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18 Sep 2017 09:27:49
Everton rumours site and twitter saying the snake [Koeman] been nicked with the dirty in Ellesmere Port? Any truth in this?

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10 Sep 2017 18:38:39
What's everyone's thoughts on the currentrain situation? We've scored 1 goal from open play this season (against a 10 man West ham) .
Where are we going wrong? Is it our strike force? Or attacking playears creating a lack of opportunities?
I don't think the 4-2-3-1 works at all. I think Gabs needs a strike partner. I'd like to see the 4-3-3 return. This is when we were at our best. Obviously we had Mane whose probably one of the best wingers in the wing. But stick Redmond on the right, Tadic on the left? Then rotate between Davis, Romeu, JWP and Lemina in Midfield depending on the oppointents.
Maybe some back room coaching staff changes after I've seen so much negativity towards Black which is justified since he was head coach of a Villa that were relegated.
Probably a new goalkeeper is needed. Forester isn't good enough.

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11 Sep 2017 11:16:26
We are not Powerful enough in midfield, Romeu is the only player that can tackle, Prowse is a wast of time he gives us nothing, Tadic is scared, and weak, Redmond and Boufal are just not up to it. No shots on goal, no wonder the fans showed their frustration.
Look at the athleticism, height, power, plus skill that the Watford midfield had. As for playing one man up front, all this does is give opposition defenses a "easy day" Gabbaidini is quality but he has no way of showing this when he has to play as a lone striker. Play Austin with him alongside. Now you can see why Lambert and Pelle was good for us bringing others into the game. Sorry but we need to offload 3 players at least and get some grit and pace in midfield.
As for Foster I can't put into writing what I think of him
G S.

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11 Sep 2017 13:05:51
I agree I think that Lemina will hopefully add some power. I'm hoping that Lemina will be the sort of player that will break up play and advance forward with the ball. Like a Dembele or Kante. I think Tadic is our most technically gifted player. However, we don't get any use out of him. He plays better on the wings. Which is why I think he should play on left and Redmond on the right. Redmond isn't good enough on the left. We need to use his pace, if we have him on the right we can start to see him making runs and putting the ball in the box from good positions. Because at the moment he wants to put everything on his right.
I 100% agree. I do feel for Puel last season as he may have played Austin and Gabs up front had Austin been fit. I don't see why Pellegrino is not doing the same. It really is a no brainer if your team is not scoring add some firepower. We have good depth in an average squad, as everyone is at the same ability. I like to think that all of the midfield could walk into all of the teams that finished below us. Ideally, we would want JWP sitting deep and pinging balls about. It's a shame we haven't loaned him out. A few seasons in the Championship would have down him a world of good when we first got promoted.
I'm hoping that maybe Harry Lewis could grow this season and play next year, that would be ideal.

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11 Sep 2017 18:24:22
We didn't spend good money on Lemina for nothing!
It was quite obvious that we needed strength in midfield from virtually the first few minutes . how is it all us armchair amateurs can see that watford's midfield was fast, strong, versatile, agile . and what do we have Davis and Ward-Prowse being overrun? It does not matter what side of the pitch you put REdmond and Boufal, there is no end product and even if there is . there is no one to receive the ball . Gabbi touched the ball only 10 times in the whole game . ONCE in their area all game!

whoscored.com gives detailed analysis of each game and can be broken down into player by player.

Might give us all an insight into what on earth is going on . some examples .
Passes inside Watford's box . 12 . yep 12 all game!
Tackles in side Waford's box . 0 . that's a big fat ZERO . their defence must have loved it!

Interceptions in Watfords box . ZERO!
Aerial duels in Watfords box . ZERO!
Dribbles in Watfords box . ZERO!

Loss of Possession all game . 30 times (15 of those Tadic, Boufal and REdmond) .
And to those that say Ward-Prowse adds nothing to the team . I didn't agree until i saw his stats!
Ward Prowse touches . 14! all game! of which TEN were passes! (Rom : 69, Davis 66, Suares 93 . etc)

tackles attempted . ZERO!
dribbles . ZERO!
Interceptions . ONE .
Clearances . ONE .
Blocks . ZERO . FOULS ZERO . Aerial Duels . ZERO!

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11 Sep 2017 18:51:34
We just need to be patient. let's not forget we have a new manager and several new players to bed in. Its frustrating to see we have the same problems as last season but that is due to the lack of recruitment in attacking positions which was down to the club rather than MP. He has to coach the squad he has, the same as we have to support the team playing for us each week.

Our weakness is that we lack pace in attack, so end up playing in front of teams, failing to break with enough pace to get in behind or catch them out of position. We’re too easy to defend against at the moment. Teams know what we’re going to do before we do as we are one dimensional and nothing has moved on since last season at the moment.

The positive thing is that MP sees the problem and is shifting players around and dropping anyone who is not performing. Its logical that if the first team squad cannot perform well enough, someone in the reserves may so at some point, MP may start introducing fringe players into the match squad. let's not forget, Chelsea looked ropey at the start of last season until their new manager rolled the dice, changed formation and gambled on squad players like Victor Moses being able to do a job out of position. It paid off and MP may need to find a similar solution.

As fans, all we can do is support the team and MP and hope they find a way to turn things around. We’re only 4 games in so let's not write off the season just yet. We must understand MP will have to take risks with players and try different things. Rather than bemoan any failed experiments, we should celebrate having a head coach who is willing to shake things up to try to get us out of this rough patch.

Finally, we have to be realistic. let's not forget who we are and where we have come from. We are now a good premier league team and relegation is not on anyone’s minds at this early stage. If it is, you should feel free to book an appointment with your psychiatrist at the earliest available date. We have a model of developing young players, whose form and confidence can be up and down. Look at Pogba at utd last season for example. We can’t be too harsh on the likes of JWP and Redmond as they are still young. The same applies to Stephens, Lemina, Targett, Sims, even Hoedt etc. We must therefore accept that we will go through rough and smooth patches and our league position may be inconsistent. Short term loss for long term gain. If we can create a squad like Tottenham has, with youth and ability on its side, we could see the start of a long spell of success for the club. That’s what the club wants. That’s what we all want. It will be worth a few mediocre seasons is we can reach that goal.

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11 Sep 2017 21:52:38
This has to been posted by one of the players' wives or even mums? we were AWFUL!
We can’t be too harsh on the likes of JWP and Redmond as they are still young. -- age has nothing to do with it! they are experienced pros who simply aren't producing! there was a time when JWP was considered England's next number 10! read his stats . absolutely awful. As for Redmond, shame his skill, goals, ability don't match his highly inflated ego!
The same applies to Stephens, Lemina, Targett, Sims, even Hoedt etc
All of those players have produced the goods! and most importantly have improved as players .
The football (and I use that term loosely) produced against Watford was atrocious. I am not sure I have ever watched a game where we had no shape, no style, no drive . it was almost impossible to read our game .

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11 Sep 2017 22:27:00
VVD horror show tonight in U23s. Lost 4-0: he's well off the pace!

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12 Sep 2017 11:43:21
Several players to bed in? Lemina didn't play due to the international game, Bednarek is considered one for the future, which just leaves Hoedt as one new player. This does not warrant a complete lack of ideas, when you consider Watford have more players to bed in than us.

Would love to be more positive but I have concerns, not so much with the points but performances.

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12 Sep 2017 14:12:55
The point is Rich that your statistics based on one match do not actually shed a great deal of light on the problems our team is experiencing, they merely highlight the symptoms. Also, if you feel that 3 or4 of our starting players are not good enough, then what is the solution? You suggest none. We can’t buy anyone now. Who in the squad can come in to the first team and make such a radical difference? Lemina of course can return and looks a prospect on paper, (lets not pretend after one appearance for the first team we have it nailed on how good he is and what his strengths and weaknesses will be), but even he is a young player who will require a little time to adapt to the pace and power of our league in comparison to Serie A. Saying age has nothing to do with the performance and consistency of several of our players is either wilfully naïve or moronic.
My point about bedding in new players Gregg does not relate solely to the starting 11, especially not in relation to the one game against Watford. A team needs strength in depth to provide competition for places and for form players to come off the bench and make a difference in games where things aren’t quite working. With players like Bednarek, Hoedt and Lemina, Hojberg i. e the young players that our club is choosing to invest in rather than bringing in proven premier league performers, all will take time to find their feet with ups and downs in their performances. This will impact the first team whether they are on the pitch or competing for places.
Southampton Football Club has stated its aim is to invest in young players we can develop and bring in to the first team, rather than spending a lot of money on established players. Until those young players are on the pitch performing consistently, we continue to invest in the future of the first team rather than its present. That said, the club is not slow to invest and bring in established players to bolster the first team squad if the need is apparent. Gabbiadini is an example, coming in last January to great effect before his injury. So, if we continue to struggle in front of goal, hopefully we’ll see investment in January. Long gone are the days under the likes of Rupert Lowe where your squad at the start of the season, irrespective of the opening and shutting of transfer windows, would remain the same. Our club is now more pragmatic with its playing staff and the coaching staff if things aren’t working.
We’re 4 games in. We have a new head coach. The first team squad has not really been added to over the summer, especially in attack so we face similar problems to last season. That puts a lot of pressure on the new head coach to solve the problem going forward that Claude Puel could not. Why not wait and see how we’re doing after 10 games or on the run up to Christmas before writing off the team?

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12 Sep 2017 19:18:24
In reply to figodasilva .

It is neither moronic nor naive to suggest age is not a factor. I agree totally that someone like Simms, they have very little experience in the Premiership . but JWP has made not far off 150 first team appearances, plus over 50 appearances for various levels of the England setup .
Nathan R has made over 200! first team appearances, plus 70 for various levels of the England set up!


As for my statistics not being representative . ok here are some stats for our first 4 games,
Total Dribbles 40, 2 in the opponents box
Tackles attempted 87 . ZERO in the opponents box
Interceptions 43 . ZERO in the opponents box
Blocks 44 . 1 in the opponents box
Fouls 41 . 3 in the opponents box
Aerial Duels 77 . 9 in the opponents box .

A combination of not getting the ball in the area enough and when it does enter their box, not exactly fighting for the ball!
while we have three Gaston R's in Redmond, Boufal and Tadic, we will have lots of fancy footwork with no end product! all ending before that telling pass to poor old Gabbi waiting patiently!

What we do about it mmmmmm well JWP isn't providing much, even Davis is not producing .

Cedric VVD Hoedt Bertrand/ Targett/ McQueen
Long Romeu Lemina Bertrand/ Targett/ McQueen
Gabbi Austin.

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12 Sep 2017 21:08:03
Thanks for the response Rich.

I’m not going to bang the JWP drum much because I’m also not sure where he fits into our team – he’s not really an attacking midfielder, nor a defensive one. He would probably benefit from a 3/ 5/ 2 with Lemina and Romeu behind him to provide protection so he can patrol behind and interchange with a front two.

The problem I have with statistics is they are always open to interpretation. Yes, in the last 5 seasons, JWP has 148 appearances, but only 79 were starts and he hasn’t played the full 90 minutes of many (if any) of those games. If we say a young player learning the ropes requires a consistent run, these stats don’t tell us how many consecutive games he has played. I’m sure its not many considering he’s been around the first team for 5 seasons. His best appearance stats came last season and he provided 4 goals and 4 assists from 22 starts. Not bad for someone who is in and out of the team and utilised in several different positions when he does come in. Not only that but he’s 22. The onus is on the club to find a way to fit him into the team if they want to get the best out of him, rather than squeeze him into the starting line-up.

Like Redmond, yes they both have a good level of experience now, but age also relates to maturity and confidence levels and other related factors. If a player reaches his peak at about 27 or 28, both players have a lot of development ahead of them so is it fair we bin them now? It comes back to the argument of do you give our young players, our young English players, a chance to progress in their respective first teams, playing regularly in the premier league, or do you give up on them and drop them back to the under 23s?

Your other team stats in your first post all focused on action inside Watford’s box. As much as we would like the game to be played out in the opposition box, the majority of a match’s action takes place in the middle third of the pitch for the vast majority of teams in the vast majority of matches, so events inside the box, unless you’re playing an inept team, are going to be very limited. Also, with stats as detailed as this, I for one do not know what is average in a 90 minute game of football in the premier league, what is average in a match for a team that plays a similar system and style to us (when you are able to detect one), or even what is average for the teams that are likely to be around us in the league table. Whilst a zero stat isn’t great, how rare is it?

In any event, my point is the stats, even your new ones, don’t tell us the cause of the problem, they simply highlight the symptom, which is we are pretty blunt going forward. In my view, we struggle because we are playing in front of the opposition because we are slow in moving the ball forward and any chance of a quick break, unless a genuine one on one, is usually curtailed as the breaking player has to check his run to hold the ball up and await support. Its all very one dimensional and predictable with even the weakest teams in the prem not being stretched as we do not hit them at pace and catch them out of position.

I’m not sure I’m comfortable with a 4-4-2 as most teams set up with up to 5 midfielders and three attackers when in possession, so they could bypass a 4 man midfield. Plus, Shane Long I don’t see as a wide option as, while he has some pace, I’m not sure he has the end product required either. I like playing Gabbi and Austin together though. It has to be worth a try. So a 3-5-2 perhaps with Yoshi, Stephens and Hoedt/ Bertrand (if VVD doesn’t return to the team), Cedric and Bertrand/ McQueen as wing-backs Lemina, Romeu and JWP/ Hojberg/ Davis in the middle and Gabbi playing in and around Austin.

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12 Sep 2017 22:09:33
It's great to have a 'conversation' with someone that writes sense .
Interestingly in your lineup, you omitted Boufal, Redmond and Tadic. I agree totally, I agree we don't hit opponents with pace. The initial passes forward are slowed down the minute one of those three get the ball. They then go through some song, dance, side shuffle, step over, beat the same player three times . and then try and pass . all too late as the opponents midfield and defence are all back and in position. Perhaps this is the reason for JWP's poor stats, he quite simply is not getting the ball and therefore can't control that number 10 position. To be fair, I was shocked at the stats for him . especially as the players around him had played the ball by a factor of 6 to 8 times more! .

My reason behind Shane Long was that of a similar role to Jay Rod played, out wide and cutting in (and becoming the third attacker) . It was more I was trying to think of a way to get the ball moving faster without the need for the Waltz, Tango and Side Steps .!

The three amigos remind me so much of Gaston Ramirez, a talented player who had great footwork, but so frustrating. With the modern day defender/ midfield being so agile and quick, a player that 'messes' around with the ball and then makes the pass, maybe 10 seconds after he should have, can end up being negative for the team.
GAbbi is an exceptional finisher and his positional play really does remind me of Shearer, Teddy S or Van Nistleroy . but while he takes up great positions, he never gets the ball.

A quality that we always had was great combination between the wing backs and midfield; this appeared almost non existent on Saturday.

It will be very interesting to see the formation/ team played Saturday. I have supported Saints for near on 50 years and played amateur football for near on 30 . and Saints on Saturday was quite possibly the most disjointed team I have ever seen.

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13 Sep 2017 09:33:54
I also notice that we both failed to mention Forster . deliberately or subconsciously I am not sure!
I am not sure we can continue with this man.
His ability to save a shot on goal is rapidly diminishing from
sometimes to never .

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13 Sep 2017 11:03:37
Thank you. I agree, that the best way to use a forum is to have a chat, clear the air and then hopefully, find a positive thread to look forward to Saturday rather than dread it.

I don’t see Redmond or Boufal as viable wing backs. Perhaps auxiliary forwards if we need to move a midfielder up to play off Austin? I still think this 3-5-2 lacks pace though. We’d rely heavily on the wing backs for pace. In an ideal world our attacking midfielder would also have pace too but if you look at a team like Leicester, they make do with pace in wide areas and a striker.

I don’t think Forster is the long term solution but he’s the best option from the current squad. I was disappointed the young keeper who came on loan last season didn’t get more of a chance. Forster doesn’t command his area which is odd given his size. The best example was Zlatan’s headed goal to beat us at Wembley last year. What was he, three yards away from our goal line? It was a floated cross too so Forster had time to get there. Distribution last season was frightening and barely reached the halfway line at times and he doesn’t get down quickly enough to save the low shots. I was concerned to see him dive to save Watford’s first attempt last week and he seemed to pull his hands away at the vital moment, as if he thought it was going wide.

So I’m not crazy. I do see the flaws, but I just think there’s no fixing some things at the moment and this is going to be another transitional season. Its cathartic to come on here and have a moan but at the same point, negativity can spread like wildfire and we end up jeering or booing our team which does little for their confidence this early on the season.

I hope performances can improve but it may be up and down like last year. We may see more from Hojberg now he’s more settled, Boufal may also improve and Lemina may be the new Schneiderlin. Fingers crossed. I also hope the new owners will make funds available next summer. I think the eds highlighted ffp rules may mean less spending this year, but given PSG have been able to do what they have with limited scrutiny, apparently ffp is now worthless.

On to managerless Palace. Its got draw written all over it with two teams struggling to score and low on confidence, but if we can get a lucky break, or if MP hits on a solution to our attacking issue, tactically or through personnel, maybe we can secure another three points. COYR.

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13 Sep 2017 15:42:51
I thought I would check on Gaston Ramirez to see where he is . off to Serie A .
It has been interesting (and enjoyable) to watch teams like Stoke and Watford this season. The days of big strong, slow and not too skillful players seems over. I actually loved watching the way Watford played. Their attacks were exciting and fast. There was very little messing around on the ball, quite simply fast passes to space and players on the run .
I mention Gaston because maybe the days of players like Boufal and Tadic in the PL are gone. With agile and quick defenders plus sharp midfields, the ball needs to be played quickly and accurately.
There are some very clever, highly skillful players around . I love to watch Jaun Matta, Fernandinho, Aguero . Willian . Hazard . but they all move the ball quickly and also move quickly into space .
Anyway, back to Saints .
Two up front . and most importantly GET THE BALL TO THEM :-)

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14 Sep 2017 15:23:27
Come back Guly. all is forgiven :-)

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10 Sep 2017 18:35:38
As far as I can see we need to use a 352 going forward dropping into a 532 in defence. Line up for me would be Anyone but Forster, hoedt, vvd, Stevens, Bertrand, Lemina, Romeu, Davis, Soares, Gabiadini and Austin. Does anyone agree?

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10 Sep 2017 19:12:55
something needs to change, IMO it is a combination of tactics and players - sometimes we don't look like a cohesive unit.
5,3,2 OR 4,4,2 - one up front isn't working.

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11 Sep 2017 07:35:06
That could work. However, that seems way too defensive. 5 at the back and 3 midfielders that have no presence in attack. Obviously, you'd have Bertrand and Cedric attacking the wings.

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11 Sep 2017 15:22:27
Saint jay, yeah, that's my vision, apols for not making it clear
hopefully we will adopt a different system soon.

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11 Sep 2017 17:41:36
Saintjay in 352/ 532 the wingbacks are key and need to be up and down the flanks as needed providing crosses in attack and smothering counter attacks offeriing outlets for the centre backs. When attacking Lemina and or Davis would push forward. This keeps options open for passing and switching the play. Everything revolves around a box to box attitude and plenty of crosses.

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12 Sep 2017 12:05:35
Yes, I am familiar with how this works. I just don't see Davis being reliable enough to be added as another attacking threat. We would essentially have 3 CB's and 3 CM's who are defensive minded. You would want someone that can sit in behind the front 2 that can move the ball about fast and get it out to the wing but would also provide support for Cedric and Bertrand. I would say that currently, Tadic would be the best person to do this.

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07 Sep 2017 09:18:33
I have a slight worry in that I don't see CA featuring as much as he would like this season unless Gabbi gets injured or his form is terrible. Does anyone or the ED's Know if Gabbi is first choice striker every time and CA will just have to play second fiddle, maybe some Sub apperances? For me CA has to play regular for Southampton to get the best from him.

{Ed002's Note - I don't know Ben.}

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07 Sep 2017 09:27:01
Good to hear from you Ed002, I read some messages back around transfer deasline and there was some idiot giving you a hard time. True Southampton supporters that comment on this forum appreciate all yours and the other Ed's effort to answer our questions. Please ignore the idiots. Keep up the good work buddy.

{Ed002's Note - Appreciate that Ben.}

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07 Sep 2017 16:20:03
I agree with you Ben, Charlie A (and for that matter Shane L) are at their sharpest when they play regularly. Reality is, Gabbi is pure class, but I think he would benefit immensely from having CA playing with him. Until the manager gets it into Redmonds and Tadic's head that they need to pass to a player in a better position rather than shoot, it won't matter who we have up front! I would be even more radical and put Shane L as one of the wide men, the same role as Jay Rod pre injury. He is never greedy, can pass, cross and score!
I would like to ask Ed has he ever encountered someone like Redmond who, how do we say politely, rates himself and his ability to score, far higher than anyone else! In other words how do you get them to pass to someone in a much better scoring position . so frustrating .

{Ed002's Note - I recall Mourinho saying Kalou always ran too far before passing. Robin Friday quitre correctly knew he was better but I was not living in England when he was playing. I am sure that there are others.}

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07 Sep 2017 17:24:34
Hi Ed, just looked up Robin Friday . great article in the Guardian 2009 . didn't have a clue who he is . I do now :-)
ps at least Kalou passed!

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08 Sep 2017 10:59:53
I'm assuming the "idiot" you're referring to Ben is me, just for pointing out that we'd been told that vvd would be 100% leaving but he didn't. If you go back to my original post that you're referring to I didn't give ed a hard time at all. I've always been very greatful of his answers, info and patience with regards to transfer knowledge of our club. I've never hounded him or called bulls**t on his info. it was a jokey comment about him getting that ONE thing wrong when he seemed to be so sure of it. I didn't expect such a touchy response. Maybe it didn't read quite how I meant It? How that makes me any less of a supporter than others on here I don't know. Some of the crap I've seen written from other fans like 87, constantly attacking the board, manager, players and constantly calling out ed is a joke of a "fan". What I wrote with regards to vvd once the window had closed was meant to be take lightheartedly, not as a personal dig.

{Ed002's Note - I am sorry, I explained things as they were and I would never write anything like "100% leaving". You can answer the questions from now on.}

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08 Sep 2017 15:51:27
Ed 002 is right Milky he never ever said VVD was 100% leaving, what he did do is answer the posts to the best of his ability on the information he was aware of. He stated quite correctly that VVD 's position at the club was untenable which let's face it, it is. I know you say it was light hearted when you posted rather smugly that VVD was staying and if I was an Ed I would have reacted the same way as he did, We ask for information and the Eds give us as much information as they can and remember most of it is their opinion. I have never known an Ed like 02 who goes out of his way and at great length sometimes to explain the complexities of things and we would certainly miss his input.

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09 Sep 2017 08:54:17
Milky. why?

You made your point, albeit like a 6 year old girl, in your original post. It did read badly and I commented at the time along with others.

If you want snippets of info you otherwise might not get, or you want your questions answered, stop being a di**!

For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure the phrase used was "I fully expect VVD to leave"

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09 Sep 2017 11:38:10
Milky u are just a hyped up computer warrior
I will say what I feel like about the board and there way of doing things.
And any crack pot that celebrates because the board couldn't sell a sell out sulker
Needs to be checked up
Yippee we have a cb that don't what to be hear or play.
In my opinion if he does come back into the fold it will be to help his career nothing to do with are team.
I would rather drop a few places than help him
Anyway just my opinion.

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09 Sep 2017 17:21:57
I totally disagree with that comment 87 if he comes back into the fold and does well we can justify the asking price. I agree he needs to go if he doesn't want to be at Southampton but the board standing firms sets a message out to others which is good for the club. Not trying to pick an argument but there are positives and negatives from vd staying.

We are loyal to Southampton so think he's a tit for the way he has behaved but let's be honest if we were in a similar situation with our own jobs to get around 3 times the salary. We'd all take the chance.

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09 Sep 2017 19:49:16
The reality is a deal has to be done you can go for x and you can go in x then it stops all the rubbish that is going around. I was quite smug watching a fire Liverpool back line today then had to watch an inept performance from us against an at best average team. How many times will out me big money signings not deliver why didn't we buy traore or likewise 13m skin player burn pace and duff a cross at least he doesn't cut inside going to be a long hard season and all our decent youth strikers are on loan.

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11 Sep 2017 10:10:26
Milky, I don't think you meant any offence, but. if you are going to write something on the lines of "don't cry about it" expect a backlash.

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01 Sep 2017 17:25:22
Great to have kept hold of Virgil Van Dijk. That really is a coup. Yes, "£70m" would have been nice in the bank account, but the player is top quality and, with five years contract still to run, the high transfer fee will still come if/ when Saints sell him. Inflated market though, might be frustrating when the prices come back down. Never mind, I'm very happy to have Van Dijk at the club and hope he plays and plays brilliantly. It's like a new signing! Maybe he transfers next window or the summer, but still.

Shame we didn't grab anyone in as a late signing, it looks obvious we need a forward of sorts. Still, optimistic

Jordy Clasie's loan move to Club Brugge is a bit of a thinker though. Do we gain from it? Does JC gain from it? Do Brugge gain from it? Would have made more sense to send him to a British club. I think this about many a loan deal. Isn't a better way to loan out a player for the player become better in the league his parent club are in, surely? Modern day football decisions baffle me.

Also, good luck to Jay Rod at WBA, hope it works out great, you score loads of goals, stay clear of injuries and you can get back into the England set up.

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02 Sep 2017 03:01:45
With regards to clause, I think maybe long term they want to keep him as a replacement for Davis as he gets older/ retired. But he's low down on the list at the moment so best to loan him out, get the game time. then we can either keep him or sell him at a later date. I think, as with a few of our players, if he was given a solid run of games and starts he'd excel like yoshida has done. but he struggles to just come in and hit the ground running.

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02 Sep 2017 09:36:40
Hi Folks

First of all this is just my opinion, as I have no idea what the sky tv money is now or what monies the club get for there finishing position in the premier league. I have been a season ticket holder for many seasons. I don't understand what this board is trying to achieve as it is obvious to me and probably many saints supporters that this club are in desperate need of a schemer/ goal scorer, yes we have Boufal who needs to beat his opponent 2/ 3 times before he actually lays the ball off or is dispossesed, Redmond who works hard but with usually no end result.
Then there is Tadic who for reasons beyond me the loyal rauncus crowd behind the goal sing his name every time he touches the ball When are the board going to buy someone who actually produces an end result, why keep buying defensive midfielders or work horses. Anyway i'm glad they didn't let the scoucers get VVD.

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02 Sep 2017 10:18:12
Go on. get Lambert. He can still be signed as a free agent. Motivational, great in the dressing room and could still do a job even if its very much part time. Even if its just to train the rest of the guys how to take a penalty!

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02 Sep 2017 11:33:09
I came here this morning having just read on sky sports app their "Free Transfer XI", a group of decent/ above average and even in some cases greatest of all time (arise Sir Richard Lambert formerly of the beetroot factory) and anyway, back to my point, Rickie Lambert was on their list and of course this means we could sign him (or any club could sign any of these free players, of course) at any time. We have three "proper" first team forwards (by "proper" I mean strikers not attacking midfielders such as Redmond, Tadic, Boufal etc) in Gabbiadini, Chaustin and Long, a fourth, even just for a year, would go down very nicely thank you very much yes please, etc

So, we have a situation:
A) sign Lambert on what would be a good deal for all concerned, his wages would be lower than most and he's a safe pair of boots (quote me on that! ) and a club legend. Need I say more, number 9 shirt needs a name on it.
B) we stick with what we got, and do what Manchester United did a little while back by throwing a kid off the radar into the team (ladies and gentleman, here's England hot shot Marcus Rashford) when we're short of strikers for a game or two
C) wait until January and buy a new striker then, or get a disgruntled top six striker on loan.
D) wait until next season, make do with what we've got, get a good top 10 finish this season and give Sam Gallagher the number 9 shirt and watch us fly up the table with him scoring 30 goals like Harry Kane did for Tottenham!


I'd go with this: sign Rickie Lambert today. Right now, get him signed. He can be our back-up striker, wear the number 9 shirt, play for a season, then next season perhaps retire from playing and take up a coaching role at the club, where he can mentor the future star Sam Gallagher to fulfil his every potential

So, in a line; I hope we're getting Rickie Lambert on a free transfer!

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02 Sep 2017 17:38:26
I agree with a lot you have said but not quite sure on what basis you reckon Sam Gallagher is a star of the future. He has been loaned out to poor clubs in a lower division and not exactly set the world alight . He is not a youngster any more as in nearly 22 and if we thought he was that good why when we are crying out for a goal scorer did we lend him out to scumbag Redknapp? I did think it was for more experience and that a striker was coming in before the window closed but that did not happen. Just maybe the club don't rate him as highly as a lot of posters on here.

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03 Sep 2017 08:18:05
I've said it for a year now olufelo on loan at yeah ok is the future movement pace strength hits the target think we should of given him time from the bench this year. Wouldn't mind ings as a back up if he is now surplus at Liverpool or Sturbridge at the right price. We go on about the kids but it seems to Of stalled with them all going on loan instead of playing 22 plus you should be in the team not out in loan.

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03 Sep 2017 23:49:11
Not if you're not good enough to be in the team you shouldn't. The ones that are get a shot, as we have shown over the last 5 years. Otherwise, why not go on loan and get some experience.

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07 Sep 2017 07:40:55
We have strikers, what we need is a creative playmaker that can be an assist king, like another post said Bouffal, Tadic and Redmond have lots of huff and puff but then it fizzles out - I'd sell all three for a decent PM that can get forward and feed the strikers - we all know that Gabbs and Austin can score but they don't want to have to run from their own box to do it.

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07 Sep 2017 09:25:09
I think selling all 3 is a bit drastic. and you need more than one player for each position anyway. tadic boufal and redmond are our most attacking players bar the strikers! Lol
Personally, I would have looked to sell tadic for a profit and get a creative CAM in.

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07 Sep 2017 11:54:54
Fair point Milky, got a bit carried away and saw pound signs! Bouffal needs a proper run out (especially seeing how much we paid for him) and I agree that Tadic would be the best to sell on.

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08 Sep 2017 22:27:18
We paid a lot for Gaston Ramirez and I see similarities to Boufal, loads and loads of skill but just not sure the PL is their kind of football. They need time on he ball but you don't get that here. They struggle with the the pace of the game in this country.

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09 Sep 2017 22:44:20
Jules t maybe you were right after all. 3 of our front 4 look pony and gabbiadini is getting nothing, which means it won't be long before he offers nothing.

I'm not a fan of 442 as a formation, but we need to start working defenders and I think having a partnership up top is the way to do it. Despite trying to be positive early on about our attacking options, we look dire and have done for some time.

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31 Aug 2017 21:18:00
Just maybe now it seems nobody else is coming in or leaving the players and the manager can get their heads down and start performing as we know most of them can. Big crowd against Watford and great support may just get us going . We are better than we have been and I have a feeling things are going to look up. We can do this.

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31 Aug 2017 22:24:18
I agree. The international break may help us out. With a lot of first team players still at camp it'll hopefully give them some time to get their heads down.

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01 Sep 2017 12:55:45
Always a good sign when its international break and most of our first team players are still at camp.

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31 Aug 2017 17:47:46
Rumours on Twitter is that saints could be signing striker, vietto from athletico Madrid.

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31 Aug 2017 18:34:16
Is there anything in this Eds?

{Ed002's Note - You should ask on Twitter.}

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31 Aug 2017 18:49:25
Ok thanks .

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31 Aug 2017 10:50:23
Hi eds, anyone believe we will see any movement at Southampton today or should I stop checking every 5 minutes and focus on my work.

I'm not expecting anything (even though we are crying out for goals) . Hope I'm wrong, I guess it's going to be a stressful time for you all today so would just like to thank you for all the information over the summer it's greatly appreciated.

{Ed002's Note - Probably not.}

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31 Aug 2017 13:18:40
You know things are bad when even a rumour site doesn't have any rumours! We don't seem to be linked or bidding on anyone at the moment. With the window closing later are there any potential additions to the squad? We still look very light up front so I would at least expect another striker. Ed's mentioned Remy, is there any truth in this?

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31 Aug 2017 13:49:46
Remy is having talks now with Las Palmas, its on Sky Sports app.

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31 Aug 2017 13:50:25
Have faith, we will pull somthing amazing out the bag, just you guys wait ;)

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31 Aug 2017 14:29:01
I admire the faith saint ben.

History has told me not to expect much.

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31 Aug 2017 14:35:31
We've had nothing rumour wise about expected signings. I know Boufal was signed on Deadline Day last year but we knew that was going to happen.

Everything is just about VVD.

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31 Aug 2017 14:47:36
As frustrating as it is for fans I do like the fact the media does not get a lot correct when it comes to Southampton dealings. We do our best to keep things under the radar until the player has signed and I believe that is how all transefers should be conducted. Granted we tend to do our business before transfer deadline day but I have a feeling we may just get one more in. Who would you love to see come in Saintwarlord?

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31 Aug 2017 15:19:49
How many players, that we actually go on and sign, are 'linked' to us anyway though?

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31 Aug 2017 15:24:00
Thats the point Sainty, normally the media gets our signings wrong most of the time and that will simply be due to the fact that we don't spill our guts whenever we are interested in a player.

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31 Aug 2017 15:29:03
Depends on which position you would say attacking midfielder I would go for Ziyech and Striker I would still go for Danny Ings.

Both realistic IMO but Ziyech could be a stretch now.

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31 Aug 2017 15:57:13
I wouldn't see liverpool doing any business with us unless it involved VVD although I would like Ings, and I think its more importatnt a statement to make by keeping VVD past this current window.

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31 Aug 2017 16:31:13
Amusing comment that I read on one of the tabloid websites

Re-create the excitement of deadline day yourself by waiting 30 seconds before your local shop shuts and purchasing a can of Pepsi for 30 quid

Too true! panic buy!

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31 Aug 2017 17:24:39
Seen Janssen from spurs linked on a loan move to swansea. Wouldn't mind highjacking that one.

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30 Aug 2017 18:19:08
Couple of things away from the constant drone of vvd and alike. congratulations to billy sharp for continuing to perform and score goals, always felt you should of been given a chance in the prem, also jay rod for looking fit, sharp and scoring goals good luck to both . now back to the usual.

shane long rumoured to Celtic that surely can't happen and I would still like a forward to come in.2 nil nils in games that on paper we should be winning feel that a plan b (direct target man) bought on in the last 10 minutes could bag us the points. who would everyone like as their deadline day signing?

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30 Aug 2017 18:24:50
Anybody! Bet we sign no one it's the saints way!

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30 Aug 2017 18:52:39
Glaringly obvious that we need a target man.

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30 Aug 2017 18:56:01
I fancy Anthony Knockaert from Brighton, fast and deadly in front of goal. He would probably come here if we paid enough. I rate him and he would work well with Gabby.

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30 Aug 2017 19:51:39
Costa on a three month loan (lol) but more seriously Origi permanently.

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30 Aug 2017 21:22:29
He'd probably have a punch up with Oreol in the warm up.

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30 Aug 2017 21:57:27
A few teams seem to be in need of a target man, I agree origin could be a good option, not necessarily a target man but a decent player who gives 100% every game.

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30 Aug 2017 22:37:50
He's off to Europe according to SSN.

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31 Aug 2017 13:13:18
Sky sports reporting VVD has left the training ground in a blacked out car? Where is he going?

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31 Aug 2017 14:27:06
Home after training?

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30 Aug 2017 08:03:51
Heard on the vine of grapes that Arsenal want VVD and are prepared to swap Wallcott - there is a delay on money as he wants more than Saints can offer, so to me that says he wouldn't rule a return out. I think that would be a great asset to the team and would happily see VVD leave for the 75 million price tag.

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30 Aug 2017 09:04:53
I've heard it's hit the bricks already cause Walcott wants 180k pw we can only offer 130k pw but it would still make him the highest earner.

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30 Aug 2017 09:26:15
Yeah I don't think the club should be prepared to change our wage system for Theo Walcott. If one player earns that much than our whole team will want the same.

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30 Aug 2017 09:33:45
Not entirely sure Walcott is the solution to our lack of goals up front. Plus as someone plus the Eds stated these cash plus players deals are really difficult to put together. There are better options out there i'm sure.

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30 Aug 2017 10:12:50
I'd be surprised if we could get to 130 k to be honest. think we have a fairly strict wage structure and believe our top earner may actually be ff. on about 100k 😵.

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30 Aug 2017 12:21:56
Why would we want Theo Walcott? I have been trying to think of a reason but no can't think of one. This has to be just journalistic speculation otherwise known as grabbing at straws.

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30 Aug 2017 13:26:00
Why would we not want him? We desperately need a creative player with some pace and he fits the bill, the current AM's seem bereft of ideas.

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30 Aug 2017 15:25:53
If Walcott allegedly wants that amount then he clearly doesn't want to come (if he ever did)

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29 Aug 2017 18:47:20
Heard that Liverpool have offered £70 million, Sakho and Ings for VvD, for 2018. We get 10 million now, and Sakho and Ings, they get VvD next season.
This was from a Manchester United fan, not sure of the actual source.

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29 Aug 2017 19:29:06
Player swap deals are rare I can't see us getting two I think Ings would be great for us, he should of came here instead of Liverpool tbh.

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29 Aug 2017 19:53:26
Why would we want Sakho? 7 CBs?

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29 Aug 2017 20:55:07
Sakho is a great defender if his head is in the right place. We would buy to improve our starting 11 if VVD goes. The amount of CBs is immaterial if 5 out of the 7 aren't top premier league standard. Bit like our "nearly good" attacking mids. Loads there but none top drawer consistently.

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29 Aug 2017 22:23:56
If this is even half true I'll eat my own ears.

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29 Aug 2017 23:14:01
Sorry but that just sounds like a ridiculous deal. Total value well over 100m (per Liverpool's Sakho valuation), incredibly complex (the kind of deal that only happens in fans' imagination) and I really don't think we'd replace VVD if he left - Hoedt was brought in for that reason, whether VVD goes this year or next.

Asked Eds about Player deals a few months ago and got a really detailed reply - they said they're as good as impossible. If any deal with players going each way happened they would be separate deals, especially at the end of the window when everything needs to be rushed through to an extent.

All this said, as a fan my imagination says 50-55 mil + Origi (or two separate deals to that effect) seems like a bit of a win-win, even though I'd prefer a CAM to a ST for Saints.

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28 Aug 2017 08:57:13
Perhaps u can help eds. What is it the club hope to gain by keeping vvd? Surely he won't play for us anyway if we keep him and if he does I can't see it will be with any conviction on his part. I know he could go to a club that is not Liverpool, but given their stance even selling to anyone would make a mockery of thier current statements. How does either side come out saving face?

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool and, in particular Klopp, are totally responsible for the damage that has been done and the situation Southampton and the player find themselves in. I cannot personally see a way back for the player or the club and would expect him to move on this week.}

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28 Aug 2017 11:06:04
Thanks ed. I agree he needs to move on now but just can't understand why club are sticking to the 'not going anywhere' story when they must know he needs to leave too. Surely it will make us look weak? Why not just be honest and say will be going? Does our current stance increase his value?

{Ed002's Note - No clubs think about other clubs "looking weak" just like they don't care about "statements of intent" or any such thing. This makes no difference to his value.}

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28 Aug 2017 17:05:56
Thanks for thoughts ed! Personally I just want the saga to end. It seems like it has dragged on and perhaps scuppered other transfer opportunity we might have had with the income.

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28 Aug 2017 19:27:53
World Cup next year, can't see him being picked if he hasn't played the entire season. He's on a very long contract, the club has all the power and it's nice to see them not being bullied into selling for once. I expect him to stay and apologise and play again.

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28 Aug 2017 19:45:16
Will fetch more in January.

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28 Aug 2017 21:11:26
Spoke to an ex saints player 2 weeks ago and he had spent the whole Friday at saints. Won't name him but I was on a flight to Guernsey he stated categorically that VVD was not for sale this window and would NOT be going to Liverpool- clearly money talks but that was the clubs stance and appears to remain so. Why would anyone sign for a manager who appears to think he is bigger than the players the way they have treated sakho and mignonette seems appalling and basically bullying in any other workplace. Also why would anyone want a player who has basically been on strike twice at two clubs comes across ok but appears to be a merchant banker.

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29 Aug 2017 09:58:21
Saints0001 I agree with you but also why would we want a player who has basically been on strike twice and appears to be a merchant banker.

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27 Aug 2017 15:44:07
Heard the player we have gone in for is Jovetic as a late buy. We lack in strikers and him and Gabbi may compliment each other with Gabbi playing can.

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27 Aug 2017 18:39:48
Pity we didn't get Chris Wood.

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28 Aug 2017 00:19:13
Where'd did ya hear this?

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28 Aug 2017 10:55:44
Any links or proof to this rumour saint weaver or was it the voices in your head.

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28 Aug 2017 16:25:38
It's just talk around, didn't suggest it's true, merely posted a rumour on a rumour site Mark 29 or was it the voices in your head telling you I decided to just randomly post something?

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29 Aug 2017 17:14:20
Jovetic is not coming to saints, he's signed for Monaco.

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27 Aug 2017 11:56:23
Pelgrino has said there are some good players available so we could see some deals completed!

{Ed002's Note - Surely not!}

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27 Aug 2017 13:40:44
Lol ed brilliant, any movement on rent or are there any other targets you are aware of? The manager saying we are waiting for movement in the market do you think that's in regards to Remy because I though he was free to move on?

{Ed002's Note - Nothing new happened overnight.}

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