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23 Nov 2017 03:25:46Most of the posts go to the Southampton Banter page.

19 Nov 2017 17:49:54
Hi guys just read the match review on here from a Liverpool perspective and Saints were described as abysmal, no attacking threat and scathing about, Van Dyck, Bertrand, Cedric and their defensive capabilities. It doesn't make pretty reading, I feel sorry for our fans who travelled up yesterday and watched that s---. I think the club should offer to refund them at least!

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20 Nov 2017 09:36:36
If anyone should know about a lack of defensive capabilities it is Liverpool. They were alright testamerday as we had no attacking threat. They also had mane Henderson and Coutinho back so that wasn’t great timing from us. I don’t think it’s down to the manager as it wasn’t down to puel last year I think it’s time for a major shake up and if we can get 60 odd m for VVD after paying off the hoops we should sell him and move in . The whole team appear to be playing with fear and yet again tadic makes one mistake and Salah scores a great finish we need some out an out pace up from and that makes teams keep some players back for the break away and we don’t have that. Survival this season then we need a serious reorg after that.

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23 Nov 2017 03:12:38
I toldly disagree! Sorry. but our manager isn't the right man for us it seems. we all know this is a result business however far more important something is the performance it's self! If we played well but lose we can handle that no worries.

On balance I think we saint fans do not tend to rush and press the panick button when things start going wrong. After all those of us who are long in the tooth have been there and seen it all before.

That said we've had the best opportunity for years to get a good start to the season with the team's we've played. No game is easy of course but tactically our manager is up the river without a paddle. No shots on or off target in a few games this season already? These poor performances is down to lack of conference our players have in the manager and his style of play he has asked of them.

I see some of you blame the players for their efforts and form that's a shame when we've all seen them play outstanding for us in past! Do they become poor players over night? Or might it be something to do with the board selling some of our world class players and losing a couple world class managers by doing so.


I will always be greatful to Markus and KL but it can be safely said she has had a exit plan for sometime. But We are in a
far better place because of them. So they have my respects. KL has the profits so win win end of.

We may need to go through the same process with the new owners as well in time we will see if that is to come true. Only they will need to claw back around 300 million! To do so.

Time to be ruthless get rid of the manager asap replace with Koeman!
Remember the top six teams rarely lost a world class players season after season like we have and still move forward like we did. The board may of felt confident after hitting the jackpot a few times but nobody keeps winning all the time.

World class players don't grow on trees. Sale one and the others lose faith in the board and club as a whole. That is what happen here!
Reality bites.

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14 Nov 2017 07:26:49
So ED'S any ins or outs you think will happen surely VVD to Liverpool has to start as with a new window the tapping up is a thing of the past and they can make an offer without fear of a complaint.

{Ed002's Note - Why would the "tapping up" be a thing of the past? The complaint still sits on file. They formally withdrew all interest at the same time they apologised - would they be withdrawing their apology? If so then an offer is possible butLiverpool have been looking elsewhere at centre backs. Southampton want to add a striker - Paco Alcacer has been trying to force a move out of Barcelona and they will accommodate that once they have a replacement - the summer would be more likely and although Southampton are interested, he will have potentially more attractive options elsewhere. A loan for Stevan Jovetic has been suggested but if he moves I think Newcastle will provide a home, thereby freeing up Aleksandar Mitrovic who would be a good option.}

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14 Nov 2017 15:20:33
thanks Eds I assumed clearly wrongly that they could argue a change of position now its a different window and make some reason without fear of reprisal. As no formal offer was put forward I thought it would be difficult to prove rumour and speculation. Would love Mitrovic who has masses of potential would be cheap but is clearly a bit hot headed. Be nice to see a saints forward roughing up the defence for a change, he could develop into anything so potential which suits the model.

{Ed002's Note - It wasn't rumour and speculation, Liverpool again acted illegally and what Klopp did was entirely unacceptable. If they wish to finally make an offer for the player the owners who yet again trailed slime to the door of another side to give a grovelling apology in order to avoid charges will be an absoolute laughing stock. The complaint remains on file.}

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15 Nov 2017 11:53:37
Finally, after all the speculation I was wondering where are we are all at?
As supporter's in this day and age should we remain loyal to players? Like the old days. Through think and thin or should we adapt to the mindset of players like v. v. d who clearly felt our club had or has no real desire to truly win anything over the need to make a profit first and full most!

What am I talking about? Well in my view I am bother that Shane long works like a dog in every match but hasn't been effective in doing his job ( scoring goals or helping others to score. ) yet the club sold Saido Maine who scored goals for fun without continuely work as hard in every match! as long does. Le tiss never worked hard but was supremely effective in scoring goals!

Selling saido has taking us backwards and down the league
yet our club had the so called blackbox that identify's the quality of each player. cross refrancing their quality's and desided to sell the best player of the pair for a hugh profit.

Isn't fair then that V. V. D saw this too and asking himself what are his dreams and desires. And isn't it our job to point this out to the club and ask why?

It makes no sense why let Koeman go year before his contract was up! just to cash in. While forcing another person to remain at the club he no longer wishes to be at?

It seems to me we should be asking these types of questions at the board and I am wondering our we going repeat this all over again now the club has new owners who as business minded people may wish to seek a return on their investment over the next few seasons. This the loop continues.

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16 Nov 2017 16:50:11
4thelove, how can you have so little understanding of what has happened with our club in recent years with regard to koeman etc?

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18 Nov 2017 11:14:14
Sorry but I am at a loss to your meaning in your reply. If you could explain why you believe I have little understanding as to what has been going on at the club we love and support.

All I am saying our club bangs on about it's blackbox using it as they do to identify the players they wish to bring into the club to help improve our team and to monitor the players we already have.

As far as I can recall Saido never asked to move on and Shane long has never scored more then 15 goals in a season so why sale saido and not long first? Saido is clearly the younger and better player.!

As for Koeman the club needs to be consistent in their approch and actions.

Koeman said himself he expected Southampton to say we are not releasing you from your contract.

Fair play to our clubs board they did say they longer wished to sale our best players at the end of last season and they stuck to their word hugh progress in that regard. But a lot of damage was done. If they continue sticking to these new approch and slipping back to old ways.

Players need faith in their teammates, manger and club alike I like to think loyalty counts for something but the last time it happen at our was when we wentdown to league one and we asked Kevin Davis to stick with us!

The new owner's will no doubt look to get their 200 million at some point but we need to pressure the board don't to do it the same way by undermining clubs currant outlook saling our better players. A ruthless approch is needed sale players quickly that don't match expectations centre forward should be scoring at lease 15 goals a season subject to injury. Shane long isn't that good of a player full stop. We should sale him in the summer and try and buy Tim winner.

{Ed001's Note - Sadio did ask to move on, just like he did when he joined you in the first place, after going on strike at RBS to force a move through.}

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12 Nov 2017 17:40:27
Fernando Torres has apparently been offered to Saints on a loan deal, What do you guys think? Loved him at Liverpool, But since then, questionable.

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12 Nov 2017 19:09:08
All day and night long.

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13 Nov 2017 08:23:54
Cant see this one happening, wages for one would be to much and let's be honest what pace has Torres got lol, he is at the end of his carrer. We need pace up front. I just don't know why CA doesn't get a proper crack at it. The manager obviously doesn't fancy him. I would have CA up front with Gabbi behind. Watch the goals start flooding in!

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14 Nov 2017 07:25:16
CA good finisher but pace really slight contradiction there. We need a target man we never replaces pele and need someone in the mood to hold up and bring others into the ball from midfield. Buy it give Sam a chance. If u want pace bring olufelo back.

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14 Nov 2017 08:28:00
Contradiction! CA would be faster then torres LOL!

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14 Nov 2017 08:31:09
CA could be a traget man! we just need to start using him, and I don't me 5 minutes at the end of a game!

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02 Nov 2017 11:47:04
I am going to be extremely controversial here but I just need to say it whether others agree or not. Watching Saints this season is pretty desperate going and frankly depressing. I don't believe we appointed the right manager to replace CP who in my opinion should have been given another season or at least till this Christmas. When Pelligrino joined as people said we were going to produce fast paced flowing football similar to Pochettino but I fail to see where anybody got this idea from as he spent last season at Alaves setting his team up very defensively to stay in La Liga which he achieved and should be applauded for however I think CP could have done that as well. I think from the rumours that CP lost the dressing room and ultimately his job due unsettled players. On reflection the likes of Dusan Tadic could have been at the heart of this with his whinging and wining which let's face it we see him doing on the pitch every week acting like a spoiled brat and overreacting to just about every contact from an opposing player. I have been a season ticket holder for over 40 years and hardly ever miss a game even through the dark days of League 1 but do you know what if the weather is crap on Saturday I would seriously consider giving it a miss and listen to Soccer Saturday instead, I haven't felt like this since the days of Ian Branfoot so I find that very worrying from a personal point of view. I honestly don't think our squad can play high pressing attacking football anymore, not because they are not good enough players, they can't because either they have not ever been shown how or the management won't let them. I believe the fear is in the management team which is being so negative and this is being transmitted through to the team thus creating the toothless performances we have sadly had to put up with. Pellegrino has got to be brave and change things NOW, we are playing City very soon which gives us the perfect opportunity to give it a go. We will probably get beaten even so but one thing is certain if we try to defend against them they will murder us with possession and I think the likes of FF not conceding is just a pipe dream. Anyway that's the way I see it, football should be about entertainment even when you lose, I remember those days and hated losing games but at least you could reflect on the game afterwards and know that you tried everything to score. That seems to be a thing of the past over the last two seasons apart from one game, the final against Man U showed we can do it. The difference was it was not in the league so no points were involved so it seems to me we just set up to try not to concede. I hope I'm not the only one that sees it this way if I am maybe it's time to hang my season ticket up forever.

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02 Nov 2017 13:18:17
Hi Saint Duke. I've posted a reply on the banter page if you have a few minutes to read it.

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02 Nov 2017 13:43:48
I totally agree with you, I have never been so depressed watching us this year, all we try to do is keep the ball just passing from Full Backs to Center Halves to Midfield, the back again, NOT gaining any territory, and get nowhere. The players surely can't enjoy this type of football? The only players that will not complain are the ones that should NOT be in the team, the wining Tadic, & Redmond, what does W Prowse offer us, and that excuse for a Goalkeeper, I will not make my thoughts public, as I could get in to trouble!
We have to get more energy throughout the team, and start getting more players into the box. KEEP Two players upfront. Our Full back have just one player to hit if they play the ball forward, give them more options.
We are NO better with this Manager, and I think we are at times worse. The enjoyment of looking towards the next game has gone, I am the same as most of the crowd at St Marys Not expecting a lot.
The team is not giving us anything to cheers about.
Come on M. P get the team do what we used to do best ATTACK, it the only way to Win games. Bring back the feeling of use looking forward to going to the game and supporting our team.
G Smith.

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03 Nov 2017 14:56:21
Agree with a lot of this, although disagree with any suggestion MP's job should be under threat. The problem stems back to Koeman in my view, who started the trend of changing the way we play football, and I think that MP should be judged on next season once he's had more of a chance to stamp his mark on the team.

I understand your frustration, but we all know that if we had been giving it a go, losing, and were sat in/ around the relegation zone right now you would be calling for MP's head, so he's in a difficult position. Your point about City for example, yes it'd be nice to give it a go, but that's the kind of thinking that can get you beat 6, 7, 8-0 against them right now. They're that good, and I can see an argument for trying to frustrate them by sitting deep.

It's going to be a long season of mid-table mediocrity but I think as fans we need to avoid treating MP the same as we treated Puel. Puel had to go, but it was the fans (and maybe players, I don't know what was going on in the dressing room) that made that the case unfortunately by turning on him. Let's not do the same with this manager. If things don't change next season, then we should start talking about whether he's the right guy. Until then, let's be patient and accept that we need to get rid of a few players who can't cut it (cough, Tadic, cough) and bring in a few hungry attackers ready to work hard and prove themselves. After this has happened, we can judge MP on the results.

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03 Nov 2017 19:45:00
123 I understand your post completely and agree with most of it. If you look on the banter page I responded to Figo about me stating that Pellegrino should be sacked, I never said that and don't want that to happen. I simply stated that I personally didn't think he was the right appointment. You make a point about not taking it to City, but maybe just maybe we need to do that. We have some good technical players and they need to be used to bring out their skills. City will be sitting there thinking that we will go there and put everybody behind the ball and they will coach their side to expect us to do that. Let's do what we did in the Cup Final last season and show that we can take them on, if we sit back we will lose maybe only 2 or 3 but don't you think if we have a go it might make them think a bit as City are not the greatest defensively. We are too predictable and just about every side in the PL has worked out the best way to set up against us, let's change that.

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04 Nov 2017 21:19:54
Stats wise are we looking any better now than we did under CP this time last season?

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05 Nov 2017 00:20:19
Will we should have kept Puel rather than employ a new manager that is more negative than he was.

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12 Nov 2017 17:36:26
I Agree . I didn't think Puel done much wrong. 8th and a Cup Final, how can that be classed as a poor season . It now looks like it was the players on the pitch letting him down at the end and continued into this season doing the same.

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25 Oct 2017 22:13:29
Now Leicester have confirmed Puel, what are people's thoughts?

It seems an odd appointment to me in light of Leicester's style of play but it will be interesting to see whether Puel tries to change his approach or whether Leicester change tack.

{Ed002's Note - Very good manager, not the club for him.}

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26 Oct 2017 09:01:03
Hi Ed's. What's your opinion of him, in terms of Southampton getting rid of him? Do you think we were right in doing that or do you think we should have kept him on?

{Ed002's Note - I think he should have stayed. He is a good guy.}

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22 Oct 2017 00:15:27
Hi guys, I thought that the way the teams were set up looked a lot more balanced with Bertrand going forward on the left and creating chances. WBA are a typical Pulis team as Lee Dixon said on TV playing with almost a back six plus the awful weather conditions, we looked much better going forward, all the players worked really hard and MP made some daring substitutions which came off, Redmond looked more disciplined and creative and Boufane's goal was an absolute peach, it reminded me of Ryan Giggs goal vs Arsenal, great contender for goal of the season. When you are playing against a big, disciplined back four crosses into the box are a waste of time and I would like to see more variety there and corners. Great free kick from Bertrand! We are not there yet but if we can carry on from here the season looks brighter. Regards VS.

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22 Oct 2017 23:05:07
Good post, agreed. Really positive substitutions that changed the game. WBA are a tough side to break down 😇.

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21 Oct 2017 12:16:22
can we get quincy promes from spartak?

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22 Oct 2017 11:15:34
No he is on a promise!

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20 Oct 2017 17:34:54
Blimey, according to his Twitter and Insta pages, Virgil is finally ‘ready for the weekend’. It also seems according to the same social media outlets, Wesley ain’t that chuffed about his upcoming weekend.

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18 Oct 2017 09:02:40
Paco Alcacer linked from Barcelona on BBC.

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19 Oct 2017 07:56:14
Here's hoping. (bin Redmond, VVD and Tadic for some cash)

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19 Oct 2017 11:13:33
Not sure we need another striker - wingers and attacking midfielders are a bigger need for us right now.

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16 Oct 2017 14:14:24
Reading the Liverpool forum and they are still desperate for VVD it seems. Also Clyne is being slated and they inference is as soon as they can he will be sold on as he is not wanted.

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16 Oct 2017 23:08:22
I feel for luke Shaw. he's been publicly torn to shreds and looks broken. I know his 100 grand a week and perhaps questionable attitude but his talent is undeniable. hopefully he can find fitness and maybe a move that suits him.

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17 Oct 2017 10:01:30
Luke Shaw .
At Southampton he was treated the Southampton Way, treated as a young man, a young man with exceptional talent . who played his heart out for us, was rarely injured or missed a game, who's fitness was never in doubt as he bombed up and down the wing = England left back.
I followed him on twitter . a game of bowling with his buddies, Nandos with his mates, golf with his mates . all the things that a 17/ 18 year old should be doing!
He moves to Manchester . what do they do, shove him in some plush City Centre hotel to live . only 'mates' around, not real mates but footballers who regard themselves as celebrities! I think the first event he attended was a boxing match (from memory) where all the Man U players had ring side seats .

That same evening there were a few of Saints players in Ceno's sat eating, chatting, no show offs, just sensible guys having a chat and giggle .

So from young man going to Nandos with his mates, playing xbox . to part of the Marketing Giant that is Man U .

He was still a boy . sad . great player . great attitude.

{Ed001's Note - Clyne was similar, moved to Liverpool and it all went to his head. The clubs made a mess of things in both cases.}

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17 Oct 2017 16:38:49
It is such a shame .
I look ay Lemina we have just signed from Juventus, articulate, sociable, cheerful . plays his heart and socks off .
It seems for us, that character is a huge part of the selection process and then they are encouraged almost into a family way .
Luke Shaw didn't go from being injury free, very fit, England left back to this . shame .
Clyne was also superb .

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17 Oct 2017 16:38:49
It is such a shame .
I look ay Lemina we have just signed from Juventus, articulate, sociable, cheerful . plays his heart and socks off .
It seems for us, that character is a huge part of the selection process and then they are encouraged almost into a family way .
Luke Shaw didn't go from being injury free, very fit, England left back to this . shame .
Clyne was also superb .

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23 Oct 2017 18:47:28
Some of you guys have short memories, sorry . Luke Shaw was always injured when he was here with muscle strains.

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16 Oct 2017 11:32:56
On a positive note think Lemina is going to be an incredible purchase whether we can hold on to him could be another issue. Seems to of adapted and is bossing the game already. Great to Gabbi back amongst the goals. Not sure what FF is doing at the moment and that has to put the fear of god into those in front of him.

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16 Oct 2017 12:51:31
What does Charlie Austin have to do to be given a chance? 10 minutes at the end of a game is not enough. Long has had his fair share of chances. CA has to be given a run / starts in the team to show what he can do!

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16 Oct 2017 13:25:44
Hi Ben, I partly agree with you what about Austin and Gabbiadini up front and Long replacing Redmond on the wing, he is certainly more direct and aggressive and would give other teams more to think about and possibly restrict them moving forward. It makes you wonder at the wisdom of selling Jay Rodrigues!
Regards vs.

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16 Oct 2017 16:26:22
Good shout Vintagesaint, for me I just want to see Charlie on the pitch, and I do think it could work with Gabbi, long haworked out on the flanks for us before so yes I could see that working.

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16 Oct 2017 20:35:23
Guys, all well and good saying let's play Gabbi, Shane and Charlie. but that's all 3 of our strikers! Any injuries, we're in that brown stuff.

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16 Oct 2017 20:54:06
Hi staffs, I take your point but 9 points from 8 games is relegation form and if you look at our run of games over Xmas and run up we will not be picking up many points there. The only consolation is we are not the worst team by any means but let's not kid ourselves we are poor but not the worst but is that the height of our hopes and aspirations mid table mediocrity? The game is awash with money but I believe the standard of football has declined and Saints unfortunately epitomise this and it's not a complicated game and we look poor too often. Regards vs.

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17 Oct 2017 03:33:19
I like this scenario but it doesn't account for Davis and I think Davis needs to be in the team. He's a massive miss for me.

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17 Oct 2017 23:41:57
Hi VS. Good points again well made. Yes we need to get out of the current form. Personally, 352 with an improved Boufal could do it. But hey, who are we lol.

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08 Oct 2017 20:03:46
Reckon Walcott would be great addition. ATM anything is an upgrade going forward and he terrifies defences when in form.
Never understoood why people worry about our affording player wages and initial fees. It’s not like it’s our money!

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09 Oct 2017 02:00:22
it's not our money but it's our club and I'd rather the club didn't blow money on over priced and over paid prima donna's and end up in a situation like 2009 again or worse - end up like pompey.

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09 Oct 2017 13:47:34
We’ve no idea what finances are available so just have to trust the club to spend within their means. Our (tight) history of spending suggests we won’t be doing a ‘Pompey’ in a hurry.

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09 Oct 2017 18:47:14
Agree with Saintysaint, and also there's the fact that if we're going to spend that kind of money and change our wage structure, I just don't think Walcott is worth doing it for. He could offer something of course, but I don't think he's a game changer. He's not much better than he was 10 years ago, which is almost unforgivable imo.

Let walcott rot at West Ham or Everton like every other over the hill top 6 player. We'll keep finding players on the rise, rather than on the way down.

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10 Oct 2017 08:09:08
I agree that the club has limitations and these shouldn't be compromised; however I put on here a while back that I think Walcott would be a nice addition, while some argue he hasn't been that much better at Arsenal, remember when he played and got game time each week he was practically on the score sheet every week - something we have to consider seeing as our "goal scoring" looks epic in training and abysmal in matches. He has the confidence to run and pressurise defences, I think he is definitely worth a punt. He will do well wherever he goes I'm sure, so why don't we take advantage of it instead of West Ham (who are bloody awful) and Everton who are panic buying and spiralling into the Championship.

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10 Oct 2017 13:15:51
Walcott would be a good addition. f for 5 mill and 50k a week. not 15 mill and 120k+

He's not the player he was a couple of seasons ago and he's not the player that he should have developed in to. His development was completely stunted by Wenger, same with ox, probably the same with chambers. I don't think he has he confidence to do half of what you're saying as I think the confidence has been stripped out of him by being dropped or benched or not having a secure enough place in the team.

Plus, I don't think he would actually add much different to us. He's available and he used to play for us so in some people's eyes that's enough for us t9 completely tear up our wage structure and pay over the odds for someone who is now a very average player. Can't even get in to a shocking England team. He'll go to west ham for astronomical wages and make best friends with Andy Carroll on the treatment table.

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08 Oct 2017 00:37:28
The rumour is that arsenal won’t be offering Walcott a deal, so he’ll probably have to accept a drop in wages. Price is said to be 12m - 15m which may be worth a gamble. West Ham United are after him as well apparently, and will probably out bid us for wages. And he’ll probably want to stay in London.

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06 Oct 2017 14:13:58
For the right price Walcott would be a step in the right direction. Think a footballer plays best when he's happy and we got him because he actually wanted to come home and welcomed by the fans I can see him banging in goals. The difference between him and Redmond is he doesn't dance around the the box and then shoots like a fairy right at the goalkeeper. People say boufal is the answer as when he comes on shows sparks of genius, these same people forget that when he is given a whole game he only ever shows these brief sparks. I miss the likes of pelle and mane who went direct to goal, no of this silly dancing around in the midfield. Bit of a pass, little link up and go then go for the jugular!

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07 Oct 2017 12:35:09
When was the last time Boufal was given a full game though? He needs a run of games, he’s still used to French football where he had all the time in the world and if anyone would breathe near him he’d get a free kick. Get him up to speed with the prem and he’ll be quality.

Doubt Walcott will be an improvement tbh, too much ego in the lad now. Wants to be the main man up front and we can’t offer that and if we paid him what he wanted in wages (not that we could due to the FFP) what message would that send to the other players?

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06 Oct 2017 08:32:31
Linked with Walcott again. Not sure if he is the answer?

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06 Oct 2017 10:05:52
Older version of redmond in my opinion.

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06 Oct 2017 13:53:53
Apart from actually has a finish.

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07 Oct 2017 08:38:39
It's the same old situation wages too high and Mr Goa ain't spending this season.

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