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10 Nov 2019 00:02:25
ok it's statistics time, and these have shocked me .
2018/ 2019 and 2019/ 2020 seasons
MIDFIELD
PLAYER GAMES ASSISTS
Romeu 43 0
JWP 38 0
PEH 42 3 (0 this season)

so our midfield are not only slow, can't tackle, they have provided ZERO assists this season . and only 3 over two seasons .

south_hants_rich

1.) 11 Nov 2019 15:23:04
I think it's a bit harsh to judge Romeu based on his assist rate as he is a defensive midfielder that doesn't get forward. JWP on the other hand should have assists next to his name as our primary set piece 'specialist' - although he barely gets the ball passed the first man from corners.

Looking at our overall assists from the first team, no one really adds anything in this field. There is no standout player that has got near 10 assists over the past 2 seasons.

Redmond - 4 assists last season, 0 this year
Ings - 3 assists last season, 0 this year

We are definitely missing a creative head in midfield, but we need a composed CM that can break up play with a composed head and move the ball forward, sort of like Schneiderlin.


2.) 12 Nov 2019 16:25:52
just to add Sofiane Boufal : 2 assists in 4 1/ 2 games!
The name that sprang to mind with a 'composed head and move the ball forward' . STEVE DAVIS . worked his socks off, has great awareness on the pitch, always looking for the forward pass!
Oh we sold him .
there must be a free agent out there somewhere we can sign ASAP.


3.) 13 Nov 2019 08:34:17
I agree Rich, Boufal is probably our most creative player, even though he is wasteful, he gets in good positions on the pitch and is unpredictable. I feel he should be getting more game time than he has been.

RH needs to use the international break to regroup and go back to the basics. If he wants to use his 4-2-2-2 he needs to drill this into the squad. Setting up to defensive does nothing for us. If we utilise and use the 4-2-2-2 formation correctly and press as a squad of players we will create chances. At the moment we are just sitting back and waiting for the opportunity, we need to start getting into the faces of our opponents. Pressing up top will relieve pressure from our defensive, if our defensive shape is good enough then other teams will struggle to break us down.


4.) 14 Nov 2019 00:00:59
I agree with you saintjay . but . pressing is all well and good if when you don't have the ball you can defend/ tackle . and most importantly get the ball back!
I think, like me, you have realised that our midfield is a huge part of the problem. Pressing is good and i love to see it, but let's say we press and yet again one of those stupid 'give away' passes. the opposition are bearing down on us .
our midfield . JWP can't tackle, can't track back quick enough . he's out of the game. Same for Romeu!
So now the opposition have in effect run straight through us .

Sound familiar? Leicester .

there has to be some free agents out there we are allowed to sign now!

More worryingly Ralph has not be sacked . so that means they believe in him? are they watching different games to us? they way he sets up, the way he changes things, his substitutions . his lack of tactical know how . ie 3-1 down playing awful, being over run . no changes til 70+ minutes .

ok so Ralph not sacked . so they believe in him .
so they must think it's the players . well what you going to do about it SFC!


5.) 14 Nov 2019 23:05:51
If we keep with Ralph they have got to provide him with new faces to fit his formation. At the moment drop those who are not performing - Redmond, Bertrand, Vestergard, PEH and JWP. Bring in Vokins, Boufal, Stephens or Yosh, Slattery and Adams. Back in the day Lawrie Mc would have signed Cahill and Toure on frees for decent wages to bring experience to the squad, help in training too. We now need to sign either the best in youth or pay over the top for quality to add. Having said that Ya Ya is still available!


 

 

30 Sep 2019 15:56:38
Not posted for a while, but thought i would share my thoughts on RH.
I am starting to worry he is doing a 'Mourinho'; ie alienating himself from certain players. Clearly a difference between RH and Bertrand, Cedric and his latest Valery.

Playing Cedric on the wrong wing, Danso in a position he never plays ie right back . what was he trying to prove against Bournemouth? how to lose?
PLaying Danso instead of Bertrand previously . and now playing Vestegard RB instead of Valery .

If he is trying to bring their ego's down to earth, it's the wrong way to do it!

south_hants_rich

1.) 01 Oct 2019 03:03:36
It’s confusing with respect to Cedric’s last minute. withdrawal at Tottenham with no explanation offered when so much tactical planning would have been invested prior. Very Peculiar, . We know Ralph is well respected coach but his ‘man- management style would only be known to those closer to him. Perhaps certain players have attitudes not tolerated by him. He obviously requires the 100% support of Squad Players to maintain discipline. It is noticeable however that the dramatic rise of Leicester (under Brendan Rodgers ) & Schalke inGermany (under David Wagner) less time RH has been sorting SFC out!


2.) 01 Oct 2019 17:08:14
I think, for whatever reason, he has diverted focus away from tactics etc and onto the man management side. To play Danso right back was bordering on insanity, to move Vestegrard to right back with Valery on the bench was bizarre. I know a lot of people do say they have contacts in the club, but i do have direct contact with a lot of the younger players and some of the younger ones recently added to the first team squad. I was aware of his spat with Cedric and various other things. He seems to not like egos. While i understand that a bad ego can be negative for a team, a positive, cocky ego can be good for the team. WE are talking about professional footballers who need some cockiness to 'say' to the opposition, we're not afraid of you!
Bertrand has an air of that but why not, he is a good player, gives his all, been there done it. Cedric has won the Euros!

They didn't get where they are being nice, quiet, reserved people!
Maybe someone like Valery it's a different story, he's suddenly come from nowhere and just maybe he has got a bit full of himself.

Maybe RH needs to concentrate on his tactical skills and stop trying to play what is almost devils advocate!

Charlie Austin is a different category - relegated to training with the Under 21/ 23s and i am told was made to clean cars . how true i don't know.


3.) 06 Oct 2019 08:39:58
I think you may be reading more into the situation than is actually there. Team selection is nuanced and match specific and shouldn’t be reduced to simple player – coach disagreements. RH has highlighted that YV has been struggling in training and his performance has dipped. He also underlined its not a case of not trusting YV. He is a young player, still developing and his from will be inconsistent. But now he has been training hard and is looking to be involved v Chelsea.

The club failed to invest in full back positions again this summer despite selling, so we have two right backs, one of which stated a desire to leave over the summer and the other is young and still learning. On the other side, we have one left back in Bertrand.

We praise RH for taking a stern approach with players, insisting they invest in his vision or they drop out, but then when things on the pitch aren’t perfect, you think we should bemoan his approach and say he’s going too far? We should second guess why certain players aren’t playing?

About Valery, RH has already spoken this week. Cedric pulled out against Spurs because of a calf injury sustained during the week’s training and aggravated in the pre-game warm-up. RH also explained the reasons for his line-up choice v Spurs which is perfectly sensible. Yes, experimenting with Danso in a full back position in the past has been unsuccessful, but so what? Given our scant options, I’m perfectly happy for the head coach to try a few things to see what works.

Comparing our team to Leicester and Schalke is ridiculous. Leicester have a very talented squad of players with a balanced blend of youth and experience that should see them challenging for European places this season. That alone is not down to Brendan Rodgers. Schalke have played 7 games so far under David Wagner and a season’s performance cannot be judged after 7 games.

Also, what’s the point in repeating silly rumours about Charlie Austin that you yourself state you don’t know are true? They are the seeds of undermining our head coach and sewing them does nothing but harm. If this forum is to become a negative spiral of nonsense and a platform for sharing unfounded conjecture then I for one will be checking out. Its disappointing that this forum is far more active when we aren’t playing well compared to when we are struggling. I understand why that is, but perhaps things would feel slightly less bleak if there was a positive post for every negative one.

Given we are only 7 games into the season, shouldn’t we just let things develop and see how we get on? RH has already demonstrated more ability than our last few head coaches and given the ability levels in our squad, we cannot expect too much. We are targeting a finish between 10 and 14 place this season. Anything more is unrealistic at this stage. Its frustrating that we are not playing better at the moment but RH has done enough to earn our trust and patience. let's not be hyper-critical before the season really starts to show its colours.


4.) 06 Oct 2019 12:56:27
Just let RH do the job that he was brought in for. He can only work with what he has so we have to give him time.


5.) 06 Oct 2019 13:29:19
He played a left sided centre half in a position he had never played - right back, while moving CEdric to left back and Bertrand on the bench. FACT
It was either stupid or naive or both :-)


6.) 06 Oct 2019 13:32:02
and to add, it didn't work we were absolutely awful! not surprisingly . and as someone who has supported Saints for 52 years, just sometimes criticising the manager is allowed :-)


7.) 11 Oct 2019 16:41:33
@South_hants_rich

Had Bertrand been fully fit, I don't believe he would have played Cedric at LB and Danso at RB.


 

 

20 Jan 2019 11:20:33
I think the problem I have had til now is the (misguided) belief that as professional footballers, they shouldn't need to be told how to play. I have sat back and watched and thought what the dickens is he doing, why did he make that pass, why did he not close that player down. Koeman was a manager that used to watch, analyse and guide the players and he left.

But SIR H. is different, he adds the dimension of passion! many are saying 'oh its great Bednarek, redmond, [other player]' has upped their game. but reality is they were great players, but just needed that tweak. that direction, that steering and now we have it! an exceptional manager in every way. And I know some think we'll lose him to a 'bigger' team, but fingers crossed he loves it here :-)

south_hants_rich

1.) 20 Jan 2019 12:03:17
He will likely leave by the end of next season. by which point we should be rejuvenated and be able to replace him with similar. not the boring dross of a puel or Pellegrino.

It's no good having good players with no direction. Not in the modern game. Also having good players with just "passion" will work for a while but eventually come undone tactically. RH has given them the passion and fight and got the new manager bounce, but he's also sorted us out in terms of fitness, work rate, organisation defensively and a plan when attacking. All of which means it can actually LAST!


2.) 20 Jan 2019 14:12:37
Hopefully the owners/ directors will realise that you can't run a club the size of ours purely as a business. I know that nobody will just throw money at a club the size of Southampton but they must know that if we don't invest we will fall down through the leagues again. Last time that happened we were lucky enough to get Marcus in to rescue us but that's unlikely to happen again. Unfortunately with smaller clubs it's a matter of speculate to accumulate. I just don't think that our present owners are willing to put the money in which makes me question their love of the club. With a little investment RH might be open to staying with us to see if he can get us back to where we were a few years ago.


3.) 20 Jan 2019 19:55:24
I agree that with a bit of investment in new players, RH will stay. He seems to like the club and as he has said before he isn't ready for a big club yet. The fans also seem to love him and he appreciates it, even after matches you can see him looking at the travelling fans or at home.


4.) 20 Jan 2019 21:59:25
You never know if we look after him he might be an old fashioned manager that likes to hang around and see where he can take us. He knows that we'll never be a big club but if he likes a challenge you never know. Whatever he decides in the future I think we need to back him as much as we can now.


5.) 21 Jan 2019 11:33:00
Have you guys watched the fans conference that both Ralphs did last week? Kreuger underlined the whole financial situation. Although Mr Gao hasn't invested a lump sum of money into the transfer window yet, every penny that the club makes goes back into the club. From player sales to match day tickets. They're unlikely to invest in January, but he has hinted that they will be looking to recruit heavily in the summer.

RH summed it up perfectly, by saying that we can't always sign expensive new players and that he'd rather sign someone young into the club that he can develop, so another Bednarek or Hojbjerg or Redmond. Essentially reinstalling the "Southampton way". I mean look at all the players we've spent a lot of money on and how they've worked out:
Vestergaard - okay he's come into the first team under RH but no one has been rating him all season
Carrillo - he played like 2 seconds last season now he's off on loan
Boufal - he's gone off on loan elsewhere
Lemina - good player, but I doubt he'll be able to get into our current team

I just don't think we'll ever be able to please our fans. Half of them want to see youth players coming through the ranks, then the other half want to see millions spent on new players.


6.) 21 Jan 2019 11:29:09
Does anyone think he might get the best out of Carillio and Boufal?


7.) 21 Jan 2019 11:44:49
I would love to change back to the old Southampton way by signing young, hungry players and develop them. Rumours are we trying to sign Clarke from Leeds. "The Southampton Way" type of player. :)

Ralph seems to be really happy here and I hope he will stay at least 'til the end of his current contract. Hopefully much longer!


 

 

11 Mar 2018 23:58:19
There are so many posts on here bemoaning the selling of our 'best' players and replacing them with 'rubbish' . but players like Mane, Pelle were players we 'plucked out of the air'. Even Poch was someone that no one was watching as a manager. We have bought players from Bayern M, juventus, napoli who actually are great players, more established that some of our 'best players' were before we signed them.

What has happened is they have joined a team that has gone very backward in it's choice of manager. From great tacticians who could adjust the formation, spot shortcomings in opponents . to someone who . trying to being polite . seems to have absolutely no idea how to change / adjust formations / tactics based on the opponent and state of play.

I have no doubt (fingers crossed) that MP will be sacked in the next few days; if he is not i would like the hierarchy to explain why not. The club gave him the chance to manage in the PL and he simply ios not up to it. The PL is the best league in the world in terms of depth. MP could never understand how a team with 35% possession and two shots on goal could beat us . MP . welcome to the PL! or rather . goodbye.

south_hants_rich

1.) 12 Mar 2018 07:14:24
Absolutely spot on, players are doing what they are tol and have become totally disallusioned as a result of the clown tactics. When have we ever seen Bertrand give anything less than 100%?


2.) 12 Mar 2018 20:57:01
SACKED!
thank god!


 

 

 

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24 Nov 2019 00:36:57
Really surprised not to see some positive posts on here about today's game.
That was the first game in a very long time that we didn't set out to 'not lose' but actually play to win.

What a difference the team is with a modified midfield. Our midfield has been way too slow, static, poor at passing . well to be honest everything. Remove Romeu (finally) ! and we have JWP playing more of the number 10 role, Armstrong providing speed, positive passing, attacking play!

And a back four that looked solid, that played well together, looked to get forward, looked for telling passes. Ob up front added speed, Redmond slightly better, but he still doesn't get it, Ings is the goalscorer! give him the ball in and around the box and he'll score. so pass to him more!

As for when Djenepo and Boufal came on, they ran Arsenal ragged and were it not for poor finishing could have had five!

So Ralph - stick to that formation COYR.

south_hants_rich

1.) 25 Nov 2019 14:43:32
Back four must be the way forward especially for the next few games. 4-2-3-1 actually suits our players, option to 4-2-2-2 with the players available to come on.

McCarthy Cedric Bednarek DANSO Bertrand Hojbjerg Armstrong Redmond JWP Boufal? Ings

Agree from other posts to maybe hold one of Boufal/ Djenepo on the bench, tough call but maybe Djenepo’s pace off the bench would be more influential, but I’d rather he played longer. Not sure. But looking at how Watford, West Ham, Newcastle, Norwich and Villa are playing, we shouldn’t be scared.

Christmas will also be tough but looking at our fixtures from February 8 onwards, our run in is kind so staying in touch until then is satisfactory to me.

Play like that more and for gods sake will you take your bloody chances. Cedric’s square ball to Obafemi, Redmond not taking an early shot and squaring to Djenepo for the arsenal defend to get back. AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH.


2.) 27 Nov 2019 00:14:27
very well done to Saints team and Coach for their turnaround performance v Arsenal. Hopefully the turning point we’ve all been waiting for. personally Armstrong in the middle was key to making us quicker and more mobile which lifted others performances. Have always agreed with S/ H RICH our mids were sluggish previously (the other two will be looking over their shoulders) With the future possibility of two exiting quick young fullbacks and a quality c/ back we could be on the charge.! The appointment of Matt Crocker as DOF is a very smart move also. Keep On Marching!


 

 

09 Nov 2019 15:51:59
half time against Everton.
Absolutely awful football!
Our midfield is non existent!
Romeu and JWP serve no purpose, they are being played through like they don't exist!
Cedric out of position, just not good enough at LB. Yoshida can play any position across the back. Move Cedric to right back, Yoshida to left back!
WE are AWFUL! not a shot on goal! we are making everton look good, they are passing to unmarked team mates for fun!

south_hants_rich

1.) 09 Nov 2019 18:17:40
The 3 at the back doesn't work we are always going to concede no matter how defensive we play so just go for it. You don't win football he's unless you score. Also with Cedric playing lb y is our other RB (Valery) on the bench?

I would play:

McCarthy

Cedric
Bednarek
Vestergard
Bertrand (when available, but Valery today with Cedric lb)

Hojberg
Armstrong
Jwp

Redderz
Ings
boufal

Just try and score goals. Vestergard has had some good games and some awful ones but has scored this season and is a worry for opposition at corners. Jwp he's got the legs and last year when Ralph had us trying to win games was scoring and creating from midfield. Bring djenepo on when opposition are tired from redderz and boufals quick feet.


2.) 09 Nov 2019 19:19:15
Ralph said we’re not good enough
Wow news flash
We have been saying that for months omg
Why does it take today for him to release that
Jesus I’ve given Up.


3.) 09 Nov 2019 20:09:11
Potentially five adrift if Villa do a job on Wolves tomorrow. Don’t look like winning a game. Ralph needs to do what he wants to do and not what he thinks he has to do to perk up player morale. Why are we still playing so many players out of position and not playing Danso and Boufal. Ridiculous.

If we can’t defend, don’t play most of a back four out of position. And don’t put people in front of them who can’t defend either. Ralph is over complicating everything far too much and it just seems to be spiralling.

International break will either see us reformed or (most likely) get worse, and in a few weeks we could already be gone.


4.) 09 Nov 2019 20:14:14
I agree diggy. Absolutely pathetic display again today. Seems like RH has lost the plot. Playing players out of position when it's already been shown that it doesn't work . JWP gives the team nothing so why keep playing him? Romeu is just too slow and defenders unable to defend. Ings is the only player who seems to be giving 100%. I'm actually feeling for him at the moment.


5.) 09 Nov 2019 22:52:18
1/ WeAre Not Good Enough. Although there are exceptions it’s generally thought that pro-footballers aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed and maybe ours are more blunt than the average after days/ weeks/ months of education, tuition, practice&coaching these players are unable to apply these lessons onto the pitch. ( Needed)1Competant DOF.2. 3proven asst. Coaches.4 Several match winning quality players (Jan)5. A Doctor to treat Ralph’s exasperation &6 finally 1 clever snake oil salesman to convince all of the above that we will not be relegated-&to sign up!


6.) 09 Nov 2019 23:40:51
St John. a doctor to treat Ralph's exasperation?
When Ralph says we aren't good enough, he needs to take a long hard
look in the mirror. He is not helping one bit! He has played more players out of position in a handful of games than i can remember over 10 seasons! Stephens / Verstegard / Yoshida / Bednerek / Danso . take your pic who he's going to play, it seems random! Danso must be thinking what on earth did i come here for! Cedric left back, Danso left back, right back . JWP CM, LWB and RM in one game!

Add the mixing pot switching from 4 at the back / 5 at the back!
And then you add the weakest, slowest, disorganised midfield i have ever known us to have. Focus on JWP or OR and watch them; chasing the ball from player to player, being pulled out of position, not marking their man, not moving with their man, poor tackling, too slow, not tracking their man, poor distribution, poor tackles .
So whatever changes Ralph is making in defence are compounded by a dreadful midfield who offer no protection!

Today you could see centre backs moving the ball through midfield, Ings and Redmond coming back to try and get the ball .

RALPH YOU NEED TO IMPROVE MIDFIELD AT THE VERY LEAST . or we are doomed .

Djenepo, Boufal, Redmond, Ings is a dangerous combination to have on the field!

I am watching my beloved Saints taken to the brink of relegation with no signs of it getting any better. If anything Ralph is making more and more bad decisions - JWP captain why.


7.) 10 Nov 2019 05:21:03
I agree with that of all our coaches none are really proven as assistants or attacking/ defensive coaches all been promoted from "within" get Ralph his team in look where Leipzig are in the bundesliga. Bloke looks so alone and dejected I feel for him. Even the video analyst we got in has not worked with Ralph before so he's got to teach the staff what he wants as well as the players thinks that's why we're seeing no change because the coaches the club have given Ralph doesn't know what or how he wants to play get the man his own backroom team. He was so upbeat when he joined and now barely a year later looks a broken man things behind the scenes must be toxic and or just inadequate.


8.) 10 Nov 2019 08:29:18
I don’t understand what the club are trying to do
All back room staff are leaving with no replacements
Lined up
Who sanctions these decisions
You generally in all types of business have a short list Of replacements
What you don’t have is no list
There seems to be total unrest in the players and I think Ralph unfortunately has to go
Who will come in god knows but something behind the scenes has escalated this now and we now have an international break to sort this out
I expect nothing will happen because there’s no one
Who has any authority left and both our owners
Are not going to sack another manager without a list of replacements
So it’s a vicious circle of doom.


9.) 11 Nov 2019 16:06:31
I really wanted to give Ralph a chance but it looks as if he's out of his depth. He seems to have lost the respect of the players and you can see during matches that his body language is totally different to what it was at the end of last season/ first couple of matches of this season. I think that we need a change sooner rather than later as we're already looking like we've accepted relegation.


10.) 12 Nov 2019 16:30:48
teejay - he looks totally out of his depth!
In fact he looks totally confused/ bewildered/ lost - just maybe he hadn't realised the skill level within the PL.
His playing players out of position, i feel, is a big insight into his lack of understanding. Or, is is simply that Danny Rohl was the tactician/ the brains/ the thinker/ the analyst .
Because one thing for sure, Ralph is displaying none of above atributes .


11.) 12 Nov 2019 18:33:31
I agree re. Danny Rohl being the tactician. Seems like RH was just the middle man passing on Rohl's instructions. I think that something has to change over the next 2 weeks otherwise we'll be so far adrift by Christmas there will be no coming back. I'm already looking at championship grounds to visit next season.


12.) 14 Nov 2019 02:38:59
Let’s Face Up-unlikely anything will change radically until after January Maybe with any luck something will click in the meantime. TRY-McCarthy Valery Yoshida/ Vokins? Bednarek Danso/ Stephens? Hojbjerg/ Slattery? Armstrong Dnepo Boufal Ings Adams (Redders On the bench) Once Adams scores his confidence will soar but should be given further opportunities for this to occur.


 

 

29 Oct 2019 20:31:57
40 minutes gone in the Man City game! 19% possession
What is Ralph trying to do?
this was his opportunity to blend Armstrong into midfield, not but Hoejberg at left back? and stick with JWP and Romeu
Watch JWP hardly touches the ball, never tackles
As for Romeu . TRACK YOU MAN! first goal made a half hearted attempt to mark his man, second goal just ball watched!
FOR GOD SAKE - WHAT POINT IS THIS FORMATION! . our weaknesses are so evident!

south_hants_rich

1.) 29 Oct 2019 21:42:35
It’s more that they don’t get hit heavy again 3.1 there’ isn’t
A bad result to be honest and this is the cup
I’m not to concerned about this cup but it’s now the manner in which we get beat.


2.) 29 Oct 2019 22:52:18
perfect opportunity to make changes in preparation for the league, but once again stuck with OR and JWP.


3.) 30 Oct 2019 08:48:31
We're in a really bad position as a club. We accept mediocrity. We lost yesterday, but for some reason the club is advertising this as a positive thing. I get that we lost 9-0 on Friday night, but still losing 3-1 isn't a step in the right direction. I didn't watch the game but the stats look like we were absolutely dominated and City weren't even trying.

Again we need to completely change the starting 11 on Saturday. I would say this team moving forward using Ralph's favoured 4-2-2-2 formation. As from the sounds of it everyone play out of position yesterday.

GK: McCarthy
RB: Valery (Unless Cedric is available)
CB: Bednerak
CB: Danso
LB: Vokins
CDM: PEH
CDM: Armstrong
CAM: Boufal
CAM: Redmond
ST: Ings
ST: Adams.


4.) 30 Oct 2019 16:43:36
Saintjay - i agree with your midfield and attacking line up completely.
With regards to Valery and Danso - Yes Valery is excellent at his attacking play and crosses, but his defensive positional play is very poor. He seems to be getting caught in the midfield-defense no man's land; also his defensive distribution was very poor.

As for Danso, I'm not so sure it's so easy to judge as RH seems to play him in a variety of positions, even swapping him part way through a game. I would use Yoshida more; his tackling, positional skills and passion are suoerb.

But we are in agreement JWP and OR have to be dropped.


5.) 31 Oct 2019 17:37:57
I'll say it again, the majority of our first team aren't up to premier league standards. Swapping a cart horse for another cart horse still won't win at the races. We are in desperate need of a revamp.


 

 

11 Nov 2018 10:47:27
On Field Discipline . or rather total lack of!
What is going on with our discipline? we were never like this! Hoedt getting involved any time he can . Redmond . Lemina . Bertrand .

Ten minutes to go and they were concentrating on everything and anything accept . football!

If this is all another of MH's distraction tactics, well it worked perfectly . it distracted our team from holding on for the win!

south_hants_rich

1.) 11 Nov 2018 11:32:41
Its quite common to see a struggling team lose its discipline. Whether they are anxious about the result or cross with each other or themselves, that frustration and anger builds as they put more pressure on themselves and make rash decisions that bear no resemblance to ones they would make under less pressure.


2.) 11 Nov 2018 18:25:01
No I don't agree . 'It's quite common to see a struggling team lose it's discipline' . the discipline was not so much about bad fouls, it was about their disgraceful behavior in terms of wanting to 'fight' their opponents at every opportunity. As for Hoedt, it's a shame he doesn't put so much effort into his play and concentration that he does into his self appointed 'hard man' style?

As for him shouting abuse at McCarthy for not coming for a ball. It was not in a place for him to come for it . Hoedt should have read the situation better and looked to clear.

I don't believe Bertrand is right for the Captain's job. He to wanted to argue any chance he had, even after his awful tackle that was a clear penalty. A captain should be getting in there and stopping situations get out of hand, directing his team both football wise and mentally .
Bring on Hojberg . attitude, strength, desire, leadership .
and a good example!


3.) 11 Nov 2018 18:48:50
Agree to disagree on my response then. My experience is that when you see players playing aggressively and shouting at team mates for no reason, they’re often deflecting attention away from themselves and their anxiety.

If you think MH told the players to go out there and do that, perhaps he did. Maybe he thought it would give the team an edge over their opponents or the performance would be better if the players were more aggressive. Excellent coaching if that was his contribution to turn our poor form around as it clearly worked brilliantly.

Hojberg is young and driven but he’s very competitive, is more a moaner than a morale booster and his youth and nature may mean his man management is not up to scratch to be captain. let's not forget that he’s already been sent off this season for a very stupid double booking. If its let's aggression you want to see from your team, perhaps Hojberg is the exact sort of captain you should be opposed to.


4.) 11 Nov 2018 19:56:45
I am guessing that your reply was very tongue in cheek as if you considered the way we behaved as 'excellent coaching', then i'd hate to see bad coaching. It got us precisely no where. Ten minutes to go and some of our players are behaving like a sunday afternoon park game. The Dog and Cat playing the Shield and Dagger where two guys that once dated the same girl when they were 14 decide to sort it out!
I have no idea what you sporting experience is and I 'usually' enjoy reading your posts, but the way to hold on to a lead is to CONCENTRATE on the football. Maybe Hojberg is young but has a fantastic attitude and very wise head . who else would could be Captain? Bertrand is not being a Captain in any capacity at all .
and yes I will 'agree to disagree on my response then'

Just to clarify I have played two sports at national league level, football in a variety of leagues, cricket in a variety of leagues . and crochet at Word Series Level :-) . and I nearly forgot, part of a team that one a National Championship (and no not Darts) . and while I have seen nerves, niggles, arguing . the manager or captain managed problems on and off the court/ pitch .


5.) 11 Nov 2018 20:36:15
I thought it was little old ladies who did crochet 😂.


6.) 13 Nov 2018 09:14:11
Yes I was being sarcastic. Its about the level of coaching I expect from MH but represents the lowest form of coaching.

I wasn't attacking you south_hants_rich or questioning your experience. I simply believe what I said. I totally agree that the best way to win a football match is to concentrate on performing your role to the best of your ability and not get distracted in petty squabbles. But this team is dysfunctional and has been for some time.

I don't disagree with your view on Bertrand. I'm not sure he's the best Captain we could have but I felt the same of Steven Davies too.


 

 

21 Aug 2018 16:25:44
A little, or lot, surprised at us letting Josh S out on loan. Having seen Matty T go out on loan, play regularly, help Fulham to promotion, play superbly . and then come back to warming the bench! there is now no incentive to go and show what they are capable of- unless they simply would like to play football. which after all is there life.

Feel sorry for Matty and don't think Josh has been given a fair chance.

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1.) 21 Aug 2018 16:55:24
Its sad. In an awful season he looked our bright spark. certainly more than ready for premiership football and has been for a while. I tgink it represents the new "southampton way" pay top money for mediocre players in the hope we will keep cashing the premier league cheques. harrison reed, Sam McQueen, josh sims. among some. a long list that I've felt looked ready and were performing well at a high standard. I don't get it and I would rather come 17th with those boys than mid table with carillos and alike.


2.) 22 Aug 2018 10:35:41
So now we pay top money? Two weeks ago the board were too tight and determined to get us relegated by not spending enough?

I can see the logic of Sims going. Even though I agree he should be given chances, he was always going to be on the fringes. Targett is a real success story of the loan system imo having excelled at Fulham, and while he's stuck behind Bertrand right now, it's a long season so let's wait until more than two games have been played to say he's not in our plans.


3.) 22 Aug 2018 11:57:31
I actually think that it'll be refreshing for him to go play in the championship. Our biggest problem is not loaning out our youth players. More often then not, we could have loaned out these players and yet they find themselves playing under 23's football or sitting on the bench to have a 15 minute cameo.
The lack of youth players that have come through the ranks in the last few seasons has been extremely low. These players have been knocking on the door for the last few seasons and actually haven't got anywhere with their career. let's take Reed and Gallagher, they were brought into the squad 5 seasons ago by Poch because of injuries, now if we have any injuries these guys can't get into the team because of the size of the squad. So I'd rather see these guys loaned out and play week in and week out and contribute to another teams success.


4.) 22 Aug 2018 12:14:32
I agree its frustrating as every fan wants a young homegrown player to get behind and be proud of. Targett has shown he can play at this level, Sims has shown he can play at this level. But Gallagher hasn’t and Harrison Reed still has question marks over his best position and whether he can play in the Premier League. Let’s not forget that Targett aside, we also have Jack Stephens and JWP who are academy products who are getting games in the senior set up so its not all bad.

If I’m honest, if someone had such ability they were knocking down the door, they would likely get a chance. I just don’t think we have anyone who’s quite there yet. Sims is exciting but he’s still very raw and inconsistent. I expect to see Targett this season, especially if Bertrand continues as he has in the first two games.

We must also frame our aspirations in the context of the season the club has just endured. Playing young players carries an inherent risk. When we were higher up the league and doing well, the risk is lower as the rest of the team are playing well enough to carry young players, but when the first team is struggling, the risk seems all the greater and with the club not keen to repeat last season, they’re less likely to field an unproven player.

But I don’t think the club is going to shift to buying in young starters every season when there is no need to. At the fans forum, Les Reed stated they’re now looking to recruit youth players who have the potential to play on the international stage. ‘Premier league potential’ is too low to be the talent threshold as every Saints starter plays for their country. I see merit in this approach, as we want to focus on the best young players, but there are also several flaws. Firstly, you’re dramatically reducing the pool of players you consider good enough and it also puts us in direct competition with the biggest teams in the world. This is why the club wants to highlight the Mane success; to entice players wanting to use us as a stepping stone. We may not be a big club, but we’re stable and will give you your big break if you join us.

Secondly, not every player develops at the same rate and some can make an unexpected leap when given the chance to play in the senior side. Plenty of good young players in international youth sides don’t go on to reach their potential and many deemed not good enough for their country at youth level, develop for their club teams and earn a place at the peak of their career. Does this approach mean that we no longer consider those players? It does suggest a leaning towards individual ability rather than team cohesion and less focus on top quality coaching. It also implies that our focus is to be a poor man’s Manchester United rather than a rich man’s Bournemouth or Burnley. Personally, I’d prefer to be the latter if I’m honest but this cannot be achieved with a revolving door of players.

If we take a look at a player we were linked with in the summer, James Maddison, he had a very good season in the Championship with Norwich and earned a call up to the England U21s. He’d previously made an U20 squad but didn’t play due to injury. But he was by no means in and out of the England side or seen as a key player growing up. The season before last, he spent most of it on loan at Aberdeen. Leicester took a calculated risk in not only signing him but starting him in their first two games of the season. This was a player with one Championship season under his belt, albeit a good one. He’s hit the ground running and looks like he will play an important part in their league campaign at the age of just 21. If he carries on playing this way, there will be no questioning his ability and right to be starting, but 3 or 4 years ago at Coventry or even in his early Norwich days, he wasn’t part of the national set-up. So would 16 or 17 year old James Maddison be deemed worthy? We must hope so. Certainly seems to remain an aspiration of the club to develop its own talent and bring it into the first team if they are as capable.

LR stated that talent is cyclical and that does appear to be the case. He also highlighted we have a number of very talented young players at the 12-14 age range so it may be that, if our loanees don’t have great seasons around the country, we have to wait another few years to get the next wave of exciting young players through. In the meantime, the club has little incentive to gamble on our young players with question marks, when they’re able to entice players with international and European club competition experience by being a stepping stone. But if any of our young players can go out on loan, earn valuable match experience and have a season as successful as Matt Targett last season, then they will have earned the right to come back and compete for starting places with the senior side.


5.) 22 Aug 2018 18:24:01
Saints 123.I've not mentioned any point last week about the board not spending enough money. Think you've got me confused with someone else, I thought we had a great transfer window and felt every poaition was addressed. my only criticism may be that we didn't ship out more midfielders but if there are no takers then we can just give them away. I was just saying that gone are the days of the old Southampton way. times have changed and we are spending a lot of money on players, our last 3 signings have broken our transfer record. I didn't say its bad . just different I understand why but I also said what I would prefer. and I actually think sam mcqueen and josh sims looked as good as anyone when given a chance. I just think there is an apprehensive approach due to the concern of premier league survival. I could well be wrong and they may not be good enough, fit enough, strong enough physically or mentally so I am merely offering my view on the younger players.


6.) 23 Aug 2018 10:40:30
Not you specifically Rayzer - was just making the point that the club really can't win. If they don't sign players, they're criticised. If they don't play youth, they're criticised. I think we should all stop trying to over-criticise every decision and just understand whether there is a rational reason for doing what they've done.

To the youth point, I don't necessarily think we've lost touch with the Southampton way, which has been to sign high-potential young players with resale value ever since the new regime took over. It's natural that when we were rising from league 1 to the premier we brought a lot through from our own academy, because we were in a position where these players could grow alongside us. Now we're established in the premier league, we're asking them to make much more of a leap to join the first team, which will lower the number of players we're able to bring through. I agree some of these players need a chance, but we have to be smart about it, because as much potential as Mcqueen, Sims etc. have, if we give them all their chance at once, we start to look a lot like a Championship team.

It's a tough balance to strike, and I think we may have made a mistake not keeping Sims, but I think its unreasonable to expect the same number of academy products in the first team as when we were rising up through the leagues.


 

 

 

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24 Nov 2019 19:00:13
As for takeover . any takeover is better than what we have.
A lot of criticism is aimed at Kat L but come on, her father dies and she takes on a football club - just maybe she wanted to mourn.
She has kept 20% (i think) but I am sure she is disappointed with the lack of 'visibility' by the new owner!
Bring back Nicola Cortese :-)

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24 Nov 2019 18:56:40
In reply, reality is that Arsenal would score some when. Not (for a very long time) because we were awful and going to make a mistake, but simply the quality of some of Arsenals' players. We only drew because we failed to take our chances, simple as that. I think they were booing because we absolutely made them look second rate, we out fought them, out played them. We were superb and out inter play, passing, crispness was superb, at times breathtaking!

The removal of Romeu from midfield was like releasing us from chains. In stead of slow play, negative passing, poor man marking . we were dynamic, fast, clever . and a joy to watch!

I actually HOPE RH sticks to the 4 at the back and keeps Armstrong in midfield. There was always doubt about Djenepo and Boufal playing due to travel/ international commitments. But when they were introduced, Arsenal were run ragged. To be honest, I think RH should have kept one on the bench and strengthened the back/ midfield. We didn't need both on as we were winning at that point.

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14 Nov 2019 00:00:59
I agree with you saintjay . but . pressing is all well and good if when you don't have the ball you can defend/ tackle . and most importantly get the ball back!
I think, like me, you have realised that our midfield is a huge part of the problem. Pressing is good and i love to see it, but let's say we press and yet again one of those stupid 'give away' passes. the opposition are bearing down on us .
our midfield . JWP can't tackle, can't track back quick enough . he's out of the game. Same for Romeu!
So now the opposition have in effect run straight through us .

Sound familiar? Leicester .

there has to be some free agents out there we are allowed to sign now!

More worryingly Ralph has not be sacked . so that means they believe in him? are they watching different games to us? they way he sets up, the way he changes things, his substitutions . his lack of tactical know how . ie 3-1 down playing awful, being over run . no changes til 70+ minutes .

ok so Ralph not sacked . so they believe in him .
so they must think it's the players . well what you going to do about it SFC!

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12 Nov 2019 16:25:52
just to add Sofiane Boufal : 2 assists in 4 1/ 2 games!
The name that sprang to mind with a 'composed head and move the ball forward' . STEVE DAVIS . worked his socks off, has great awareness on the pitch, always looking for the forward pass!
Oh we sold him .
there must be a free agent out there somewhere we can sign ASAP.

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06 Oct 2019 13:32:02
and to add, it didn't work we were absolutely awful! not surprisingly . and as someone who has supported Saints for 52 years, just sometimes criticising the manager is allowed :-)

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06 Dec 2019 16:19:01
Saintjay, I was kinda thinking more positive, as in be in a situation
where you don't need impact subs. But after so long fighting for draws or holding on for a win, i suppose the mindset of winning by a margin and in control is a distant memory. I agree, Redmond would not be an impact sub - i think now we have djenepo and boufal, it just reinforces how far behind Redmond is, and not improving one bit!

Two weeks ago we would have been going to Newcastle looking for a draw at best, trying not to lose. Now I think they will be going with not just a positive mindset but trying to win! COYR.

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05 Dec 2019 22:09:08
To be honest, when Boufal and Djenepo are fully fit, I don't see Redmond get a look in. If we want to play faster, smarter, then it's never going to happen with Redmond ' I'll stop with the ball, look around and do nothing with it'.
JWP not the best tackler but as was said above, when he plays the number 10 role he looks much better and adds so much more to the team; it was good to see that everytime he received the ball, he was looking up, looking forward AND making some good telling passes.

Obafemi needs more than a player role model, he needs to change his whole attitude on and off the pitch - especially off the pitch!

It was great to see Long and Ings together, both very intelligent players. Those two with Boufal and Djenepo now that's an attacking combination!

I also agree Che Adams looked sharp, taking up good positions. i was hoping that we held on to out two goal lead and brought Che on when we were in control of game.

As for Danny Ings - we are seeing him at his best, we are seeing why he was a Liverpool player. We just might get him to stay injury free for much longer! i would love to see him made captain.

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03 Dec 2019 16:58:43
I have been saying for some time how slow and predictable our play has been, slowed down by midfield particularly. As has been said before, Redmond sprints a few feet, stops, looks inside, and you always know he is 'shifting ball onto his right foot'

It is not until you remove Romeu from midfield that you realise what a difference it makes - although JWP in the first half seemed to think no matter where he was on the pitch he had to pass backwards!

Boufal has to play every game, he is out and out our best playmaker, with Djenepo those two are a deadly combination. Hopefully Ralph has now realised that trying to win is far better than trying not to lose! and we have the attacking players to do it!
COYR.

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12 Nov 2019 16:30:48
teejay - he looks totally out of his depth!
In fact he looks totally confused/ bewildered/ lost - just maybe he hadn't realised the skill level within the PL.
His playing players out of position, i feel, is a big insight into his lack of understanding. Or, is is simply that Danny Rohl was the tactician/ the brains/ the thinker/ the analyst .
Because one thing for sure, Ralph is displaying none of above atributes .

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09 Nov 2019 23:40:51
St John. a doctor to treat Ralph's exasperation?
When Ralph says we aren't good enough, he needs to take a long hard
look in the mirror. He is not helping one bit! He has played more players out of position in a handful of games than i can remember over 10 seasons! Stephens / Verstegard / Yoshida / Bednerek / Danso . take your pic who he's going to play, it seems random! Danso must be thinking what on earth did i come here for! Cedric left back, Danso left back, right back . JWP CM, LWB and RM in one game!

Add the mixing pot switching from 4 at the back / 5 at the back!
And then you add the weakest, slowest, disorganised midfield i have ever known us to have. Focus on JWP or OR and watch them; chasing the ball from player to player, being pulled out of position, not marking their man, not moving with their man, poor tackling, too slow, not tracking their man, poor distribution, poor tackles .
So whatever changes Ralph is making in defence are compounded by a dreadful midfield who offer no protection!

Today you could see centre backs moving the ball through midfield, Ings and Redmond coming back to try and get the ball .

RALPH YOU NEED TO IMPROVE MIDFIELD AT THE VERY LEAST . or we are doomed .

Djenepo, Boufal, Redmond, Ings is a dangerous combination to have on the field!

I am watching my beloved Saints taken to the brink of relegation with no signs of it getting any better. If anything Ralph is making more and more bad decisions - JWP captain why.

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