an inexperienced manager trying to manage us out of a relegation battle, who has taken over from a guy who was completely clueless who job was also to save and improve us who was brought in to take over from a guy has kept us at the least stable and more exciting than the managers before him.
Fans forget that were Southampton a lot of the time .no matter how good we start to get other teams will always poach our players/staff. I don't believe in the phrase "a selling club" as saints are one that seem to get labeled with it as well.at the end of the day we're a stepping stone for players and clubs because as soon as someone has success here they can resist moving on . I'm saying this because of we had players here still like mane, shaw, van dyk, hoijberg, ings ect than we wouldn't be in a relegation battle. We can't and never will keep these players and so were left trying to replace them until we end up with sub-par players like djenpo, Adam Armstrong, lyanco ect.
Soo, the reality is accepting our place in the food chain whilst looking for ray of hopes. Ralph was a ray of hope because he genuinely looked like he was happy to stay and try and build something. Fickle fans gave hime the boot though .and thus, here we are.
24 Feb 2023 18:49:28
Selles is a breathe of fresh air . So we can hold you to that when your inevitably calling for his head next season?
Fact is, Selles ain't going to do much more than at absolute best maybe, maybe keep us up. Then next season the bricks will begin to fall. It's only fans that seem to have this thing about Ralph. Players and pundits have all gave admiration for what he did for us.
People are sucking selles dick after one game due to him being a better fit than Jones, to which the saints fan are accountable for to somewhat for asking for change. We're see how far that breathe of fresh air takes us after a few games . Point is, if your praising Selles at the end of the season for barely keeping us up .then your whole thing about Ralph is pretty pointless
23 Apr 2024 22:53:59
I've been saying for a long time Bazuna needed replacing. I don't like having a go at him because he is young and there is potential there but he needs time away from being No1 to work on ACTUALLY saving the ball.
We could easily have had an extra 10 points on the board if it wasn't for goals that went in, in games where we could have won or drawn of they hadn't .if Bazuna had actually saved it. I've watched games where the opposition shots on target/to goal ratios has pretty much been 100%. It's showing that we're keeping the ball forever but the actual things that matter like scoring or more importantly saving .we aren't doing.
23 Apr 2024 22:29:38
Yea Miller time . Believe it or not that was me trying to be positive lol.
Even winning against Leeds Leicester we wouldn't have gained automatic as we've left it too late. My post was more about trying to find form to take into the envitable playoffs.
However the performance tonight is the true team we've been all season, somehow masked by luck, other teams performance ect. By that I mean games where it really matters, when its about playing actual football and getting the job done we can't. That's why in honesty we aren't going up this year. Too much pressure and too much of performing when it matters is where it will go wrong for us. Keeping the ball/possession has what has kept us out of danger most matches and to be fair you could argue that's a decent enough tactic (when the other team hasn't got the ball they can't score) .but we're too weak when teams do go at us and we're too timid at times to do what's needed when we do .too much tippy tappy .were not peps Barcelona Russell lol ??
The teams we go against in the playoffs will go for our throats and we're just not able or ready for that.
17 Apr 2024 16:59:17
I owe whoever did a beer, that injury might just save our season.
Though I'd rather they shot McCarthy as well as he's just as much a donkey ?. Lumley is the best of the current bad bunch we've got at the moment.
05 Apr 2024 02:33:34
I'm not disagreeing on RMs faults . He's a stubborn bastard. What I am saying though is that if we don't get promotion this year and the fans call for his head then anyone who comes in HAS to get promotion, because anything short of that and we may as well stick with RM. I can't think of anyone willing to join us who will guarantee us promotion.
For all his faults RM this season would have done everything but get us promotion, meaning anyone else who takes his place would be no better unless promotion is guaranteed with them. All in all i'd rather someone who knows the team/players have another crack at it then gambling on the unknown because with RM you know that we're going to be competing again whereas with an unknown sure they might be awesome but there's also a very real chance than when you roll that dice that new manager ends up sinking the ship and sends us down the league.
I'd rather take the RM gamble for another season then the unknown gamble as we've had some real dodgy managers in recent times. Better the devil you know.
18 Mar 2024 18:54:48
I agree Teejay. Wolfsburg have got themselves a top manager, shame our fanbase couldn't see it, we wouldn't be in our current predicament if they could.
C'est la vie though.