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21 Jan 2026 14:54:56
Adam Armstrong apparently considering moving on/wanting out this transfer window.
As a player this doesn't concern me and he's currently in the right league where we are able to get maximum value for him.
It's just selling him doesn't feel me with confidence like it should .by that I mean what do we even do with the money/player we bring in if the board/manager situation stays the same.
Ideally I'd want the money to go towards a new manager or board but I don't think things work that way.
30 Nov 2025 23:57:42
Might sound crazy but I'm actually glad for the loss at Millwall.
Let's be honest Tonda has to be up there in contention for the job BUT and this is the important part, the only thing that brought him into that contention was this recent run we were on.
Now I know I bang on about the managerial bounce but part of the reason I believe in it is because the guy who takes over gets to unshackle the team by going in and just letting them play a lot more free then we're.
This can only go on for so long though and eventually man management/tactics have to come back into play, otherwise anyone of us here could take charge.
I'm not saying that Tondas reign has all been the managerial affect, not at all. But there definitely was some of watch I mention occuring. So when I say I was happy for the loss it means we get to see how well Tonda and his team adapts to loss and rightly so. I think he would have been giving the job if we had won at the wknd but I think anyone who gets paid the amount they do should be judged on their losses as well as their wins and how they adapt to them.
I'm hoping that right now SR are looking at Tonda and asking wether his wins were down to his management or just the effects of taking over I'm hoping if it's the latter they are continuing their search.
If it was me I'd sit down with Tonda and see what kind of signings he wants to make in January and wether the board approves of them. I'd even hold of giving him the job even if he's doing well until January. I'd keep the search going and of there's no one out there who can match Tonda (i.e. Tondas doing a great job) then gets it's. I think too many times in recent history SR has given the job to anyone who strings two results together, hopefully their learning is all I hope for.
1.) 03 Dec 2025 20:55:21
I tend to completely agree Lesleee, which feels a bit weird. Birmingham at home is a perfect test to see if we have the bounce back ability.
Remember this is at least a top 6 side and we should be performing as much, but this will include losses and as you say a lot depends on our reaction.
22 Sep 2025 11:02:14
Ah, now saint's ggg, you're twisting what I said ?
I did argue a case for keep RM after last year's dismissal season BUT I said it would come with some caveats. The main one being that the club spend the time were working on promotion back to the premiership to find the right manager we need to take us forward .and whenever that man is found not to hesitate or spare RMs blushes.
That is because just like players some mangers are suited to certain leagues/levels so too are managers. Whilst RM wouldn't have been a popular choice he would be back in a league with players he knew playing a style that is more forgiving in the championship. Even as stubborn as he is he would have learned a few things and I do feel we would have been up with the leading pack again.
Instead we have a new manager now, that has to go through the whole process of wether he feels the players he has can make it in the championship.whereas RM would have the players he knew and the ones who were the stars of the promotion the year before. I mean RM finally realised what I said all along about Bazuna and yet it seems like Still is going to waste the whole season conceeding goals until he figures out the same thing, Bazuna doesn't cut it.
One of the endless criticisms of RM was that he was stubborn and not change things and now we have a manager the opposite of that and yet ?. When Will Stills name was being touted alongside Danny Rohls I didn't see much rejection and I saw a lot of people saying we've finally got a proper manager and yet the results have yet to come.
My point is a manger people didn't like DID get us promotion, whereas Still were unsure of. I do think Still will (pun) be decent enough but wether he's the massive turnaround everyone was hoping for I'm not sure.
I remember Guernsey boy saying things couldn't get any worse once upon a time, he's no longer around suprise suprise, but I said at the time they most definitely can and in sacking RM I forecast a foreseeable future as mid championship at best. My point of RM was that at least we'd get back to the premiership, than we could sack him.
As you're aware I said that many months back, but here's an article in SaintsMarching today saying pretty much the same thing.
1.) 23 Sep 2025 16:08:17
Erm, if this is in reference to a comment on another thread then all I said was you mentioned that Martin would guarantee promotion. You did mention this, so no twisting here .
Why would he? We were promoted in spite of Martin, not because of him. He has one promotion on his CV I believe, of a side that should be challenging for automatic promotion and finished 4th.
I also said he is probably better than Still and Juric but he (Martin) certainly wouldn’t guarantee anything except boredom.
2.) 24 Sep 2025 10:06:45
There's never a guarantee to anything, but yes I undoubtedly said he was our best foreseeable chance of getting promoted straight away . Not because I liked him or thought he was a decent manager, simply because he did previously despite that and with the same team. He knew the players and league. The same way I knew Juric was a bad choice for being sacked by the same team 3 times. Instead we've rolled the dice with still and despite you guys thinking I'm crazy/obtuse I posted the link to show others say the same thing now.months after I initially predicted it ?
RM is out of his depths in a lot of areas but if immediate return to premier league is what we wanted whilst spending the time looking for a long term manager whilst doing so, like I say it would have been worth keeping hold of RM for that singular purpose
15 Sep 2024 13:42:45
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12 May 2024 20:48:11
Positives from today is; well for mez its all positive. Mainly because I didn't/don't think we'd win the playoffs and at the moment we're still in a good position .and second positive is whatever were feeling after the result today all the fans of the other 3 teams will be feeling the same as results were same for everyone across the board. We can't be critical if everyone did the same thing. Friday is a fresh start.
1.) 13 May 2024 16:20:27
Completely agree. An away draw is a reasonable result and we should be confident playing at home on Friday.
I watchd the Leeds game highlights on their YouTube channel and it was interesting to read their fans believing they will bottle the playoffs.
So nobody is blowing anybody away and we have a very good chance.
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17 Jan 2026 16:34:05
Said all along .If Stewart stayed fit Will Still would still be here.
Fine margins.
Get Will back I say ??. Suck up your pride board/fans.
Put it down to a hiccup and let's go again I say.
1.) 17 Jan 2026 17:19:31
Your obsession with Still is similar to your obsession with Martin .
Simply out of depth while Martin was a clown - proved by his previous teams and the disaster at Rangers
2.) 17 Jan 2026 21:37:57
Your wrong and I was waiting for someone to call it an obession ? . Think I've only mentioned it a couple of times and he wasn't here long enough for him to be an obession of mine.
What is an obession, that I've stated fro day one, is the boardroom that everything happens from the top. Fans are starting to get disgruntled with Tonda and that's fine but you have to look at it realistically.that same Board are the people who bring in the next guy.
What process/thinking did they put into replacing still .none by the looks of it, basically their top targets were replaced by someone who started to string some wins together.
So for me I want them to get Will back, pretend like whatever this was didn't happen and get back to building something.
It's going to be another disastrous season regardless and they can barely identify a manager when they take time to do it.
The very thing that got us in this position in the first place was a knee jerk reaction with Ralph and they've been doing that ever since
17 Jan 2026 14:14:36
Jalert and Stewart hopefully back to match fit and a new keeper if even marginally better than Bazuna is a positive direction.
I would have liked to see it happen under Still as I've always said fine margins. I think Still had/has more about him than Tonda.
Nonetheless Tonda is our man now so hopefully with these 3 in the team Tonda (if he is the right man) should be able to get us back the way he had us playing initially.
1.) 17 Jan 2026 15:53:48
Doesn't look like it lesleee. 0-2 @ half time. Will we see what Tonda is made of now or will he be out of a job soon?
2.) 17 Jan 2026 16:30:00
I agree. Part of me want to say any team/manager can go on a bad run .that it doesn't necessarily define you. But for me this form is more the realistic reality of what was to come .i.e. that the from that got Tonda his job was down to the managerial bounce.
My point about the 3 players above is that they're strong replacements to what we had even when we were on a great run. So I think by the end of January, with or without an additional signing we as supporters can at least expect to see some improvement/return to form.
Board should have judged him on his losses.
Alas for me this board has to grow up or go .cos it's looking like mid table obscurity like I predicted.
3.) 17 Jan 2026 18:01:57
It’s as if the board are trying to change the very dynamics of football in an attempt to procure the next level in the beautiful game. Problem is…. It will be a new level …. League two level.
Keep saying it… good players don’t all become worse …. tactics and lack of ambition drag them to it!
08 Jan 2026 13:06:01
Daniel Peretz is in.
For me this further instills that Will was on the right track. I doubt that this signing came straight from Tonda. To identify a goalkeeper target that quickly is unlikely.
Still was one of the only managers to identify early that Bazuna wasn't up to scratch. He put his faith in the only option he had McCarthy I and I'm sure he knew too wasn't any better. So I think when January came this signing was being lined up for him.
I reckon he would have identified one or two decent defenders too and I think we would have given it a decent go from here on, but now we will never know.
Now we have to hope that Tonda is the man everyone thought he was and that we haven't given the reins of our club to some novice.
Miller was calling Still a novice but in reality there are novices and then there are .novices. Tonda seems the latter.
1.) 08 Jan 2026 22:39:04
Did you see the keeper in the 5-0 loss to Norway? Didn’t command his area or organise defence.
Have you seen the points Will managed in his games versus Tonda?
2.) 11 Jan 2026 22:29:07
I've heard that Bazunu is off to Stoke City on loan for the rest of the season with an £8 million purchase after.
06 Jan 2026 11:18:50
I do hate being right but it seems Tonda is the living, breathing incarnation of the managerial bounce I was referring to.
I wanted/wished the board to judge him on his losses and wether he was able to return to form following defeat. Alas it doesn't seem like either was the case.
If that run we were on was down to Tonda's managerial prowess and not simply taking the shackles off and letting them do whatever, then he should be able to recreate it. Like I say I won't fully judge him negative/positive until the end of January to see what team he builds/continues to play but it is looking like anyone of us could have done what he did.
As always I put this situation down to the board and (partly fickle) fans. If they never had a suitable replacement for Still then why sack him.
Ultimately I'd sit down with Will Still and look to bring him back. If it's something the players want and the performances weren't down to player attitude to manager. Will built a great team in his first transfer window and I think with this one he could have bought in one or two more.
If the board don't have a clue who to bring in them they should stick with something that has potential rather than chopping and changing
1.) 06 Jan 2026 19:29:07
Made complete sense…. until mentioning Still coming back.
2.) 07 Jan 2026 08:40:34
Taking punts on youngsters like Still and Tonka just hasn’t worked. Our dressing room needs a commanding leader who knows how many beans make five - not apprentices.
3.) 07 Jan 2026 18:28:50
Not necessarily.I don't believe in this old school/hard knocks/leadership managerial approach.I mean pep was a young manager from the start, Arteta his assistant .the same.
It's about getting the combination right and part of the combination is time. I don't think Still was giving anywhere near the time the other guys was and Still for be is definitely the best of that bunch.
We nearly were crowned the worst premier league team in history.anyone who expected us to go from that to tearing up the championship was/is delusional. For me were exactly where I thought we would be . although like I say I would have given Still more time. I think his next team potentially has a great young manager on their hands
4.) 08 Jan 2026 10:28:05
Forgetting Still, I’m intrigued why you thought he was a good manager but much more importantly Leslee.
Why do you think that this team has gone from playing free flowing, fast attacking football, with multiple players getting in and around the box…
To this awful slow build up play, build up is probably the wrong expression as it never builds up to anything!
Same manager and same players .
But complete different formations and tactics to when we were scoring goals for fun!
Has he been instructed to play the SR way?
5.) 08 Jan 2026 12:50:36
This is my point about Still. I think 80% of what he was doing he was getting spot on. When Tonda came in what I think he done was continue what Still was doing but just took the shackles off. This was evident in how we attacked but also in how we conceded every game.
I think if Will was still here now he would change things up but it Tonda is beginning to be found out because he doesn't know what to change up to because he hasn't got as much as experience. At least with Still he was with Riems for a few seasons.
Also if you look at the pre game interviews of the opposing managers of Tonda's firs few games none of them really knew how to train their team for Southampton because they didn't know what style they would play, that gave us an advantage. That advantage is gone now.so teams just look at us and go, OK so brace for the attack, cut them off and then focus on their weaknesses which is defense
13 Dec 2025 14:39:06
The cracks are beginning to show and the post Will run shine starting to dim.
2 loses in the last four and only one clean sheet under Tonda - in a game which Leicester had a red card.
On paper it should have been a winnable game, especially if the run we were on was down to managerial prowess.
Yes it was a handball but also I would never have had Armstrong on penalties.
I'm interested to see what/if any signings are bought in January. He needs to put his stamp on the team and by identifying dead weight (for me Archer, ect) and bringing in one or two solid player's.
As I've said the star players of our recent run are players bought in by Will. So this run is through a team Tonda inherited, which has been a concern for me.it means possibly that Will Still just needed a little more time.
BUT hopefully it's just a dip, big game against Coventry and I won't judge Tonda (positively or negatively) too much until after January. As I say, I want to see what he truly knows about building/putting a team together.
.on a side note, Norwich are now doing what we did. Turn of fortune's with a new recent manager > manager bounce ??
1.) 14 Dec 2025 00:24:21
Yes Armstrong is NO penalty taker ( history shows) and it’s CRIMINAL to leave Ronnie Edwards on the bench with three massive UNDERPERFORMERS In the backline.January FIX is another required positional necessity apart from goalkeeper and striker at the very least, . KOM.
2.) 14 Dec 2025 13:56:01
I think for me downs in midfield looked fragile, wellington has not been at it since his injury, and frazer was not at the races. I don’t really want to go up again. It would be the same as last year if we go up. Let’s have a couple of seasons building a squad, as our 2nd string seem to not be strong enough to cover. GK still a must.
24 Sep 2025 10:06:45
There's never a guarantee to anything, but yes I undoubtedly said he was our best foreseeable chance of getting promoted straight away . Not because I liked him or thought he was a decent manager, simply because he did previously despite that and with the same team. He knew the players and league. The same way I knew Juric was a bad choice for being sacked by the same team 3 times. Instead we've rolled the dice with still and despite you guys thinking I'm crazy/obtuse I posted the link to show others say the same thing now.months after I initially predicted it ?
RM is out of his depths in a lot of areas but if immediate return to premier league is what we wanted whilst spending the time looking for a long term manager whilst doing so, like I say it would have been worth keeping hold of RM for that singular purpose
03 Jan 2024 20:57:11
I never said anything about Stephen's, your point was is KWP bett up the pitch .you said no.
Just because the modern game is more fast "pep-esque" demand more from players in certain positions doesn't mean certain players can't play in places. I agree Stephens isn't a great right back, but I've got nothing against mixing it up . because KWP from day one has always been an attacking full back, not a defensive one .so to argue his defensive attributes are better than his forward play is bizarre. Fraser is ok on the wing, but I'll think your find he's more suited to a Stuey Armstrong roll, attacking midfielder.
02 Jan 2024 12:23:32
I disagree with KWP comment, I'd argue he's better as an attacking winger then he is a defender .at the least he's best in both positions. It's his pace and agility that ables him to get up the pitch but also get back, track and close down players and he's shown time and time again that he's willing to that roll no matter how far up the pitch he plays .so why wouldn't you play in further up?
In relation to other wingers I wouldn't say we have any natural wingers like KWP. Fraser and Sulamana aren't as good on the wing. Fraser isn't as fast and Sulamana although fast hasn't got the consistency KWP has. KWP also has the ability to cut inside and score with the best of them.
So all in all, saying KWP is not effective higher up the pitch is complete bonkers. He's one of our main threats that actually looks to move the ball forward and direct to goal. Sure he's a decent full back/defender but he's an even better winger.
25 Feb 2023 23:14:33
Nope, twas a sober post and one can still be dignified and articulate whilst using the phrase "suck dick" . In todays day and age it simply relates to some loving a person that much.
My point remains though . Fans that were calling for Ralphs head are now cheering for any meagre success. I'm certain Ralph, at the very least would have kept us up this season and though Selles is a more of a positive since Jones (though let's be fair, anyone would have been) . I think his inexperience will be the too much to save us.
The fact is football is filled with fickle fans, from all clubs and fans never seen to take account for a lot of the rubbish they chant/demand and post on online and social media.
People say Ralph lost the dressing room, yet all I've ever read from actual players and pundits alike is how well he was respected there.
All fans here (I include myself in this) think we know what's what but the reality is that if any of us were given the saints job we'd be no better than Nathan Jones.
And so now, we've got an inexperienced manager trying to manage us out of a relegation battle, who has taken over from a guy who was completely clueless who job was also to save and improve us who was brought in to take over from a guy has kept us at the least stable and more exciting than the managers before him.
Fans forget that were Southampton a lot of the time .no matter how good we start to get other teams will always poach our players/staff. I don't believe in the phrase "a selling club" as saints are one that seem to get labeled with it as well.at the end of the day we're a stepping stone for players and clubs because as soon as someone has success here they can resist moving on . I'm saying this because of we had players here still like mane, shaw, van dyk, hoijberg, ings ect than we wouldn't be in a relegation battle. We can't and never will keep these players and so were left trying to replace them until we end up with sub-par players like djenpo, Adam Armstrong, lyanco ect.
Soo, the reality is accepting our place in the food chain whilst looking for ray of hopes. Ralph was a ray of hope because he genuinely looked like he was happy to stay and try and build something. Fickle fans gave hime the boot though .and thus, here we are.
24 Feb 2023 18:49:28
Selles is a breathe of fresh air . So we can hold you to that when your inevitably calling for his head next season?
Fact is, Selles ain't going to do much more than at absolute best maybe, maybe keep us up. Then next season the bricks will begin to fall. It's only fans that seem to have this thing about Ralph. Players and pundits have all gave admiration for what he did for us.
People are sucking selles dick after one game due to him being a better fit than Jones, to which the saints fan are accountable for to somewhat for asking for change. We're see how far that breathe of fresh air takes us after a few games . Point is, if your praising Selles at the end of the season for barely keeping us up .then your whole thing about Ralph is pretty pointless
25 Jan 2026 18:21:58
You can't really judge a derby game.
Derbies are like the Mike Tyson quote of getting punched in the face when trying to stick to a plan.
Fans and pressure will always be on the players back so all in all, considering we nearly won that game I'd take a point.
What's more worrying are the results/performances prior to this game and the likelihood of them continuing.
No point sacking Tonda regardless because they haven't/won't have put any thought of who to bring in to replace him.
I say keep him in the job till summer now and spend all this time carrying on with the search for the replacement they should have bought in to replace Still.
.or do what I said and bring back Still to see out the summer and see if things turnaround for him.
21 Jan 2026 13:12:25
I've said it before, I'll say it now and I'm sure I'll say it again.
Managerial bounce.
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18 Jan 2026 17:07:24
I know I'm not saying I necessarily want a Hollywood duo or big oil money but I just wish we had someone wants to run the club from the bottom up .not just as a business.
The signs were there early doors with the relentless sponsorhips of gambling companies.
We had a what I'm referring to with Wrexham in the Libeher/Cortese days and who knows if we will ever return there.
The only good thing about this board is that they do invest, they just get everything wrong.
Straight away I saw Wrexham would go on to do great things .thats why I put my money where my mouth is and put them done for promotion early doors.
17 Jan 2026 21:37:57
Your wrong and I was waiting for someone to call it an obession ? . Think I've only mentioned it a couple of times and he wasn't here long enough for him to be an obession of mine.
What is an obession, that I've stated fro day one, is the boardroom that everything happens from the top. Fans are starting to get disgruntled with Tonda and that's fine but you have to look at it realistically.that same Board are the people who bring in the next guy.
What process/thinking did they put into replacing still .none by the looks of it, basically their top targets were replaced by someone who started to string some wins together.
So for me I want them to get Will back, pretend like whatever this was didn't happen and get back to building something.
It's going to be another disastrous season regardless and they can barely identify a manager when they take time to do it.
The very thing that got us in this position in the first place was a knee jerk reaction with Ralph and they've been doing that ever since
17 Jan 2026 16:30:00
I agree. Part of me want to say any team/manager can go on a bad run .that it doesn't necessarily define you. But for me this form is more the realistic reality of what was to come .i.e. that the from that got Tonda his job was down to the managerial bounce.
My point about the 3 players above is that they're strong replacements to what we had even when we were on a great run. So I think by the end of January, with or without an additional signing we as supporters can at least expect to see some improvement/return to form.
Board should have judged him on his losses.
Alas for me this board has to grow up or go .cos it's looking like mid table obscurity like I predicted.