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10 Sep 2017 18:38:39
What's everyone's thoughts on the currentrain situation? We've scored 1 goal from open play this season (against a 10 man West ham) .
Where are we going wrong? Is it our strike force? Or attacking playears creating a lack of opportunities?
I don't think the 4-2-3-1 works at all. I think Gabs needs a strike partner. I'd like to see the 4-3-3 return. This is when we were at our best. Obviously we had Mane whose probably one of the best wingers in the wing. But stick Redmond on the right, Tadic on the left? Then rotate between Davis, Romeu, JWP and Lemina in Midfield depending on the oppointents.
Maybe some back room coaching staff changes after I've seen so much negativity towards Black which is justified since he was head coach of a Villa that were relegated.
Probably a new goalkeeper is needed. Forester isn't good enough.

saintjay

1.) 11 Sep 2017 11:16:26
We are not Powerful enough in midfield, Romeu is the only player that can tackle, Prowse is a wast of time he gives us nothing, Tadic is scared, and weak, Redmond and Boufal are just not up to it. No shots on goal, no wonder the fans showed their frustration.
Look at the athleticism, height, power, plus skill that the Watford midfield had. As for playing one man up front, all this does is give opposition defenses a "easy day" Gabbaidini is quality but he has no way of showing this when he has to play as a lone striker. Play Austin with him alongside. Now you can see why Lambert and Pelle was good for us bringing others into the game. Sorry but we need to offload 3 players at least and get some grit and pace in midfield.
As for Foster I can't put into writing what I think of him
G S.


2.) 11 Sep 2017 13:05:51
I agree I think that Lemina will hopefully add some power. I'm hoping that Lemina will be the sort of player that will break up play and advance forward with the ball. Like a Dembele or Kante. I think Tadic is our most technically gifted player. However, we don't get any use out of him. He plays better on the wings. Which is why I think he should play on left and Redmond on the right. Redmond isn't good enough on the left. We need to use his pace, if we have him on the right we can start to see him making runs and putting the ball in the box from good positions. Because at the moment he wants to put everything on his right.
I 100% agree. I do feel for Puel last season as he may have played Austin and Gabs up front had Austin been fit. I don't see why Pellegrino is not doing the same. It really is a no brainer if your team is not scoring add some firepower. We have good depth in an average squad, as everyone is at the same ability. I like to think that all of the midfield could walk into all of the teams that finished below us. Ideally, we would want JWP sitting deep and pinging balls about. It's a shame we haven't loaned him out. A few seasons in the Championship would have down him a world of good when we first got promoted.
I'm hoping that maybe Harry Lewis could grow this season and play next year, that would be ideal.


3.) 11 Sep 2017 18:24:22
We didn't spend good money on Lemina for nothing!
It was quite obvious that we needed strength in midfield from virtually the first few minutes . how is it all us armchair amateurs can see that watford's midfield was fast, strong, versatile, agile . and what do we have Davis and Ward-Prowse being overrun? It does not matter what side of the pitch you put REdmond and Boufal, there is no end product and even if there is . there is no one to receive the ball . Gabbi touched the ball only 10 times in the whole game . ONCE in their area all game!

whoscored.com gives detailed analysis of each game and can be broken down into player by player.

Might give us all an insight into what on earth is going on . some examples .
Passes inside Watford's box . 12 . yep 12 all game!
Tackles in side Waford's box . 0 . that's a big fat ZERO . their defence must have loved it!

Interceptions in Watfords box . ZERO!
Aerial duels in Watfords box . ZERO!
Dribbles in Watfords box . ZERO!

Loss of Possession all game . 30 times (15 of those Tadic, Boufal and REdmond) .
And to those that say Ward-Prowse adds nothing to the team . I didn't agree until i saw his stats!
Ward Prowse touches . 14! all game! of which TEN were passes! (Rom : 69, Davis 66, Suares 93 . etc)

tackles attempted . ZERO!
dribbles . ZERO!
Interceptions . ONE .
Clearances . ONE .
Blocks . ZERO . FOULS ZERO . Aerial Duels . ZERO!


4.) 11 Sep 2017 18:51:34
We just need to be patient. let's not forget we have a new manager and several new players to bed in. Its frustrating to see we have the same problems as last season but that is due to the lack of recruitment in attacking positions which was down to the club rather than MP. He has to coach the squad he has, the same as we have to support the team playing for us each week.

Our weakness is that we lack pace in attack, so end up playing in front of teams, failing to break with enough pace to get in behind or catch them out of position. We’re too easy to defend against at the moment. Teams know what we’re going to do before we do as we are one dimensional and nothing has moved on since last season at the moment.

The positive thing is that MP sees the problem and is shifting players around and dropping anyone who is not performing. Its logical that if the first team squad cannot perform well enough, someone in the reserves may so at some point, MP may start introducing fringe players into the match squad. let's not forget, Chelsea looked ropey at the start of last season until their new manager rolled the dice, changed formation and gambled on squad players like Victor Moses being able to do a job out of position. It paid off and MP may need to find a similar solution.

As fans, all we can do is support the team and MP and hope they find a way to turn things around. We’re only 4 games in so let's not write off the season just yet. We must understand MP will have to take risks with players and try different things. Rather than bemoan any failed experiments, we should celebrate having a head coach who is willing to shake things up to try to get us out of this rough patch.

Finally, we have to be realistic. let's not forget who we are and where we have come from. We are now a good premier league team and relegation is not on anyone’s minds at this early stage. If it is, you should feel free to book an appointment with your psychiatrist at the earliest available date. We have a model of developing young players, whose form and confidence can be up and down. Look at Pogba at utd last season for example. We can’t be too harsh on the likes of JWP and Redmond as they are still young. The same applies to Stephens, Lemina, Targett, Sims, even Hoedt etc. We must therefore accept that we will go through rough and smooth patches and our league position may be inconsistent. Short term loss for long term gain. If we can create a squad like Tottenham has, with youth and ability on its side, we could see the start of a long spell of success for the club. That’s what the club wants. That’s what we all want. It will be worth a few mediocre seasons is we can reach that goal.


5.) 11 Sep 2017 21:52:38
This has to been posted by one of the players' wives or even mums? we were AWFUL!
We can’t be too harsh on the likes of JWP and Redmond as they are still young. -- age has nothing to do with it! they are experienced pros who simply aren't producing! there was a time when JWP was considered England's next number 10! read his stats . absolutely awful. As for Redmond, shame his skill, goals, ability don't match his highly inflated ego!
The same applies to Stephens, Lemina, Targett, Sims, even Hoedt etc
All of those players have produced the goods! and most importantly have improved as players .
The football (and I use that term loosely) produced against Watford was atrocious. I am not sure I have ever watched a game where we had no shape, no style, no drive . it was almost impossible to read our game .


6.) 11 Sep 2017 22:27:00
VVD horror show tonight in U23s. Lost 4-0: he's well off the pace!


7.) 12 Sep 2017 11:43:21
Several players to bed in? Lemina didn't play due to the international game, Bednarek is considered one for the future, which just leaves Hoedt as one new player. This does not warrant a complete lack of ideas, when you consider Watford have more players to bed in than us.

Would love to be more positive but I have concerns, not so much with the points but performances.


8.) 12 Sep 2017 14:12:55
The point is Rich that your statistics based on one match do not actually shed a great deal of light on the problems our team is experiencing, they merely highlight the symptoms. Also, if you feel that 3 or4 of our starting players are not good enough, then what is the solution? You suggest none. We can’t buy anyone now. Who in the squad can come in to the first team and make such a radical difference? Lemina of course can return and looks a prospect on paper, (lets not pretend after one appearance for the first team we have it nailed on how good he is and what his strengths and weaknesses will be), but even he is a young player who will require a little time to adapt to the pace and power of our league in comparison to Serie A. Saying age has nothing to do with the performance and consistency of several of our players is either wilfully naïve or moronic.
My point about bedding in new players Gregg does not relate solely to the starting 11, especially not in relation to the one game against Watford. A team needs strength in depth to provide competition for places and for form players to come off the bench and make a difference in games where things aren’t quite working. With players like Bednarek, Hoedt and Lemina, Hojberg i. e the young players that our club is choosing to invest in rather than bringing in proven premier league performers, all will take time to find their feet with ups and downs in their performances. This will impact the first team whether they are on the pitch or competing for places.
Southampton Football Club has stated its aim is to invest in young players we can develop and bring in to the first team, rather than spending a lot of money on established players. Until those young players are on the pitch performing consistently, we continue to invest in the future of the first team rather than its present. That said, the club is not slow to invest and bring in established players to bolster the first team squad if the need is apparent. Gabbiadini is an example, coming in last January to great effect before his injury. So, if we continue to struggle in front of goal, hopefully we’ll see investment in January. Long gone are the days under the likes of Rupert Lowe where your squad at the start of the season, irrespective of the opening and shutting of transfer windows, would remain the same. Our club is now more pragmatic with its playing staff and the coaching staff if things aren’t working.
We’re 4 games in. We have a new head coach. The first team squad has not really been added to over the summer, especially in attack so we face similar problems to last season. That puts a lot of pressure on the new head coach to solve the problem going forward that Claude Puel could not. Why not wait and see how we’re doing after 10 games or on the run up to Christmas before writing off the team?


9.) 12 Sep 2017 19:18:24
In reply to figodasilva .

It is neither moronic nor naive to suggest age is not a factor. I agree totally that someone like Simms, they have very little experience in the Premiership . but JWP has made not far off 150 first team appearances, plus over 50 appearances for various levels of the England setup .
Nathan R has made over 200! first team appearances, plus 70 for various levels of the England set up!


As for my statistics not being representative . ok here are some stats for our first 4 games,
Total Dribbles 40, 2 in the opponents box
Tackles attempted 87 . ZERO in the opponents box
Interceptions 43 . ZERO in the opponents box
Blocks 44 . 1 in the opponents box
Fouls 41 . 3 in the opponents box
Aerial Duels 77 . 9 in the opponents box .

A combination of not getting the ball in the area enough and when it does enter their box, not exactly fighting for the ball!
while we have three Gaston R's in Redmond, Boufal and Tadic, we will have lots of fancy footwork with no end product! all ending before that telling pass to poor old Gabbi waiting patiently!

What we do about it mmmmmm well JWP isn't providing much, even Davis is not producing .

Cedric VVD Hoedt Bertrand/ Targett/ McQueen
Long Romeu Lemina Bertrand/ Targett/ McQueen
Gabbi Austin.


10.) 12 Sep 2017 21:08:03
Thanks for the response Rich.

I’m not going to bang the JWP drum much because I’m also not sure where he fits into our team – he’s not really an attacking midfielder, nor a defensive one. He would probably benefit from a 3/ 5/ 2 with Lemina and Romeu behind him to provide protection so he can patrol behind and interchange with a front two.

The problem I have with statistics is they are always open to interpretation. Yes, in the last 5 seasons, JWP has 148 appearances, but only 79 were starts and he hasn’t played the full 90 minutes of many (if any) of those games. If we say a young player learning the ropes requires a consistent run, these stats don’t tell us how many consecutive games he has played. I’m sure its not many considering he’s been around the first team for 5 seasons. His best appearance stats came last season and he provided 4 goals and 4 assists from 22 starts. Not bad for someone who is in and out of the team and utilised in several different positions when he does come in. Not only that but he’s 22. The onus is on the club to find a way to fit him into the team if they want to get the best out of him, rather than squeeze him into the starting line-up.

Like Redmond, yes they both have a good level of experience now, but age also relates to maturity and confidence levels and other related factors. If a player reaches his peak at about 27 or 28, both players have a lot of development ahead of them so is it fair we bin them now? It comes back to the argument of do you give our young players, our young English players, a chance to progress in their respective first teams, playing regularly in the premier league, or do you give up on them and drop them back to the under 23s?

Your other team stats in your first post all focused on action inside Watford’s box. As much as we would like the game to be played out in the opposition box, the majority of a match’s action takes place in the middle third of the pitch for the vast majority of teams in the vast majority of matches, so events inside the box, unless you’re playing an inept team, are going to be very limited. Also, with stats as detailed as this, I for one do not know what is average in a 90 minute game of football in the premier league, what is average in a match for a team that plays a similar system and style to us (when you are able to detect one), or even what is average for the teams that are likely to be around us in the league table. Whilst a zero stat isn’t great, how rare is it?

In any event, my point is the stats, even your new ones, don’t tell us the cause of the problem, they simply highlight the symptom, which is we are pretty blunt going forward. In my view, we struggle because we are playing in front of the opposition because we are slow in moving the ball forward and any chance of a quick break, unless a genuine one on one, is usually curtailed as the breaking player has to check his run to hold the ball up and await support. Its all very one dimensional and predictable with even the weakest teams in the prem not being stretched as we do not hit them at pace and catch them out of position.

I’m not sure I’m comfortable with a 4-4-2 as most teams set up with up to 5 midfielders and three attackers when in possession, so they could bypass a 4 man midfield. Plus, Shane Long I don’t see as a wide option as, while he has some pace, I’m not sure he has the end product required either. I like playing Gabbi and Austin together though. It has to be worth a try. So a 3-5-2 perhaps with Yoshi, Stephens and Hoedt/ Bertrand (if VVD doesn’t return to the team), Cedric and Bertrand/ McQueen as wing-backs Lemina, Romeu and JWP/ Hojberg/ Davis in the middle and Gabbi playing in and around Austin.


11.) 12 Sep 2017 22:09:33
It's great to have a 'conversation' with someone that writes sense .
Interestingly in your lineup, you omitted Boufal, Redmond and Tadic. I agree totally, I agree we don't hit opponents with pace. The initial passes forward are slowed down the minute one of those three get the ball. They then go through some song, dance, side shuffle, step over, beat the same player three times . and then try and pass . all too late as the opponents midfield and defence are all back and in position. Perhaps this is the reason for JWP's poor stats, he quite simply is not getting the ball and therefore can't control that number 10 position. To be fair, I was shocked at the stats for him . especially as the players around him had played the ball by a factor of 6 to 8 times more! .

My reason behind Shane Long was that of a similar role to Jay Rod played, out wide and cutting in (and becoming the third attacker) . It was more I was trying to think of a way to get the ball moving faster without the need for the Waltz, Tango and Side Steps .!

The three amigos remind me so much of Gaston Ramirez, a talented player who had great footwork, but so frustrating. With the modern day defender/ midfield being so agile and quick, a player that 'messes' around with the ball and then makes the pass, maybe 10 seconds after he should have, can end up being negative for the team.
GAbbi is an exceptional finisher and his positional play really does remind me of Shearer, Teddy S or Van Nistleroy . but while he takes up great positions, he never gets the ball.

A quality that we always had was great combination between the wing backs and midfield; this appeared almost non existent on Saturday.

It will be very interesting to see the formation/ team played Saturday. I have supported Saints for near on 50 years and played amateur football for near on 30 . and Saints on Saturday was quite possibly the most disjointed team I have ever seen.


12.) 13 Sep 2017 09:33:54
I also notice that we both failed to mention Forster . deliberately or subconsciously I am not sure!
I am not sure we can continue with this man.
His ability to save a shot on goal is rapidly diminishing from
sometimes to never .


13.) 13 Sep 2017 11:03:37
Thank you. I agree, that the best way to use a forum is to have a chat, clear the air and then hopefully, find a positive thread to look forward to Saturday rather than dread it.

I don’t see Redmond or Boufal as viable wing backs. Perhaps auxiliary forwards if we need to move a midfielder up to play off Austin? I still think this 3-5-2 lacks pace though. We’d rely heavily on the wing backs for pace. In an ideal world our attacking midfielder would also have pace too but if you look at a team like Leicester, they make do with pace in wide areas and a striker.

I don’t think Forster is the long term solution but he’s the best option from the current squad. I was disappointed the young keeper who came on loan last season didn’t get more of a chance. Forster doesn’t command his area which is odd given his size. The best example was Zlatan’s headed goal to beat us at Wembley last year. What was he, three yards away from our goal line? It was a floated cross too so Forster had time to get there. Distribution last season was frightening and barely reached the halfway line at times and he doesn’t get down quickly enough to save the low shots. I was concerned to see him dive to save Watford’s first attempt last week and he seemed to pull his hands away at the vital moment, as if he thought it was going wide.

So I’m not crazy. I do see the flaws, but I just think there’s no fixing some things at the moment and this is going to be another transitional season. Its cathartic to come on here and have a moan but at the same point, negativity can spread like wildfire and we end up jeering or booing our team which does little for their confidence this early on the season.

I hope performances can improve but it may be up and down like last year. We may see more from Hojberg now he’s more settled, Boufal may also improve and Lemina may be the new Schneiderlin. Fingers crossed. I also hope the new owners will make funds available next summer. I think the eds highlighted ffp rules may mean less spending this year, but given PSG have been able to do what they have with limited scrutiny, apparently ffp is now worthless.

On to managerless Palace. Its got draw written all over it with two teams struggling to score and low on confidence, but if we can get a lucky break, or if MP hits on a solution to our attacking issue, tactically or through personnel, maybe we can secure another three points. COYR.


14.) 13 Sep 2017 15:42:51
I thought I would check on Gaston Ramirez to see where he is . off to Serie A .
It has been interesting (and enjoyable) to watch teams like Stoke and Watford this season. The days of big strong, slow and not too skillful players seems over. I actually loved watching the way Watford played. Their attacks were exciting and fast. There was very little messing around on the ball, quite simply fast passes to space and players on the run .
I mention Gaston because maybe the days of players like Boufal and Tadic in the PL are gone. With agile and quick defenders plus sharp midfields, the ball needs to be played quickly and accurately.
There are some very clever, highly skillful players around . I love to watch Jaun Matta, Fernandinho, Aguero . Willian . Hazard . but they all move the ball quickly and also move quickly into space .
Anyway, back to Saints .
Two up front . and most importantly GET THE BALL TO THEM :-)


15.) 14 Sep 2017 15:23:27
Come back Guly. all is forgiven :-)


 

 

16 Aug 2017 11:34:28
Looking at current rumours the Chelsea want in for Cedric a deal worth 15m. Do you know if there is any truth behind this Eds?

saintjay

{Ed002's Note - He has been discussed on a number of occasions but I am not aware of an offer at this time.}


1.) 16 Aug 2017 13:17:17
Even if he goes surley not for 15m.


2.) 16 Aug 2017 16:17:56
Think Cedric is worth at least 25 million and even then I don't think saints will sell.


3.) 16 Aug 2017 16:27:44
Eds the Liverpool fans saying VVD could still get done and that Saints might be waiting to see if Lpool qualify for CL and if they do they wouldn't stand in his way. This sounds ridiculous to me and deluded. Do you think there is any truth in this at all? Sorry to ask but they all seem to think so!

{Ed002's Note - All sorts of things can happen.}


4.) 16 Aug 2017 19:56:26
Thanks as ever Ed. Just seen Kruegers statement so Saints holding firm! Good on them.


5.) 17 Aug 2017 09:48:12
Ignore the Liverpool fan sites. They're just desires, not news. If you believe them they've signed him 57 times.


6.) 17 Aug 2017 11:16:45
Thanks Wandering Saint. They really wind me up!


 

 

24 Jul 2017 11:32:12
Has anyone seen our 25 squad that taking to France. I can see it's missing VVD, but that's a given since he's acting like a child. But Cedric is also missing, is he injured or could he also be off?

saintjay

1.) 24 Jul 2017 12:16:14
Hopefully vvd given a deal play and grow up and a move can happen if fee is paid that is acceptable and it is done in the right way in the next window or next summer. See soared linked to Chelsea now? Hopefully loop will have to recall sakho as he is still in their books and coutinho goes to Barcelona like Suarez and mascherano did and forces the move.


2.) 24 Jul 2017 16:19:20
Cedric's been given extra time off since he played in the confed.


 

 

06 Mar 2017 12:21:07
Isn't it funny how fast a season can change? I'm not talking about because we've won two games in row.
But with Fonte leaving and VVD being injured we're now leaking goals. However, the signing of Gabbiadini and we now seem to be scoring for fun.
What is everyone's thoughts on this?

saintjay

1.) 06 Mar 2017 12:56:54
My thoughts are that the season is over now so it's all irrelevant. We're not going down, we're not getting into europe, so I hope the people behind the scenes are making moves to get our transfer business done early for a change because there are no real distractions from here on in.


2.) 06 Mar 2017 14:54:54
Come on Saint91, still something to play for. look at the incredible run in we had last season, we were in a similar position as we are now. The last 12 games we went 8 wins, 2, draws, 2 defeats. So anything is possible with Saints scoring freely at last, cheers.


3.) 06 Mar 2017 15:50:34
Think he needs to put Cacares in.


4.) 07 Mar 2017 09:59:25
I agree about Caceras. I think we should go 4-3-3 with Caceras, Romeu and Davis in front of the back 4.


 

 

19 Jan 2017 17:20:45
Fonte to West Ham.

What is everyone's thoughts? I'd say that's a downgrade. It's such a shame he's been at the club for 7 year, our longest serving player and captain.

saintjay

1.) 19 Jan 2017 18:50:49
That's what happens when you are badly advised by agents. There's only one winner out of it and that'll be me Mendez


2.) 19 Jan 2017 19:29:52
Fonte has made a fool of himself he was expecting to be a big deal at Manchester United or Liverpool but will end up warming the bench at West Ham what a come down I bet his contrace will be no better than what we've offered him but he's made his bed so jog on bye thanks for your service don't come back you are NOT bigger than SOUTHAMPTON FOOTBALL CLUB.


3.) 19 Jan 2017 21:11:51
It's a shame how it's happened, but he is still a club legend! Can never fault that.


4.) 20 Jan 2017 07:38:32
It is a sad. I think he went so far that there was no going back. It's his final big, signing-on fee pay day but that's all it is.
I shall remember him as a Southampton great but we move on. I hope.


5.) 20 Jan 2017 16:34:00
If only france had won the euros, maybe he wouldn't be so cocky!


6.) 20 Jan 2017 19:22:15
It's a strange move in my opinion. Reports are suggesting he will be in 65k a week compared to the £45 he was on at saints. That said, £45k was before our improved contract offer. I would suggest our new contract offer was for 1 year and for around 50-55k per week. Can't blame the guy for taking a sideways step with a 2 year contract for an extra 20k a week. We do need a replacement and I disagree with the above comment i. e. Sakho for 12m based on Fonte going for 8, as we still have LOST our captain!


7.) 20 Jan 2017 20:01:12
Don't think you get 10 percent in your pension if u ask for the move nobody can doubt he has been one of our best players ever. Took a step down to join us and took us on a great ride. Not to be played in the europa was a disgrace and whoever took it should not be at the club good luck Jose and saints will say 8m good business


 

 

 

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23 Oct 2017 10:24:09
I'm finding it hard to understand/ conclude what is going on with our team and what we are missing. Since the start of last season we've managed to score 49 goals, Burnley the only team on less (47).
Looking at the goal that Boufal and Gabs scored, they're the type of the goals where they've taken it upon themselves to score.
But where will the goals come from, I think it showed how woeful we are in attack on Saturday as West Brom just sat back and allowed us to attack and keep the ball. And our end product was awful everytime, the crossing the final pass was poor from every player. You had Bertrand and Cedric really attacking really well and their quality in the final third was shocking. Had Boufal not had produced that moment of magic it would have been another 0-0 draw.
So what needs to be done to our team, to start scoring goals? What is our best current starting 11? Is the coaching structure/ managers decisions not set up to get the best out of our team?

saintjay

1.) 23 Oct 2017 11:37:39
Hi Jay, I do agree partly with you certainly Bertrand going forward was more effective and I thought we looked to create more chances. In our defence WBA came here for a point at least and at times were playing 6 at the back. What I fail to understand when you are playing a big, tall back four why keep lobbing in crosses which they will happily deal with all day? We need to be smarter and try and play around or through which we did try more on Saturday. Saints are not the only team guilty of this watching football you can see how few teams actually create decent chances and you see supposedly talented players failing to deliver a decent ball in. Let's face it the players can't complain about pitches when they play on these immaculate surfaces that us amateurs could only dream of. I agree with you the game had 0-0 written all over it and players need to keep the ball better and our movement without the ball needs to be much better. I was heartened though we were taking players on and trying to make things happen. I was encouraged by the performance and hopefully MP is gaining the players confidence and he knows the players strengths and weaknesses. Unfortunately we are not Man City, United or Tottenham with their goal scoring talent but also we are not Everton or Liverpool! lol. If the players can play with more confidence and fluidity, pace and control, I believe we can play in a more stylish successful way.
Regards vs.


2.) 23 Oct 2017 12:31:57
I agree with you Vintagesaint. It just seems to me like the smallest thing seems to annoy me at the moment. Just a few of these I picked up on, on Saturday.
Crossing the ball with no Ariel threat
Not moving the ball quick enough - players in midfield holding the ball more often than not a few seconds longer than usual
Not using the width - spent a lot of time holding the ball in the center of midfield
No support out wide for Bertrand and Cedric - Bertrand's quality comes when he works with a winger that stays on the wing, but the 4-3-2-1 formation didn't allow him to do this
We don't look great when we are put under pressure. West Brom just sat back and allowed us to keep the ball. Any team that can keep up a high tempo and will pressure our back 4, will create errors
I might be completely wrong posting this but I think this wasn't the case a few seasons ago. I'd like to see us play with 2 fast wingers. Lemina is probably the best signing we've made, and what he is brilliant at doing is breaking up the play and moving the ball forward. I think if we had 2 wide wingers that he could play the ball out wide too, we would be lethal on the counter-attack.

Although I am being negative, here are some positives from the game.
It's good to see our midfield looking so comfortable with the ball at their feet
Lemina is quality. I've mentioned it above, but that signing was a steal
Yoshida had another very, very good game. However, I don't like him on right side of the CB's as his right foot is very weak.


3.) 23 Oct 2017 15:22:48
Hi Jay
I believe you are absolutely right we need to be prepared to take more risks, it won't succeed every time and the players have to be brave and take responsibility. Too much football now is played going backwards and sideways and players just doing enough with no penetration. I have no problems with players losing the ball trying to take a player on in the opponents half and when we lose the ball, work hard to win it back. Yesterday Kane and Alli for Spurs both scoring goals but dropping back into defence when needed . Again I agree we dwell too long on the ball, we need players running forward with the ball and other players busting a gut to support them and if the move breaks down running just as hard to get the ball back or support the defence. I see Spurs high tempo, high pressing game as the way forward and back to where we were under Pochettino. Coyr.


4.) 23 Oct 2017 16:16:33
Good posts guys I think you more or less have said it all but I would just like to add just two things. 1. When you have a goalkeeper that can't do the basics as in catching the ball or distributing the ball it must make the defence nervous. They need confidence that the guy between the sticks can be relied upon which he can't. 2. Looking at Lemina he is so comfortable on the ball that he should be playing in a more attacking midfield position. He can drift past players and possibly open the opposition up and make them second guess what he is going to do, we have not played the high line since the days of Pochettino which worked very well. We will never score goals with slow approach play and negative passing sideways and backwards. I may be unpopular here but I would have given Claude Puel another season, you just can't keep changing managers it causes confusion for the players changing from one style to another. The way things are going we may change again before the end of the season if the goal tally remains abysmal. We got away with one at the weekend with a worldly but against the top teams we are going to have to score goals because they will score against us, that is almost a cast iron certainty.


5.) 23 Oct 2017 16:56:57
Hi Duke,
I absolutely agree with you Forster should be commanding his area and varying his distribution too often his kicks out are headed back by opposition defenders, he also needs to work on his mobility, too often he looks like a big, cumbersome lump. Let's hope the management and players are working on all these points and more.
Regards vs.


6.) 24 Oct 2017 09:32:07
Hi all. I was starting to think people only post on here when we lose and they have something to moan about. Looks like I was only half right. Ha Ha.

I think you’ve all touched on several of the reasons why we struggle in attack but you also have to put each game in context. As you highlighted VS, West Brom showed no attacking intent in the first 45 mins against us and there will be plenty of teams who come to St. Marys and play the same way. It’s what most mid to lower league teams will do away from home. That doesn’t suit our current style of play because we play possession football building from the back which only draws out teams with real attacking intent. That’s why in the last season or two we fare better against the bigger teams who press and harry all over the pitch. We have the talent to keep the ball for the most part and create space that way, but this is impossible when the opposition sit in their defensive positions and simply try to clear and intercept when you get close to them.

I can understand the frustration with crossing the ball into the box when we lack height up top but Arsenal and Man City still do it without a real target main to aim at. Its more about when you cross and the accuracy. A well hit cross can still evade defenders and land sweetly on the head or foot of a striker so its worth carrying on. Also, again in the game against West Brom, they played defensively and narrow which was a double blow to us on Saturday as we played a narrow formation. The width had to come from our full backs and the crossing was not the best. Its amazing to think it, but if you watch any premier league game, you’ll only see a couple of crosses come in that are, or deserve to be, converted. It’s a fine art and even the best in the game have a low conversion rate on crosses, but that doesn’t make it a pointless exercise. Especially when your play is forced wide by a defensive team playing narrow.

Jay, I don’t believe we are more susceptible to a pressing team than anyone else. The whole point of the tactic is to apply pressure and force mistakes and it does work a lot, but I think all of our players (FF excluded) have enough confidence and ability with ball at feet to use the ball effectively or read the danger and get rid if nothing else is on. A high press as a tactic can be very effective for teams but it requires a very high level of fitness, which places players’ bodies and health under duress so carries its own risks in that regard, but also means that you are, as a team, playing a high line. If you are not perfect in your intent to press and win back the ball, then you run the risk of being caught with a swift counter. Even the best exponents, like Barcelona, left themselves susceptible to several clean breakaways against good teams, and at least one one-on-one with the keeper each game, or so it seemed. I’m not sure we are good enough to succeed with that system at the moment. Certainly we can’t rely on FF to shut out such a high percentage of shots.

MP switched the formation on Saturday to try and make us less open defensively. The balance appeared better but it’s hard to see against a team that only attacks you in the second half. They changed formation and that opened the game a little, allowing us more joy going forwards. I’m not a fan of the diamond formation as it’s narrow and relies on the full backs delivering good crosses. If they have an off day, it becomes a struggle to create. But, as I’ve said before, MP is mixing up the team, finding out who can play where under pressure. Who his reliable players are and that’s all positive. The team have shown they are flexible and have several formations in their locker. Though I think we’re yet to find our best formation/ starting 11, we sit in the top half and are doing enough. This is a transitional season for us and it’ll take a little while to get things right.


7.) 24 Oct 2017 10:40:16
Good post Figo agree with most of it however you can't quote Man City successfully playing wide with no height in the middle. It is the pace they play the ball which catches defences out and when you have two of the world's best attacking midfielders as in De Bruyne and David Silva you have a distinct advantage to most. The difference mainly is they both score goals and provide multiple assists, we don't have anybody that can do that. That is why I suggested playing Lemina in a more attacking position, might not work but worth a try?


 

 

21 Aug 2017 08:24:06
Re-watching MG's goal from Saturday, you can't help but think he'd be better off with a partner up top with him. Getting the ball from the half way line playing it to Redmond and sprinting into the box. Don't get me wrong it was amazing play from him, but if this is the type of goals he can score surely it would make more sense having an Austin type player with him holding up the ball. One of MGs qualities is his hold up play. But the likes of Redmond/ Tadic will not score enough goals playing off him.

What's everyone's thoughts? We did score 3 goals but two of them being penalties is still not good enough for me.

saintjay

1.) 21 Aug 2017 10:14:34
If like to see Austin up top in the number 9 role with gabbiadini playing odd of/ behind him. Austin as a focal point and distracting their centre halfs with gabbi running in behind in to the space created. As we saw from his goal he has the ability and the pace to get the ball a little deeper and then make those dangerous runs at speed in to their box. Hard to defend against. I think we might see that against poorer teams. I hope so anyway. Pellegrino seems a lot more flexible in his selection than puel was.


2.) 21 Aug 2017 10:55:34
Just seen Clasie going to be sold. What do people think?


3.) 21 Aug 2017 11:49:56
Re Clasie
When I first saw him I thought he was too small physically to compete in the Premiership and if you compare him to Romeu and Lemina this has to be the right decision and free up money for a more creative midfielder/ winger.
VS.


4.) 21 Aug 2017 12:23:01
Reed is as good a player so never saw why we bought him surely if lazio want him it should be a p ex with hoedt.


5.) 21 Aug 2017 18:07:25
I think you can either play him with a target man who he can run off, or with a quality and creative attacking midfielder/ no. 9 (On FM it's called a Trequartista! ) . Personally I prefer the latter. Gabbi's runs would drag Cb's all over the place and create space for the player who sits deeper to operate. Problem is I don't think we have a player in the squad who can play this role (Tadic is probably the closest thing stylistically, but I don't think he's good enough) . This would be my biggest priority in what's left of the window.

Can't really think of anyone realistic we could sign who's capable of this role though.

Either way Gabbi shouldn't be up top on his own in my opinion. He's looked far too isolated the last few games.


 

 

22 May 2017 12:28:53
I'm very confused about the current situation, regarding Europe and the Premier League this season. So currently, Chelsea, Spurs, City and Liverpool will get Champions League football. If Utd win the Europe league they will also get Champions league football.
Since Utd already won the league cup, they retained Europa League football, so their position got handed to the team finishing 6th (Also Utd) - so that place got handed to seventh (Everton) . So if Arsenal win the F. A cup, they will qualify to the Europe League that way, therefore their place will drop to the team in 8th.
Am I right here? So we'd have to do playoff's? Like we did 2 seasons ago?

saintjay

{Ed002's Note - No, the situation is very clear - Southampton will not be playing European football next season - there is no way whatsoever that would allow them to do that.}


1.) 22 May 2017 14:18:33
So if Utd win the Europa Cup, there will only be 2 English teams based in the competition?

{Ed002's Note - I am completely sick of answering these same questions over and over. Read the posts.}


 

 

30 Jan 2017 12:28:59
Ed's/everyone - what are your thoughts on Gabbiadini as a player if we do sign him. I don't really know what to think of him as he seems to be a sub mostly for Napoli, do you think he is better than what we already have? What qualities do you think he will bring to the team?

Obviously, we would all like a striker who can score 15+ goals a season. However, I don't see Gabbiadini being that.

saintjay

1.) 30 Jan 2017 14:15:18
Always dubious about players coming from the Italian leagues. A good percentage don't seem to work out, and not just for Saints but for other Prem clubs too.
That said I'm sure the team in the black box has done their homework.


2.) 30 Jan 2017 16:52:12
And I'd still prefer Ulloa who would probably be a third of the price. At least he is proven in the prem.


3.) 30 Jan 2017 17:48:24
Well he is coming now! Pelle did well for us, so why not Gabbidini?


4.) 30 Jan 2017 17:57:01
I think he should do ok, physically he has the traits to handle the PL being over 6ft and his style is to hold up play. We will have to wait and see if he settles. but its good to have more solutions and interesting possibilities


5.) 30 Jan 2017 18:27:20
I agree with you, but you have also just described Sam Gallagher.


6.) 30 Jan 2017 18:27:55
I am looking forward in him coming because at we are signing someone! He has also scored 15+ goals for one of his former serie a clubs.


7.) 31 Jan 2017 02:03:45
Gabbiadini is not a traditional target man as suggested above, his strengths are his work rate, ability to play all across the front as well as his finishing. He is a player who is best facing the goal not with his back to it.


 

 

03 Jan 2017 08:59:25
We are really not in a good position. The rotation is not working and suggests that Puel does not know who the best starting 11 is and everyones best position on the field.

Yesterday it was clear that we were missing a CDM, all 2 of the 3 goals we conceded our midfielders were all over the place. The reason why we've been such a solid squad defensive over the past 3/ 4 seasons is because we've always had 2 great defensive CDM's in front of the defence.

What would be our best 11 at the moment? I think it is.
GK: Forester
RB: Cedric
CB: Fonte
CB: Van Dijk
LB: Bertrand
CDM: Romeu
CM: Davis
CM: Hojbjerg
RW: Tadic
STR: Austin
LW: Boufel.

saintjay

1.) 03 Jan 2017 12:06:19
Think hojbjerg has looked awful for a couple of months.


2.) 03 Jan 2017 12:51:51
I would go with that but hojberg is debatable think him jwp and clasie r bang average so is davis except for his workrate but I would put jwp in for hojberg simply for his free kicks.


3.) 03 Jan 2017 13:26:46
hojberg technically is superb I don't think he is fit at the moment and will take a while to get him up to speed and premier league fitness. JWP don't rate his delivery to predictable and not much comes of it far better with Bertrand and davis taking the kicks ad drilling them in at pace. Forster looks poor this season problems with his feet again great shot stopper but hat is it. Need a striker keep saying it pelle would have 15 by now min we would have 6-9 more points and still be in the Europa. Don't buy this rotation system a team is just that a group who play together regularly if they can't play 2-3 games a week and not train between should they be premier players. Look at Ibrahimavoic much as it pains me he jas probably played more minutes than any saints outfield player and he is 36. Pick a team stick with it and only rotate for injuries or fatigue. much needed boost against Norwich neede and then regroup and push again with a striker please. J rod needs this year at least injury free to be anywhere near back.


4.) 03 Jan 2017 14:00:20
I don't think that J Rod will get to his best again. Not being able to play competitive football for over a year has ruined his career.
I feel so sorry for him as well as he could have become one of the most prolific strikers in the league.
I think we have a very young team. And I think another issue is top class experience. Redmond/ Hojberg/ Boufal all very young players with not much experience so I don't expect them to be the best players in the world in their first season.
But these are all players that will probably peal soon and go to bigger clubs. We can't expect to grow if we keep feeding off ouroad best players. We just seem to replace, meaning there is no room for improvement.


5.) 03 Jan 2017 16:14:26
I agree with your back four totally. What would be an interesting statistic is how many times this formation was played (when they were all available) .
The midfield; I agree with your chosen three. I also agree with the recent dip in form of Hojbjerg BUT he is player who came to Saints to get playing time. When he was playing regularly he was superb; definitely one that suffers from irregular playing.
Forward; a difficult one . Boufal is exceptional, his control of the ball is unbelievable, he can also score. At times he is so deep, he needs to beat 5 players to get near the box! personally I believe we should be playing two wingers/ players that can cut in from the wide positions. This used to be J Rods strength. If we really want to win games and not play for draws, J Rod and Boufal out wide with Long as the target man. Or even play four up, with JRod and Tadic out wide with Boufal in behind Long .

Whatever we do, we need to change the way we are playing. You can not make 6 changes two games running and wonder why your team is not playing free flowing football!


6.) 03 Jan 2017 17:27:57
I think we played the best attacking when Pochitino was in charge.
We has J-Rod, Lallana and Lambert in thus formation but with more freedom. So Lallana would play all over the place. J-Rod would come inside and Lambert would drop back as he has class vision and delivery.

I wanted Koeman to adapt this with Mane, Tadic and Pelle but he didn't.

I think given the freedom and structural mobility between a front 4 of long, j-Rod, Tadic and Boufal we could improve our attacking game.


7.) 03 Jan 2017 19:13:15
Can't understand how we as fans can tell what the problem is and which players are able to play in this league and the so called managers are clueless. As Rayzer previously said, Hojberg, JWP, Clasie and sometimes Davis aren't cut out for these games. Davis has so many opportunities to shoot but seems to want to pass it. 90% of shots on goal seem to go way over the bar. Aim for the goal line. Also a huge problem we've had for many years are our throw-ins. So slow and we never seem to be able to keep the ball. Please try and throw it faster and also can't remember the last time we scored a goal from break. By the time we get up to the oppositions area their entire team is back defending.


8.) 03 Jan 2017 21:05:28
Puel . I hope you are watching the Bournemouth game . I am! and I had forgotten what it is to watch EXCITING, FAST flowing football .


 

 

 

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12 Sep 2017 12:05:35
Yes, I am familiar with how this works. I just don't see Davis being reliable enough to be added as another attacking threat. We would essentially have 3 CB's and 3 CM's who are defensive minded. You would want someone that can sit in behind the front 2 that can move the ball about fast and get it out to the wing but would also provide support for Cedric and Bertrand. I would say that currently, Tadic would be the best person to do this.

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11 Sep 2017 13:05:51
I agree I think that Lemina will hopefully add some power. I'm hoping that Lemina will be the sort of player that will break up play and advance forward with the ball. Like a Dembele or Kante. I think Tadic is our most technically gifted player. However, we don't get any use out of him. He plays better on the wings. Which is why I think he should play on left and Redmond on the right. Redmond isn't good enough on the left. We need to use his pace, if we have him on the right we can start to see him making runs and putting the ball in the box from good positions. Because at the moment he wants to put everything on his right.
I 100% agree. I do feel for Puel last season as he may have played Austin and Gabs up front had Austin been fit. I don't see why Pellegrino is not doing the same. It really is a no brainer if your team is not scoring add some firepower. We have good depth in an average squad, as everyone is at the same ability. I like to think that all of the midfield could walk into all of the teams that finished below us. Ideally, we would want JWP sitting deep and pinging balls about. It's a shame we haven't loaned him out. A few seasons in the Championship would have down him a world of good when we first got promoted.
I'm hoping that maybe Harry Lewis could grow this season and play next year, that would be ideal.

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11 Sep 2017 07:35:06
That could work. However, that seems way too defensive. 5 at the back and 3 midfielders that have no presence in attack. Obviously, you'd have Bertrand and Cedric attacking the wings.

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31 Aug 2017 22:24:18
I agree. The international break may help us out. With a lot of first team players still at camp it'll hopefully give them some time to get their heads down.

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31 Aug 2017 14:35:31
We've had nothing rumour wise about expected signings. I know Boufal was signed on Deadline Day last year but we knew that was going to happen.

Everything is just about VVD.

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23 Oct 2017 12:31:57
I agree with you Vintagesaint. It just seems to me like the smallest thing seems to annoy me at the moment. Just a few of these I picked up on, on Saturday.
Crossing the ball with no Ariel threat
Not moving the ball quick enough - players in midfield holding the ball more often than not a few seconds longer than usual
Not using the width - spent a lot of time holding the ball in the center of midfield
No support out wide for Bertrand and Cedric - Bertrand's quality comes when he works with a winger that stays on the wing, but the 4-3-2-1 formation didn't allow him to do this
We don't look great when we are put under pressure. West Brom just sat back and allowed us to keep the ball. Any team that can keep up a high tempo and will pressure our back 4, will create errors
I might be completely wrong posting this but I think this wasn't the case a few seasons ago. I'd like to see us play with 2 fast wingers. Lemina is probably the best signing we've made, and what he is brilliant at doing is breaking up the play and moving the ball forward. I think if we had 2 wide wingers that he could play the ball out wide too, we would be lethal on the counter-attack.

Although I am being negative, here are some positives from the game.
It's good to see our midfield looking so comfortable with the ball at their feet
Lemina is quality. I've mentioned it above, but that signing was a steal
Yoshida had another very, very good game. However, I don't like him on right side of the CB's as his right foot is very weak.

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28 Sep 2017 15:18:48
It would be using 2 wing backs. Obviously, on paper it looks defensive but Cedric and Bertrand are both quality when they get forward, hence why I thinking adding the extra CB will help them get forward. The 5 will allow these two guys to attack more often. I do like Redmond and believe he has great potential and I would say he'd be better on the right where he is not tempted to cut inside, as his ability is pretty weak in the area.

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27 Sep 2017 13:30:29
Forster

Cedric (rwb)
Vvd (cb)
Yoshida (cb)
Hoedt (cb)
Bertrand (lwb)

Romeu (cdm)
Lemina (cdm)

Long (rw)
Gabbi (st)
Tadic (lw)

I'm not too sure what our strongest 11 is at the moment, especially going forward. I would want our two full backs as wing backs as they are quality going forward, to play fast football between the front 3.
Redmond needs to be dropped, he lacks quality so much in the final third, spends the whole game trying to play CF which leave Bertrand no support and he is one of the best LB in the league at going forward, so he needs that, which he will get from Tadic.
I'm not convinced by the 4-2-3-1 formation that we've adopted. We've always looked stronger playing 4-3-3 so maybe 5-2-3 will work for us. Alternatively looking at 4-3-3 you would just swap out Yoshi or VVD for Davis.
But then again, we haven't been scoring goals so we should go for 2 up top. So maybe 5-2-1-2 with Tadic behind Gabs and Austin?

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25 Sep 2017 10:53:25
So the 5 goals we've conceded in the Premier League are 2 goals from outside the box vs Watford. 3 goals from rebounds off FF. So either our CB's need to react faster to these or FF has to do better in the first place and get them away from the danger area.

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17 Sep 2017 10:13:00
Maybe. It makes sense, it's now our strongest position you would feel. Although I think part of the reason VVD came on was for MP to prove a point that he's still our player/ to waste time.

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