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18 Aug 2023 12:14:00
If we let Che Adams go then we're showing no desire/ambition to return to the premier league. I get the majority of the other exits, big value players and fringe players. Che though isn't either. He's definitely class and that's why people are bidding for him obviously but he's a player the club SHOULD be able to keep hold of.
He's a proven goal scorer, even more so in this league and goals are part of the recipe you need for success. The valuation I'm hearing at 10M for him too is ridiculous. I don't rate Adam Armstrong (recent goals were penalties) .and any replacement for Che would be looking to cover the goals he would have certainly got us and there's no guarantee the replacement will .it's madness.
With all this outgoings as well we fans have to be aware that the club is a business. The new owners bought the club for whatever sum of money, the sell of players/assets covers their expenditure whilst netting them a tidy profit. As a business they've just made some nice money, so there's always the possibility that we're here to languish in the championship now whilst our former team is stripped for parts.
1.) 19 Aug 2023 20:55:38
The skill that Adams has is intelligence . he has the Danny Ings/lambert ability to hold and then move into space space at the last moment .
makes him impossible to play, IF our players anticipate his movement .
Three pure poachers goals in three games!
Tella has two great feet, knows where the goal is, bags of confidence!
Adam A . not an intelligent player, hasn’t progressed as a player . love to see Dom Ballard being given a chance over AA
27 Apr 2023 19:15:10
Armstrong instead of Suleman .wtaf! : (:/:#
McCarthy in for bazuna, whilst I do think bazuna needs some time off, he might be decent one day but has been in the firing line too much this season, replacing him with McCarthy is NOT any better. I'd rather keep bazuna in and hope he finds form . McCarthy is just a shower of rubbish and forever will be.
23 Feb 2023 22:05:11
Rickie lambert, a man who knows how to play for Southampton and under decent managers, said was shocked Ralph got the sack and that saints we building something with Ralph at the helm .which is what I've said all along.
Now thankfully that we've got Jones out the way Selles will hopefully keep confidence up enough to maybe adjust for his inexperience and maybe just maybe were scrape survival by a point maybe.
And here's the thing though, if Selles keeps us up by say a point or so, he will be branded a hero. I'm 99.9% certain that Ralph could have achieved that at the least this season yet people called for his head and would have continued to if that's all he got for us this season .that's the irony of the whole thing, how fickle people become when their expectations change.
Ralph sent some words of encouragement to selles and no doubt selles will be implementing some of the ideas/methods he observed from Ralph. and yet here everyone is (the same people who called for Ralphs head) praising Selles . I'm all for selles, I think he might just about keep us up, mainly with luck.but results will evidently go the wrong way for him at some point and he'll get the chop.
Just amazes me how fast fans change
1.) 24 Feb 2023 17:36:31
Bizarre post .are you saying that because I wanted Ralph gone, that I’m not allowed to want Selles?
Jones, just like Ralph, had absolutely no relationship with the players! He fell out with so many of the players while choosing to pick favourites, regardless of form!
His tactical decisions, his substitutions, his formation changes during games was non existent.
We threw a record number points from winning positions, no players improved under him, players were played out of position . players on form
We’re dropped!
We were in free fall, getting worse every season . he should have been sacked ages ago!
As for building something under Ralph? What precisely .
And yes I and many other fans wanted him gone, he lost the dressing room … and thank god he went. the chose of Jones was surreal!
Selles is a breath of fresh air .
There was no change of expectation . I was completely fed up with seeing Ralph on the touch line, completely devoid of ideas. never ever being able to respond to an opponents change of tactics. It was plan A and no plan B. In fact he played the same defensive setup against the bottom team as he did against the top team!
Bizarre how many people were blinded by Ralph being emotive .
2.) 24 Feb 2023 18:49:28
Selles is a breathe of fresh air . So we can hold you to that when your inevitably calling for his head next season?
Fact is, Selles ain't going to do much more than at absolute best maybe, maybe keep us up. Then next season the bricks will begin to fall. It's only fans that seem to have this thing about Ralph. Players and pundits have all gave admiration for what he did for us.
People are sucking selles dick after one game due to him being a better fit than Jones, to which the saints fan are accountable for to somewhat for asking for change. We're see how far that breathe of fresh air takes us after a few games . Point is, if your praising Selles at the end of the season for barely keeping us up .then your whole thing about Ralph is pretty pointless
3.) 25 Feb 2023 14:52:28
Utterly confused by your logic
4.) 25 Feb 2023 15:42:59
Miller time
Utterly confused too . sounds like a post after one too many beers. As for the referencing to sucking Selles Dick . don’t normally get this sort of childish, rude comments! If he has to resort to such comment, there isn’t a lot going on up top!
I have always made my comments honest and open . be that my criticism of Djenepo being awful but happy to say he played well in one game.
Selles showed more technical ability as a manager in that one game that Ralph did all season.
It’s like against Leeds today, it’s not quite working for Saints. will Ruben play the Ralph game of ‘fingers crossed’ or will he make changes. subtle tactical changes or substitutions.
too right he will!
5.) 25 Feb 2023 23:14:33
Nope, twas a sober post and one can still be dignified and articulate whilst using the phrase "suck dick" . In todays day and age it simply relates to some loving a person that much.
My point remains though . Fans that were calling for Ralphs head are now cheering for any meagre success. I'm certain Ralph, at the very least would have kept us up this season and though Selles is a more of a positive since Jones (though let's be fair, anyone would have been) . I think his inexperience will be the too much to save us.
The fact is football is filled with fickle fans, from all clubs and fans never seen to take account for a lot of the rubbish they chant/demand and post on online and social media.
People say Ralph lost the dressing room, yet all I've ever read from actual players and pundits alike is how well he was respected there.
All fans here (I include myself in this) think we know what's what but the reality is that if any of us were given the saints job we'd be no better than Nathan Jones.
And so now, we've got an inexperienced manager trying to manage us out of a relegation battle, who has taken over from a guy who was completely clueless who job was also to save and improve us who was brought in to take over from a guy has kept us at the least stable and more exciting than the managers before him.
Fans forget that were Southampton a lot of the time .no matter how good we start to get other teams will always poach our players/staff. I don't believe in the phrase "a selling club" as saints are one that seem to get labeled with it as well.at the end of the day we're a stepping stone for players and clubs because as soon as someone has success here they can resist moving on . I'm saying this because of we had players here still like mane, shaw, van dyk, hoijberg, ings ect than we wouldn't be in a relegation battle. We can't and never will keep these players and so were left trying to replace them until we end up with sub-par players like djenpo, Adam Armstrong, lyanco ect.
Soo, the reality is accepting our place in the food chain whilst looking for ray of hopes. Ralph was a ray of hope because he genuinely looked like he was happy to stay and try and build something. Fickle fans gave hime the boot though .and thus, here we are.
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06 Oct 2023 13:41:39
Danny Rohl is out of a job now . The man who first worked alongside Ralph and there being a notable change in performances for a while after he left.
I say the board should go hammer and nail to get him. Sure we've won a couple in a row with Martins, but the cracks will soon show.
Rohl would be the ideal man to rebuild our club/foundations. he's got a footballing brain and also knows the club.
Would love the board to work behind the scenes and bring him in .but I think I'm dreaming on that one.
1.) 06 Oct 2023 16:14:39
Whilst I agree I would like to see him in a coaching roll I do question the, knowing the club, that is always spouted about. Since he left the owners have changed, the players have changed, we are in a different league. So at best he might know the kit man still and where to park!
30 Sep 2023 16:37:03
3-1
Cue the upbeat fickleness . ;) :)
1.) 30 Sep 2023 17:33:43
I’m
Enjoying Martin bigging himself up after the win and saying that the he told the players to use everything he taught them on the training ground …
Alternate response : yep my tactics were crap and I told them to abandon them
The goalkeeper didn’t suddenly go long because Martin just taught it to him .
We’ll just just hope he had had a little chat with his
Buddha buddy and was ‘enlightened’
2.) 30 Sep 2023 22:29:11
It was a good result today but let’s be honest, they were poor and we were alright. We also had the rub of the green, on another day Smallbone’s shot for the second goal hits the post and rebounds to safety.
I think most of us were vindicated in our insistence on picking Suleman - he was the biggest difference.
But I remain underwhelmed - it went our way today but seeing Martin’s behaviour after the match was cringe worthy. So we win one in five and it’s all good?
Let’s win the next couple of games (Stoke away and Rotherham at home) and get a better sense check.
I will say it now - all RM did today was buy himself a get out of jail card - he’s not the person to lead us back to the PL.
3.) 01 Oct 2023 07:44:28
But one thing he is top drawer at, is spinning the story to further his ego and beliefs
- we wanted Charley in the team because he’s been training well
- they did what I’ve been asking them do
We did play faster and wicker and first half, we abandoned his awful football.
somehow I think he will now have sleepless nights over straying from the path of his righteousness. it goes against his beliefs to change.
It was a joy to watch saints play fluent and fast attacking football …
I’m glad we played how you’ve been telling them all along how to play . Pinocchio
4.) 01 Oct 2023 13:07:51
Great to see a positive step forward with a win, although we are right to not get carried away.
KWP, Sulemana and Adam Armstrong showed their class with precision passing and deft finishing. Looking forward to adding height with Stewart.
Betting odds now have us fourth. Think most of us would gladly take that right now in a deal or no deal.
5.) 01 Oct 2023 18:53:15
Is that fourth bottom or fourth top?!
6.) 01 Oct 2023 20:30:56
Fourth top!
I would glady take that now and a fourth from bottom, if we get promoted!
We really have to throw everything at it this year. Cannot see KWP, Charlie, Sulemana, THB and Adams here for year two.
23 Sep 2023 21:07:45
Going forward (at least until January as it seems this group of players were stuck with for now) .
Manning - no, never.
Smallbone - no.
Holgate - **** off, never ever.
- - -
Must haves every game in the team.
Stuart Armstrong - ALWAYS.
Che Charles - Yes, but only played
in defensive midfield.
Sulemann - Although not proven himself by much yet, offers lightening pace that can change a game in seconds.has to be on the pitch to do it though, the more minutes he plays the more chances of that. Simple.
Looking at our team this are basics that anyone looking on from the outside can see. If RM doesn't see that or doesn't change things and carries on fielding rubbish whilst leaving talent (in relation to our current crop of players) he's either deluded, stubborn or both.
1.) 23 Sep 2023 21:35:27
Agree. RM is clearly deluded and stubborn.
Definition of madness - keep on doing the same thing but expect a different outcome. He has to go next international break. Graham Potter please come here not Everton?
Would love to see us in training. Surely Martin must have seen AA/Fraser and Sulemana running at Bernard Manning and fellow comedians. Oh sorry forgot Manning wouldn`t be anywhere near the LB berth. And probably the forwards would not trouble Baz with a shot on target. It`s only opposition forwards who continually trouble him with goalbound efforts.
2.) 24 Sep 2023 03:21:48
Saints v Boro’. PASS
19 Sep 2023 17:30:05
A loss tonight and I think it's safe to say the other teams have us figured out. It's ok to want to play pep inspired possession based football but you have to have other options in your locker to be able to mix things up .that's why peps teams are soo good, he's always evolving.
As for us though I feel the other teams are getting to the point where they're like . Ok if they want to move the ball around all game, let em .we're do our defensive duties and hit them on the counter when they over stretch themsleves.
Although I said at the beginning of the season Russel was the best of a bad bunch I also said his appointment would at best have us languishing in mid table for years to come and it's looking like that.
Our defence/goalkeeping is a priority and has been for a long time now. Unproven youngsters are an ok gamble but NOT at the back of they are played there they have to be an exceptional talent Bella kotcha I believe was .BUT he's gone (for now). A short term fix is someone with height/age/agility and above all real presence .rubbish, I'd happily take vestergard back if we lived in a magical world when we could just take him back.
Long term the board needs to be looking seriously for a solid manager, no knee jerk reactions (especially reactions to fans demands) .they need to be looking for the best man for the job and move with efficient and effect when they do. Had they not listened to the fans we would still have that man in Ralph, that's right until we have a manager that has done better since succeeding him your still going to hear my rants . I'm team Ralph for life .and I saw in the echo recently articles of others saying the same. Bring him back I say lol .defo be promoted at the very least. buuuut away from dreamland, we need the defence and scouting of the next manager to be underway now.
03 Sep 2023 00:02:57
Although I still firmly believe Bazunas concerned record is due massively in part to the lack of support he gets in front of him . I'm starting to think he only ever does 95% of the save.
It's like he's always there where he should be to get the ball . He moves to the right place, gets down low enough, dives far enough .but then the most crucial part of making contact, the last 5% he doesn't do . It's like he doesn't know his job is to STOP the ball, not just dive after it.
25 Feb 2023 23:14:33
Nope, twas a sober post and one can still be dignified and articulate whilst using the phrase "suck dick" . In todays day and age it simply relates to some loving a person that much.
My point remains though . Fans that were calling for Ralphs head are now cheering for any meagre success. I'm certain Ralph, at the very least would have kept us up this season and though Selles is a more of a positive since Jones (though let's be fair, anyone would have been) . I think his inexperience will be the too much to save us.
The fact is football is filled with fickle fans, from all clubs and fans never seen to take account for a lot of the rubbish they chant/demand and post on online and social media.
People say Ralph lost the dressing room, yet all I've ever read from actual players and pundits alike is how well he was respected there.
All fans here (I include myself in this) think we know what's what but the reality is that if any of us were given the saints job we'd be no better than Nathan Jones.
And so now, we've got an inexperienced manager trying to manage us out of a relegation battle, who has taken over from a guy who was completely clueless who job was also to save and improve us who was brought in to take over from a guy has kept us at the least stable and more exciting than the managers before him.
Fans forget that were Southampton a lot of the time .no matter how good we start to get other teams will always poach our players/staff. I don't believe in the phrase "a selling club" as saints are one that seem to get labeled with it as well.at the end of the day we're a stepping stone for players and clubs because as soon as someone has success here they can resist moving on . I'm saying this because of we had players here still like mane, shaw, van dyk, hoijberg, ings ect than we wouldn't be in a relegation battle. We can't and never will keep these players and so were left trying to replace them until we end up with sub-par players like djenpo, Adam Armstrong, lyanco ect.
Soo, the reality is accepting our place in the food chain whilst looking for ray of hopes. Ralph was a ray of hope because he genuinely looked like he was happy to stay and try and build something. Fickle fans gave hime the boot though .and thus, here we are.
24 Feb 2023 18:49:28
Selles is a breathe of fresh air . So we can hold you to that when your inevitably calling for his head next season?
Fact is, Selles ain't going to do much more than at absolute best maybe, maybe keep us up. Then next season the bricks will begin to fall. It's only fans that seem to have this thing about Ralph. Players and pundits have all gave admiration for what he did for us.
People are sucking selles dick after one game due to him being a better fit than Jones, to which the saints fan are accountable for to somewhat for asking for change. We're see how far that breathe of fresh air takes us after a few games . Point is, if your praising Selles at the end of the season for barely keeping us up .then your whole thing about Ralph is pretty pointless
16 Apr 2023 00:15:53
Not at all pal, some of my earliest posts from long ago had me questioning JWP's worth to the team, however I'm a realist .
Which means and this current moment in time his worth is more than anyones. Sure he's frustrating and has a negative play style . But you have to ask yourself where to goals come from in our team at this moment? He gives us a chance at a goal . Something that no one else in the team at the moment can seem to guarantee us.
I would much prefer him to play a bit like the person he tries to emulate though i.e. Beckham and for selles to pair him with Onauchu.I mean here we are with the tallest striker in the league with supposedly one of the best crossers of the ball in the league and . Nothing.
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Ralph all day for me though . Ralph was here we wouldn't be bottom, fact. Fans get what they ask for, simple as.
16 Mar 2023 20:34:07
You realise all of the above what you said about qualifications and experience of people around them could be said the same for Frank lampard, Steven Gerrard, Wayne Rooney ect as managers .and look how they've ended up.
Fans have this bizzare thing about Ralph and his substitute methods .who cares, at the end of the day he should be judged overall on where we're with him and how we were doing . I guarantee you Ralph would not have relegated us and yet Selles is beginning to show his inadequacy with both tactics/preparation/management/substitutions .and yet if my some miracle he saves us, will be hailed a hero, only for fans to show their real colours when this time next year they will have been calling for his head because whilst he has the character time will tell if he can cut it.
The MAIN thing that fans never seem to take into consideration when results and situations go this way .is the board. Wind back to the Porch - libeher/cortesse days. There was a board who set out a 5 year plan, stuck to it (depspite fans being unsure at times) and achieved it earlier then expected. Fans were shocked when Nigel Adkins was scaled and replaced by a relatively unknown. Yet he board wasn't shocked they knew EXACTLY what they were doing.
Fast forward to today and over the recent years we have had a string of dodgy owners and take overs, none really looking to build something other than their bank accounts. Ralph has a been a manager of Southampton under these recent cowboys .and so whilst we can all throw blame at the players and managers, were not fully aware of the support/restrictions Ralph had behind the scenes.one thing is for sure though, he definitely didn't have the support that Poch and Koeman did.
When a customer goes into a shop to complain, it is the staff member that takes all the abuse/criticism. The staff may have ideas/methods for running that business differently but alas it's not thier business and they're hands are in the end tied but what they are and are not allowed to do.
As for this current board, I will give them credit for listening to the fans but the reverse of that is honestly don't think they have a clue what they are doing .and so listening to fans whilst not having a clue can be a bad thing. For example the fans wanted signings - I believe we we the 3rs biggest spender in the recent transfer window. The fans wanted Ralph gone - the board sacked him but had no idea about a replacement - so we got Jones. The fans wanted Jones gone (rightly so though, who wouldn't) then started saying they wanted Selles - wasn't long until we stopped looking for a new manager and for Selles.
The thing is fans HAVE to take account for some of the things they demand online/social media. I think they think our cries fall on death ears.but accutually and ultimately their cries become herd mentality that gather traction and actions behind the scenes.
Case in point with Ralph - many pundits/experts/and the board were behind Ralph . I know he had some dodgy results at times and yet you could always see that it was more circumstance (lack of getting the signings through the door, injuries, ect) that had an impact on why he was sacked. I honestly believe if Ralph had a bit more luck we'd at least be mid table right now.
Instead here we are with a round of clueless boards and seemingly clueless and inexperienced managers they aren't looking likely to save us from relegation.and to that all the fans can shout is "Why don't we bring tella back" .a player who is scoring in the championship for an inform team playing with confidence. Yea let's bring him back and put him in our squad because that will definitely work out lol.
16 Mar 2023 04:42:49
Let's be fair he's scoring hat tricks in the championship under a manager who was a born winner on the premier league. Let's not blow too much smoke up tellas arse and think he would have been out saviour.
31 Dec 2022 14:23:05
You call yourself a die hard fan, such fans aren't exempt from being fickle btw .and yet use the same cliche phrases/argument all fair weather fans use.
Who doesn't want their team to play with courage and everything they've got?! I think that's essentially what every fan of every club ever wants. The fact is, for endless amount of factors that just isn't possible every game.
There a mitigating factors that play out with every team, players throughout the course of the season . furthermore, no matter how well prepared and setup you are and how fired up you as a team/player are .the opposing team are just as likely to come with a game plan that is going to put that fire out.
You also contradict yourself in talking about saints playing with courage and leaving everything on the pitch and it consequently being a fault of Ralphs. Nathan's Jones has had an unprecedented amount of free time with his new squad for this time of the season, roughly over a month to work with them. That is by far enough time to at the very least install confidence and 'courage' if that was the thing you thought they were lacking. Yet his first home in charge was up there with any of the worse results I've seen under Ralph.
Ralph definitely improved upon the team he inherited, we've got some real gem's as players now, that due to bad luck/injuries/run of results we aren't currently seeing their potential.How many teams do you know of in modern history that have suffered two 9-0 defeats and have gone on to not only recover but put in some decent results and performances against top teams . This shows you that there was more to it, with a full team free of injuries and suspensions I truly believe Ralph would still be here now.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not totally blowing smoke up Ralph's arse, I agree overall there was probably more of a case for him to go then not and on the degree of a spectrum for how close he was to having job security and getting the sack for me he was getting close to the latter. BUT and it's a big but, I had no confidence that the board was going to bring in anyone else of Ralph's pedigree or higher and that it would just be a knee-jerk decision and now here we are. I would have much preferred to stay with Ralph as I believe with the January transfer window and players coming back from injury he would have at the least saved us from relegation.and now we have Jones, who looks certain to relegate us.
As for the post mentioning puel .Claude puel got results by parking the bus everything game, any manager can get results that way. He did the same thing when he went onto licester and was sacked again there for that same reason.
28 Dec 2022 19:16:50
Mediocre performances, I think your thinking of Claude puel.
Ralph was the first decent manager in a string of incompetent ones we had at the helm for a period of time.
I'm not saying he was perfect but what he was, was a builder. I genuinely believe if the odd bit of bad luck through injuries and unsuccessful transfer signings then he would still be here, and you fans would be singing a different song, that's how fickle fans are.
Look at the quality of players he had come in . Walker-peters, livramento, broja, lavia .Bella kotcha looks proper decent.
The majority of those players ^^ were looking to be key integral parts of Ralph's set up, then they all either for injured or in the case of Broja, we were unable to resign him.
Fickle fans always look at the results and make decisions (I appreciate that's one of the main things) but it ain't the end all be all.
When people like you fans call for Ralphs head, you just presume there's some magic well where clubs can pull successful managers from to replace the current one and take the team forward .well, there ain't. If there was, all teams would be doing it.
Ralph will going down as a success in my books and it it wasn't for circumstances and fickle fans, decent success is what he would have brought us.
I can't seem then sacking Jones, a few months into his contract, which means unless we're lucky, were in the championship next season. Which means he will stay as our manager down there and we're just stagnate until the board either get tired of him or the club.