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20 Jun 2019 10:30:09
I'm hearing rumours of Atletico Madrid and Inter Milan interested in Bertrand. Does anyone know the truth behind this?

Regarding, Inter Milan, does anyone know if they're interested in signing Cedric from us, following his loan. With Vanheusden coming the other way?


{Ed002's Note - Ryan Bertrand (LB) would be sat on the bench at Atletico which other options are not keen on - but it is possible. Would be sat on the bench at Inter as an Ansaldi replacement - seen as an option to Kolarov. Both seem unlikely and are the result of clubs listing out options rather than declaring an interest at this time. Cedic is of no interest to Inter.}

1.) 26 Jun 2019 14:34:43
Getting a bit frustrated with this che Adams situation what's the chances tieing up this deal ed?

{Ed002's Note - I have no way to quantify the chances. There is no race and Southampton would like the deal completed.}

2.) 27 Jun 2019 10:02:59
Thanks Ed, I know us Saints fans are impatient but it's because we have bought so badly in previous years! Che seems the player we want but I am hearing we have moved onto a Nigerian striker from Italy, +Do you know if this is true?


{Ed002's Note - Would you have a name and I will try and answer.}

3.) 27 Jun 2019 18:47:22
David okereke.

{Ed002's Note - Thanks - the notes say: David Okereke (S) Brugge have an offer on the table and are discussing details for the transfer of Okereke from Spezia Calcio as a Wesley Moraes replacement. Interest was shown by Crystal Palace but they stepped back as it was seen as unlikely he would be able to obtain a Work Permit unless they paid significantly over the odds for him.}

4.) 28 Jun 2019 10:24:02
Good info ed.
I'd much rather we get Adams in. hope it goes through. I'd like to keep a stronger english/ British contingent.

Ed do you have any details on maehle of genk? (Or gent. One of the two)

Saw you post on the Everton page that we had major interest. Are we close to making an offer or even in discussions with his club?

{Ed002's Note - It is as I explained. Southampton have spoken with Genk in January and again a while back.}

5.) 28 Jun 2019 12:25:03
Thanks. Hopefully some progress soon.



09 Dec 2018 00:34:01
It's actually difficult to decide who our best CBs are. It just seem like each player is prone to error.

That was a dreadful piece of football eariler from Vestergaard and that cost us a point and even perhaps 3 points. It's so disappointing. It just seems like every game someone makes a stupid error and that gives away a goal.

Do you think it doesn't help that are CB pairing seem to change every match? That's got to be the first time Vestergaard.


1.) 09 Dec 2018 12:15:36
RH definitely needs to get our CBs more confident. Well all of our players. First part of the game we were running around making chances and what not but boy did we get exposed countless times. Our players seem to be a little more fit but now just sloppy.

2.) 10 Dec 2018 23:21:04
Sorry SaintUS but I don't agree that we look fit at all. Most of the team are looking shattered after 65/ 70 minutes. Absolutely disgusting for professional sportsmen earning stupid amounts of money to not be fit enough to keep going for 90/ 95 minutes.

3.) 11 Dec 2018 18:46:16
The idea that Hassenhutl would have our players fitter after three days seems a little ridiculous, no?

4.) 14 Dec 2018 06:49:03
Hence "little more". Of course we aren't fit enough to keep running like that for 75+ minutes. All I'm eluding to is the players seemed to have more of an umph to them for the first half or so of the game.



25 Jul 2018 23:01:53
What's everyone's thoughts on the current transfer window for us for us? We haven't been very convincing in preseason.
It's an odd one, we've clearly now used up all of the VVD money, hence why MH has said to the press we won't get any new players until we sell them. If that's the case, how come we've let 3 players go out on loan. Do you think the board don't want to take the potential transfer loss?


1.) 26 Jul 2018 07:08:44
Personally, I don't read too much into preseason results.

We let players go on loan because its the smarter long-term move. Players with potential can go, and potentially excel and improve their transfer value, rather than selling people like Boufal and Carillo while their value is at an all-time low. Also, football finances just don't work as simply as fans like to make out. In getting these players off the wage bill, the board will see it as freeing up £X million. Transfer fees don't tend to be the most expensive part of a signing, and in accounting terms football clubs view them as being spread over the length of a player's contract. So when we sign a player for £10m, and £2 mil a year for 5 years, the club will view this as £4mil per year (this too is simplified of course) . By loaning Clasie, Boufal and Carillo, the board will have freed up, for argument's sake, £5mil in this years accounts which they have the option to invest. So it does still help our finances in the short term.

2.) 26 Jul 2018 08:51:32
Loans free up some wages (can only increase a certain amount each year due to FFP regs) whilst keeping the player on our books so if they have a great season they come back to us full of confidence or worth more if we sell on. If they have a terrible season it's no worse than them sitting on the bench/ not even making the squad.

3.) 26 Jul 2018 15:30:15
Seems like we've brought in replacements for players that have been loaned out apart from up the front where in my opinion was the place that needed most improvement. I don't think that we have enough firepower in front of goal.



10 Sep 2017 18:38:39
What's everyone's thoughts on the currentrain situation? We've scored 1 goal from open play this season (against a 10 man West ham) .
Where are we going wrong? Is it our strike force? Or attacking playears creating a lack of opportunities?
I don't think the 4-2-3-1 works at all. I think Gabs needs a strike partner. I'd like to see the 4-3-3 return. This is when we were at our best. Obviously we had Mane whose probably one of the best wingers in the wing. But stick Redmond on the right, Tadic on the left? Then rotate between Davis, Romeu, JWP and Lemina in Midfield depending on the oppointents.
Maybe some back room coaching staff changes after I've seen so much negativity towards Black which is justified since he was head coach of a Villa that were relegated.
Probably a new goalkeeper is needed. Forester isn't good enough.


1.) 11 Sep 2017 11:16:26
We are not Powerful enough in midfield, Romeu is the only player that can tackle, Prowse is a wast of time he gives us nothing, Tadic is scared, and weak, Redmond and Boufal are just not up to it. No shots on goal, no wonder the fans showed their frustration.
Look at the athleticism, height, power, plus skill that the Watford midfield had. As for playing one man up front, all this does is give opposition defenses a "easy day" Gabbaidini is quality but he has no way of showing this when he has to play as a lone striker. Play Austin with him alongside. Now you can see why Lambert and Pelle was good for us bringing others into the game. Sorry but we need to offload 3 players at least and get some grit and pace in midfield.
As for Foster I can't put into writing what I think of him
G S.

2.) 11 Sep 2017 13:05:51
I agree I think that Lemina will hopefully add some power. I'm hoping that Lemina will be the sort of player that will break up play and advance forward with the ball. Like a Dembele or Kante. I think Tadic is our most technically gifted player. However, we don't get any use out of him. He plays better on the wings. Which is why I think he should play on left and Redmond on the right. Redmond isn't good enough on the left. We need to use his pace, if we have him on the right we can start to see him making runs and putting the ball in the box from good positions. Because at the moment he wants to put everything on his right.
I 100% agree. I do feel for Puel last season as he may have played Austin and Gabs up front had Austin been fit. I don't see why Pellegrino is not doing the same. It really is a no brainer if your team is not scoring add some firepower. We have good depth in an average squad, as everyone is at the same ability. I like to think that all of the midfield could walk into all of the teams that finished below us. Ideally, we would want JWP sitting deep and pinging balls about. It's a shame we haven't loaned him out. A few seasons in the Championship would have down him a world of good when we first got promoted.
I'm hoping that maybe Harry Lewis could grow this season and play next year, that would be ideal.

3.) 11 Sep 2017 18:24:22
We didn't spend good money on Lemina for nothing!
It was quite obvious that we needed strength in midfield from virtually the first few minutes . how is it all us armchair amateurs can see that watford's midfield was fast, strong, versatile, agile . and what do we have Davis and Ward-Prowse being overrun? It does not matter what side of the pitch you put REdmond and Boufal, there is no end product and even if there is . there is no one to receive the ball . Gabbi touched the ball only 10 times in the whole game . ONCE in their area all game! gives detailed analysis of each game and can be broken down into player by player.

Might give us all an insight into what on earth is going on . some examples .
Passes inside Watford's box . 12 . yep 12 all game!
Tackles in side Waford's box . 0 . that's a big fat ZERO . their defence must have loved it!

Interceptions in Watfords box . ZERO!
Aerial duels in Watfords box . ZERO!
Dribbles in Watfords box . ZERO!

Loss of Possession all game . 30 times (15 of those Tadic, Boufal and REdmond) .
And to those that say Ward-Prowse adds nothing to the team . I didn't agree until i saw his stats!
Ward Prowse touches . 14! all game! of which TEN were passes! (Rom : 69, Davis 66, Suares 93 . etc)

tackles attempted . ZERO!
dribbles . ZERO!
Interceptions . ONE .
Clearances . ONE .
Blocks . ZERO . FOULS ZERO . Aerial Duels . ZERO!

4.) 11 Sep 2017 18:51:34
We just need to be patient. let's not forget we have a new manager and several new players to bed in. Its frustrating to see we have the same problems as last season but that is due to the lack of recruitment in attacking positions which was down to the club rather than MP. He has to coach the squad he has, the same as we have to support the team playing for us each week.

Our weakness is that we lack pace in attack, so end up playing in front of teams, failing to break with enough pace to get in behind or catch them out of position. We’re too easy to defend against at the moment. Teams know what we’re going to do before we do as we are one dimensional and nothing has moved on since last season at the moment.

The positive thing is that MP sees the problem and is shifting players around and dropping anyone who is not performing. Its logical that if the first team squad cannot perform well enough, someone in the reserves may so at some point, MP may start introducing fringe players into the match squad. let's not forget, Chelsea looked ropey at the start of last season until their new manager rolled the dice, changed formation and gambled on squad players like Victor Moses being able to do a job out of position. It paid off and MP may need to find a similar solution.

As fans, all we can do is support the team and MP and hope they find a way to turn things around. We’re only 4 games in so let's not write off the season just yet. We must understand MP will have to take risks with players and try different things. Rather than bemoan any failed experiments, we should celebrate having a head coach who is willing to shake things up to try to get us out of this rough patch.

Finally, we have to be realistic. let's not forget who we are and where we have come from. We are now a good premier league team and relegation is not on anyone’s minds at this early stage. If it is, you should feel free to book an appointment with your psychiatrist at the earliest available date. We have a model of developing young players, whose form and confidence can be up and down. Look at Pogba at utd last season for example. We can’t be too harsh on the likes of JWP and Redmond as they are still young. The same applies to Stephens, Lemina, Targett, Sims, even Hoedt etc. We must therefore accept that we will go through rough and smooth patches and our league position may be inconsistent. Short term loss for long term gain. If we can create a squad like Tottenham has, with youth and ability on its side, we could see the start of a long spell of success for the club. That’s what the club wants. That’s what we all want. It will be worth a few mediocre seasons is we can reach that goal.

5.) 11 Sep 2017 21:52:38
This has to been posted by one of the players' wives or even mums? we were AWFUL!
We can’t be too harsh on the likes of JWP and Redmond as they are still young. -- age has nothing to do with it! they are experienced pros who simply aren't producing! there was a time when JWP was considered England's next number 10! read his stats . absolutely awful. As for Redmond, shame his skill, goals, ability don't match his highly inflated ego!
The same applies to Stephens, Lemina, Targett, Sims, even Hoedt etc
All of those players have produced the goods! and most importantly have improved as players .
The football (and I use that term loosely) produced against Watford was atrocious. I am not sure I have ever watched a game where we had no shape, no style, no drive . it was almost impossible to read our game .

6.) 11 Sep 2017 22:27:00
VVD horror show tonight in U23s. Lost 4-0: he's well off the pace!

7.) 12 Sep 2017 11:43:21
Several players to bed in? Lemina didn't play due to the international game, Bednarek is considered one for the future, which just leaves Hoedt as one new player. This does not warrant a complete lack of ideas, when you consider Watford have more players to bed in than us.

Would love to be more positive but I have concerns, not so much with the points but performances.

8.) 12 Sep 2017 14:12:55
The point is Rich that your statistics based on one match do not actually shed a great deal of light on the problems our team is experiencing, they merely highlight the symptoms. Also, if you feel that 3 or4 of our starting players are not good enough, then what is the solution? You suggest none. We can’t buy anyone now. Who in the squad can come in to the first team and make such a radical difference? Lemina of course can return and looks a prospect on paper, (lets not pretend after one appearance for the first team we have it nailed on how good he is and what his strengths and weaknesses will be), but even he is a young player who will require a little time to adapt to the pace and power of our league in comparison to Serie A. Saying age has nothing to do with the performance and consistency of several of our players is either wilfully naïve or moronic.
My point about bedding in new players Gregg does not relate solely to the starting 11, especially not in relation to the one game against Watford. A team needs strength in depth to provide competition for places and for form players to come off the bench and make a difference in games where things aren’t quite working. With players like Bednarek, Hoedt and Lemina, Hojberg i. e the young players that our club is choosing to invest in rather than bringing in proven premier league performers, all will take time to find their feet with ups and downs in their performances. This will impact the first team whether they are on the pitch or competing for places.
Southampton Football Club has stated its aim is to invest in young players we can develop and bring in to the first team, rather than spending a lot of money on established players. Until those young players are on the pitch performing consistently, we continue to invest in the future of the first team rather than its present. That said, the club is not slow to invest and bring in established players to bolster the first team squad if the need is apparent. Gabbiadini is an example, coming in last January to great effect before his injury. So, if we continue to struggle in front of goal, hopefully we’ll see investment in January. Long gone are the days under the likes of Rupert Lowe where your squad at the start of the season, irrespective of the opening and shutting of transfer windows, would remain the same. Our club is now more pragmatic with its playing staff and the coaching staff if things aren’t working.
We’re 4 games in. We have a new head coach. The first team squad has not really been added to over the summer, especially in attack so we face similar problems to last season. That puts a lot of pressure on the new head coach to solve the problem going forward that Claude Puel could not. Why not wait and see how we’re doing after 10 games or on the run up to Christmas before writing off the team?

9.) 12 Sep 2017 19:18:24
In reply to figodasilva .

It is neither moronic nor naive to suggest age is not a factor. I agree totally that someone like Simms, they have very little experience in the Premiership . but JWP has made not far off 150 first team appearances, plus over 50 appearances for various levels of the England setup .
Nathan R has made over 200! first team appearances, plus 70 for various levels of the England set up!

As for my statistics not being representative . ok here are some stats for our first 4 games,
Total Dribbles 40, 2 in the opponents box
Tackles attempted 87 . ZERO in the opponents box
Interceptions 43 . ZERO in the opponents box
Blocks 44 . 1 in the opponents box
Fouls 41 . 3 in the opponents box
Aerial Duels 77 . 9 in the opponents box .

A combination of not getting the ball in the area enough and when it does enter their box, not exactly fighting for the ball!
while we have three Gaston R's in Redmond, Boufal and Tadic, we will have lots of fancy footwork with no end product! all ending before that telling pass to poor old Gabbi waiting patiently!

What we do about it mmmmmm well JWP isn't providing much, even Davis is not producing .

Cedric VVD Hoedt Bertrand/ Targett/ McQueen
Long Romeu Lemina Bertrand/ Targett/ McQueen
Gabbi Austin.

10.) 12 Sep 2017 21:08:03
Thanks for the response Rich.

I’m not going to bang the JWP drum much because I’m also not sure where he fits into our team – he’s not really an attacking midfielder, nor a defensive one. He would probably benefit from a 3/ 5/ 2 with Lemina and Romeu behind him to provide protection so he can patrol behind and interchange with a front two.

The problem I have with statistics is they are always open to interpretation. Yes, in the last 5 seasons, JWP has 148 appearances, but only 79 were starts and he hasn’t played the full 90 minutes of many (if any) of those games. If we say a young player learning the ropes requires a consistent run, these stats don’t tell us how many consecutive games he has played. I’m sure its not many considering he’s been around the first team for 5 seasons. His best appearance stats came last season and he provided 4 goals and 4 assists from 22 starts. Not bad for someone who is in and out of the team and utilised in several different positions when he does come in. Not only that but he’s 22. The onus is on the club to find a way to fit him into the team if they want to get the best out of him, rather than squeeze him into the starting line-up.

Like Redmond, yes they both have a good level of experience now, but age also relates to maturity and confidence levels and other related factors. If a player reaches his peak at about 27 or 28, both players have a lot of development ahead of them so is it fair we bin them now? It comes back to the argument of do you give our young players, our young English players, a chance to progress in their respective first teams, playing regularly in the premier league, or do you give up on them and drop them back to the under 23s?

Your other team stats in your first post all focused on action inside Watford’s box. As much as we would like the game to be played out in the opposition box, the majority of a match’s action takes place in the middle third of the pitch for the vast majority of teams in the vast majority of matches, so events inside the box, unless you’re playing an inept team, are going to be very limited. Also, with stats as detailed as this, I for one do not know what is average in a 90 minute game of football in the premier league, what is average in a match for a team that plays a similar system and style to us (when you are able to detect one), or even what is average for the teams that are likely to be around us in the league table. Whilst a zero stat isn’t great, how rare is it?

In any event, my point is the stats, even your new ones, don’t tell us the cause of the problem, they simply highlight the symptom, which is we are pretty blunt going forward. In my view, we struggle because we are playing in front of the opposition because we are slow in moving the ball forward and any chance of a quick break, unless a genuine one on one, is usually curtailed as the breaking player has to check his run to hold the ball up and await support. Its all very one dimensional and predictable with even the weakest teams in the prem not being stretched as we do not hit them at pace and catch them out of position.

I’m not sure I’m comfortable with a 4-4-2 as most teams set up with up to 5 midfielders and three attackers when in possession, so they could bypass a 4 man midfield. Plus, Shane Long I don’t see as a wide option as, while he has some pace, I’m not sure he has the end product required either. I like playing Gabbi and Austin together though. It has to be worth a try. So a 3-5-2 perhaps with Yoshi, Stephens and Hoedt/ Bertrand (if VVD doesn’t return to the team), Cedric and Bertrand/ McQueen as wing-backs Lemina, Romeu and JWP/ Hojberg/ Davis in the middle and Gabbi playing in and around Austin.

11.) 12 Sep 2017 22:09:33
It's great to have a 'conversation' with someone that writes sense .
Interestingly in your lineup, you omitted Boufal, Redmond and Tadic. I agree totally, I agree we don't hit opponents with pace. The initial passes forward are slowed down the minute one of those three get the ball. They then go through some song, dance, side shuffle, step over, beat the same player three times . and then try and pass . all too late as the opponents midfield and defence are all back and in position. Perhaps this is the reason for JWP's poor stats, he quite simply is not getting the ball and therefore can't control that number 10 position. To be fair, I was shocked at the stats for him . especially as the players around him had played the ball by a factor of 6 to 8 times more! .

My reason behind Shane Long was that of a similar role to Jay Rod played, out wide and cutting in (and becoming the third attacker) . It was more I was trying to think of a way to get the ball moving faster without the need for the Waltz, Tango and Side Steps .!

The three amigos remind me so much of Gaston Ramirez, a talented player who had great footwork, but so frustrating. With the modern day defender/ midfield being so agile and quick, a player that 'messes' around with the ball and then makes the pass, maybe 10 seconds after he should have, can end up being negative for the team.
GAbbi is an exceptional finisher and his positional play really does remind me of Shearer, Teddy S or Van Nistleroy . but while he takes up great positions, he never gets the ball.

A quality that we always had was great combination between the wing backs and midfield; this appeared almost non existent on Saturday.

It will be very interesting to see the formation/ team played Saturday. I have supported Saints for near on 50 years and played amateur football for near on 30 . and Saints on Saturday was quite possibly the most disjointed team I have ever seen.

12.) 13 Sep 2017 09:33:54
I also notice that we both failed to mention Forster . deliberately or subconsciously I am not sure!
I am not sure we can continue with this man.
His ability to save a shot on goal is rapidly diminishing from
sometimes to never .

13.) 13 Sep 2017 11:03:37
Thank you. I agree, that the best way to use a forum is to have a chat, clear the air and then hopefully, find a positive thread to look forward to Saturday rather than dread it.

I don’t see Redmond or Boufal as viable wing backs. Perhaps auxiliary forwards if we need to move a midfielder up to play off Austin? I still think this 3-5-2 lacks pace though. We’d rely heavily on the wing backs for pace. In an ideal world our attacking midfielder would also have pace too but if you look at a team like Leicester, they make do with pace in wide areas and a striker.

I don’t think Forster is the long term solution but he’s the best option from the current squad. I was disappointed the young keeper who came on loan last season didn’t get more of a chance. Forster doesn’t command his area which is odd given his size. The best example was Zlatan’s headed goal to beat us at Wembley last year. What was he, three yards away from our goal line? It was a floated cross too so Forster had time to get there. Distribution last season was frightening and barely reached the halfway line at times and he doesn’t get down quickly enough to save the low shots. I was concerned to see him dive to save Watford’s first attempt last week and he seemed to pull his hands away at the vital moment, as if he thought it was going wide.

So I’m not crazy. I do see the flaws, but I just think there’s no fixing some things at the moment and this is going to be another transitional season. Its cathartic to come on here and have a moan but at the same point, negativity can spread like wildfire and we end up jeering or booing our team which does little for their confidence this early on the season.

I hope performances can improve but it may be up and down like last year. We may see more from Hojberg now he’s more settled, Boufal may also improve and Lemina may be the new Schneiderlin. Fingers crossed. I also hope the new owners will make funds available next summer. I think the eds highlighted ffp rules may mean less spending this year, but given PSG have been able to do what they have with limited scrutiny, apparently ffp is now worthless.

On to managerless Palace. Its got draw written all over it with two teams struggling to score and low on confidence, but if we can get a lucky break, or if MP hits on a solution to our attacking issue, tactically or through personnel, maybe we can secure another three points. COYR.

14.) 13 Sep 2017 15:42:51
I thought I would check on Gaston Ramirez to see where he is . off to Serie A .
It has been interesting (and enjoyable) to watch teams like Stoke and Watford this season. The days of big strong, slow and not too skillful players seems over. I actually loved watching the way Watford played. Their attacks were exciting and fast. There was very little messing around on the ball, quite simply fast passes to space and players on the run .
I mention Gaston because maybe the days of players like Boufal and Tadic in the PL are gone. With agile and quick defenders plus sharp midfields, the ball needs to be played quickly and accurately.
There are some very clever, highly skillful players around . I love to watch Jaun Matta, Fernandinho, Aguero . Willian . Hazard . but they all move the ball quickly and also move quickly into space .
Anyway, back to Saints .
Two up front . and most importantly GET THE BALL TO THEM :-)

15.) 14 Sep 2017 15:23:27
Come back Guly. all is forgiven :-)



16 Aug 2017 11:34:28
Looking at current rumours the Chelsea want in for Cedric a deal worth 15m. Do you know if there is any truth behind this Eds?


{Ed002's Note - He has been discussed on a number of occasions but I am not aware of an offer at this time.}

1.) 16 Aug 2017 13:17:17
Even if he goes surley not for 15m.

2.) 16 Aug 2017 16:17:56
Think Cedric is worth at least 25 million and even then I don't think saints will sell.

3.) 16 Aug 2017 16:27:44
Eds the Liverpool fans saying VVD could still get done and that Saints might be waiting to see if Lpool qualify for CL and if they do they wouldn't stand in his way. This sounds ridiculous to me and deluded. Do you think there is any truth in this at all? Sorry to ask but they all seem to think so!

{Ed002's Note - All sorts of things can happen.}

4.) 16 Aug 2017 19:56:26
Thanks as ever Ed. Just seen Kruegers statement so Saints holding firm! Good on them.

5.) 17 Aug 2017 09:48:12
Ignore the Liverpool fan sites. They're just desires, not news. If you believe them they've signed him 57 times.

6.) 17 Aug 2017 11:16:45
Thanks Wandering Saint. They really wind me up!




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08 Jul 2019 11:27:59
Interestingly Saints website have just posted the 25 man squad that they're taking to Austria and missing a few names:

- Austin
- McQueen
- Armstrong
- Lemina
- Reed
- Hesketh
- Clasie
- Carrillo

Boufal also isn't on the list, but he's at AFCON so that would be why. Are we looking to offload all of these players?

Also, what's the gossip with Elyounoussi are we looking to keep him and see how it works out for his second season?

Notably there are a few academy lads who have been called up, so congrats to them.


{Ed001's Note - were any of them at the U21s tournament? If so they won't be going because they will be on their holidays.}

1.) 08 Jul 2019 11:56:36
Thanks for the response ED! I don't think the youngsters (Hesketh, McQueen, Reed) qualify for the under 21's anymore. I think Reed could still be suffering an injury from last season - I think we cut his loan short so he could recover at Staplewood. Gunn was playing for the U21's though and he's made the squad.

I would imagine we'll be getting rid of these lads. Spent the last few seasons out on loan, haven't cemented themselves into the first team. Waste of wages and isn't good for them to be playing for the reserves, as it just halts overall development of the squad.

{Ed001's Note - ah ok just a thought.}

2.) 08 Jul 2019 12:58:56
Armstrong has food poisoning
McQueen is still probably recovering from doing his ACL
Reed my possibly be still recovering from an ankle injury as saintJay said. but could still be sold. As for the rest the club are actively looking to get rid so better that they don't travel and have a better chance of finding another club.

3.) 09 Jul 2019 01:30:41
Sam M is most definitely still recovering and will be for at least six months.

4.) 09 Jul 2019 08:39:59
Thanks guys, knew Reed had suffered an injury on loan, didn't realise McQueen had as well.



13 May 2019 09:07:57
A disappointing end to a bittersweet season. We seemed to be doomed in November but credit where it's due, Ralph has turned the club and players around. We seems to have slightly
declined since securing our place in the Premier League next season. There's still a lot of work to do.
I'd like to see the board really financially back Hasenhüttl, give him 80-100m to sign 4/ 5 really good players. Get rid of all the deadweight, we want to be signing that are better than we have that can really take the club forward and increase our chances of finishing in a Europe League spot. Because, if the club wants to progress in the league than they will need the financial backing, we've wasted the VVD money with some sub par signings.

I would say sell these players.

- Forester and McCarthy, both aren't good. I would like to see us sell both of them and buy a better Goalkeeper and have Gunn as number 2

- Cedric, Hoedt, Stephens. Get rid of all of these defenders and sign a new rightback and centreback. I think the Vestergaard and Bednerak are both good enough to be our pairing next season, but if we think that we can
someone better in that we should do so.

- Austin, Elyounoussi, McQueen, Gallagher, Clasie should also be sold. I also don't think that we should sign Danny Ings on a permanent, he's had an okay season, but hasn't been able to become a consistent scorer because of his injuries.

I'd like to see Boufal and Carrillo play next season but we'll see what Ralph makes of them in preseason.


1.) 13 May 2019 10:55:18
Danny Ings has to be signed and paid for. It was the deal with Liverpool that we buy him at the end of the year long loan.

2.) 13 May 2019 12:10:03
Amazing how many fans still don't realise that we are OBLIGATED to sign Danny ings. He is essentially a Southampton player. Not just a one season loan signing.

Having Gunn as a number 2 is also a pretty terrible shout. He's a good keeper, did very well at Norwich. we didn't spend 13 million on him just to be a number 2 keeper. He also didn't leave man city and sign for us just to be a number 2 either.
He will be our number 1 for hopefully a good couple of years.
I imagine one of either forster or McCarthy will go and the other will provide back up. or we will sell both and buy an experienced keeper as back up.
I agree with most of the rest of your post, Jay. I'd also like to see if boufal can adhere to Ralph's methods (not actually confident he will though) but I don't see what carrillo has done either with us or on loan this year to warrant being selected. he doesn't even seem to fit Ralph's idea of what he wants in a striker. If you want to keep him we may as well keep Gallagher, there about the sake level in terms of ability.

3.) 13 May 2019 18:35:40
I agree Milky. I'd love to see Boufal come back with the right attitude because he's obviously a very good footballer. As for Carrillo, I just don't think he has what it takes. We need a striker who can net 15 or more goals a season and I'm sure he's not up to that standard. I think that Gunn could be our no.1 for several years, just need an upgrade in the defence in front of him.



11 Mar 2019 13:46:32
Been doing some comparison for a fan favourite to assess how good this man actually is. Bednarek has been one of our best players under RH and the stats behind his success do not lie. This kid offers so much to us. I've compared his defensive stats to some of the "best defenders" in the league and he out and out beats most of these players in numbers.

Played: 17
Blocks: 23
Interceptions: 43
Tackles: 33
Tackles won: 20
Clearances: 114
Header Clearances: 53
Aerial battles won: 53
Errors leading to goal: 0

Played: 30
Blocks: 16
Interceptions: 33
Tackles: 30
Tackles won: 22
Clearances: 163
Headed Clearance: 88
Aerial Battles Won: 141
Errors leading to goal: 0

Played: 27
Blocks: 7
Interceptions: 30
Tackles: 30
Tackles won: 13
Clearances: 69
Headed Clearance: 47
Aerial Battles Won: 58
Errors leading to goal: 0

Played: 27
Blocks: 7
Interceptions: 30
Tackles: 30
Tackles won: 13
Clearances: 69
Headed Clearance: 47
Aerial Battles Won: 58
Errors leading to goal: 0

Played: 17
Blocks: 8
Interceptions: 29
Tackles: 28
Tackles won: 19
Clearances: 61
Headed Clearance: 29
Aerial Battles Won: 33
Errors leading to goal: 0

Played: 28
Blocks: 6
Interceptions: 27
Tackles: 33
Tackles won: 15
Clearances: 81
Headed Clearance: 49
Aerial Battles Won: 75
Errors leading to goal: 0

You could argue that these players play for better clubs and have less work to do. But I still think that these stats prove how good he's been for us.


1.) 11 Mar 2019 23:35:42
RH has certainly brought the best out of him but I think that's true of all our players. His man management skills are second to none. I'm sure if Hughes was still in charge we would be fighting Huddersfield for bottom place.



04 Mar 2019 09:15:51
Another disappointing result at the weekend. A good performance but again we didn't get anything from the game. Trying to put my finger on the problem, again we conceded late, but again another problem is that we never respond well once we have conceded 1. More often then not this season we've conceded 2 goals in the space of 10 minutes.

Looking at our results this season here are times we've failed to not bounce back well after conceded.

Man U 3 - 2 (Scored 53, 59)
Derby 2 -2 (Scored 76, 82)
Derby 2 -2 (Scored 58, 61)
Man City 3 -1 (Scored 45, 45+3)
West Ham 2-1 (Scored 53, 59)
Spurs 3-1 (51, 55)
Man U 2 -2 (Scored 33, 39)

This seems to be another issue along with conceded goals late on. What do you think it is? Do you think we concede and then try to push too hard to score another and then get caught out? Do you think our defence switches off too often?

90 minutes is more than enough time to concede 2 goals, but when the change in matches happens so fast for us there is definitely a problem.

Another stat that I saw from the weekend is that we've scored the 3rd most goals from outside the box (10), Man City and Spurs have scored more. Only thing is that Spurs have scored 56 goals and Man City have scored 76, where was we've only scored 32. Are we relying too much from a moment of quality to carry us through to get a result and not creating enough chances in the area?


1.) 04 Mar 2019 21:43:36
I've also noticed that saintjay. Heads drop after conceding a goal and we lose our shape. Having said that, we were unlucky against Man U as we could have had ( according to Clattenburg should have had) two penalties which would have made a massive difference. I do believe that our defence tend to switch off occasionally which at premier league level you can't afford to do. As for creating chances in the box I've noticed that when we have someone creative in midfield nobody seems to be making themselves available in the box .

It's not worth putting the ball into the box when there's nobody to get on the end of it. I still think that if we have manage to stay up we need to bring in a quality Pelle type player who can get on the end of crosses and hold the ball up for midfielders to run on to although RH doesn't seem to favour that type of player. Must say that if we played every week like we did on Saturday I think we would be close to top 7/ 8 rather than fighting to stay out of the bottom 3.

2.) 05 Mar 2019 09:51:02
I agree that we were unlucky against United and should have had the two penalties, maybe not the second and Berty goes down very easily but definitely the first one. That being said, we score it and then we take the lead earlier and perhaps Varley doesn't score his goal and the game takes on a whole different perspective. We play better against the teams that want the ball so that we can press them high and turn over the ball. I think this is why we weren't able to get results against CP, Burnley and Cardiff is because they were just able to sit back and let us try and break them down, something we haven't been able to do and don't really have the quality for. Aside from talent, this is what makes Man City the best team in the country, they can press well and break for the press, they can pass against teams pressing against them and they can maintain possession and break teams down that way. Something that we do not do. I think RH will learn this though and we should be well equipped next term (if we stay up) to handle it.

I think RH doesn't currently have the squad he wants. He's currently playing a 5-3-2 because he doesn't think our defence is ready to switch to 4 a back situation. I think that perhaps in Yoshida and Bednarek could play just the two of them, but ideally, I'd like to sign a new CB to partner Bednarek.
He's always played with a 4-2-2-2, I think that PEH and Romeu/ Lemina will be the two holding midfielders. He said in an interview that he wants to shape the team around PEH. Then the 2 attacking midfielders will be JWP and Armstrong, maybe Hesketh or Slattery will be bought in on a rotation basis or we will sign someone new to play this position. But JWP has cemented his position in the squad and has become a vital player for us. He can really become a Lampard sort of player and contribute to a lot of goals in an attacking position.
Then I see Redmond playing up front with a new striker. I don't think any of our current strikers are good enough to play in the Premier League, they simply don't score enough or bring anything to the squad.



25 Jan 2019 09:05:51
I've just read that RH wants to seriously trim the squad, he wants a squad of 18-20 apposed to our current 25 man squad, with youth players coming in when he needs them and I can't blame him, the fans cry out for more signings. However, we used the VVD money to sign like 4 players, none of which have really worked out. Listing our squad below, I've outlined the players that I think are safe and not safe. Let me know what you think:

GK - Forster - Not Safe
GK - McCarthy - Not Safe
GK - Gunn - Safe
RB- Cedric - Not Safe
RB - Valery - Not Safe
CB - Yoshida - Not Safe
CB - Vestergaard - Safe
CB - Stephens - Not Safe
CB - Bednarak - Safe
CB - Jones - Safe
LB - Targett - Safe
LB - Bertrand - Not Safe
LB - McQueen - Not Safe
CM - Romeu - Safe
CM - JWP - Safe
CM - Hojbjerg - Safe
CM - Lemina - Not safe
CM - Armstrong - Safe
CM - Hesketh - Safe
Wing - Redmond - Safe
Wing - Elyounoussi - Not Safe
Wing - Sims - Not safe
FW - Long - Not safe
FW - Ings - Safe
FW - Austin - Not safe
FW - Gallagher - Not safe

It's very pessimistic to look at our squad and think that none of them might not be good enough for what RH wants. Although, this is all based on my own opinion. And obviously we won't get rid of everyone that is not safe, but if offers come in for this players, I can't see us busting a gut to hold onto them.


1.) 25 Jan 2019 10:23:53
If Reed and Carrillo were the only loanees to come back, and considering Ralph will want to make probably four major signings in the next year, I can see the following;

Forster (£6m), McCarthy (£9m), Cedric (£17m), Yoshida (£4m), Bertrand (£12m), Lemina (£30m), ElYounoussi (£8m), Austin (£5m), Long (£5m) . Add in to that Boufal, Davis, Clasie and Hoedt - although Clasie may be an interesting one - and there’s about £120m. They won’t all happen but wouldn’t that be nice.

Then by my count that leaves us with 13/ 14 senior players and multiple higher capable youth players who will excel under Ralph.

With that money and free wage bill space, I would then like us to sign;

A keeper - young, hungry - to challenge Gunn, for about £12m.
A CB - maybe a cheeky German Ralph knows for £20m.
A versatile full back - Maehle seems appropriate for now (£6m) .
An attacking wide player - we’ve been interested in Sisto for a long while however maybe someone else will be more realistic. Either way that will cost us near a club record fee ~£20m.
A goal scorer to support Carrillo, Ings - those that spring to mind feel unrealistic so I will leave that up to discussion. Again probably £20m.
That’s a spend of around £80m plus refilling our wage bill with probably a bit to spare, so around £40m in profit.

These may seem unrealistic with such a high turnover of players but if that’s what Ralph wants them make it happen - there’s a squad of 18-20 with youth players to fill in the gaps. One can dream.

2.) 25 Jan 2019 11:34:50
I'd agree with all of those transfer fees. I wouldn't want to sell both GK's.

I don't know who we would bring in to do what RH wants. For a striker, I'd want someone with Shane Longs energy for the pressing, with a good finished. RH has rated Obafemi really higher and wants to approve him, in the fans forum last week he said at the moment he can only perform 2/ 3 high-intensity sprints a game to press but he wants 20 sprints per game out of him.

We'll see what RH actually wants from the squad, I don't think 5-3-2 is the formation he wants to play but is the formation he has to play because our defence isn't good enough.

I'd hope that Boufal shows the right attitude for RH, he's a bit older now, so could come on a bit as Redmond has. In his two seasons for us at times he has graced us with absolute raw talent and I'd want to see more of that. I love the showboating part of his game, but it rarely works, he just needs the right coaching and he could become a quality player.

A potential starting 11 next season

GK - Gunn
RB - Valery/ New signing
CB - Bednerak/ Stephens
CB - Vestergaard/ New signing
LB - Targett
CM - Romeu
CM - JWP/ Armstrong
LW - Boufal/ New signing
ST - Ings/ Carrillo/ Obafemi
RW - Redmond.

3.) 25 Jan 2019 15:27:53
I can see him reverting to a back 4 with potentially his favoured 4-2-2-2 when he gets the players he wants. I like the current set up but I’ve never really seen saints as a back five kind of side.

I’d hope for similar;
GK Gunn
RB Maehle (or whoever is signed to replace Cedric)
CB Vestergaard
CB Bednarek
LB Targett (provided we sell Bertrand)
CM Hojbjerg
CM Romeu
RM Redmond
LM Boufal
ST Ings
ST Carrillo

That gives us competition in most places with a strong strong bench - McCarthy at GK, we maybe need to sign another full back for competition if Bertrand goes, a CB to challenge those we have, then JWP, Armstrong, Reed, Sims in the midfield and wide positions, plus Obafemi and hopefully another forward up front.

In a dream world I’d play JWP Armstrong and Redmond as AMs but I’m not sure 4-2-3-1 would suit us or Ralph - think we need a couple of attacking wingers to play off the striker so one of those three at least will have to miss out.

4.) 25 Jan 2019 15:39:54
I think having a squad of only 18 is a stupid risk. 20, maybe. but it doesn't sound as though he's accounting for cup competition.

I agree that some more need to go, especially considering who we have out on loan deals with no guarantee of them being sold permanently.

I for me, 1 of forster/ McCarthy should go leaving the other to compete or back up for gunn.

Bertrand might go if a suitable offer comes In but I think he's missed the boat on that really. At least one centre half in with yoshida possibly going, although he is an ok back up.

Our midfield is good, but if someone offered big money for lemina I'd take it. I don't think he is as good people think he is. Certainly looks less interested in the games against lesser teams. So if he goes for 30-40 mill we could get some creativity in the middle. I would love it if RH could coach boufal into being a really good player. Would boufal jump on that train though? .

I think carillos saints career is over I'm afraid. Can't see him coming back. I think long will stick about. RH likes his work rate. Does Gallagher have it in him to challenge? If not, sell and replace. Austin will go and of the season, so we need a new striker to compete with ings, obafemi and long.

We need a left footed winger! With pace. Someone who offers different from cutting back inside every single time.

Would like to see hesketh come through. Not sure if sims has enough about him.

Harry reed. Make or break. Either at rb/ rwb or cm. Will he be given the opportunity and will he finally take it?

5.) 25 Jan 2019 17:01:54
Left footed winger with pace? Is his name by any chance Josh Sims?

6.) 25 Jan 2019 17:54:31
I think he likes Shane, and so do I very hard worker. Also keep Sims.

7.) 25 Jan 2019 18:32:07
Sims is right footed isn't he? .

8.) 25 Jan 2019 23:34:15
I think he's predominantly left footed but able to play on either wing which could keep him in RHs thoughts.




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03 Sep 2019 08:46:55
I hope all of these loans (with an option to buy) turn into actual sales. It's a joke, we've got £80m worth of players out on loan. The recruitment the past few seasons has been poor. Apart from FF, the other 3 players have barely served the club. Carillo has played like 5 games for us and we've loaned him out on the final year of his contract.

Oh well, onwards and upwards. Ralph's got rid of all the dead weight around the camp, watching the game against United on Saturday we were superb on the press, we'll be a hard team to play against this season.




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06 Aug 2019 09:23:46
Maybe we'll loan in a centre half with the option to buy? Or maybe we'll take the risk and sign one regardless of the players we want out leaving. I reckon we'll already have the player we want to be lined up as it's literally only the case of getting rid of our unwanted stock before we bring someone in, this wouldn't be a signing just for the sake of signing someone.




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22 Jul 2019 14:05:35
I know I was probably being a bit too optimistic earlier - we've shot ourselves in the foot with our players on their massive salaries. Most first-team players earn over 50k a week and they're simply awful and bring nothing to the club, annoyingly we can't get rid of them to lower clubs because they don't want to take the hit.

I only say this for Hoedt because I've read the rumour that his agent has met with AC Milan about the possibilities for a deal of 10m. But yeah those amounts were just pulled out of the sky and bear no relevance to anything in reality.

I don't think we'll be able to flog our GK's, maybe McCarthy but I can't see FF leaving this summer. I think we'll sell Lemina, Boufal, Austin and Clasie, don't think the others will go though.




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22 Jul 2019 11:17:25
So far this season we've spent the following:

Ings - 18m
Adams - 15m
Djenepo - 15m

And we've made the following from sales
Targett - 11m
Gallagher - 5m
Gabbiadini - 10m (money's been spent)

I would imagine that Ings money was already forecast so that wouldn't come out of the pot of transfers this season. Cutting out the deadwood is going to be hard, but he's what we have and what we could end up making.

Austin - 5-8m
Lemina - 20-25m
Stephens - 5-8m
Hoedt - 8-10m
Boufal - 8-10m
McCarthy - 5-8m
Forster - 5-8m
Clasie - 3m
Carrillo - 8-10m
Cedric - 8-10m

So by cutting out these players we could make 100m (I don't think we'll be able to sell half of these) - RH has said he only wants to spend 15m on players, anyone that comes in will be young and cheap. We're building a squad for tomorrow and not for today. I would imagine we already have the players we want in the pipeline, we're just waiting for sufficient funds to do so.




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18 Jul 2019 09:03:05
I don't think there's any correlation between injuries and players wanting to leave. Looking at the list of player provided they've all left for different reasons or will be leaving.

VVD - Wanted his move to Liverpool, forced his way out of the club. Did have a big injury before leaving, think that was just a coincidence.

Austin - Simply not good enough for the future plans of the club, therefore we're looking to offload. Maybe his injury problems have caused him not to get to the level he could be at.

Boufal - Fell out with MH, then loaned away, he had an injury when he first joined but has never established himself in the first team due to a lack of consistency.

Clasie - Was never good enough, he's been loaned out for the past two seasons and he's struggled to get into the first team of those loanie clubs.

Lemina - His injury has had an impact, he's was out when RH arrived, therefore feels like he's been cut out of his main position. But obviously doesn't have the drive to force his self back into the team.

Gabiaddini - I feel like he's actually left on very good terms. He never really had any injuries, I feel like the managerial appointments during his time at the club meant that he was in and out of the first team. Again like Boufal struggled with inconsistency and goal droughts.

Obviously, we don't know what goes on in the backroom. But it must be pretty disheartening to basically hear that you're not good enough and we don't want you at the club. Especially considering Austin is a decent striker with lots of experience and Lemina has played for some of the biggest clubs in Europe. I've said it before, we have a big team with lots of players at the same ability, we have 5 CB's, 5 CM's, 5 wingers and 5 strikers that should be fighting for their place in the starting 11.

I think it's a good sign though, that we're looking to offload more deadweight than before. I'm looking forward to the new season and hoping we can progress and RH can create a really good starting 11 that can beat anyone on their day.





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21 Sep 2019 07:21:34
I think the result doesn't reflect well on the performance. Bournemouth were clinical. At the same time they looked dangerous in the first half getting in between Danso and Bednarak on the right side. First goal was from a corner, we zonally marked allowing Ake to attack the ball. For the second goal no one tracked Solanke or Wilson. Third goal was just embarrassing.

My main frustration was the amount of times we were just shooting on sight. Everytime Redmond, Boufal or JWP had the ball outside the box they were just shooting and not opting to work the ball into the box. We had 25 attempts but how many were from inside the box from an opportunity that we had worked?

I would say our second half performance warranted a draw. I think everyone had a good game. Romeu has been superb this season, Boufal and Cedric were 2 players we had out on loan last season were probably 2 of the best players yesterday.




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03 Sep 2019 17:18:05
I seriously don't think we'll be getting rid of Shane Long, he has a year left on his contract. He's the exact player that RH wants to work with. I think he knows his place in the squad, a pair of fresh legs we can look to when we're up in a game that will chase down the ball and apply pressure.
Maybe we'll be able to loan out Stephens and McQueen in Jan. Can't see people wanting to buy them. Again though Stephens is good as a backup option.
I think it's the squad RH wanted, a good mix of youth and experience. I think we might also see a few academy players make the jump from the reserves to the first team: Will Smallbone, Jake Vokins, Dan N'Lundulu.

I can't see us wanting to spend any more money in Jan, we'll work with what we have and promote any academy players if they're good enough or if enough injuries occur.




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11 Aug 2019 12:27:38
I feel like Ralph needs to bite the bullet and play a 4-2-2. His style of play didn't really suit us yesterday. Our defence is too high as we're trying to press so the ball over the top will beat us all day long. We're exposed in midfield.
He talks about our defence not being able to defend one on one, but how often will we be exposed like this.

It's only a minor setback, but a 3-0 loss to a team we should be matching in the league is very disappointing.




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17 Jul 2019 10:14:01
Unfortunately, this is the issue we're faced with. We've bought in these players and given them very good wages. Players like Carillo, Hoedt and Austin aren't good enough for the Premier League, so they'll have to take a massive pay cut to move elsewhere. Why would they? If they know they're not going to be playing football, they can just be half-arsed and get paid their money. This is one of the problems with modern-day football, the players have all of the say because you can bet if Austin was our best player and the top teams were in for him, he'd try to force a transfer out.

Surely, clubs should look to do something to stop this from happening, like a pay to play wage. If players play then they earn the big money if they don't have the right attitude then pay them a lower wage.

I do feel like the only rash transfer we've made over the past few seasons is Carillo, I just think that the rest haven't worked out as well.




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09 Jul 2019 12:18:51
It'll be an interesting year this year after last season. I feel it'll be the shame at the top with no one able to touch City or Liverpool. Spurs will the closest outside, they still haven't sold any first team players and I haven't heard any rumours of anyone departing recently. As you've both said United and Chelsea don't seem to have that stability anymore. With them both giving loyal ex-players a chance who don't have great managerial records at the top level, I can't see them having great seasons. Arsenal have Emery serving a second term. However, they'll need to sign a few players to reach the level of the top 3.

Leicester and Wolves seem the most well-equipped sides to break into the top 6 and maybe even 4. It'll be interesting if both these clubs don't suffer from what we suffered when we were up there and keep their best players, you look at Maddison and Tielemans for Leicester another good season and I'd expect the big clubs chasing them. Similar stuff with Neves at Wolves.

What are your predictions for us this term? It seems like Ralph is trying to build a young sustainable squad. I think as long as he sorts out our defence we can expert a very good season.