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30 Jan 2018 15:46:15
25 mil bid for promes rejected. Guessing this won't happen now.

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30 Jan 2018 16:16:38
Think it depends on Spartan getting their replacement Hanni from Anderlecht and us upping a bit more. Player is keen on the move.

30 Jan 2018 16:33:34
yes but we are running out of time. only a couple of days left so it will be tight to get him.

30 Jan 2018 16:36:12
We need to up the bid and spend out this lad I think will be worth it.

30 Jan 2018 16:46:21
Les must have a plan b if this goes tits up.

30 Jan 2018 17:26:24
Much depending on this deal. if we don't get many points out of Brighton and West Brom then MP will be out and the fans will turn against the club, big time.

Our other relegation candidates are strengthening their squads so Les must achieve something. and damn quick.

30 Jan 2018 17:59:31
I will be very, very shocked if this doesn't go through. This sounds like a very dangerous game. I read earlier that 30m is this clause, so I don't know why we didn't just go for it. If we had gone for a lower bid like a week ago and had that rejected then it would have been fine. But a day before deadline day just seems stupid to me.

30 Jan 2018 18:14:33
I agree guys. Our Prem status is at risk.
I think they will put a final take it or leave it offer in as usually there are 3. Question is how much?
We are min 5 mil short, Think final bid will be 28 mil.
They are banking on Spartak going for it.
Hope there is a plan B if it goes . up.
Got to get this over the line Les. Please don’t mess it up!

30 Jan 2018 18:15:16
Just seen mahrez has handed in a tranfer request
If he goes to city Leicester could come in late and take him from under our nose.

30 Jan 2018 19:19:17
Amazed at all of the "Guessing" above. we don't know and Saints always keep the cards close to the chest. Would love to be a negotiator on these deals, its Poker . we should not just stump up additional money unconditionally, we still are a Mid Premiership Team, and you might not think so. but we are very well run!
We have Josh Sims coming back into fitness, that will be like a new signing, we have our new Pelle replacement from Monaco, if you think Mbappe and Falcao were holding back, that's nothing to be ashamed of.
Charlie Austin back training. a great reserve goalkeeper in Forster, Lamina and Romue looking good, not even worried about our Central Defenders and just hope to keep Soares and Bertrand fit because they are "Top Drawer".
Cut the manager some slack and get behind our Team. We will be okay!

30 Jan 2018 19:38:40
Yes great have players back etc. But those players have us in 18th at the moment cause we can't score and way we have played I don't think we can say we are a mid table team.

And yes they may keep things quiet but you put an low offer in on the day before transfer deadline it's just taking the micky.

If we want the player put in a proper bid. Fair enough a low offer a week ago.

30 Jan 2018 20:45:00
I'd be surprised if we pull this off
I was surprised we offered 25 mill
If the don't budge there has to be another option.

30 Jan 2018 20:50:24
I thought that the guessing was the fun part of all this.

30 Jan 2018 20:51:16
The players are NOT responsible for our league position. that responsibility lies with the manager AND the board for allowing this debacle to unfold! I reiterate we have tremendous players whom are following instruction as good professionals should do.

30 Jan 2018 20:55:27
I can't see the board spending the money on him transfer or wages and I Ed002 is right it doesn't make sense to go to Southampton. We had a few glory years the past few seasons but we can't keep up with the wages other clubs can afford. Would like to be wrong on the situation but we have to be realistic as well.

30 Jan 2018 22:10:18
19th place now! Will be interesting to see what happens with the remaining hours.

30 Jan 2018 22:18:02
We can’t give up now. We are second from bottom and Swans just went above us with a mahoosive result.
We have to win tomorrow night. If we lose we have to get MS in pronto to turn the juggernaut. But we still need that signing.

30 Jan 2018 22:49:08
What are you talking about Saint Paul. You don't know what the players are being told. You don't know what is going on behind the scenes. You can't say anybody has allowed this debacle, if we insist on calling it that, to happen. You must have a very short memory, but the debacle actually started in August/ September (we're not calling 8th place last year a debacle) .

It is now the end of January, so less than 6 months after it started. For 5 of those months, the board's hands were tied. In the last month, we have sold (for a very good price) the player who the board/ manager, you know the people who actually do know what's going on behind the scenes, felt had played a big role in the debacle.

They have also broken our transfer record on a new striker, and according to reports put in a bid for a winger who would break our transfer record once again. From the sounds of it they were pushing hard for Walcott too. Based on the fee Everton paid, I suspect we were willing to break our transfer record for him also. What about this suggests that the board is allowing this to unfold. They are taking action but signing a football player is not as simple in real life as it is on FIFA.

You also can't just absolve the players of all responsibility for this season. They are the ones on the pitch not getting results. Tactics and managers are important, but they can only control so much. I don't believe that MP doesn't understand football to the extent that the players don't stand a chance of keeping us up, and don't see that anyone can possibly have any basis for saying so.

30 Jan 2018 22:59:24
Let's hope we take the FA cup performance into the next game, must win, as other seemingly struggling teams who have changed their manager have now started to put results together, 19th with so many teams compacted and all adding quality to their sides, 14 games left.
Let's hope new signings make a difference, or the manager, uses a different system.

30 Jan 2018 23:09:20
Facts are facts, we could go bottom tomorrow night with basically the same squad who finished 8th last season. I may be no rocket scientist but it doesn’t take much intelligence to see that something is seriously wrong with the motivation and style of play. Just can’t believe that MP is still there no other club would have let this happen.

Potentially we are going to spend multi millions of pounds on players to take us in to the Championship and if this happens these massive deals we are doing will ultimately mean we will crash and burn financially as these players will lose value massively if we are relegated. How on earth did we allow this situation to happen. How much longer do we say get off the managers back and support the club . Just don’t get it guys.

31 Jan 2018 05:41:56
If we lose tomorrow I think that will be the straw that broke the camels back
Who ever comes in should have been installed months ago but that's just my opinion
Only time will tell I'd like pellegrino to prove us wrong but from previous games he's failed to do that so we're 19th
Didn't see that coming this year
If we do scrap and fight and get 3 points tomorrow we go up massively to 13th 14th but that obviously depends on other results
Who saw the swans doing what they've done in the last 2 games but fair play to them for showing so courage and belief
Tonight will be tough but we have to win nothing else.

31 Jan 2018 08:19:32
I mean it's been about a month of saying get off his back Chris, not really that long when you long beyond the ridiculous short termism the people on this forum. What did Fergie say was his most important philosophy? Long termism.

If you don't get it I'd really suggest you actually read, with a vaguely open mind, one of the many posts on previous threads, by myself and others, which have explained what we're saying. If you genuinely don't get the logic behind it then there's absolutely no point repeating myself more. You're allowed to disagree but I've had it with having the same argument with people making the same points over and over again without even reading or thinking about a word anyone else says.

31 Jan 2018 09:08:55
I agree 123 the whole purpose of this site is to post what your personal beliefs are which is just fine. I honestly don't think it is about a month since people have been getting on MP's back your watch must have stopped. Our club turned itself around in amazing fashion from 2009 till 18 months ago. I just don't get that all that grit and determination can be thrown down the toilet on a principle of loyalty. Over the last 12 months we seem to have had a long term illness which if not treated quickly can become terminal. If we get relegated I don't see any chance of us returning to the PL in a hurry, we have a squad of players that should never be in this situation and although they are responsible for their personal performances they should also be coached to play in a particular way that suits their skills. We have a squad full of internationals who together as a team should never be in the league position we are in. The buck stops at the people in charge of them who are not getting the best out of them. People would have gone crazy if we had got rid of MP and brought the likes of Roy Hodgson in as a rescue plan but unfortunately sometimes in desperate times you have to consider desperate measures. I admire your loyalty and belief in MP and his employers 123 but sometimes even you may have to admit defeat and accept that you and all the rose tinted glasses people on this forum maybe wrong to stick with the current regime. We could still get out of this but if we do it will be by the skin of our teeth which was totally unnecessary, I am certain a show of hands would maybe agree with me but then again maybe not, one thing is for certain though I honestly hope I'm wrong and you're right I honestly do. All of this is as we agree down to personal opinion which makes this site so refreshing and should never be used as tool for personal criticism.

31 Jan 2018 10:10:16
SSN say we have matched the figure but Spartak are not playing as can’t get a replacement in so deal may be off?

31 Jan 2018 10:26:53
Yea just read that Guernsey boy. No surprise with when we have left it to if it's true.

31 Jan 2018 11:08:30
so what's going to happen?! are they wanting a bigger fee? just seen Lamela could be an alternative? or Schrulle? this whole situation is awful and I am so worried about our season. something needs to change, be it get rid of the "manager" or get some decent players in. I really think this is the end of our run in the Prem.

31 Jan 2018 11:42:25
No they are struggling to get anyone in to replace him which is why they think the deal is off. Saying we have offered the £30 mil. Schurlle is a no as Dortmund have said keeping as injury problems with squad.

31 Jan 2018 13:26:32
Chuck them redmond and 30 million for promes, problem solved for both clubs.

31 Jan 2018 14:10:45
Of course JGFC, just add a 15-20 million pound player to our offer like its nothing. Then we'll believe you're running the club well.

And Chris I'm really not a rose tinted glasses type person, I'm just being reasonable about our situation and thinking about the bigger picture. You keep trying to call panic and over-reactions "pessimism" and "realism", and saying anybody else has their head in the sand. The point, as I've said so many times, is that your opinions are not informed by fact. They are informed by doom and gloom assumptions (actually, read back the posts - it borders on conspiracy theories rather than just assumptions) and in the case of many people a complete lack of understanding of how football/ the world works.

And you said they're throwing years of work away in the name of loyalty, but that's again just not true. They are not keeping MP out of loyalty, they are doing so because they believe that he is the best man available for the job. As I've pointed out before, people love to say he should be fired but everyone draws a blank when asked who should replace him. This is a huge part of the decision to fire him, is it not? The honest truth is, whether you think Strachan, Keane or Koeman could do a good job, all of those options are hardly certainties. You might disagree, but you cannot possibly say the board are incompetent for deciding that they are not upgrades, or in Koeman's case they just don't want to go back to someone who ditched us like he did. All of those are perfectly reasonable decisions, even if you think they are the wrong ones.

And anyway, I've said if it was me then I'd have sacked him, but I'm not ready to start making unfounded accusations against the club and turn against everyone associated with it just because the board have a different opinion to me. It's called being rational and reasonable, I urge certain members of this forum (and that's not actually directed at you Chris) to consider trying it.

Point is: please stop with all the doomsday crap. Just because you disagree with a decision doesn't mean that there is no justification behind it. I, and others like Figo, have written a few posts explaining why the board might think keeping MP is their best option. Personally, I disagree, but there are many reasons why it makes sense to do so and in no way does their approach make me think they're throwing anything down the toilet.

31 Jan 2018 14:39:48
Saints123 I understand what you are saying completely.

But do you not think we actually needed to do some more business in this window.

I believe with a few new faces for competition it would push other players to raise their performances.

And let's be fair our biggest issue has been putting the ball in the back if the net when we get the opportunity.

I get you don't just chuck the asking price straight at a club you barter/ negotiate on the price. However if we really wanted promes the offers should have gone in earlier not start the the barter the day before transfer deadline day.

This is what I am frustrated at.

31 Jan 2018 15:22:59
Like we could get that figure for Redmond! but with the short undetailed post I thought it may be taken for what it was, a bit of a joke, as often the short and sweet posts on here. Also my post said nothing about the running of the club. In regards to starting negotiations for targets earlier in the window, if we had done that I wonder if a player and cash deal could of been considered (less cash than originally stated) had we had more time but we don't know if we maybe missed out on another target or negotiations broke down which is why the promes option was so late on in the window possibly.

31 Jan 2018 19:07:31
To Saints123.
I will be guarded in what I write but I can inform you that every team at the club is being coached in exactly the same way. I cannot tell you what the first team players are being instructed but I can comment on the younger players and their instructions. Their formation and tactics mirror what we see from the first team week in week out, so do their results. Do not ask me to breach confidences you must trust my words as a gentlemen and a true Saints fan.
Ive just seen the starting line up tonight, where are the goals or even creation coming from? I will be cheering tonight and supporting the team as I have done so for 53 years.

31 Jan 2018 19:38:53
Yes saint Paul I think your find every team at the club is coached by the official fa guide to basic team coaching written by a certain Leslie reed, cancer at the club with a clown manager, the book is for real check Amazon.

31 Jan 2018 20:49:56
Half time, absolute garbage football! Players need to be allowed to express themselves and win the game. All mp does is justiculate to them to get behind the ball and keep their shape. Are you watching 123?

31 Jan 2018 21:08:16
Predictive txt! Gesticulate.

31 Jan 2018 22:01:04
Something has to change. I agree with with the comments, yes it’s far from all doom and gloom but RK states we have a talented squad capable of top half, with the situation the way it is, it has to be the manager. I also don’t understand why some think there is no one available. Marco silva is out of work.

01 Feb 2018 15:53:48
Ludders I do share all the frustrations you're talking about. I agree it seems odd that the Promes stuff happened so late - there was about a week between the Walcott pursuit failing and us seeming to get serious about Promes. But my point is we have no idea what was going on behind the scenes; we rely on journalists who are notoriously dishonest and sensationalist when it comes to the transfer window. So let's not take everything they report as absolute fact, and let's not assume that if they're not reporting on anything then it's because the people running the club are sitting there twiddling their thumbs. Once you stop making those assumptions, all of your views will start to seem a little bit less obvious. And that's the thing, I'm not even saying you're wrong. I'm just saying can we please stop treating every decision we don't agree with as proof of some big conspiracy theory.

JGFC I think 15/ 20 mil is probably realistic for Redmond in the current market. He's a young English attacker with potential. It's a ridiculous amount, sure, but every transfer these days is for a ridiculous amount.

SaintPaul: yes I was watching. Thanks for asking. And since you're being like that and making it personal, did you happen to watch the second half? Because while you were tapping away at your keyboard he was changing the formation, making 2 subs at halftime and being proactive about trying to change the game. It was still a poor result, and personally I think his initial team selection warrants criticism, but I was at least delighted to see him try and shake things up at halftime. I'm sure you plan to overlook this, though, we wouldn't want to run the risk of being fair to the guy now would we.

01 Feb 2018 16:47:25
Wow! I wasn’t being personal just asking a question. Proactive? Unplanned desperation as apposed to clever tactical substitutions! He has lost the players and the fans, there is no way we will survive relegation if he remains in charge. That performance was woeful and inept and did you honestly think the second half was good? Just listen to what ALL of the retired professionals are saying about our performances this season, they know what they are talking about and what they are saying is not complimentary. MP is s really nice guy but a premier league manager he is not.

01 Feb 2018 17:32:08
I agree, I'd have fired him. How many times do I need to say this. But thanks for answering my question, no you don't plan to be fair. Cool.

To answer yours, I think the second half was a lot better and while we should criticise MP for the first half and his team selection, we should credit him for making the changes and seeing improvement on the pitch. Especially since one of the most common criticisms of MP I've seen is his perceived conservatism and reluctance to try things and shake things up. Yesterday he did this, and nobody gives a crap.

We criticise when he doesn't do anything, and when he does we refuse him any credit. It is seriously time for us fans to lo`ok in the damn mirror. After the penalty yesterday the crowd deserted the team. Boos rang around the ground just 20 minutes in. I saw an article today criticising Southampton fans, saying that the team, unlike every other team in the league, does not benefit from a home field advantage. After last night, I 100% agree with this article and those fans going to games and booing as soon as things get tough, groaning at every backpass need to take a serious look in the mirror. I suspect, based on the posts on this forum, many people on here are included in this.

02 Feb 2018 11:54:51
sorry 123, usually I find your posts etc to be very balanced, but on this occasion, it is a bit much to expect people to recognise half time changes, after 23 games of the season gone. Yes, MP does not get everything wrong, but more than a competent Prem manager should. Personally, I can't defend him at all.

02 Feb 2018 15:17:55
Considering one of the big criticisms of him is his failure to do exactly that - react in game and make proactive changes - I personally think it is only fair that we recognise when he does do that.

Regardless of this, my main point stands though: it's time for us fans to acknowledge that we are one of the biggest contributors to the struggles the team are having. I for one don't think a manager change will make too much difference (although it's probably time to fire him anyway) because any manager is coming into such a hostile situation. If he goes 1-0 down in his first game, then that'll be game over and he'll have "lost the fans" as someone said about MP.

28 Jan 2018 20:52:34
See we are now being linked to a loan bid for that young spurs full back Kyle walker-peters I think is his name. You heard anything about this ed.

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28 Jan 2018 21:37:11
Don't really see why that would happen. He wouldn't play for us at rb or lb and surely Spurs won't want to loan him out just to sit on someone else's bench instead of theirs.

29 Jan 2018 17:09:53
Not good enough pied is better back up.

30 Jan 2018 10:42:43
Hi Ed’s. One day until the window slams shut.
Is there any update on the Quincy Promes talks at all or any other possible ins?

{Ed002's Note - Even if Southampton were to bid enough I don't get why QP would be interested in the move. But it remains possible.}

27 Jan 2018 12:50:53
Just read an article where Quincy Promes' official Instagram account responded to a report from Russian media that he was not interested in joining Saints as we're 'one of the worst teams in the Premier League'. Quincy's one word reply was 'false'. Unclear whether he means its false about not wanting to join or that the reason given is false, but interesting to see he responded. Looks like there's still hope though.

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29 Jan 2018 02:51:35
I’d like to be more positive but I think we have made our one signing this window.

31 Jan 2018 03:27:26
Less than 24 hours to go.

31 Jan 2018 11:15:58
I think we just have to be patient. Yes less than 24 hours but you never know. Just keep faith. Come on saints! We will sign someone before the window closes.

31 Jan 2018 16:34:13

26 Jan 2018 13:18:32
Carrillo has officially signed! Bring on the goals!

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26 Jan 2018 22:41:14
I really hope I’m wrong but Carillo looks an average player with an average track record. He’s supposed to be good in the air but not that good with his feet, a panic buy I feel and one the club will regret 19.2 million times.

27 Jan 2018 08:34:08
Hope not I've watched him on u tube his movement and alertness looked ok but obviously there not going to show when he's played a mare
All we can do is cheer the lad on and hope he has the same impact gabbi did last year.

28 Jan 2018 11:43:33
What is wrong with you lot . give the man a chance, at Monaco he had to fight with wonderful players for a starting birth. We have missed Pelle and he has some similar qualities, strong, ariel, good age

Im pleased to see him . welcome to the club, we need your assistance

28 Jan 2018 15:59:55
to be fair to him, he was only behind Cavani, Lacazette and Neymar in terms of goals per minute. Give him a chance, he might surprise you.

26 Jan 2018 05:16:35
Just read, Southampton have made a loan offer for Atletico Madrid winger Nicolas Gaitan.
Now, that would be Great!
Don't know if that's aswell as any possible Promes deal or as a back up if the deal doesn't happen.
Can you verify this or add to it EDS?

{Ed002's Note - The interest is there in Gaitan.}

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26 Jan 2018 10:42:43
Eds am reading Promes is going to reject us. Hence the Gaitan move. Have you heard anything?

{Ed002's Note - To be fair I can't see any reason for Quincy Promes to leave Spartak for Southampton.}

26 Jan 2018 10:39:07
Would way rather Promes personally. Extra pace which I think is what we lack, and younger. Seems like more of a long-term buy in our typical mould.

26 Jan 2018 11:02:17
Thanks Ed. Tend to agree with you.

26 Jan 2018 13:54:54
the reason for promes to leave spartak for soton is they are russias celtic win a league that is weak then get beaten by 7 by Liverpool. If he signs plays well he will be off in 18months for more money and won't have to put up with racist crap from his own supporters in the interim.

27 Jan 2018 05:05:14
I feel we can sign Promes and we are trying but I think if he was to accept to join our club, there would be a clause to be sold immediately if we did get relegated or missed out on Some other league and or FA cup targets. I hope he signs!

27 Jan 2018 08:43:42
I think for Promes it would be a smart move. UK is totally different country than Russia. Secondly, in Soton giants may notice you. Of course, he will be with us only for 18 or 30 months, but we have to accept that fact.

{Ed002's Note - So you think he should agree to 2 and a lf years in the widerness to be noticed by "giants"? A move to Southampton would make zero sense for him.}

27 Jan 2018 09:25:41
He would honestly probably be with us for less. The cons do outweigh the pros For him to join Southampton. But we can dream! What ever happened to leo baptisao? We still interested in him?

27 Jan 2018 10:27:14
Russian league very different from PL. Usually the giants want to make sure player can perform in the top league, before buying. You think it was a bad move for Mane as well to come to Southampton? And don't forget Russia is Rusdia for living.

27 Jan 2018 11:51:45
Just read a report where the media said Promes didn't want to join Southampton but his instagram account commented "false" suggesting he is interested!?

27 Jan 2018 12:33:40
Hi eds. Thanks for all the help I here. Do you believe the rumours coming our saying he does notbwantbto join are true. If so is it only gaitan as a potential other option or is there anyone else that we are looking at that's may be signed this month.

{Ed002's Note - I know nothing of rumours but it makes little sense for him to move to Southampton, but we will see. It would take a significant offer to make something happen.

There is interest from several sides in Gaitan. A move might bring out the better side of his play which has been drifting away recently.}

27 Jan 2018 12:51:09
Thank you. I agree seems a strange move for him given our current position.

Someone it a similar style to him I think is Definately needed and would work well with the addition of carillo.

29 Jan 2018 14:42:44
Don't see why Southampton would be quite such a weird move for Promes. Sure, it seems like he could do a bit better and at least find a club of Everton's stature, but we've seen weirder things happen.

25 Jan 2018 20:53:11
Eds are you hearing any names linked to the saints other than Carillo and Promes? Just curious, the rumours seem to all be about those two.

{Ed002's Note - Nicolas Gaitan remains of interest as a loanee but it might prove difficult. Interest remains in Ben Godfrey but nothing can now happen until the summer.}

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25 Jan 2018 21:28:12
Carrillo signed, now for Quincy P. Score more goals than the opposition and you win games!

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25 Jan 2018 22:04:09
What's the latest on Promes?

25 Jan 2018 22:18:32
We're chasing him. I think we're close to agreeing the signing fee with Moscow. However, what I didn't realise is that his wage is 130k per week, so he'll need to take a huge pay cut to join us.

26 Jan 2018 00:49:00
To be honest teams we perceive to be below us are paying those wages and the money from TV rights are rediculous. If we want to stay in the Premiership we need to start paying the wages that the better players demand. We need to move forward with the times.

26 Jan 2018 07:52:48
I agree - if we ever hope to challenge and push forward you have to match the "big boys" otherwise we will only attract peripheral players or those who just use us as a stepping stone (appreciate this happens. ) - with new investment surely this must be realitically achievable?

26 Jan 2018 10:06:52
I disagree guys. There is little point in breaking your wage structure to sign one player as not only does that effect your finances for him, it upsets the balance across the team as many other players could demand new contracts to improve their wages to match this new level. The club could be blown out of the water financially in one fell swoop, or risk upsetting the squad and losing key players who insist on leaving if their new wage demands aren’t met. It is crucial that a club of our size keeps its finances in check. If we go heavily into debt, bringing in players we cannot afford to keep and they all jump ship, we end up relegated and at risk of going into administration. One transfer can have such a huge effect.

The reality is, we cannot match the big boys. Our club is smaller in every respect. We do not have the history of League, European or domestic cup success let alone the finances. Our ground is smaller, we sell fewer match day tickets, we sell cheaper match day tickets, we sell fewer replica shirts, we do not have a global brand, our marketing and sponsorship contracts are likely to be smaller, we receive less TV income than the big teams as we are on TV less, not only in our domestic league but in Europe and domestic cups as well. We cannot compete with them and we should not risk ruining the club to try.

The way we compete with the big teams is to have some of the best youth systems and training facilities in the country. The aim is not only to develop good young players but to make the best of the squad we have and also, our facilities have often been sited by new signings as a major reason why they sign for us. They see the set-up we have and see how professional and detailed our approach is behind the scenes.

So the club’s long term aim is (and should continue to be) to sign young players and develop them. If you look at Tottenham, their squad is paid very little compared to the other teams around them but they have young, hungry players who believe in the project and are all pulling together. When they get older, if Tottenham isn’t enough, then they may move on but there is always someone else to take their place. The difference between our aims and theirs are that they have greater money to spend and tend to focus on instant impact players to bring in, whereas we look to sign for the future.

If Promes won’t agree to our wage structure, we have to move on. It would be a shame to miss out on a talent like his, but it may be the black box can unearth another. It seems Gaitan is that back-up option if we can persuade him. I’m not sure who the next cab off the rank would be as the reports I’ve read so far only relate to Promes and Gaitan as wide options.

26 Jan 2018 15:37:20
Good sensible quote Figo agree with most of it. The point on the world class training facilities is very true and brilliant academy also true. Unfortunately nothing much seems to be coming out of this academy lately. I wonder why.

26 Jan 2018 17:23:45
It was interesting. I just did some digging into wage structures in Premier League. And on average, we are higher than a lot of clubs. I think the only non-big 6 teams that were above us was Everton, Leicester and West Ham. Which, wasn't surprising to read, we pay each player on average 55k per week.
However, the highest paid player at each club we are 16th (Lemina on 80k according to this article) . Whereas players like Benteke fit the bracket - he's on 120k per week but CP's average wage is lower than ours.
So yes looking at this transfer would it really be worth breaking our wage structure and upsetting more players in the team and creating friction from that?
And as Figo was saying we're not a global brand, if we bring in Promes, yes he will probably be our top shirt seller. However, we won't be selling hundreds of thousands of shirts with his name on the back aboard. Players like Pogba and Sanchez, the global recognition they get, they up paying for themselves.

26 Jan 2018 20:54:24
To be honest saintjay until recently I had never heard of Quincy Promes and I am pretty sure nobody else in the world that are just general football supporters have heard of him either. Can’t see there is going to be a rush globally to buy his shirt even if he signs for SFC which I very much doubt is going to happen.

27 Jan 2018 12:00:37
I think we do have to break our typical MO. I think especially how we are going, we need to shake things up. Maybe we really do just need to get rid of the board or manager. Who knows. Something definitely needs to change. Who knows if we need to change our transfer and wage policy. We won't know til we do it no?

27 Jan 2018 12:33:14
That's a very interesting stat saintjay, however when you look at money in each season due to TV rights it keeps going up and up. Next summer is meant to be a record breaker again supposedly. We sold Manè at 34m was it? Please correct me if I'm wrong, where as the prices these days surely that would have been higher.

I don't wish the club to start trying to pay over the odds for players and for wages but I do believe decent attackers these days are certainly getting paid higher wages. If there is no goals coming in, there is a problem. I'm not wanting the club to put itself in a financial difficulty but surely a decent attacking player these days that will make a difference in the Premiership has to be worth at least 100k a week.

I don't know enough about quincy to say he'd definitely be the man but we also need to start moving forward if we hope to achieve "the European targets" as stated in the clubs ambition.
The way it's going this season we are going to be in for a tough ride. To me it seems like there is a massive problem behind the scenes, our team chemistry and overall fitness compared to other teams has been very crucial in last several years but it looks like we are lacking in both departments this season. Just hope we can pull through and gather enough points to stay up.

I believe we will but I think it's going to be a nail biting season for the supporters if we don't turn things around soon. The manager just hasn't been using our players strengths all season. Tadic is a quality crosser but Shane long and gabbiadini aren't target men. Shane long is great at distracting defenders and gabbi is a great finisher and poacher with the ball at his feet, the ball in the air to the pair is wasted. We need to start playing more through balls and early crosses on the deck for the pair.

27 Jan 2018 12:39:41
great post figo.

25 Jan 2018 15:27:31
Hey Ed's, any possibility on Slimani from Leicester? Few rumblings going round.

{Ed002's Note - No Jule.}

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23 Jan 2018 13:31:37
WHat's the situation with Promes, Eds? Is Marco Silva replacing Pellegrino? Carillo rumours off?

{Ed002's Note - (a) He needs persuading but Southampton are trying. (b) Perhaps. (c) Not that I am aware.}

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23 Jan 2018 19:29:38
Thanks, Eds!

24 Jan 2018 12:36:56
Carrillo fee agreed of £19.1 mil. SSN. Not signed yet. It’s a start lads!

24 Jan 2018 15:13:52
Let’s hope so just hope we don’t play him as a lone striker, wouldn’t surprise me.

24 Jan 2018 15:17:45
Ah dammit, I don't really want Carillo. Hopefully he proves me wrong though!

24 Jan 2018 15:29:50
Let’s hope Quincy is not far behind. Would be amazing!

24 Jan 2018 16:36:58
This lad could be what we've been missing up front
Hopefully we will see him next Wednesday against Brighton.

24 Jan 2018 18:06:44
Could be ready for a bit part sat doesn’t say much for Gallagher though does it similar sort of player?

24 Jan 2018 20:45:03
Apparently we are expecting to have signed Promes by saturday.

24 Jan 2018 20:45:10
I’ve done a little digging on Guido Carrillo and he does look very promising. I was unsure before as his goal scoring record didn’t look great but now I’ve had a look its much more impressive.

Carrillo is pushing 6ft 3 and 13 ½ stone so is very good in the air. say his strengths are aerial duels and headed attempts, he likes flicking the ball on to teammates and is dangerous from freekicks. He looks like a good Pelle replacement. The bonus is he’s only 26.

Goals-wise, he has scored 15 goals and has 4 assists from 75 appearances in Ligue 1 and the Champions League/ Europa League, but only 24 of those were starts and his average sub appearance time is under 20 minutes, so 15 goals from 24 starts is pretty impressive. This season alone he has scored 8 goals from 24 appearances, only 6 of which were starts. When you factor in the minutes he’s played, its only an average of 23 minutes per game so his goals per minute record is very impressive. Despite only playing a bit part at Monaco this season, he is having his best season their so let's hope the form stays with him and he can hit the ground running. All we need to do now is convince him to come…….

24 Jan 2018 22:32:50
thanks for the stats figo, great analysis
Let's hope (when/ if signs) he carries on that ratio.

25 Jan 2018 06:43:20
At least some one in! :) Really hope we can sign Promes as well. Quite sure Carillo's incoming means either Gabbiadini or Long will leave before the window shuts.

Carillo's stats are pretty impressive, have to admit. Hopefully he will fit nicely to PL. His aerial skills don't harm a bit!

But still, we would need number 10 player!

25 Jan 2018 08:57:39
The stats you've outlined Figo, seem a lot like Gabbiadini's stats when he first arrived. I'm not going to compare the two because they're 2 completely different footballers. But if he is what you say, he'll get into good goalscoring positions and beat players to the ball, he'll get goals.
If he follows how Lambert used to play, which was to peel round to the back post and attack the fullback, I'm sure he'll become a quality goalscorer for the club.

25 Jan 2018 12:29:28
I also think the signing of Carrilo signals that we won't probably be getting rid of MP anytime soon. Simple because they've worked together. It seems like a signing he wanted to make. I would imagine he's stated that he feels he needs a big striker and this guy would be perfect. The statement that he's costing 19.2m clearly shows that the club have a have faith in him.
What's everyone elses thoughts on this? I just think with the Silva rumours we're all just putting 2 and 2 together.

25 Jan 2018 14:33:27
If and still a big if we sign QP then definitely don’t think he is going anywhere.

25 Jan 2018 18:34:46
I’ve said before I don’t think MP is going anywhere. The board like him and RK said a couple of weeks ago the slate’s clean after the VVD saga spoiled the first half of the season. The board will keep him all season if they can. We have Brighton and West Brom coming up and a minimum of 4 points is required, preferably 6 so we have some points and confidence going into the Liverpool game. It’ll be an interesting couple of weeks as whilst we have Brighton and West Brom, the teams around us are either playing each other or up against top 8 opposition. If results do start to go in our favour, things may look much better in a few weeks time. If they don’t, perhaps the board may consider a managerial change with 10 games to go, but its hard to believe that someone new can come in, with a new coaching staff and pick the team up in the final 10 games. A number of the teams around us have harsher run ins than us so we may be crossing our fingers like the ‘good’ old days.

25 Jan 2018 20:08:25
Just say he doesn’t get the sack and we scrape through by the skin of our teeth and stay in the PL will it be thanks to MP. I will just ask you all how many of you really want him to be our manager next season? I may be wrong but I reckon about 75% don’t want him staying. We really shouldn’t be where we are so let’s not keep banging on about how we never replaced Pelle and Mane etc. CP was in the same situation last season and had the VVD disruption effecting him as well and we sacked him and finished 8th and a Cup Final as well. I am sorry guys I just don’t get any of this. We need to smell the coffee and get a manager in that can motivate what is in fact a group of talented players that are not playing to their true potential.

25 Jan 2018 20:17:35
First signing done and dusted. Welcome Guido Guido!

25 Jan 2018 20:51:44
I think more than 75% want him gone for sure! I think the board would like to make a decision on MP at the end of the season though, rather than get into the habit of midseason changes. We saw that with Puel last season, they gave him the full year, then took their time with the decision to sack him. Some people grumbled at that wait, and they had a point, but what I took away from it was that the board wasn't taking these decisions lightly. This makes me think MP will get the full season unless our league position gets so desperate that they start to really panic about us staying up.

All conjecture really, but this is the impression I get. Good to get Carillo in, Promes too and it's a pretty perfect window imo, even if we left it a bit late.

25 Jan 2018 22:43:11
No animosity here 123 honest but you posted that you didn’t want Carillo? I understand your point, it may work out but smacks a little about desperation to score goals and his CV is not impressive. I think we have players in our squad that can score goals. They unfortunately have been coached badly. I really hope Carillo does the business but he only will if we change our style of play to allow him to do so.

26 Jan 2018 07:34:36
I did post that I didn't really want him, he's here now though so no point crying over it. I thought he seemed a bit pricey, but he should still help and hopefully I was wrong about him.

21 Jan 2018 20:48:35
Heard from a good source that promes has been to a couple of games in the last few games one being against Huddersfield. Sparta are happy for him to leave but would like the 30 million price tag.

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22 Jan 2018 15:32:43
fingers crossed. I have to admit, I would like to see the board put their money in the pockets on this one, as he seems like the type of player that could give our attack a real shot in the arm for the second half of the season.

22 Jan 2018 16:07:00
He would be an incredible signing and could well double in value in a year or two if he impacts the way he could. Also good for the squad to see another quality international come in.

22 Jan 2018 17:58:57
8 days left and still nothing. If either it both Promes and Carillion ( lol) are coming in then they are going to the wire by the looks of it. Come on get a shift on!

22 Jan 2018 19:21:10
Would love to see Promes come in, class player. Carillo I’m not too excited about, not worth anywhere near the money Monaco are asking for and his goal scoring record is hardly incredible. Still think the board needs to be looking for another CB to help with squad depth now van Dijk has gone.

22 Jan 2018 20:01:46
We need a cb long term but I think we have bigger needs in Jan. Stephens, Yoshida and Hoedt are decent still. More important to get at least one attacker in.

22 Jan 2018 20:56:47
'bailey', I think Hoedt is/ was Van Dyke's long term replacement.
** Have just read Saints are trying to tie up a £50m double swoop for Quincy Promes and Guido Carrillo.
Not holding my breath, but could be the NEW Pelle and Mana combo?

22 Jan 2018 21:14:06
I seem to recall les quite categorically that he was not a replacement for VVD, soon after we signed him.

22 Jan 2018 21:17:59
Hoedt and Stephens starters with Maya as back up, one or two injuries and Bednarek is starting, from what I’ve seen of him so far that won’t be working very well in the Prem. Of course we need to address the situation up front however another CB is key in my opinion.

22 Jan 2018 21:39:54
Les probably said that at the time for other reasons, considering what was going on at the time! In Hindsight, In my opinion, He was a replacement!

23 Jan 2018 07:17:06
I'm not sure whether a new CB is needed. I think our main issue this season is that we've rotated the defence too much. It started off as Stephens and Yoshida. Then went to Hoedt and Yoshida and then we brought VVD back in. Now that he's gone I think we should just stick to the same 2 CBS. Stephens and Hoedt, and if we carry on with these defensive problems we find a new one in the summer.

23 Jan 2018 08:49:01
I have a horrible feeling nobody is coming in 😪 if they are why the wait get them in get them training and ready for Brighton Slimani to Monaco maybe the wait for Carillo but Promes will be down to us not offering the money.

23 Jan 2018 15:54:37
It is the wait to get Silva in beforeSaturday?

23 Jan 2018 16:05:42
Being sold down the river by Les, kat and Kruger and co,18th richest club in the world, yes the world according to reports today, sold Virgil for 75 million but still no signings, only at club to line there pockets,

23 Jan 2018 17:09:16
There is a caveat to us being 18th 'richest' club in the world on Deloitte's top 20 list because it focuses simply on revenue generated by the club which is massively inflated at the moment in the premier league due to the current tv deal and relates to last season rather then right now - we've been subject to a takeover. It does not give a true reflection, in our case and Everton's especially on spending power which is what matters when it comes to signings. Just because you get a lot of money in, doesn't mean you necessarily generate a huge profit that can be reinvested in the first team squad. Nor do we currently have the pulling power of a regular champions league qualifier. In other words, the list is pretty limited.

23 Jan 2018 17:39:03
We do appear in 18th place on Deloitte’s list of the top 20 richest clubs in the world, but I think the title is hugely misleading. Firstly, it only relates to each club’s standing at the end of last season and it only relates to revenue – i. e how much income the club received, not profit made or transfer funds available. Income was hugely inflated for all Premier League clubs last season due to the ridiculous TV rights deal, so unsurprisingly, there are 10 in this top 20 list. However, when you see Saints higher up the list then clubs like Napoli and Everton you begin to realise that the list isn’t really a true reflection of a club’s wealth. It doesn’t refer to actual profit, nor wealth of the club’s owners which seems to dramatically affect the club’s spending power in the transfer market. let's also not forget that Napoli, who are on course to challenge for, if not win Serie A, and offer Champions league football are going to have more pulling power than Saints. let's not go down the VVD route of expecting Liverpool to have paid us £75m in cash a few weeks ago to get their man. That isn’t how transfers work. We average 8,000 less fans per game than Everton and they charge slightly more than we do on average for a matchday ticket. They have a rather wealthy owner who is eager to splash the cash. We most certainly are not the 18th richest club in the world.

23 Jan 2018 19:14:47
really good posts figodasilva and a point well made.

23 Jan 2018 19:31:00
Saints should be reinforcing the squad, not long to go now before the window shuts, the club is stagnating, there is money in the bank, are the owners only in it to make money for themselves it sure seems that way.

23 Jan 2018 21:27:57
I honestly think they are waiting to recruit a new manager
I think they anticipated us losing Sunday and are now waiting for our next defeat to justify the decision
We will only know when he loses next.

24 Jan 2018 07:28:46
Mark 29 Figo wrote another very well reasoned and thought out post explaining the errors in your thinking, and you've just completely ignored every word of it! I find it frustrating to see, Figo must find it especially so after spending time doing that!

24 Jan 2018 12:11:06
Ok saints 123 so your happy with the club's situation at the moment, getting 75 million for van dyke, millions TV money, there's obvious weaknesses in the squad ie only 2 fit first team strikers and Redmond's complete lack of form, the truth is if reinforcements are not brought in and with this manager we will go down.

24 Jan 2018 12:57:26
Could I see these Bank statements that you have access to? And of course I'm not happy with the current situation - did I say anything whatsoever to suggest I am? or are you just saying that to avoid addressing the flaws in what you said?

It's been explained many times on this site by myself and others, but the VVD transfer is not as simple as us now having 75 million to go out and spend. The payments would be staggered, and from the sound of it they are quite spread out in the VVD deal and that is how we got such a huge overall amount out of them.

The truth is NOT that we will go down without signings, it is that we will go down unless we turn our form around. Signing players is one of many ways this can be done. A new manager is another one, as is simply changing approach or tweaking tactics. Anyway, all evidence suggests the board is looking to sign players, some of whom are quite high profile and expensive if the rumours are to be believed.

The frustrating part is when your initial complaint is broken down in such detail and discredited slightly, and you just remain steadfast in your views and completely ignore a very reasonable and patient post by Figo. You're entitled to continue thinking whatever you want, but if you want to do so publicly it might help to at least ackowledge all of the reasons he gave why you're mistaken.


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