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06 Jun 2018 20:12:28
Liverpool apparently now in for Shaqiri. Smart move, cut out the middle man and just go straight for the players we're linked with.


1.) 07 Jun 2018 12:30:36
haha. If 12M is true, I would quite like him here.



08 Apr 2018 11:43:03
Huge game today. Not just about the result, we need to go out there and make a statement that we're not going down without a fight.

If we have a go at them and lose, fine. They're a top 6 team and they're better than us. I'm just not sure I can stand to watch another performance like we saw against Newcastle and West Ham.

As a side note, why does anyone think that Shane Long is the answer for us? The bloke can't score. Southampton fans seem to consistently kid themselves that the grass is greener and change for the sake of change produces results. We did it when we engineered Puel's sacking. We did it throughout Pellegrino's reign, and in sacking Pellegrino as well which already looks like it's not making much difference. Just because long is a hard worker and doesn't have the same accusations of laziness thrown his way as someone like Gabbi, doesn't mean that he's going to suddenly develop the end product that he's never had.


1.) 08 Apr 2018 13:32:14
Just seen the team sheet. apparently our manager disagrees with me!

Shane Long hat-trick and I'll be eating some of the best tasting humble pie anyone could have come 4pm lol.

2.) 08 Apr 2018 15:58:02
Just a slice will do. better performance shame not to get a point really. Arsenal is still arsenal no matter the 11 starting and no shame in today.

3.) 08 Apr 2018 16:42:12
HI guys

Just watched the match two very important points what on earth does the managers past and present see in dusan tadic, he is one of the worst players I have seen in a long long time, he contributes absolutely nothing but the last three managers have all played him does he hold something over the club? second point is our defence is appalling not a decent defender amongst them. No wonder were in this position we can't hold on to a lead, how many games have we been infront and ended up losing I don't care if we stay up or go down I won't buy another season ticket .

4.) 08 Apr 2018 19:22:45
Today we played well
All over the park players actually showed up
Shane held the line up front and our defence were shaky at times but held their own
Even though we lost we played better and if we can take this game onto our next we have a chance against the lesser teams we’ve got to come up against
So it’s not all doom and gloom from today.

5.) 09 Apr 2018 18:40:17
Completely agree Diggy. There were still errors which aren't good enough, but it's time we accept that won't be fixed until next season. They showed fight, which is the big thing I wanted to see.

Also agree completely re. Tadic. I just don't get it. He's consistently poor. There was one moment yesterday when Shane squared it and Tadic had to beat one of Arsenal's defenders to the ball. It wasn't even a 50/ 50.Tadic was favourite to get there, and he just completely bi***d out of the challenge. That, for me, is criminal, particularly in the midst of a relegation scrap. Honestly if I was MH I wouldn't have cared that it was about 10 mins in. I'd have ripped him off the pitch there and then and he wouldn't have got back on it until he'd won 100 50/ 50s on the training pitch. I feel like that is the sort of accountability we lack.

6.) 10 Apr 2018 11:47:20
123 - totally agree. I thought he could have done more to prevent the cross for the (third I think) goal.



25 Jan 2018 20:53:11
Eds are you hearing any names linked to the saints other than Carillo and Promes? Just curious, the rumours seem to all be about those two.


{Ed002's Note - Nicolas Gaitan remains of interest as a loanee but it might prove difficult. Interest remains in Ben Godfrey but nothing can now happen until the summer.}



27 Jul 2017 08:40:09
Patrick Roberts rumours seem to be gathering steam - Eds any idea on whether this is likely, and whether it is likely to be a loan or a permanent transfer?

Think he could be a good buy for us, but personally I wouldn't't want him unless there's at least an option to buy.


1.) 27 Jul 2017 12:17:27
If we want this type of player I don't understand why we didn't get Murphy now of Newcastle. Much better player all round!



14 Jul 2017 16:17:05
Eds any idea what's going on with Chalobah? Seen reports of us linked and some of him signing a 5-year deal with Watford.

Think he'd be a good signing for us and reasonably priced too hopefully with only 1 year left on his deal.


{Ed002's Note - He has moved to Watford S123.}

1.) 14 Jul 2017 17:00:33
Shame, know if we were interested or just rumour?

2.) 15 Jul 2017 15:51:01
Why do you need to know whether we were interested or not? Too late, don't matter, move on guys 😇.

3.) 15 Jul 2017 16:22:27
Just curious.

{Ed002's Note - No. Southampton enquired after two other Chelsea players but not Chalobah. All three have moved on now.}

4.) 15 Jul 2017 18:45:30
Ok thanks for the info Ed (as always)




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12 Jun 2018 07:30:01
Hi Eds,

Any chance of this strange Sporting crisis benefitting us at all?

Martins, Podence and Fernandes all seem like options who could fit the bill for us. I understand Martins has been linked to the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool, but haven't heard much about the other two. Are they options for the Saints or am I being too ambitious?


{Ed001's Note - it really is difficult to say, it could all get very messy yet. Sporting could easily appeal to CAS and block any of the players from playing.}

1.) 12 Jun 2018 14:39:55
Thanks Ed. Do you think teams are likely to stay away because of these complications, or do you expect these players to be snapped up quickly?

One of the more interesting scenarios I’ve ever seen in terms of transfer dealings.

{Ed001's Note - I would expect some to see clubs step in and get a deal with Sporting and some will no doubt back down when they are not getting the offers they are looking for. You would be better looking on the Eurosoccer site as Ed002 can offer more detail about it on there as it is completely relevant to that site.}

2.) 12 Jun 2018 18:18:30
Fair enough mate, I'll have a look there. Thanks for the info! Much appreciated as always.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate, he has much better info than I do on this kind of thing.}



05 Jun 2018 11:30:58
I'd forgotten Jordy Clasie even existed until someone mentioned him on here.

Anyone know how he did on loan? I'm guessing he didn't set the world alight if I've forgotten the bloke?!


1.) 06 Jun 2018 05:34:18
Supposedly subpar loan at brugge. Wasn't even first choice there towards the end of the season. An unspectacular player really, never did much wrong but not what we need right now. Especially with the number of midfielders we have right now. Should be moved on this summer, as the wages could be put to better use elsewhere. Reed having a more positive loan spell should be given the chance to replace Davis.



27 May 2018 10:37:45
SkySports reporting that Andre Silva (Milan) has been offered around but Monaco and Wolves have both refused to pay the €31m asking price.

Of course, who knows if this is accurate, but if it is then it'd be great to see us give it a go. That's similar money to Carilllo, and for a player who would really fit the bill for us.




17 Apr 2018 20:56:01
We're in great escape territory now, and it simply must start this Thursday. What do we all think, biggest game in the club's history? Certainly since we were relegated last time (04/ 05 season I think) .

Although not mathematically impossible, a loss would relegate us in my mind, whilst a draw does very little to improve our situation.

One other thought that has occurred to me, just to discuss something a bit less depressing. Say we win 5 of our final 7 and find ourselves sitting in 17th with an FA Cup in the trophy cabinet (it's a big if, I know) then when it's all said and done. do we have to consider the season a success? I don't know about the rest of you, but I actually think I might have taken that at the start of the season, rather than another solid 8-10 PL finish. Funny thought after the season we've had, but I suppose my point is there is still a chance that we can go into next season with some real optimism and something to build on.

It's actually a real shame that all the doom and gloom of our PL campaign has meant we haven't been able to enjoy the fact that Southampton are in an FA Cup semi final at Wembley on Saturday, and we proved last weekend we have a legit shot at making the final. I don't know about the rest of you but I've been so depressed about Southampton lately that this has only just sunk in to me, and that's a massive shame.


1.) 17 Apr 2018 21:21:42
Totally agree it’s f**ked my year completely
what I would say is that the changes should have been made earlier and we might have had a chance but
After saturdays result I’m not sure Hughes can pull this out of the bag
I hope he does but with the defence being so frail and
Playing with no leadership and confidence it’s not going to be easy
I honestly can’t remember when we played 5 games and won 3 of those
it’s such a long time ago I think the players have forgotten how to do it
All we can do is hope.

2.) 17 Apr 2018 21:46:14
Hi guys

I am trying to be positive but I think it is perhaps too much of a mountain to climb and left too late and I am concerned that being 5 points off safety that we will struggle to close the gap, I really hope I am wrong but Thursday night will be decisive. What really annoys me is I wrote to the club in November criticising MP's managership but let's wait for the end of the season or the axe to fall because I am sure we will all have lots of questions and points to raise . Cory vs.

3.) 17 Apr 2018 23:56:15
Don’t get this win 5 of our final 7 . We have 5 games left not 7 and I do agree that we are all going to Wembley for the day out resigned to Championship football . There is no way ever that regardless of what’s happened this season any results now could be accepted as a satisfactory outcome. It’s been a complete mess from the moment we sacked Claude Puel who may I remind everybody is a PL manager and will be next season.

My buck stops with the board . They hired Puel then sacked him after giving him no chance to prove himself, not saying he is the Messiah but I 100% believe if he was still here we would not being potentially relegated. SFC has after all the effort over the last 8 years messed up big time. I repeat the buck stops at the top .

4.) 18 Apr 2018 07:26:11
5 + 2 in the FA Cup = 7.

Stop with the Puel stuff. We forced him out. So fed up of hearing fans backtrack on that and claim we knew better. Also let's not forget why we collectively turned on him. we were playing bad football and scraping results, which wasn't good enough for you.

Vintage Saint. you wrote to the club in November did you. So what? You honestly think a well run club would pay the slightest attention to a letter like that? That's nothing but ego mate, get over yourself. They won't and shouldn't listen to that.

5.) 18 Apr 2018 09:51:54
yep totally agree with that. the past is the past we can't change it. why the hell would the board listen to a moaning fan? the board knew he wasnt doing well but took to long in trying to give him a chance. if we win the fa cup does that mean we can be in europe and the championship next year?

6.) 18 Apr 2018 10:08:59
123 - agree with your whole post. I think if we beat LCFC, all is to play for and we are in with a shout. lose / draw and I am the same, we can prepare for championship football. Worth pointing out we have Swansea, directly above us to play. Assuming we win that (huge assumption) its game on.

About Puel, I am sick of fans saying we wouldn't be in this position if he was at the helm, this could be right, however just because the fans wanted him gone, does not mean they wanted him replaced with a cheap option who was clearly out of his depth. All the fans were asking is to appoint someone that follows the ethos for the Koemans and Poch.

Just because fans wanted an upgrade on Puel, does not make them at fault.

7.) 18 Apr 2018 10:11:48
Don’t get this ‘ We forced him out ‘ business regarding CP, I didn’t . The board didn’t listen when the majority of the supporters wanted Pelligrino out for months and months. Puel’s face didn’t fit for some reason. I know we went on a very poor run at the back end of last season which probably gave the board the excuse to sack him but I think it went deeper than that. Krueger came out this season stating we were a small club and we shouldn’t look forward with too much ambition. Finishing 8th and a cup final wasn’t the act of a small club. The problem in my opinion is with the board and the new owner who may have ambition but is basically bankrupt in real terms, crazy business sense. Vintage writing to the club shows the passion of supporters concerned with the demise of SFC in such a short period after all the blood, sweat and tears put in to get us back to the PL. I commend him for that, most people moan and groan but few would actually find the time to contact the club and rightly ask for an explanation and justification for the club’s actions over the past 12 months. I don’t expect he was expecting an answer but just wanted to show them that many were concerned and hopefully not looked upon as being irrelevant which I’m afraid most supporters think they are when it comes to any decision making.

8.) 18 Apr 2018 11:39:06
exactly, if the board "listened" to fans, why didn't they do the same with MP2.

My understanding is that CP answered back, MP2 didn't. doesn't make a difference either way, we are where we are.

9.) 18 Apr 2018 13:25:07
It’s now or never tomorrow night.
Some how they have to figure nd a way to win be it run ugly play for pens I don’t care how.

10.) 18 Apr 2018 14:11:43
Gregg - Because the board probably thought enough is enough and didn't want to make a knee-jerk reaction based on fan pressure again. I'm not saying we were the only reason, but the board clearly would have taken the atmosphere around the club and the huge boos that rang around the ground at the end of the season as a huge factor in getting rid of Puel. Also, you say it's based on the fact that Puel answered back, and MP2 didn't. well first, this isn't pre-school. Second, please let me know where your close insight into the inner workings of our club's hierarchy comes from, and how I can get the inside scoop on all of this as well.

Chris, I have no idea about you personally. I'm speaking generally of course, the fans as a whole wanted him gone. You act mystified by this. have you forgotten how much booing there was at the end of last season? And anyway, who's to say that things would be different now if he was at the helm? The fact that he's done ok with Leicester has absolutely no bearing on what would've happened if he'd stayed with us.

I obviously have no problem with VS writing to them, I'm just saying I would have a big problem if the board changed the direction of the club based on that.

11.) 18 Apr 2018 14:59:12
I understand why a lot of pressure is being piled on this Leicester result, but I’m not sure its win or bust. The caveat to this optimism is that I still don’t think we’ll need 40 points to stay up, but after Huddersfield’s win last weekend, the points target needed for safety has no doubt shifted upwards. 37 points?

Perhaps its because I’m preparing myself for another difficult result on Thursday. We have trouble in defence against ruthless attackers and Leicester have one in Jamie Vardy with an able deputy in Rihad Mahrez. At Stoke, MH failed to plug their leaky defence and so its quite possible that we will continue to concede, though I hope things will improve at least a little in that department.

But now we’re scoring again, there is still a glimmer of hope. After Leicester, we face Bournemouth, Everton and Swansea. None can claim to have the ruthless goalscorers of the top 6 elite and so there is a chance we can win by outscoring these opponents. Its more likely that we hang on to a two goal lead against one of those sides than it is against Chelsea or Arsenal.

Leicester are higher than our next three opponents in the league table for good reason. But they haven’t won for three games now and there is an argument that they have little to play for. After thumping us 1-4 they could be complacent. Under Puel last season, we plateaued at the end of the season and so perhaps Leicester will too. It would be wonderful to go there and get something from the game and I wouldn’t turn my nose up at a draw now to give us some momentum, no matter how slight. That point could be the catalyst to winning the next few games. The players must continue to fight and play with urgency. If we do, survival remains possible no matter Thursday’s result.

12.) 18 Apr 2018 17:30:42
Hi Chris,

Thank you for your support 're my contacting the club. I also agree with saints123 comments that I would not expect the board to act so early or just on a minority reaction. Just ponder on this point for the moment why would you give a relatively unknown and let's face it unsuccessful manager a 3 year contract? I raised this point after MP was sacked and also spend £18m on a forward who was recommended by a manager who was teetering on the brink? . The recent actions by the board over the last couple of seasons go beyond incompetent. Another point to ponder our Chinese owner paid £220m for a premier league club, what is the value of that same club in the championship? I would love to be a fly on the wall in RK's office in the last few months. Re tomorrow night we all hope for for a win but remember the saying hope for the best prepare for the worst. What really pisses me off about this season is that this could have all been avoided and a season of mid table security or better was achievable with better planning, tactics and game management. Sfc this season are an example of total ineptness, crap management at pretty much every level. Let's keep everything crossed for Thursday night and the rest of the season. Coyr.

13.) 18 Apr 2018 19:06:04
Any club from where we were to where we are now would be totally confused with who ever makes the final decisions at the club because they haven’t been up to a premier league standards
Otherwise why would we be where we are now
This league is competitive but we assumed it as easy and got complacent with our organisation behind the Scenes
Thinking every signing we made would be making the club and owner millions
The problem that has cursed us is the inability to hold on to these players and managers who have been successful
we all knew this bubble would burst at some point but I for one didn’t predict it so soon
I hope these players have the fight and heart but so many clubs are fighting and picking up points where as we’re not
Fingers crossed for tomorrow

14.) 19 Apr 2018 07:22:42
VS - It's standard to give 3 year contracts to managers, and it doesn't exactly prevent you from getting rid of them as soon as you want to. Look around, clubs don't have a hard time firing managers. If he had been successful and we'd signed him to a 1 or 2 year deal, you'd call them incompetent for that. I think you're being incredibly harsh there and nitpicking something which is actually fairly irrelevant. The reason he stayed so long is 100% not because of the length of his contract.

15.) 19 Apr 2018 11:59:27
123 - thanks for pointing out its not pre school, I need that confirmation. Believe it or not, it is not just pre school where people answer back, it happens in all walks of life

In terms of the information, I am not going into much detail but I do speak to a former player quite regularly through mutual friends, not that I need to justify myself to you. It seems odd to me that you often ask for proof or how we have an insight into the club, whilst not providing any evidence yourself, such as claiming providing 3 year contracts to managers is standard and questioning what is and is not relevant - perhaps you think you are god,

Anyway, fans were booing in December for MP2 to go, the board acted in March so they can't listen to fans as much as you think. let's all hope for a win today!

16.) 19 Apr 2018 18:07:51
Yes but it's only pre-school where people are thrown out of the classroom for answering back, as you suggested with Puel. Everywhere else it is expected that senior people have opinions and push for them.

I never said the board listen to fans constantly as a matter of policy. But surely you can't say that the boos and negative atmosphere weren't related to the decision to sack Puel? If I was in the boardroom and had fired Puel based on that pressure, only to see the boos start up again when we have a bad patch, I'd have probably said enough is enough also and not listened.

I don't have to provide evidence for an opinion, and nor do you. The vast majority of what I say on here is opinion and I present it as such. I don't claim to know what's going on, I make comments based on the knowledge I do have, and try to justify them. But people on here love to talk about the inner workings of the club like they're in every board meeting.

But since you're going to nitpick something I said to try and say I'm a hypocrite (even though I was speaking generally, saying its extremely common in football and hardly a sign of an incompetent board), here you go:

Puel -

Koeman -

There you go, our last two managers were both signed to 3 year deals and nobody cared.

So please, don't expect to say anything you want and have nobody ask you to justify it on a public forum.

17.) 19 Apr 2018 21:14:43
I have no issue with being challenged, but re read what you posted and if you are honest with yourself you may conclude that it was a somewhat petty way of asking, when you could have simply just asked outright, instead of implying I wasn’t repeating something I was genuinely told. At no point did I hint to know much at all. Even if that isn’t the case, I too could have been speaking from my perception, much like you can’t possibly know what VS would say if a 1 or 2 year contract was offered.

Anyway it is more interesting to have differing views, I love reading some of the stuff on here, but I couldn’t say I agree with it all.

Yes you’re right, you have proved 2 managers have signed 3 year contracts. I don’t recall disputing this, just pointing out that there are plenty of managers that sign shorter and longer terms for various reasons, such as Hughes.

18.) 19 Apr 2018 22:33:13
You're right it was a bit petty and that was based on the fact that people, not always you, keep doing this. They make these wild statements about the club's board that are so unsubstantiated. I'm fed up with it, but I do apologise for taking out my general frustration on you specifically.

But still. come on. Hughes was a short term appointment with about 8 games to go; clearly that is completely different to bringing someone in over the summer who you think of as a long term solution. Surely you can't honestly think there's any comparison there. That's the argument of a man who just can't admit when he's been proved wrong.

As much as I was a little over the top in my tone before, your tone in saying "you're right, you've proved 2 managers have signed 3 year contracts" in that dismissive manner is just such an underhanded tactic in a debate. I showed a pattern, and if you really want me to go out and find more examples I will. I'm not exactly making a bold claim here in arguing that it's nothing out of the ordinary to bring a manager on that kind of deal.

So yeah, I've had enough of conspiracy theories about the board. I've had enough of the hypocrisy, and the selective memory. We boo the team for finishing 8th, clearly a huge factor in the manager being sacked, and then turn around and criticise the board for doing what we wanted done. Because make no mistake, the balance of opinion on here was very much in favour of sacking him, and the reaction on match day overwhelmingly so. We demand the board spend money in January, and shout that if they don't then relegation is guaranteed. They sign an 18 mil striker, and 2 months later we say that makes them incompetent. And what's more, we actually have the nerve to say they should listen to us.

19.) 19 Apr 2018 23:18:43
No conspiracy about the board 123 they just don’t have a clue what they’re doing, I think most of us can’t understand how things have gone so disastrously wrong in such a short space of time. It is mentioned often that you can’t sell your best players without suffering the consequences. My reaction to that is we have nearly £50 million pounds worth of players recently bought that can’t get on the pitch . Why is that? I can’t think of any other club below the top 6 that can boast that unfortunate situation. Mark Hughes is fighting what looks like a losing battle, no time to sort anything. So this board conspiracy thing carries no weight with me, they run the club and if they couldn’t see the writing on the wall months ago they shouldn’t be there.

20.) 19 Apr 2018 23:40:42
I will happily admit when I am wrong, in fact a lot of what you say makes complete sense and I have said as much on a couple of occasions. I honestly mentioned Hughes as an example that contracts vary from the short to the long, nothing more but yes there probably was a tone to the message, apologies.

I am more frustrated with this evening. A point gained? I can’t quite understand why we didn’t go for it more at the end, but I guess only time will tell if it is actually 2 points dropped.

21.) 20 Apr 2018 15:10:41
Completely agree on yesterday's game. We had to win and I find it so worrying that Hughes didn't seem to have recognised. It felt like we were simply accepting our fate!

22.) 20 Apr 2018 15:23:51
Chris - I'd say that's a mixture of bad player purchases the last couple of seasons, strange squad selection and the fact that we've had a lot of money to spend relative to the clubs around us (i. e. Brighton, Huddersfield, Swansea, Stoke etc. ) because of a few good years.

But yes, I've never said the board don't deserve criticism. Of course they do, but let's get real when it comes to criticising them for things we've completely made up, and for things that every single board in the league would do. Player sales, purchases, tactics etc. is all fair game - the intricacies of board meetings, for me, is not. That's all I'm saying - criticise all you like when it comes to things where we actually have the information available to pass judgement on.

23.) 21 Apr 2018 11:40:51
I totally agree with you 123 and all the talk of lining KL's pockets and running off with the profits was just crazy talk from so called supporters. My take on this is that any other business collapsing in front of you for months would have changed the leadership from board level down to address the situation. I think most things started to go wrong when we were looking for a new owner and for many months nobody was actually steering the ship. If Markus was still the owner the board would have been sent packing before any crisis worsened. The board won't step down if there is no one to make it happen.

24.) 22 Apr 2018 20:15:00
I don't think many organisations would respond to a few bad years by ripping apart the structure that got them there in the first place, as you and most others suggest is required. What they would do, and we have thus far failed to do, is tweak it and really think about what works, what doesn't, when did things stop working, and what changed since it did work.

Think this thread is probably dead now so not expecting a response, but that's my take on our situation as far as the board are concerned. No need to tear everything apart, but an honest re-assessment of where things have gone wrong is clearly needed.



14 Apr 2018 18:03:48
Just like last week, it's really hard to know what to think of today's game. 70 mins of exactly what we've wanted to see, and then all undone in 20.

Biggest positive for me is that not only did we outplay Chelsea for most of the game, but the fire and passion from the players was great to see. I think Hojbjerg might be my new favourite person in the world.

The truth is if not for some really spineless and incompetent refereeing, the 70 good minutes would have been enough to get us the win. Sure, we should have won despite Mike Dean's shortcomings, but still, we were unlucky.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm just so fed up of games being decided by referees' lack of backbone. He was too weak to send off Alonso despite staring directly at the incident. He was too weak to make Chelsea retake a kick twice, despite the second actually being further away from the spot of the foul than the first! In midweek we saw Michael Oliver decide to play god and decide a game by giving a penalty that he would never have given if that game was being played in Turin instead of Madrid. Referees will make mistakes, and I don't mind that. They can't see everything. But many of them simply need to grow a pair.


1.) 14 Apr 2018 18:39:35
As you say, we played very well for most of the game. It took a little while for us to find our feet after a cautious start allowing Chelsea too much space, but once we scored from our first shot, we settled down and played with our tails up. We battled well, were stronger and won most of the 50-50s. The anticipation and pressing was strong and we won the ball back and posed a threat on the counter.

Chelsea came out better in the second half but didn’t create anything really and then we scored a second and it looked like we had done enough to win. What a goal by Bednarek by the way. He had a very good game considering what we’ve seen of him so far and this his premier league debut. Chelsea had offered so little threat after the first goal and the second should have been a killer.

It was Conte’s decision to bring on Giroud that turned the game in Chelsea’s favour. But they won because Saints failed to react and manage the game when Chelsea got a goal back. After the Arsenal draw, I think I both admire and hate Giroud in equal measure. We have a nemesis and his name is Olivier. We switched off at the freekick despite Fabregas having to reset and take it a second time and Giroud was perfectly placed between Bednarek and Hoedt. Alonso (who shouldn’t have been on the pitch) crossed perfectly to bisect our defenders so Bednarek couldn’t head clear and Hoedt couldn’t get goal side of Giroud. JWP should’ve moved over to mark Alonso rather than concentrating more on the referee and the players behind him. Hoedt should’ve taken responsibility for Giroud as with Bednarek watching the cross, he couldn’t see Giroud. Hoedt could watch the cross and the runner. Anyway, it was a good finish but not the end of the world.

The problem was that we then needed to take the sting out of Chelsea, keep the ball, up our work rate which had dropped in the second half. Instead, we sat deeper and invited Chelsea onto us. Some goalmouth pinball later and Bertrand drifted in to mark the far post rather than spotting Hazard stood in space 5 yards away from him. He was ball watching and when the cross came in, Hazard had the time to control and get his shot away.

Rather than reacting positively, we again sat and invited Chelsea on as MH discussed at great length with his assistant what they should do to change things. If he decided on an answer it came to late as he looked up from his play sheet to see Chelsea score their winner. Another set piece, another round of goalmouth pinball, with Hoedt and Yoshi jumping to head the same ball. Yoshi should instead have stepped out to mark Giroud but instead, the Frenchman was left free to stab home his second and Chelsea’s winner. Game, set and match in 8 minutes. From 2-0 down. Another game where we conceded three. MH has got us scoring but if we are to retain any hope now of staying up, we can’t keep defending this way.

Yes, Mike Dean should have sent Alonso off. He seemed to have a clear line of sight to the assault but he didn’t even give a freekick so I can only assume he didn’t see it and was watching the ball and the tackle between (I think) Fabregas and Long, rather than Alonso coming in behind him. I have no idea how and why and if he claims not to have seen it, its as damning as if he did see it and failed to act. It also makes absolutely no sense to tell Fabregas to retake a free-kick indicating that it should be 10 yards away, only for him to get the ball back and play from almost exactly the same place once more but this time letting it go. Making Fabregas retake it forced him to play the ball out to the left flank rather than to the right as he initially intended. JWP should have seen the danger but was looking the wrong way. If Mike Dean had made Fabregas to take the kick from the same place, a pass along the left flank would’ve been more obvious and covered by JWP. If Mike Dean had correctly sent off Alonso in the first half, he wouldn’t be crossing the ball to Giroud.

One final note on Michael Oliver, I’m firmly in the camp that agrees with the penalty shout. It wasn’t soft, a foul is a foul. If a player receives the ball on his chest 2 yards from goal and is pushed by a larger defender coming in behind him trying to steal the ball then it’s a foul. At full speed, it looked like he was pushed over. The replays aren’t as clear except from one angle which is from the assistant referee’s side but a higher angle. There you can clearly see the push comes first and knocks the player forward, before any contact between the defender and the ball. It’s a penalty. You say Michael Oliver was a coward for giving it but look at the reaction. He was very brave to give it given the stage of the game and the contest and a weaker person would claim not to have seen it and turned a blind eye. Real Madrid had screwed the game themselves and Oliver owed them nothing and I doubt he felt pressure to do so. He had managed the game and Real Madrid’s dives throughout the game well. He wouldn’t suddenly change his mind or his approach to suit them.

2.) 14 Apr 2018 22:16:14
Oh and with the wisdom of hindsight, MH will hopefully be slower to sub JWP. His set piece delivery had been good all game, he had an assist and we're chasing a game making set piece delivery crucial. The two attacking freekicks we had after JWP left the pitch were awful.

3.) 15 Apr 2018 11:27:46
Watch out for retrospective action against Marcos.
Hopefully in time for next Sun. He deserves a ban!

4.) 15 Apr 2018 12:32:06
I get that the Michael Oliver one isn’t as clear cut as I think it is, but I do stand by what I said. no way does he give that in Turin.

Also agree on JWP. His set piece delivery is so good that he needs to play 90 mins of every game. You never know what will happen, and we lose one of our biggest threats when he’s not on the pitch. I wish JWP would step up his general play like we all know he can so that he makes himself undroppable even without his set piece prowess.

5.) 15 Apr 2018 14:42:26
Yeah, JWP remains a frustrating player. He’s had good exposure over the last season or two and yet still doesn’t fit into our system. He doesn’t seem to have the vision or intelligence to be an attacking creative player like Kevin De Bruyne, despite good technique. Perhaps, like De Bruyne he will develop a little later, but if he doesn’t have the imagination, I’m not sure its something you can teach.

He also lacks the stamina, physical presence and defensive mindset of a deep lying playmaker at the moment. Stamina and physical presence can be learned, as can defensive reading of the game, but will his passing skillset be utilised in such deep areas of the pitch if he’s breaking up play and likely surrounded by opposition players?

So he’s stuck between a couple of positions really. He hasn’t the pace or trickery of a winger so he’s best suited to a more central role, but finding pockets of space from which to affect play. He would really benefit from some additional coaching to help identify his best position in our system and get him to learn how he can start to control the tempo of games and contribute more in his 90 minutes than getting goals and assists from set-pieces.

6.) 15 Apr 2018 16:55:50
Agree Figo. Personally I think he’s a perfect RM in a 4-4-2, much like Beckham or Bentley (before things went wrong for him) used to be, but he plays in an era when this position simply isn’t part of football. I think if you play him deep you waste his biggest asset: crossing the ball.

Best role for him in modern football is probably the KDB role, and I’d like to see him get a real shot at making that role his own. As much exposure as he’s had to first team football for his age, he’s never really been the centrepiece, but rather a bit part player played too deep or out on the wing, and without a true run in the team.

7.) 16 Apr 2018 08:34:19
It was a disheartening game to watch, to watch a 2-0 lead be destroyed in 10 minutes wasn't just. And knowing that Marcus Alonso has got away with that horrible tackle, shows it was an unfair afternoon. I just MH could have done more to prevent this from happening. Before the first goal, should he have looked at bringing on Lemina for Tadic all JWP, this would have ensured more defensive cover.
I've said it before with JWP, we should have tried to get him out on loan to give him some valuable first time experience. As at the moment his set piece deliveries don't quite make up what he lacks, but his deliveries were ace on Saturday. Not one bad delivery.

8.) 18 Apr 2018 14:14:21
I'd say his set pieces make up for what he lacks enough to play every game personally. Unfortunately they just don't make up for what the Saints collectively lack aha.




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13 Jun 2018 22:53:19
Agreed on Lemina. He's a class above. If we let him get settled in the team with a clear and consistent role, he'll show his true quality. Personally not convinced Hughes is the man to get this out of him (he had a lot of talented players at Stoke and never really made them stars - see Shaqiri, Arnautovic, Bojan, Zouma, Jese and probably more that I've forgotten), but oh well Hughes is the man we got, so please prove me wrong!

The sad thing is, you can already tell that Lemina has bigger things in his future than the Saints. With a bit of refining he is Champs League quality.




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12 Jun 2018 14:50:09
Completely agree with everything Milky said. Loved him when he was here, but we have no need for him now. I suppose if we were to lose Lemina, as has been vaguely rumoured, then I might be a bit more open to it, but even then I'd need some convincing.




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10 Jun 2018 18:59:54
Yeah I can see why people disagree, but although the stats say we were missing chances, watching the games it never felt like we had the creativity. Don't quote me on this, but I wonder how many of these 'missed chances' were genuine chances and how many were half chances. I never got the impression, throughout the whole season, that we had any creativity. Each game felt like an anaemic performance without any spark, rather than a missed opportunity where our finishing let us down.

But as I say, I realise the stats tell a different story.

I wouldn't say no to Alcacer; I just think if we're only going to get 1 big signing, there are people I'd put ahead of him.




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09 Jun 2018 17:23:07
Never heard of him. Sounds like the right sort of player though.




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09 Jun 2018 17:22:34
I'm not convinced by this personally. I don't think an out and out striker should be our biggest priority. We need creative players much more than strikers, so I'd prefer Sisto or Promes.

Can understand people disagree though given our poor shot conversion last year.





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13 Jun 2018 22:46:49
I've always seen Lemina as more of a true box-to-box midfielder than a no. 10. He'd probably still be better than anyone else we have as a 10, but I'd rather see us sign a proper creative talent and play Lemina in a b2b role.

Interesting idea and not something I'd really thought of. To me, more of a plan B though.




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13 Jun 2018 22:44:09
Lets hope they've got some things going on 'under the radar' now then!




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13 Jun 2018 16:43:09
He did look out of his depth a little, but well run teams don't give up on record signings after 7 appearances.




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13 Jun 2018 07:13:51
SaintPaul that’s ridiculous. The guy came in last minute, right before a change in manager. Just because he didn’t set the world on fire from day one, doesn’t mean he ducks, sometimes players take time to settle in and find their role, and unfortunately for Carillo we were in no position to give him that time at the backend of last season.

Yet another example of complete irrationality from Saints fans. That’s the kind of thinking that leads you to ‘do a Chelsea’ and allow quality players to leave without even getting a sniff of the first team. I’m not saying that’s what Carillo is, I’m just saying you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about when you say that he’s not.




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12 Jun 2018 18:18:30
Fair enough mate, I'll have a look there. Thanks for the info! Much appreciated as always.


{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate, he has much better info than I do on this kind of thing.}