Southampton Banter Archive August 22 2012

22 Aug 2012 23:43:49
Saints should look at Michael Dawson would be a great signing for 9m, Adam Johnson 8m (as Ramirez deal has broken down), Steven Caulker loan and that should conclude our transfers for the summer.

Won't get Caulker AND Dawson! Spurs need a defence too you know

I would be more happy about johnson than ramirez my humble opinion

Different styles. Ramirez exceptionally tricky and will be a nightmare for defenders. Also his left foot would be a great addition for free kicks. Johnson, very direct, pacy and an eye for goal. Either would be a brilliant signing. I think Ramirez is more likely as we have already tried Johnson some time ago.

Qpr have agreed a fee and personal terms I think and dawsons having a medical there. We want get him unless qpr are as Good at transfers as we are

That would be my 3 dream signings highly doubt even 1 of them will happen though

Dawson is a great player but way too injury prone

22 Aug 2012 21:33:19
So moving on from the ramirez rubbish, we need a CB RW and LB, who would you like to see, i think erik pieters of psv for 5 mil would be a great signing, susaeta at RW could be a good option as the is an exodus at bilbao after getting rid of the long term manager. and Cb im not really sure, douglas texiera would be nice but he may be out of reach.
Jas93

Matt Phillips is our man - throw in Punch and Steve on loan That gives us Lee Jay Rickie Guly Billy and Matty up front

Midfield id fine Adam Corky Spider JWP Davis and Chappers

LB we have Fox and Shaw
RB is Nath and Rich
GK Kd and Gazza

So just Dann or Chaulker or Douglas at CB and we are just fine {Ed003's Note - They are overun with midfielders though,they need a striker}

Lb martin or brett I forget olsonn might be too expensive but he has the strengths a dynamic lb needs and I think wants to leave, or danny rose dunno if he is going to played a lot or whats happening but he's worth it

Cb tbh not good at judging how good a cb is apart from like top 4 quality compared to rest of league apart from a few others,
in dream world it would Brett Hangeland and Steven Caulker.

Though would like to point out cbs are tuff one because its not like cm's a difference between a lcb and rcb matters so we might need two.

rw I dunno adam johnson but that's never going to happen maybe phillips not got a good knowledge of foreign wingers and it'll probably have to be foreign as I can really think of any really good british tricky wingers, I know iker munian is amazing but dunno if he would think saints would be a step down.

I think sell De Ridder off. Get in Phillips (Possibly Ramirez but not certain that's going to happen). I'd like a Centre back who's Prem standard but not seeing who. I'd love Caulker or Shawcross but can't see either happening. Finally I think we should look for one more keeper a tad more experienced than Gazzaniga like a mid twenties keeper who has some top flight experience (not necessarily from England though).

Players that id like to see come to saints and that i think are reasonabbly realistic are:

CB: Michael Dawson/Brede Hangaland/Curtis Davies. Plus possibly an older more experienced CB with prem experience who will be happy to sit on bench.

LB: Kieran Richardson or Danny Rose (on loan) preferrably rose on loan as im sure shaw will be first choice next season.

RW: Matt Phillips. Think its only a matter of time before this goes through.

Would also like to see a CAM but this is not a priority. Mark Davies of Bolton would be a good shout for this position or someone from the continent.

Ild play both richardson and rose in midfield. how come you have them at left back ?

22 Aug 2012 20:47:22
Very unimpressed with the way we are handling transfers. Something not right, and we seem to be falling out with anyone and everyone we negotiate with... Think about it... We even managed to fall out with Rangers and Palace over the signing of Davis and Clyne respectively. Whilst we might well be owned by Billionaires, the net spend on player transfers since NC took charge has been £3m... Not exactly a "statement of intent" as we are always hearing about and reading about from NC... Actions speak louder than words NC... So? What is it to be NC? Are we a STILL a selling club, or are we finally a BUYING club??... All the fans will know by Friday 31 August I guess...

I agree with above although we have a good team we aint prem quality and we need to be to stay in prem cortese pay up had no prob taking money for ox and he has a long way from being finished and people say that was good bisness

The only reason we aint sold shaw is because only a couple of mill was on offer if an offer comes thats any where nere ox he will be sold to

And rightly so.... £15m for a 17 year old left back completely unproven at top level. We could replace with real quality for £5m e.g. Buttner £4m. £15m for Ox was brilliant at the time. Fresh out of league 1 - only saints with NC could have got that kind of figure. Everyone has their price. I have every confidence that no one will be sold on the cheap - you only have to look at Puncheon and Oxlade Chamberlain for that.

Don't get the animosity about NC and the transfer situation... We've got four new players in. We aren't actually THAT bad! People are making it sound as though if no transfers go through it's the end of the world. Especially amusing when (lets be honest) most of us have no idea how good Ramirez, Buttner et al are anyway. Take a look on another clubs rumours page - notice how fans of almost every team are saying the exact same thing? That's modern football.

And look at QPR for an alternative, signing every aging, injury-prone, wage-heavy player available - wonder why those players are being sold?!

Plus this myth about us being one of the richest clubs in the country is just that, a myth, the Liebherr family's money is their money, not ours! NC and the Liebherr's are building Saints to be a sustainable club, and rightly so - we saw the club collapse in on itself only a few years ago...

Can we have some perspective please!?

Since when did we fall out with Rangers and Crystal Palace?
Rangers were delighted that Cortese gave them compensation for Davis
We agreed compensation for Clyne plus Crystal Palace have Aaron Martin on loan.
I see no evidence of a fall out with either team.

22 Aug 2012 18:38:56
I personally think Saints are being ridiculous. First they let the Buttner deal collapse after agreeing a fee and terms with the player because we grew impatient too quickly, now he's managed to sign with United?! Why couldn't we just have paid 3rd party like United did and then we'd have a Prem worthy left back!
And now we're letting Ramirez go because it's taking Bologna a little longer than expected to get the loan? That's rubbish. We have 9 days left of the transfer window and Bologna could easily sort it out by then. We don't want to watch another play go to a different Prem club just because Saints became impatient too quickly.
I know we put a great performance in on Sunday, but we can expect our boys to keep that up for 37 more games with our current squad. We needed Buttner, we need Ramirez.
It wouldn't surprise me if no new players came through the door between now and transfer deadline. It's frustrating.

Id put money on it that we sign absolutely no one iv'e had that feeling for a while

I meant to say "we CAN'T expect"

NO. Buttner and his agent stalled the deal to wait for an offer from man united because when we had the deal nearly wrapped up Red nose Ferguson informed them of Man Uniteds interest so we started looking elsewhere... If a big club like united come sniffing around we have no chance

And we don't need Ramirez, we NEED a centre back! Rameriz would be a luxury

22 Aug 2012 18:00:55
Bologna have ruind our chances of signing such a good player! Game over, can't believe they havent agreed all terms with saints with all there problems, hope they go into administration!!

Grow up. If it wasn't right for us, it wasn't right for us and we move on.

JJ

22 Aug 2012 16:02:41
Are we the only team on the plante who cant secure a sodding transfer for a player atm! its all great almost signing people who are class players but what would be better is if we ATUALLY SIGNED THEM. thi is just another buttner, we have spent a week faffing about trying to sign him only to pull out when it looked like we were almost there.

No were not the only team look at west ham

No we are, west ham can sign players, they just decide to buy the wrong ones and offer 10 mil for jarvis whos worth 5 mil tops.

West ham have problems but at least they have international quality

22 Aug 2012 15:33:27
The agent of Gaston Ramirez expects the player to remain at Bologna after his proposed move to Southampton collapsed.

Ramirez was openly talking about a switch to the Premiership club last week, but the transfer has hit problems.

“Negotiations with Southampton have definitely ended,” Oscar Betancourt told Calciomercatoweb on Wednesday.

“I spoke with the President of the English club again today and they are now looking at other players.

“Ramirez was happy with the offer he received, but Bologna didn’t want to close the deal. I think, in all probability, that he’ll now stay where he is.”


Source: Football Italia

Oh Sh1t :-)

Saintlee.

22 Aug 2012 15:25:39
So according to SSN the Ramirez deal is dead due to Bologna's financial troubles. It now looks likely Ramirez will be staying put. Think we need to lower our sights slightly and NC and NA dont seem to have the pulling power to attract any players higher than a good championship level.

22 Aug 2012 14:58:35
Gaston Ramirez - all over. His Agent said that he was happy with the offer Saints made, but that he would be staying at Bologna. Bollox

22 Aug 2012 14:48:56
Sky Sports reporting that the Ramirez deal has broken down over costs, apparently cortese was contacted to day by Ramirez agent, and cortese made it clearn saints are looking at another target.

22 Aug 2012 14:47:35
The Ramirez deal is off, on sky sports, the club couldn't accept our offer of spread payments as they are cash strapped and needed all the money in a lumb some after failing to secure a loan with a bank.
Why does all our targets this year get throw into the media then collapse and makes us look bad, not to say all also disappointed.
I dont see why there club would conisdwe selling him if they need a loan from a bank? Can someone please help with this?

Hope we bring someone in this week

JustASaint

22 Aug 2012 14:35:14
Yet another twist in the Ramirez saga. His agent has today said that negotiations are off after talking to NC and that we're looking at another target as Bologna didn't want to close the deal without guarantees from their bank. I'm dissapointed but to be honest, very bored of the whole thing. Lets see who else we bring in.

No one!! Reality check please.

22 Aug 2012 12:08:03
Source: Daily Mail & Echo
The only thing stopping the deal going threw now is bologna waiting to get a loan as they are cash strapped they are planning to use the southampton payments to payoff the loan as southampton aren't going to pay upfront. I'd like some input though on how often this happens that clubs get loans and what requirements they have to reach and how likely it will be to succeed

SamSFC {Ed001's Note - on the subject of loans, transfer moves used to be pretty much entirely funded by short term loans, until banks stopped providing them. That was why last January was so quiet, no loans were being given so clubs couldn't spend.}

22 Aug 2012 11:48:03
There was a deley on the Ramirez deal due to his previous club insisting on 30% of the deal but this has all been resolved and the switch is set to take place in the next couple of days.
Benjie ;-)