Southampton Rumours Archive June 10 2013

10 Jun 2013 13:30:17
Some interesting decisions to be made over the next weeks/months as Saints prepare for a new season. Understand that the club has indicated that Ramiez can go - he hasn't settled in England - and that the weekend media story is true. Also understand that Shaw may well leave over the summer (ignore all the whinging "he won't leave, he loves the club" tedium). Shaw will clearly want to go if someone like Manchester United or Chelsea or Arsenal come in for him. Expect a large Oxlade-Chamberlain size fee, paid over a 3 year period.

Most of the clubs targets will be Spanish or Italian or South American players but Saints might well snap up Squillaci on a free. Saints were linked with him in January on a loan deal but a permanent signing is on the cards, albeit on a 1-year contract with an option for one more year.

Looks like Icardi from Sampdoria might be a loan signing to excite the fans. Highly rated young forward. Plus there are plans to bring in a midfielder and a winger but not likely to be household names. Don't expect Southampton to spend more than £7 or £8 million on any single player.

, every word is utter rubbish!

Mini-Saint

If you are correct on those points I will donate £1000 to your favourite charity, just say what that is here and I will remember that.

Rubbish! Doesn't even warrant a bigger response than that

Whoever you are that posted this rubbish, you are certainly not a Saints fan and know nothing about our club.

A) We are not a selling club, so wake up "Big Clubs". Shaw does not want to leave for one of you and we certainly won't sell. Your advised terms over 3 years are laughable.
B) Saints have never shown interest in Squillaci or any other ageing player. We don't buy ageing players. you have confused us for Stoke or West Ham
C) You are out of date on Ramirez. He doesn't want to leave, we won't sell him. If players want to leave, there is a common theme, i. e. Suarez, that they don't come out and declare their intention to stay
D) Household names? Not sure what you mean by that. I believ my earlier comment covers that, we don't buy ageing hasbeens. Though you may be right on one count, I don't think Erik Lamela or Davide Astori are household names. though I'll be surprised if we get them for bargain prices.
Now get lost tiresome WUM, I am looking for some real gossip or rumours

St Ripper

1 gastons said he's happy at saints, 2shaw said he wants to stay and will sign a contract 3 squliacui is s**t 4 we have monety and will spend it.

You clearly don't understand the Shaw or Ramirez situation. Chelsea have come in for Shaw and it's well known he's a Chelsea supporter but they've been advised by both Shaw himself and the club to look elsewhere. Shaw is going nowhere. The differences between Shaw and Chamberlain are obvious, 1) We're Premier league now and 2) Chamberlain wanted to go where as Shaw really doesn't (including his parents urging him to stay apparently). Ramirez is also likely to get another chance next season as he has said he wants to stay over the summer and selling him is not something Pochettino wants to do.

Only trouble is Icardi moved to Inter in April from Sampdoria. Unless you believe he'll be loaned out by them?

Clearly a poopey fan obsessed with us stop making stuff up Ramirez won't go shaw won't go end of run along back to league 1

Actually, you must be an Arsenal fan because:
1) You still think Arsenal are in the same bracket as Man U or Chelsea
2) You think that Arsenal and their lost ability to develop players would possibly be of interest to Shaw, despite having seen what a mess they have made in bringing on the Ox
3) You think Arsenal could even compete for the signature of Luke Shaw if he was for sale
4) You think that anyone cares about Squillaci and what is happening to him.

Still, who knows, you may be right about Icardi.

St Ripper

To be fair, that's probably the best spelling and grammar I've ever seen from a skate. But still, absolute nonsense as usual.

This same post was posted yesterday and I complained to ed as this poster is definitely a person who dislikes saints and not a saints fan or someone 'In the know'. Ed's swiftly took it down but now this person (who I generally feel sorry for as he has nothing better to do in his life other than trolling our page, which must of took sometime to write that to make it sound the tiniest bit plausible) Suggesting that Shaw will leave is one thing but saying we will sign Squillaci is ludicrous, obviously not going to happen we sign young player's with potential and resale value not old Arsenal flops. Can't wait to put these cretins in there place next season playing some fantastic football, taking the game to the big teams like last season but with a much more solid defence

"There is a lot of talk about the transfer market but I think I'll stay at Southampton, " Ramirez told an Italian football website.

Shaw has also stated that he will be signing a new contract in the summer.

Arsenal. really?. how to ruin you career. you could be "the next Theo Walcott"

Chelsea and Man City have no youth policy to speak of and Man United actively encourage players to develop at there original club and sign for them if they prove themselves.

Might be right about Shaw. Might be wrong.

Certainly right about the way transfer fees are paid.

Over 3-5 years was the norm until the rules changed last year. Now the maximum term is 3 years

Saints are not a selling club - aaaaaaa!

It is quite amusing when "persons" post on our site and think they can do so without knowing anything about our club!

I blame the Latvian nannies, but then for £3/hour can't expect them to do their homework AND teach them about football! Try a bit more homework and you might not flunk the next test.

Saint Martin

Is just looking for a reaction so, ignore that post as they clearly know nothing about football

Its that troll who's been commenting on every luke shaw rumour over the last month comparing him with oxlade chamberlain

Ooooh. Saint "I disagree with every post I've not written" Ripper has commented. You should start your own page with saint "I argue with everyone and think every other saints fan is actually a Pompey fan except me" gazza. I worryingly can see all this happening as, every decent player through our ranks that have attracted interest from arsenal up have left, and we can't afford to buy 4-5 £20 m potential flops.

Thought there had to be a little bit of sense in it but I was disappointed. Every aspect of this is false and only posted to attract attention

We do not need to be selling Shaw and co now. Yes previously we needed to because of lack on funding and with Chamberlain being in too low a league. But with Shaw we are very rich and in the Premiership. Plus we can afford several £20million buys if the owners back it with their billions.

The first half of the replies to this post has 1 disagree, the poster clearly went offline, otherwise they would all have disagrees.
Anyway all I have to say about this post is, utter rubbish!

A lot of it sounds very, very plausible.

Southampton might not need to sell but if a "bigger" club comes in for Shaw and more importantly, if Shaw wants to leave, then he will be gone.

Something has unsettled Rameriz, might only be something minor but the story over the weekend had the ring of truth.

Most of all, I do agree that Southampton won't be spending lots of money on individual players. I would imagine money spent across the squad, rather than blowing large sums on household names.

Some of the replies are frankly hysterical and smack of chavs with too much time on their hands. Even if a wind-up, why react like spoiled brats?

'Saints can buy several 20m players if the owners back us'?? let's get real our owners are not oil tycoons or mega rich sheiks and will still want to make a profit from the club. And finincial fair play puts us in a similar spending bracket to most of the league outside of the top 6, probably less than most. Some of our fans are embarrassingly deluded!

Regarding Gaston R and all the rumours. Out of interest how may people think he was worth the 11.5 million we paid for him.

On occasions last term his body language was a bit of a give away in my opinion (fed up) but my biggest concern would be that he has no acceleration to go past players.

What do people think? I need convincing

5 richest club in England ^ all I have to say :) oh and while i'm at it the chairman has ambitions to be in the champions league where the "BIG" money is, and he knows the family very well so i'm sure they have seen his plans and backed them, plus to what you said about "fairplay rules" so many loop wholes its stupid. Southamtpon fans can be told we are deluded but truth is NC is ruthless and gets what he wants so let's just wait and see :L

LudacrusS

Respect to fellow Saints fan above however some of us are not embarrassingly deluded to a point. I agree that some of the so called transfer targets are a bit shall we say ambitious bordering on wishful thinking however a lot of this is driven by comments from within our own club & talk of European football within 2 seasons etc. Now we as fans did not make this part up but are to a point getting carried away with linking just about every player that comes to market with ourselves. In fact I sometimes think it would be easier just making a list of who we are not going to sign! Regarding the financial fair play guides coming into effect - these are not hard & fast rules & indeed there is a large degree of sway shown to clubs that are moving forward towards the intended areas. Plus with a proven successful banker in charge, I suspect we have many ways as do other clubs of skirting around the edges of the so called rules. Players wages for example are not as cut & dried as a normal employee so a players income can be made up from a variety of sources without it impacting the actual wage to revenue too much. And finally, agree, our owners are not oil tycoons or sheiks but they are billionaires & by the time the balance sheet & P/L come out even a max £105million loss in FFP guides over 3 seasons is small change to them. So yes, I would love to see exciting players signed, yes I would love to see European football at St marys at least once in my lifetime but in the same breath I do not want our club to suffer like it has in the past & I also wouldn't particularly enjoy us being a bottom half club that are always flirting with relegation. A tough balance to strive for but I trust NC completely in all matters.

"A lot of it sounds very, very plausible.

Southampton might not need to sell but if a "bigger" club comes in for Shaw and more importantly, if Shaw wants to leave, then he will be gone.

Something has unsettled Rameriz, might only be something minor but the story over the weekend had the ring of truth.

Most of all, I do agree that Southampton won't be spending lots of money on individual players. I would imagine money spent across the squad, rather than blowing large sums on household names.

Some of the replies are frankly hysterical and smack of chavs with too much time on their hands. Even if a wind-up, why react like spoiled brats?"

ill informed skate, Shaw atm has said he wants to stay, so you're wrong there

Ramirez said he wants to stay over the weekend no news of him being unsettled, so you're completely wrong there

and finally you are a massive hypocrite and a sad excuse for a man as all you are is a wind up merchant who must have more time on his hands than all of us as you come on to a page of a team you do not support and write slightly convincing posts so that eds thinks you are a saints fan when it is so clear that you are not.

Another temper tantrum.

Read what I said about it being possible or "plausible".

I said nothing about it being definite.

Truth is that Shaw might well leave. Therefore, it might be possible rather than probable.

Read posts first before throwing teddies. If you don't understand, ask first. I am sure a nearby adult can explain for you.

There are some "persons" who try and make out they are Saints supporters, and then use their posts to simply slag off Saints supporters!

Sometimes hear comments that Saints supporters are "arrogant", but see little sign of them being trolls.

If you want to slag off Saints supporters not a problem. But when you have to try and hide who you are and what your real motivation is, then that is really sad. Get a life along with some knowledge about what you try and "pass off".

Saint Martin

"5 richest club in England ^ all I have to say :) oh and while i'm at it the chairman has ambitions to be in the champions league where the "BIG" money is, and he knows the family very well so i'm sure they have seen his plans and backed them, plus to what you said about "fairplay rules" so many loop wholes its stupid. Southamtpon fans can be told we are deluded but truth is NC is ruthless and gets what he wants so let's just wait and see :L "

Utter bilge from someone who will end up disappointed.

I don't know who is worse: windup posters from other clubs or deranged Southampton fans.

It will take years to dislodge Man Utd, Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal from CL slots. Spurs are close to it, Liverpool also.

Champions League football for Saints is a myth in the short and medium term

Brilliant. Based on the abuse you gave me, I think I am right that you are an Arsenal fan. Loser.
Ha! Shame you don't have the integrity to sign off your posts.

St Ripper

"Most of all, I do agree that Southampton won't be spending lots of money on individual players. I would imagine money spent across the squad, rather than blowing large sums on household names"

I don’t agree

Spending money “across the squad”, was the old business model employed by Lowe. He even said in the official site that he and the board shared the philosophy that it was better to take a large number of small risks than a small number of large risks. This may well work with a share portfolio by the result in a football club of this was a large squad of average players, a large wage bill and players that no one else wanted

Cortese, mitigates large risks by empowering the professional scouting network he has assembled. This way the large outlay does not necessarily represent a large risk. Take Ramerez, 12m is a lot, but if an Italian team came in for him and we sell at a loss say 8m, we have lost 4m which is exactly what our transfer fee was for Rory Delap and how much did we get back on him!

Based on what we have done every season I expect Saints to make 1-3 signings of players that will improve the level of the first team with gaps due to injury being filled by youngsters.

Saint "I disagree with every post I've not written" Ripper, it wasn't abuse darling, simply an opinion of all of your negative responses on everyone else's comments. We "real saints fans" at hoping that we don't lose our good players, but history has taught us that this happens. Therefore it would be remmis of us to not plan for such an occurrence. I tend to agree with the original post.

A real saints fan what has been to the actual stadium.

You tend to agree with the original post?, yet you say you are a real Saints fan? Well, the original post was from a troll pretending to be a Saints fan, obvious to all Saints fans apart from yourself, and your knowledge of Saints seems to be based and centred on their history.

Seems to me that there is a whole group of wind up merchants out there, with little knowledge and pretty sad lives.

Saint Martin

With respect Martin. Luke shaw is the hottest prospect in English football at the moment, Arsenal couldn't hold on to fabregas, Henry, nasri, toure or adebayor in recent years and they are a bigger club. I'm not saying we will lose shaw, and I genuinely hope we don't, however anyone with any sense will look to protect the position vacated if he did choose to move on. It does happen and there is a chance that it will.

Yes, it does happen, and could happen-at some time in the future. But the player and the club have clearly stated he will be here next season with the opportunity to play in the EPL week in, week out. Don't see any of the top 4 clubs offering him the same, so what would his motivation be? He seems to be pretty serious in developing his career and he will not do that loaned out, or on the bench. No benefit for Saints to sell now either, they don't need the money, would only have to spend out on a replacement and the lads value will only increase with time (injuries aside. )
The management have made it quite clear Saints will be looking to progress as quickly as possible into the top six of the EPL. Might not happen, but whilst the club is able to demonstrate to the player squad it is following that course, why should any young first team player who is happy at the club want to move? Your "examples" of Arsenal players were hardly 17/18 year olds starting out in the EPL but players who were starting to think about was time going to run out on them fulfilling their playing ambitions.

From everything the lad has said and done he seems to have a great deal more sense than a number of "Saints" supporters who either have not been noting that, or are simply not what they make themselves out to be!

(Having said all that, he could still meet a French girl and go off to play for PSG! But only a few more weeks until he turns 18 and then all of this can be forgotten about-until the next window. )

Saint Martin

I think Saint Martin talks a lot of sense and consistently references where Saints are, not the WUMs who keep pointing out where we WERE

Keep posting, you are a sane voice on a mad rumours page :D

St Ripper

Funny, another reference to the 'Big Club' Arsenal.
Strange, that if they were such a big club, why do they keep selling all their talent?
I'd say that from a footballing perspective, we are a Bigger side than Arsenal now. Champions League or not. We certainly played them off the park last season anyway.

St Ripper

Ok. I will swallow my previous post in leu of your point st Martin, you are right, it does benefit shaw staying put for another season at least, and I (afore mentioned) hope he does. And it seems that he probably will do, and the arsenal references in terms of their players leaving based on age and bettering themselves with bigger clubs is right. But ripper, I am sorry, but because we beat them that doesn't make us bigger than them, your opinion that we are bigger than arsenal, at this stage is remarkable and absolute nonsense! Don't get carried away mate! I hope your right Martin, you do make sense, I just hope Luke echos your principles.

This is the same saint Martin that said Leighton Baines isn't very good and that at 28 he's never worth the £8m we were rumoured (falsely) to have offered. {Ed003's Note - You are all gobbing off but not one of you has the guts to register a name? pathetic and childish! }

You gob off all the time Ed, and haven't got the bottle to put up posts disproving your unfounded theorys, pot kettle, black? {Ed001's Note - point proven, gobby tit who just happens to 'forget' to put their name to this post, hey st stuie? Sad and pathetic that you haven't the balls to sign your name to this.}

Apologies Ed003, I thought I had

Could you advise if the first person who posted the initial information on this string is one of the same people who has subsequently been posting, posing as a Saints fan?

St Ripper {Ed001's Note - it is the only post on the site from that particular IP address, though that doesn't necessarily mean s/he hasn't posted from another one.}

This is the Saint Martin who didn't believe the prices being suggested at the time for Baines by EVERTON supporters of £20m were valid-and still doesn't. The figure of £8m is a strange one because there was never any chance that was realistic.

What I really like about Shaw is that he has all the signs of making a really strong LB and possibly a really good attacking LB to follow. Baines still gets caught out defending against quality wingers. I have made the same comments about Buttner-who is dire in this respect.
Maybe I watched a different Brazil V England game, but my feeling after that is if he hadn't picked up an injury England would have been exposed down that flank-you could see it happening before he was injured. That's why I would be so worried about his age-if he hasn't managed to correct that problem by now, it certainly isn't going to get any better.

Saint Martin