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14 Feb 2018 20:29:19
{Ed's Note - figodasilva has posted a new article entitled, Finishing positions for the bottom half of the Premier League

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19 Feb 2018 11:10:56
Nice article Figo! I've posted my predictions for Saints remaining fixtures below.
Burnley Away - Draw
Stoke Home - Draw
Newcastle Away - Loss
West Ham Away - Loss
Arsenal Away - Loss
Chelsea Home - Loss
Leicester Away - Loss
Bournemouth Home - Win
Everton Away - Win
Man City Home - Draw

Very pessimistic view here and I would like us to get results against other struggling teams, I just don't think it'll happen. Maybe we can go to Burnley and host Stoke and win both of these games. That'll put us in a better position to stay up. But with only 5 wins from 27 games, we don't seem to have a winning mentality about us and based on everything that has happened so far I can't see us turning around and going on a 5 game winning streak.

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19 Feb 2018 17:05:16
I wouldn’t go to the bookies with them predictions 😂.

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19 Feb 2018 19:43:51
You'd get some amazing odds.

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20 Feb 2018 11:28:44
I might have to stick a couple of quid down on that then haha. What results would you say would be different, obviously looking back at what I've said 5 losses on the bounce is probably unlikely.

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20 Feb 2018 12:21:35
My predictions would be
Burnley away - Draw
Stoke home - win
Newcastle away - draw
West Ham away - draw
Arsenal away - loss
Chelsea home - loss
Leicester away - loss
Bournemouth home - win
Everton away - loss
Man City home - loss
That will put us on 35 points, just hope I’m wrong and we get some more wins. Our season is going to be decided in the next 4 games.

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20 Feb 2018 18:26:33
I think you're right that the next 4 games are going to be very decisive on the points front. We must also remain as tight as we can against Arsenal and Chelsea, frustrate and perhaps nick a point off one of them. If we are to lose several, it will be important to keep goal difference under control. There's every chance that one or more places could be decided by good in the end. Everton remain pretty pants with few goal scoring chances created. I'd like to think we have a chance up there of at least a point.

That's your predicitons for our run in but looking at the other teams, how many points do you think they'll pick up? If you work through say the bottom 6 teams and have a guess at their season end points total, it may be 35 points could keep us safe. I know it sounds like a low total but it could.

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20 Feb 2018 20:32:59
I'm never right and my predictions are always awful so I reckon

Burnley - win
Stoke -draw
Newcastle -loss
West ham -loss
Arsenal - loss
Chelsea- loss
Leicester - loss
Bournemouth - win
Everton - loss
City - draw

34 points and hoping 3 teams do worse.

So if you are a betting man go opposite everything I've put and you might stand a chance! 😬.

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21 Feb 2018 02:26:11
I believe we can win most of the remaining games. Here is my prediction:


Burnley - draw/ win
Stoke - win
Newcastle - win
West ham - win
Arsenal - draw
Chelsea- loss
Leicester - draw
Bournemouth - draw
Everton - loss
City - loss.

{Ed0333's Note - You’ll against Newcastle and Evertonians lose against Arsenal. The rest I agree with.

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14 Feb 2018 14:49:43
Heard that mp is in a meeting with the board one can only hope.

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14 Feb 2018 15:25:57
I hope your source for this is reliable.
I have been checking for news since last November that we have sacked him.
Can’t see it happeneing.

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14 Feb 2018 17:27:06
Hope so. I heard Monday he will 100% still be in the job for the WBA FA cup game.

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14 Feb 2018 17:57:03
Just seen interview with him on SSN saying how exciting he is finding the challenge of keeping us in the PL, he isn’t going anywhere. Sounded like he was doing a great job in a very hard league. Something very odd about all this he just didn’t seemed that concerned about our desperate position at all and that things can change very quickly . Anybody else just seen it did I see it wrong.?

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14 Feb 2018 20:35:20
Just seen it. Doesn’t surprise me. All season he has had the arrogance about him that he knows he won’t be getting sacked. It’s utterly devastating, I feel relegation is inevitable. He clearly isn’t capable of getting enough points from the last 11 games to keep us up based on what he has achieved so far.

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14 Feb 2018 21:13:03
MP aside, I’ve posted an article highlighted above with my end of season projections for the teams from 10 – 20 in the Premier League. Would be good to hear what you guys think about our run-in when compared with the other teams around us.

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15 Feb 2018 09:13:54
I have read if Figo and a fine piece it is too. The only thing is our run in compared to others can't be compared as they are all improving and we are in an uncontrollable nosedive. Facts and figures are great but rarely ring true in real life. Just look at the governments predictions. I do appreciate the time and effort you put in but ultimately it is based on what ifs rather than actual fact. Keep up the good work though.

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15 Feb 2018 10:54:18
Of course its all guess work. As I say, many things can effect results over the course of 11 games. If I could accurately predict the outcome of football matches, then I would be a very rich man.

The point of the exercise is for people to have a look at the respective run-ins for the teams in the bottom half and consider their own views on the end of season placings. Its very easy when you support a football team to view everything within the bubble of what is happening to that team. Looking at the run-ins for the other teams and considering where they may or may not pick up points can help put things into context and give a broader picture.

For example, because you’re unhappy about the Liverpool result and performance, you consider that Saints are in an uncontrollable nosedive, but just one game before, we beat West Brom and most posts on here were very positive. Also, we continue to collect points against the teams around us, albeit at a slower rate than any of us would like and have proved on our day we can pick up results. We just need to put a consistent run together and we have a good chance to that when the Prem restarts.

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15 Feb 2018 11:17:32
Figo, whilst I agree, I think the reason people were positive after WBA is that the effort seemed there and the will to get out of trouble. With such momentum, fans hoped that the positivity would run into the next game. Had we of lost to Liverpool but had lots of heart and desire to win, the general feeling would have remained positive, however that second half performance was anything but. people say the fans drove out Puel, if this is the case and the board listen to us, they would have sacked MP.

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15 Feb 2018 11:32:15
Figo I don't think you quite understand my take on all this. When I say we are nosediving to the Championship I am taking in to perspective certain reasonable performances and the reasons why they were. The style of play adopted by MP seems to consist of keeping the ball at all costs with very little imagination going forward . Twice we have adopted a different style against Watford and West Brom and looked a good side which I believe we are. Once in control of a game he changes the plan to try to strangle the game but mistakes are made and we end up hanging on. He then makes inexplicable substitutions that end up increasing the pressure. I have said many times before that we have an excellent squad but a poor coach with no formula to change the game. I still think we can survive but being realistic we only have 10 games left given we are playing Man City in the final game. I know they will be champions and maybe take their foot off the gas but I doubt it. They will probably be up for a record points total and let's face it Pep is not the type to accept second best from any team he has ever managed.

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15 Feb 2018 15:41:19
Sometimes, this site is like banging your head against a brick wall with rusty nails sticking out of it. Please can someone look at the article in the spirit in which it is intended and post something other than that you think MP is rubbish and is going to relegate us no matter what happens to us or other teams over the next 11 games. That is exactly the type of focus I am trying to steer people away from. Its pointless. It really is. You may as well just copy and paste each post to save time otherwise.

Gregg, I do get that. The second half performance against Liverpool was poor but if you look at the story of the game as a whole, we did play with fight and spirit in the first half but conceded two goals, not because the team played badly but due to individual errors. The team understandably came out and was anxious not to concede any more rather than believing they should carry on taking the game to Liverpool. No one wants to lose 4 or 5 nil. It would arguably do more harm to confidence if the team gave everything going forward, failed to score and got hammered.

Chris, I do entirely understand where you are coming from as you have made clear from your posts throughout the season. I get it. You don’t rate MP and think the team is better than their league placing. But that is entirely beside the point and so frankly, I do not care. I am not seeking to encourage anymore boring posts about how dreadful MP is, how much of a conman Les Reed is or any such benign nonsense. Agree with them or not, we have no control over those things so posting about them endlessly achieves little.

Instead, if people read the article and look at our run in as being 11 games and not just the next game, then they may form an opinion on how many points might see us safe, they may look at the games we have and think x amount of points from this run and y from that run could see us to safety. Then, rather than feeling such despair after every game that doesn’t go our way, posters may still carry some hope forward to the next match. And imagine the elation some may feel if the team exceeds their guestimate points total.

We cold post our projections and see whose come closest and discuss things in this forum in the context of the games we have ahead, rather than reading the same old posts after every game.

If you feel the exercise is a waste of time, fine. No-one is being forced to do it. But for me, and I hope for many other posters, the exercise may help, even as just a bit of fun and a new focus to people’s posts. None of us are happy to be in this position but I see no reason why we cannot look at the positive performances this season and see them as an example of what the team is capable of against the teams around us. Most of our games in the run in are against teams we could get points from if we play to our best and with a string of good performances, confidence could return. For everyone.

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15 Feb 2018 22:37:16
Really well said Figo. The big point I'd like to add is that the team receive nothing from the fans at home. It's all well and good, and your right, to be negative on here. But please, if you're going to call yourself a Southampton fan, do not boo the team after 20 minutes of a game ever again. That's when teams need the fans to give them a boost. When every safe pass draws a groan, it's difficult to have the confidence to play well.

I'm not saying the team don't deserve blame for their subpar performances this season, but it's time we accept that we need to help rather than hinder. I think if there's one thing that gives the teams around us an edge, it's that their fans support them when they're down and create an atmosphere. It comes across as if some people almost want us to go down at this stage. You refuse to see the positive that much. (The conspiracy theories have actually gone beyond making things up about our transfer dealings or Les Reed to bs about our owner having a dodgy bet on us going down. Someone really said that. )

Say what you want on here, and I do see why you find it hard to be positive at the moment, but when you're at the game back the team.

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16 Feb 2018 07:17:30
Of course MP is not worried about being sacked; he has a contract for 3 years: if the board sack him then he can safely sit on his arse for 27 (? ) months receiving his pay check and we have to bring in a more expensive replacement. I can go back to the early 70's when Saints appointed a certain Lawrie McMenemy to replace Ted Bates, LM received the same abuse, same demands for his sacking - Yes, we did go down - unluckily on an FA rule change made the previous season. But look where he took us in the next 10 years. I firmly believe that the problems now are leftovers from the previous season and were inevitable whoever replaced Puel.

Even if Saints had employed Pep we would have been in the same situation unless we went out and spent 200million+.

The blame, if any, should remain fairly and squarely with the commercial management and the board.

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16 Feb 2018 10:01:15
Totally agree about booing, that’s why it is more productive to vent on forums such as this.

Figo, to reiterate I actually agreed with the majority of your post (s) . It is just that on current points to game ratio, we will finish with 36 points, personally I am not convinced this will be enough.

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16 Feb 2018 10:12:46
Thanks for bringing us back to topic Gregg. I've started a new thread above for those who want to talk about the run in and how they see us fairing compared to other teams.

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17 Feb 2018 10:20:35
Figo, agree with everything u said. I was working on Sunday, had to listen to game on the radio, right from the off, all I could hear was the Liverpool fans, even the commentators said about it . so maybe blame the manager or the players (that's easy) . or for those in the stadium, at home to Liverpool, maybe take some Blame yourself. It was home to Liverpool for christ sake.
And please don't reply with "The team need to give us something to sing about" . Its your Team . Try giving the players something to play for, encourage when they are down and things are not going right.
I have an apprentice at work, I don't Boo him if He makes a mistake, I encorage him!

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17 Feb 2018 15:23:28
Lol
I tryed to get tickets late one time so had to sit behind dug out in stead of where the support comes from and I stood cheered and sang for the team
And the only thing the clappers do is look at u as if u shouldn't
80% of stadium claps don't sing no wonder why other fans out sing us

And in turms of us saving ourselfs
Normally when team is fireing we lose angaist the so called winnable ones and get good results of top teams
Lol
We are losing agaist top teams in such a way its a joke
And we are struggle for a point from so called winnable games
Writing was on wall from last season
Wot in truth most could see.

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17 Feb 2018 15:29:12
You should start booing him whenever he screws up. would be funny! But when it's your football team, no need to boo. it's not even just the booing, it's the constant groans and general attitude which just kills the team.

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11 Feb 2018 22:30:39
{Ed's Note - figodasilva has posted a new article entitled, Southampton v Liverpool 11 Feb 2018 Review

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11 Feb 2018 18:36:13
Are the board completely mad? Every player out there today looked totally fed up and more or less convinced they couldn't compete in that game. They are much better than that perfomance, never ever looked like scoring . The board will leave it too late if they don't sack MP tonight, should have happened 2 months ago. That game was painful to watch. No passion, no will to win and led by an inept manager who is with the greatest respect useless.

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11 Feb 2018 18:45:00
The players looked like they have accepted their fate today. Yes the manager does have to go tonight and we can only hope the bounce of a new manager will save us but it looks really grim. Worst performance I have seen for a long time.

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11 Feb 2018 18:55:20
Problem is we've known this for months. It's not worth the energy wishing this fool out the door. Why would you substitute your best player who completely out shone any other player on our team.

Please tell me because I'm bemused frustrated annoyed and totally pissed of with this manager. I will probably get abuse from a few on here but why oh why is he here it's unbelievable they've stuck with his methods for so long. There's enough points for us to scrape out of this but other teams are pulling off surprise wins against tougher opposition:

Newcastle today
Bournemouth, Chelsea
Watford, Chelsea
Swansea, Liverpool and arsenal.

We're like rabbits in the head lights no belief at all. It's all about belief and making players feel 10 feet tall and have the desire to dig in and nick the points.
None of that shown today last month at all this season. March will be our defining month all in or around us and all away from home we've shown no pressure away so God help us.

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11 Feb 2018 18:58:23
Just watched the interview with MP saying we dominated the first half and missed some great chances 😳.

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11 Feb 2018 19:24:53
How can so many quality players produce such a poor display? Answer. they have no faith in the manager and they don’t seem to understand what he wants from them on the pitch. Carillo looks poor, MP must be a hypnotist persuading the board and recruitment team to pay 19 million for Carillo. Monaco must be laughing all the way to the bank!

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11 Feb 2018 20:09:38
Pellegrino has walked the tight rope for to long now
He's managed performances away to Liverpool
Not a single shot on goal
Tottenham away embarrassing performance
Leicester at home battered
Palace in a winning position second half we sit back and lose
In between these we have seen us get draws against Man U away
Arsenal Tottenham at home
After every bad performance they've produced a make up for it performance
If we had been battered by Tottenham at home I think he would have been sacked
One of his interview he spoke of board meetings till the early hours
Wonder what time tomorrow evening they finish this board meeting.

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12 Feb 2018 02:33:01
Who do we get it though?

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12 Feb 2018 22:02:51
Tim Sherwood.

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14 Feb 2018 22:49:59
At this point anyone other than mp.

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07 Feb 2018 06:29:48
Any news on Quincey Promes, do you think we will go back in for him in the summer?

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07 Feb 2018 09:21:20
if he has a good back end of the season he will e offered to bigger clubs now it has been mad public I feel. unless hoedt or someone can convince him to come.

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07 Feb 2018 11:53:28
Considering that we could have bought him this window as his replacement was bought, I'd say no. The club made a show of wanting to buy better players, paraded everything in the media but ultimately didn't want the player. Was reported that he supposedly wanted to come and saints were supposedly wanting to buy but Moscow let us down. It's hard to decipher the truth to be honest.

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07 Feb 2018 14:34:00
sfcphill are you saying Southampton didn't actually want Promes but just wanted to make a show of wanting him, or have I misunderstood you?

If you are saying that then where did you see it/ how do you know this?

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07 Feb 2018 15:12:56
The only thing I know was reading his agents media bit. apparently saints didn't offer the full asking price so they didn't see. As phil says its hard to know what happened and don't think we ever will know.

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07 Feb 2018 20:52:27
There's evidence to support my wild claim other than a whim. I just feel ultimately it was more than the club were willing to go for and because nothing else was lined up it was paraded in press ass if we missed out. Which isn't exactly what happened, trouble with reading reports about football is that you can't be certain as to what's true or not. Promes replacement was signed though.

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09 Feb 2018 15:23:32
No you're right we'll never know, so hey, let's just assume the worst about the club. That's the new Southampton way, right?

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11 Feb 2018 14:19:21
Why would he if come to the premier league to a club in a relegation battle I feel if we stay up we will go back in for him. The likes of Lemina and hoedt signing have to be a positive and the chances of a move on after a couple of years to a bigger club.

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01 Feb 2018 21:31:42
Today's interview with pellegrino for the West Brom game
What the hell was the Handsome man with blond hair blue eyes thing all about
Talk about go off on a tangent
To be honest he looked totally pissed off today
he looked like he'd had enough and was ready to through the towel in
He spoke about board meetings till after 12 so they must be getting to the point where he's close to being relieved of his duties
To be fare he's played at a good level and must be wondering how it's got to this
But the problem that is cursing him is the fact that he's had so many opportunities to win kill off games but he has either not made a substitution or made the wrong substitution
And it's cost him.

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03 Feb 2018 17:07:04
And he now has a vital win under his belt.

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03 Feb 2018 20:43:25
And we deserved it.

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01 Feb 2018 08:31:59
Any managerial changes rumours, Eds? Silva? Tuchel? Can the board still back Pellegrino?

{Ed002's Note - Certainly not Tuchel. I suspect Silva would be one consideration.}

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02 Feb 2018 08:00:32
Time to call in Saddam Magath as fitness coach.

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03 Feb 2018 20:12:00
Thanks, Eds! Nice win today, but still big questionmarks. Why Hojbjerg was benched? At least Lemina started.

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30 Jan 2018 15:46:15
25 mil bid for promes rejected. Guessing this won't happen now.

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30 Jan 2018 16:16:38
Think it depends on Spartan getting their replacement Hanni from Anderlecht and us upping a bit more. Player is keen on the move.

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30 Jan 2018 16:33:34
yes but we are running out of time. only a couple of days left so it will be tight to get him.

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30 Jan 2018 16:36:12
We need to up the bid and spend out this lad I think will be worth it.

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30 Jan 2018 16:46:21
Les must have a plan b if this goes tits up.

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30 Jan 2018 17:26:24
Much depending on this deal. if we don't get many points out of Brighton and West Brom then MP will be out and the fans will turn against the club, big time.

Our other relegation candidates are strengthening their squads so Les must achieve something. and damn quick.

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30 Jan 2018 17:59:31
I will be very, very shocked if this doesn't go through. This sounds like a very dangerous game. I read earlier that 30m is this clause, so I don't know why we didn't just go for it. If we had gone for a lower bid like a week ago and had that rejected then it would have been fine. But a day before deadline day just seems stupid to me.

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30 Jan 2018 18:14:33
I agree guys. Our Prem status is at risk.
I think they will put a final take it or leave it offer in as usually there are 3. Question is how much?
We are min 5 mil short, Think final bid will be 28 mil.
They are banking on Spartak going for it.
Hope there is a plan B if it goes . up.
Got to get this over the line Les. Please don’t mess it up!

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30 Jan 2018 18:15:16
Just seen mahrez has handed in a tranfer request
If he goes to city Leicester could come in late and take him from under our nose.

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30 Jan 2018 19:19:17
Amazed at all of the "Guessing" above. we don't know and Saints always keep the cards close to the chest. Would love to be a negotiator on these deals, its Poker . we should not just stump up additional money unconditionally, we still are a Mid Premiership Team, and you might not think so. but we are very well run!
We have Josh Sims coming back into fitness, that will be like a new signing, we have our new Pelle replacement from Monaco, if you think Mbappe and Falcao were holding back, that's nothing to be ashamed of.
Charlie Austin back training. a great reserve goalkeeper in Forster, Lamina and Romue looking good, not even worried about our Central Defenders and just hope to keep Soares and Bertrand fit because they are "Top Drawer".
Cut the manager some slack and get behind our Team. We will be okay!

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30 Jan 2018 19:38:40
Yes great have players back etc. But those players have us in 18th at the moment cause we can't score and way we have played I don't think we can say we are a mid table team.

And yes they may keep things quiet but you put an low offer in on the day before transfer deadline it's just taking the micky.

If we want the player put in a proper bid. Fair enough a low offer a week ago.

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30 Jan 2018 20:45:00
I'd be surprised if we pull this off
I was surprised we offered 25 mill
If the don't budge there has to be another option.

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30 Jan 2018 20:50:24
I thought that the guessing was the fun part of all this.

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30 Jan 2018 20:51:16
The players are NOT responsible for our league position. that responsibility lies with the manager AND the board for allowing this debacle to unfold! I reiterate we have tremendous players whom are following instruction as good professionals should do.

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30 Jan 2018 20:55:27
I can't see the board spending the money on him transfer or wages and I Ed002 is right it doesn't make sense to go to Southampton. We had a few glory years the past few seasons but we can't keep up with the wages other clubs can afford. Would like to be wrong on the situation but we have to be realistic as well.

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30 Jan 2018 22:10:18
19th place now! Will be interesting to see what happens with the remaining hours.

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30 Jan 2018 22:18:02
We can’t give up now. We are second from bottom and Swans just went above us with a mahoosive result.
We have to win tomorrow night. If we lose we have to get MS in pronto to turn the juggernaut. But we still need that signing.

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30 Jan 2018 22:49:08
What are you talking about Saint Paul. You don't know what the players are being told. You don't know what is going on behind the scenes. You can't say anybody has allowed this debacle, if we insist on calling it that, to happen. You must have a very short memory, but the debacle actually started in August/ September (we're not calling 8th place last year a debacle) .

It is now the end of January, so less than 6 months after it started. For 5 of those months, the board's hands were tied. In the last month, we have sold (for a very good price) the player who the board/ manager, you know the people who actually do know what's going on behind the scenes, felt had played a big role in the debacle.

They have also broken our transfer record on a new striker, and according to reports put in a bid for a winger who would break our transfer record once again. From the sounds of it they were pushing hard for Walcott too. Based on the fee Everton paid, I suspect we were willing to break our transfer record for him also. What about this suggests that the board is allowing this to unfold. They are taking action but signing a football player is not as simple in real life as it is on FIFA.

You also can't just absolve the players of all responsibility for this season. They are the ones on the pitch not getting results. Tactics and managers are important, but they can only control so much. I don't believe that MP doesn't understand football to the extent that the players don't stand a chance of keeping us up, and don't see that anyone can possibly have any basis for saying so.

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30 Jan 2018 22:59:24
Let's hope we take the FA cup performance into the next game, must win, as other seemingly struggling teams who have changed their manager have now started to put results together, 19th with so many teams compacted and all adding quality to their sides, 14 games left.
Let's hope new signings make a difference, or the manager, uses a different system.

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30 Jan 2018 23:09:20
Facts are facts, we could go bottom tomorrow night with basically the same squad who finished 8th last season. I may be no rocket scientist but it doesn’t take much intelligence to see that something is seriously wrong with the motivation and style of play. Just can’t believe that MP is still there no other club would have let this happen.

Potentially we are going to spend multi millions of pounds on players to take us in to the Championship and if this happens these massive deals we are doing will ultimately mean we will crash and burn financially as these players will lose value massively if we are relegated. How on earth did we allow this situation to happen. How much longer do we say get off the managers back and support the club . Just don’t get it guys.

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31 Jan 2018 05:41:56
If we lose tomorrow I think that will be the straw that broke the camels back
Who ever comes in should have been installed months ago but that's just my opinion
Only time will tell I'd like pellegrino to prove us wrong but from previous games he's failed to do that so we're 19th
Didn't see that coming this year
If we do scrap and fight and get 3 points tomorrow we go up massively to 13th 14th but that obviously depends on other results
Who saw the swans doing what they've done in the last 2 games but fair play to them for showing so courage and belief
Tonight will be tough but we have to win nothing else.

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31 Jan 2018 08:19:32
I mean it's been about a month of saying get off his back Chris, not really that long when you long beyond the ridiculous short termism the people on this forum. What did Fergie say was his most important philosophy? Long termism.

If you don't get it I'd really suggest you actually read, with a vaguely open mind, one of the many posts on previous threads, by myself and others, which have explained what we're saying. If you genuinely don't get the logic behind it then there's absolutely no point repeating myself more. You're allowed to disagree but I've had it with having the same argument with people making the same points over and over again without even reading or thinking about a word anyone else says.

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31 Jan 2018 09:08:55
I agree 123 the whole purpose of this site is to post what your personal beliefs are which is just fine. I honestly don't think it is about a month since people have been getting on MP's back your watch must have stopped. Our club turned itself around in amazing fashion from 2009 till 18 months ago. I just don't get that all that grit and determination can be thrown down the toilet on a principle of loyalty. Over the last 12 months we seem to have had a long term illness which if not treated quickly can become terminal. If we get relegated I don't see any chance of us returning to the PL in a hurry, we have a squad of players that should never be in this situation and although they are responsible for their personal performances they should also be coached to play in a particular way that suits their skills. We have a squad full of internationals who together as a team should never be in the league position we are in. The buck stops at the people in charge of them who are not getting the best out of them. People would have gone crazy if we had got rid of MP and brought the likes of Roy Hodgson in as a rescue plan but unfortunately sometimes in desperate times you have to consider desperate measures. I admire your loyalty and belief in MP and his employers 123 but sometimes even you may have to admit defeat and accept that you and all the rose tinted glasses people on this forum maybe wrong to stick with the current regime. We could still get out of this but if we do it will be by the skin of our teeth which was totally unnecessary, I am certain a show of hands would maybe agree with me but then again maybe not, one thing is for certain though I honestly hope I'm wrong and you're right I honestly do. All of this is as we agree down to personal opinion which makes this site so refreshing and should never be used as tool for personal criticism.

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31 Jan 2018 10:10:16
SSN say we have matched the figure but Spartak are not playing as can’t get a replacement in so deal may be off?

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31 Jan 2018 10:26:53
Yea just read that Guernsey boy. No surprise with when we have left it to if it's true.

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31 Jan 2018 11:08:30
so what's going to happen?! are they wanting a bigger fee? just seen Lamela could be an alternative? or Schrulle? this whole situation is awful and I am so worried about our season. something needs to change, be it get rid of the "manager" or get some decent players in. I really think this is the end of our run in the Prem.

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31 Jan 2018 11:42:25
No they are struggling to get anyone in to replace him which is why they think the deal is off. Saying we have offered the £30 mil. Schurlle is a no as Dortmund have said keeping as injury problems with squad.

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31 Jan 2018 13:26:32
Chuck them redmond and 30 million for promes, problem solved for both clubs.

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31 Jan 2018 14:10:45
Of course JGFC, just add a 15-20 million pound player to our offer like its nothing. Then we'll believe you're running the club well.

And Chris I'm really not a rose tinted glasses type person, I'm just being reasonable about our situation and thinking about the bigger picture. You keep trying to call panic and over-reactions "pessimism" and "realism", and saying anybody else has their head in the sand. The point, as I've said so many times, is that your opinions are not informed by fact. They are informed by doom and gloom assumptions (actually, read back the posts - it borders on conspiracy theories rather than just assumptions) and in the case of many people a complete lack of understanding of how football/ the world works.

And you said they're throwing years of work away in the name of loyalty, but that's again just not true. They are not keeping MP out of loyalty, they are doing so because they believe that he is the best man available for the job. As I've pointed out before, people love to say he should be fired but everyone draws a blank when asked who should replace him. This is a huge part of the decision to fire him, is it not? The honest truth is, whether you think Strachan, Keane or Koeman could do a good job, all of those options are hardly certainties. You might disagree, but you cannot possibly say the board are incompetent for deciding that they are not upgrades, or in Koeman's case they just don't want to go back to someone who ditched us like he did. All of those are perfectly reasonable decisions, even if you think they are the wrong ones.

And anyway, I've said if it was me then I'd have sacked him, but I'm not ready to start making unfounded accusations against the club and turn against everyone associated with it just because the board have a different opinion to me. It's called being rational and reasonable, I urge certain members of this forum (and that's not actually directed at you Chris) to consider trying it.

Point is: please stop with all the doomsday crap. Just because you disagree with a decision doesn't mean that there is no justification behind it. I, and others like Figo, have written a few posts explaining why the board might think keeping MP is their best option. Personally, I disagree, but there are many reasons why it makes sense to do so and in no way does their approach make me think they're throwing anything down the toilet.

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31 Jan 2018 14:39:48
Saints123 I understand what you are saying completely.

But do you not think we actually needed to do some more business in this window.

I believe with a few new faces for competition it would push other players to raise their performances.

And let's be fair our biggest issue has been putting the ball in the back if the net when we get the opportunity.

I get you don't just chuck the asking price straight at a club you barter/ negotiate on the price. However if we really wanted promes the offers should have gone in earlier not start the the barter the day before transfer deadline day.

This is what I am frustrated at.

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31 Jan 2018 15:22:59
Like we could get that figure for Redmond! but with the short undetailed post I thought it may be taken for what it was, a bit of a joke, as often the short and sweet posts on here. Also my post said nothing about the running of the club. In regards to starting negotiations for targets earlier in the window, if we had done that I wonder if a player and cash deal could of been considered (less cash than originally stated) had we had more time but we don't know if we maybe missed out on another target or negotiations broke down which is why the promes option was so late on in the window possibly.

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31 Jan 2018 19:07:31
To Saints123.
I will be guarded in what I write but I can inform you that every team at the club is being coached in exactly the same way. I cannot tell you what the first team players are being instructed but I can comment on the younger players and their instructions. Their formation and tactics mirror what we see from the first team week in week out, so do their results. Do not ask me to breach confidences you must trust my words as a gentlemen and a true Saints fan.
Ive just seen the starting line up tonight, where are the goals or even creation coming from? I will be cheering tonight and supporting the team as I have done so for 53 years.

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31 Jan 2018 19:38:53
Yes saint Paul I think your find every team at the club is coached by the official fa guide to basic team coaching written by a certain Leslie reed, cancer at the club with a clown manager, the book is for real check Amazon.

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31 Jan 2018 20:49:56
Half time, absolute garbage football! Players need to be allowed to express themselves and win the game. All mp does is justiculate to them to get behind the ball and keep their shape. Are you watching 123?

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31 Jan 2018 21:08:16
Predictive txt! Gesticulate.

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31 Jan 2018 22:01:04
Something has to change. I agree with with the comments, yes it’s far from all doom and gloom but RK states we have a talented squad capable of top half, with the situation the way it is, it has to be the manager. I also don’t understand why some think there is no one available. Marco silva is out of work.

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01 Feb 2018 15:53:48
Ludders I do share all the frustrations you're talking about. I agree it seems odd that the Promes stuff happened so late - there was about a week between the Walcott pursuit failing and us seeming to get serious about Promes. But my point is we have no idea what was going on behind the scenes; we rely on journalists who are notoriously dishonest and sensationalist when it comes to the transfer window. So let's not take everything they report as absolute fact, and let's not assume that if they're not reporting on anything then it's because the people running the club are sitting there twiddling their thumbs. Once you stop making those assumptions, all of your views will start to seem a little bit less obvious. And that's the thing, I'm not even saying you're wrong. I'm just saying can we please stop treating every decision we don't agree with as proof of some big conspiracy theory.

JGFC I think 15/ 20 mil is probably realistic for Redmond in the current market. He's a young English attacker with potential. It's a ridiculous amount, sure, but every transfer these days is for a ridiculous amount.

SaintPaul: yes I was watching. Thanks for asking. And since you're being like that and making it personal, did you happen to watch the second half? Because while you were tapping away at your keyboard he was changing the formation, making 2 subs at halftime and being proactive about trying to change the game. It was still a poor result, and personally I think his initial team selection warrants criticism, but I was at least delighted to see him try and shake things up at halftime. I'm sure you plan to overlook this, though, we wouldn't want to run the risk of being fair to the guy now would we.

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01 Feb 2018 16:47:25
Wow! I wasn’t being personal just asking a question. Proactive? Unplanned desperation as apposed to clever tactical substitutions! He has lost the players and the fans, there is no way we will survive relegation if he remains in charge. That performance was woeful and inept and did you honestly think the second half was good? Just listen to what ALL of the retired professionals are saying about our performances this season, they know what they are talking about and what they are saying is not complimentary. MP is s really nice guy but a premier league manager he is not.

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01 Feb 2018 17:32:08
I agree, I'd have fired him. How many times do I need to say this. But thanks for answering my question, no you don't plan to be fair. Cool.

To answer yours, I think the second half was a lot better and while we should criticise MP for the first half and his team selection, we should credit him for making the changes and seeing improvement on the pitch. Especially since one of the most common criticisms of MP I've seen is his perceived conservatism and reluctance to try things and shake things up. Yesterday he did this, and nobody gives a crap.

We criticise when he doesn't do anything, and when he does we refuse him any credit. It is seriously time for us fans to lo`ok in the damn mirror. After the penalty yesterday the crowd deserted the team. Boos rang around the ground just 20 minutes in. I saw an article today criticising Southampton fans, saying that the team, unlike every other team in the league, does not benefit from a home field advantage. After last night, I 100% agree with this article and those fans going to games and booing as soon as things get tough, groaning at every backpass need to take a serious look in the mirror. I suspect, based on the posts on this forum, many people on here are included in this.

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02 Feb 2018 11:54:51
sorry 123, usually I find your posts etc to be very balanced, but on this occasion, it is a bit much to expect people to recognise half time changes, after 23 games of the season gone. Yes, MP does not get everything wrong, but more than a competent Prem manager should. Personally, I can't defend him at all.

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02 Feb 2018 15:17:55
Considering one of the big criticisms of him is his failure to do exactly that - react in game and make proactive changes - I personally think it is only fair that we recognise when he does do that.

Regardless of this, my main point stands though: it's time for us fans to acknowledge that we are one of the biggest contributors to the struggles the team are having. I for one don't think a manager change will make too much difference (although it's probably time to fire him anyway) because any manager is coming into such a hostile situation. If he goes 1-0 down in his first game, then that'll be game over and he'll have "lost the fans" as someone said about MP.

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28 Jan 2018 20:52:34
See we are now being linked to a loan bid for that young spurs full back Kyle walker-peters I think is his name. You heard anything about this ed.

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28 Jan 2018 21:37:11
Don't really see why that would happen. He wouldn't play for us at rb or lb and surely Spurs won't want to loan him out just to sit on someone else's bench instead of theirs.

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29 Jan 2018 17:09:53
Not good enough pied is better back up.

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30 Jan 2018 10:42:43
Hi Ed’s. One day until the window slams shut.
Is there any update on the Quincy Promes talks at all or any other possible ins?

{Ed002's Note - Even if Southampton were to bid enough I don't get why QP would be interested in the move. But it remains possible.}

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27 Jan 2018 12:50:53
Just read an article where Quincy Promes' official Instagram account responded to a report from Russian media that he was not interested in joining Saints as we're 'one of the worst teams in the Premier League'. Quincy's one word reply was 'false'. Unclear whether he means its false about not wanting to join or that the reason given is false, but interesting to see he responded. Looks like there's still hope though.

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29 Jan 2018 02:51:35
I’d like to be more positive but I think we have made our one signing this window.

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31 Jan 2018 03:27:26
Less than 24 hours to go.

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31 Jan 2018 11:15:58
I think we just have to be patient. Yes less than 24 hours but you never know. Just keep faith. Come on saints! We will sign someone before the window closes.

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31 Jan 2018 16:34:13
Hmmm!

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26 Jan 2018 13:18:32
Carrillo has officially signed! Bring on the goals!

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26 Jan 2018 22:41:14
I really hope I’m wrong but Carillo looks an average player with an average track record. He’s supposed to be good in the air but not that good with his feet, a panic buy I feel and one the club will regret 19.2 million times.

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27 Jan 2018 08:34:08
Hope not I've watched him on u tube his movement and alertness looked ok but obviously there not going to show when he's played a mare
All we can do is cheer the lad on and hope he has the same impact gabbi did last year.

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28 Jan 2018 11:43:33
What is wrong with you lot . give the man a chance, at Monaco he had to fight with wonderful players for a starting birth. We have missed Pelle and he has some similar qualities, strong, ariel, good age

Im pleased to see him . welcome to the club, we need your assistance

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28 Jan 2018 15:59:55
to be fair to him, he was only behind Cavani, Lacazette and Neymar in terms of goals per minute. Give him a chance, he might surprise you.

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26 Jan 2018 05:16:35
Just read, Southampton have made a loan offer for Atletico Madrid winger Nicolas Gaitan.
Now, that would be Great!
Don't know if that's aswell as any possible Promes deal or as a back up if the deal doesn't happen.
Can you verify this or add to it EDS?

{Ed002's Note - The interest is there in Gaitan.}

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26 Jan 2018 10:42:43
Eds am reading Promes is going to reject us. Hence the Gaitan move. Have you heard anything?

{Ed002's Note - To be fair I can't see any reason for Quincy Promes to leave Spartak for Southampton.}

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26 Jan 2018 10:39:07
Would way rather Promes personally. Extra pace which I think is what we lack, and younger. Seems like more of a long-term buy in our typical mould.

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26 Jan 2018 11:02:17
Thanks Ed. Tend to agree with you.

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26 Jan 2018 13:54:54
the reason for promes to leave spartak for soton is they are russias celtic win a league that is weak then get beaten by 7 by Liverpool. If he signs plays well he will be off in 18months for more money and won't have to put up with racist crap from his own supporters in the interim.

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27 Jan 2018 05:05:14
I feel we can sign Promes and we are trying but I think if he was to accept to join our club, there would be a clause to be sold immediately if we did get relegated or missed out on Some other league and or FA cup targets. I hope he signs!

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27 Jan 2018 08:43:42
I think for Promes it would be a smart move. UK is totally different country than Russia. Secondly, in Soton giants may notice you. Of course, he will be with us only for 18 or 30 months, but we have to accept that fact.

{Ed002's Note - So you think he should agree to 2 and a lf years in the widerness to be noticed by "giants"? A move to Southampton would make zero sense for him.}

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27 Jan 2018 09:25:41
He would honestly probably be with us for less. The cons do outweigh the pros For him to join Southampton. But we can dream! What ever happened to leo baptisao? We still interested in him?

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27 Jan 2018 10:27:14
Russian league very different from PL. Usually the giants want to make sure player can perform in the top league, before buying. You think it was a bad move for Mane as well to come to Southampton? And don't forget Russia is Rusdia for living.

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27 Jan 2018 11:51:45
Just read a report where the media said Promes didn't want to join Southampton but his instagram account commented "false" suggesting he is interested!?

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27 Jan 2018 12:33:40
Hi eds. Thanks for all the help I here. Do you believe the rumours coming our saying he does notbwantbto join are true. If so is it only gaitan as a potential other option or is there anyone else that we are looking at that's may be signed this month.

{Ed002's Note - I know nothing of rumours but it makes little sense for him to move to Southampton, but we will see. It would take a significant offer to make something happen.

There is interest from several sides in Gaitan. A move might bring out the better side of his play which has been drifting away recently.}

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27 Jan 2018 12:51:09
Thank you. I agree seems a strange move for him given our current position.

Someone it a similar style to him I think is Definately needed and would work well with the addition of carillo.

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29 Jan 2018 14:42:44
Don't see why Southampton would be quite such a weird move for Promes. Sure, it seems like he could do a bit better and at least find a club of Everton's stature, but we've seen weirder things happen.

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25 Jan 2018 20:53:11
Eds are you hearing any names linked to the saints other than Carillo and Promes? Just curious, the rumours seem to all be about those two.

{Ed002's Note - Nicolas Gaitan remains of interest as a loanee but it might prove difficult. Interest remains in Ben Godfrey but nothing can now happen until the summer.}

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25 Jan 2018 21:28:12
Carrillo signed, now for Quincy P. Score more goals than the opposition and you win games!

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25 Jan 2018 22:04:09
What's the latest on Promes?

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25 Jan 2018 22:18:32
We're chasing him. I think we're close to agreeing the signing fee with Moscow. However, what I didn't realise is that his wage is 130k per week, so he'll need to take a huge pay cut to join us.

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26 Jan 2018 00:49:00
To be honest teams we perceive to be below us are paying those wages and the money from TV rights are rediculous. If we want to stay in the Premiership we need to start paying the wages that the better players demand. We need to move forward with the times.

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26 Jan 2018 07:52:48
I agree - if we ever hope to challenge and push forward you have to match the "big boys" otherwise we will only attract peripheral players or those who just use us as a stepping stone (appreciate this happens. ) - with new investment surely this must be realitically achievable?

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26 Jan 2018 10:06:52
I disagree guys. There is little point in breaking your wage structure to sign one player as not only does that effect your finances for him, it upsets the balance across the team as many other players could demand new contracts to improve their wages to match this new level. The club could be blown out of the water financially in one fell swoop, or risk upsetting the squad and losing key players who insist on leaving if their new wage demands aren’t met. It is crucial that a club of our size keeps its finances in check. If we go heavily into debt, bringing in players we cannot afford to keep and they all jump ship, we end up relegated and at risk of going into administration. One transfer can have such a huge effect.

The reality is, we cannot match the big boys. Our club is smaller in every respect. We do not have the history of League, European or domestic cup success let alone the finances. Our ground is smaller, we sell fewer match day tickets, we sell cheaper match day tickets, we sell fewer replica shirts, we do not have a global brand, our marketing and sponsorship contracts are likely to be smaller, we receive less TV income than the big teams as we are on TV less, not only in our domestic league but in Europe and domestic cups as well. We cannot compete with them and we should not risk ruining the club to try.

The way we compete with the big teams is to have some of the best youth systems and training facilities in the country. The aim is not only to develop good young players but to make the best of the squad we have and also, our facilities have often been sited by new signings as a major reason why they sign for us. They see the set-up we have and see how professional and detailed our approach is behind the scenes.

So the club’s long term aim is (and should continue to be) to sign young players and develop them. If you look at Tottenham, their squad is paid very little compared to the other teams around them but they have young, hungry players who believe in the project and are all pulling together. When they get older, if Tottenham isn’t enough, then they may move on but there is always someone else to take their place. The difference between our aims and theirs are that they have greater money to spend and tend to focus on instant impact players to bring in, whereas we look to sign for the future.

If Promes won’t agree to our wage structure, we have to move on. It would be a shame to miss out on a talent like his, but it may be the black box can unearth another. It seems Gaitan is that back-up option if we can persuade him. I’m not sure who the next cab off the rank would be as the reports I’ve read so far only relate to Promes and Gaitan as wide options.

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26 Jan 2018 15:37:20
Good sensible quote Figo agree with most of it. The point on the world class training facilities is very true and brilliant academy also true. Unfortunately nothing much seems to be coming out of this academy lately. I wonder why.

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26 Jan 2018 17:23:45
It was interesting. I just did some digging into wage structures in Premier League. And on average, we are higher than a lot of clubs. I think the only non-big 6 teams that were above us was Everton, Leicester and West Ham. Which, wasn't surprising to read, we pay each player on average 55k per week.
However, the highest paid player at each club we are 16th (Lemina on 80k according to this article) . Whereas players like Benteke fit the bracket - he's on 120k per week but CP's average wage is lower than ours.
So yes looking at this transfer would it really be worth breaking our wage structure and upsetting more players in the team and creating friction from that?
And as Figo was saying we're not a global brand, if we bring in Promes, yes he will probably be our top shirt seller. However, we won't be selling hundreds of thousands of shirts with his name on the back aboard. Players like Pogba and Sanchez, the global recognition they get, they up paying for themselves.

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26 Jan 2018 20:54:24
To be honest saintjay until recently I had never heard of Quincy Promes and I am pretty sure nobody else in the world that are just general football supporters have heard of him either. Can’t see there is going to be a rush globally to buy his shirt even if he signs for SFC which I very much doubt is going to happen.

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27 Jan 2018 12:00:37
I think we do have to break our typical MO. I think especially how we are going, we need to shake things up. Maybe we really do just need to get rid of the board or manager. Who knows. Something definitely needs to change. Who knows if we need to change our transfer and wage policy. We won't know til we do it no?

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27 Jan 2018 12:33:14
That's a very interesting stat saintjay, however when you look at money in each season due to TV rights it keeps going up and up. Next summer is meant to be a record breaker again supposedly. We sold Manè at 34m was it? Please correct me if I'm wrong, where as the prices these days surely that would have been higher.

I don't wish the club to start trying to pay over the odds for players and for wages but I do believe decent attackers these days are certainly getting paid higher wages. If there is no goals coming in, there is a problem. I'm not wanting the club to put itself in a financial difficulty but surely a decent attacking player these days that will make a difference in the Premiership has to be worth at least 100k a week.

I don't know enough about quincy to say he'd definitely be the man but we also need to start moving forward if we hope to achieve "the European targets" as stated in the clubs ambition.
The way it's going this season we are going to be in for a tough ride. To me it seems like there is a massive problem behind the scenes, our team chemistry and overall fitness compared to other teams has been very crucial in last several years but it looks like we are lacking in both departments this season. Just hope we can pull through and gather enough points to stay up.

I believe we will but I think it's going to be a nail biting season for the supporters if we don't turn things around soon. The manager just hasn't been using our players strengths all season. Tadic is a quality crosser but Shane long and gabbiadini aren't target men. Shane long is great at distracting defenders and gabbi is a great finisher and poacher with the ball at his feet, the ball in the air to the pair is wasted. We need to start playing more through balls and early crosses on the deck for the pair.

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27 Jan 2018 12:39:41
great post figo.

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25 Jan 2018 15:27:31
Hey Ed's, any possibility on Slimani from Leicester? Few rumblings going round.

{Ed002's Note - No Jule.}

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