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06 Jun 2018 20:12:28
Liverpool apparently now in for Shaqiri. Smart move, cut out the middle man and just go straight for the players we're linked with.


1.) 07 Jun 2018 12:30:36
haha. If 12M is true, I would quite like him here.



08 Apr 2018 11:43:03
Huge game today. Not just about the result, we need to go out there and make a statement that we're not going down without a fight.

If we have a go at them and lose, fine. They're a top 6 team and they're better than us. I'm just not sure I can stand to watch another performance like we saw against Newcastle and West Ham.

As a side note, why does anyone think that Shane Long is the answer for us? The bloke can't score. Southampton fans seem to consistently kid themselves that the grass is greener and change for the sake of change produces results. We did it when we engineered Puel's sacking. We did it throughout Pellegrino's reign, and in sacking Pellegrino as well which already looks like it's not making much difference. Just because long is a hard worker and doesn't have the same accusations of laziness thrown his way as someone like Gabbi, doesn't mean that he's going to suddenly develop the end product that he's never had.


1.) 08 Apr 2018 13:32:14
Just seen the team sheet. apparently our manager disagrees with me!

Shane Long hat-trick and I'll be eating some of the best tasting humble pie anyone could have come 4pm lol.

2.) 08 Apr 2018 15:58:02
Just a slice will do. better performance shame not to get a point really. Arsenal is still arsenal no matter the 11 starting and no shame in today.

3.) 08 Apr 2018 16:42:12
HI guys

Just watched the match two very important points what on earth does the managers past and present see in dusan tadic, he is one of the worst players I have seen in a long long time, he contributes absolutely nothing but the last three managers have all played him does he hold something over the club? second point is our defence is appalling not a decent defender amongst them. No wonder were in this position we can't hold on to a lead, how many games have we been infront and ended up losing I don't care if we stay up or go down I won't buy another season ticket .

4.) 08 Apr 2018 19:22:45
Today we played well
All over the park players actually showed up
Shane held the line up front and our defence were shaky at times but held their own
Even though we lost we played better and if we can take this game onto our next we have a chance against the lesser teams we’ve got to come up against
So it’s not all doom and gloom from today.

5.) 09 Apr 2018 18:40:17
Completely agree Diggy. There were still errors which aren't good enough, but it's time we accept that won't be fixed until next season. They showed fight, which is the big thing I wanted to see.

Also agree completely re. Tadic. I just don't get it. He's consistently poor. There was one moment yesterday when Shane squared it and Tadic had to beat one of Arsenal's defenders to the ball. It wasn't even a 50/ 50.Tadic was favourite to get there, and he just completely bi***d out of the challenge. That, for me, is criminal, particularly in the midst of a relegation scrap. Honestly if I was MH I wouldn't have cared that it was about 10 mins in. I'd have ripped him off the pitch there and then and he wouldn't have got back on it until he'd won 100 50/ 50s on the training pitch. I feel like that is the sort of accountability we lack.

6.) 10 Apr 2018 11:47:20
123 - totally agree. I thought he could have done more to prevent the cross for the (third I think) goal.



25 Jan 2018 20:53:11
Eds are you hearing any names linked to the saints other than Carillo and Promes? Just curious, the rumours seem to all be about those two.


{Ed002's Note - Nicolas Gaitan remains of interest as a loanee but it might prove difficult. Interest remains in Ben Godfrey but nothing can now happen until the summer.}



27 Jul 2017 08:40:09
Patrick Roberts rumours seem to be gathering steam - Eds any idea on whether this is likely, and whether it is likely to be a loan or a permanent transfer?

Think he could be a good buy for us, but personally I wouldn't't want him unless there's at least an option to buy.


1.) 27 Jul 2017 12:17:27
If we want this type of player I don't understand why we didn't get Murphy now of Newcastle. Much better player all round!



14 Jul 2017 16:17:05
Eds any idea what's going on with Chalobah? Seen reports of us linked and some of him signing a 5-year deal with Watford.

Think he'd be a good signing for us and reasonably priced too hopefully with only 1 year left on his deal.


{Ed002's Note - He has moved to Watford S123.}

1.) 14 Jul 2017 17:00:33
Shame, know if we were interested or just rumour?

2.) 15 Jul 2017 15:51:01
Why do you need to know whether we were interested or not? Too late, don't matter, move on guys 😇.

3.) 15 Jul 2017 16:22:27
Just curious.

{Ed002's Note - No. Southampton enquired after two other Chelsea players but not Chalobah. All three have moved on now.}

4.) 15 Jul 2017 18:45:30
Ok thanks for the info Ed (as always)




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30 Oct 2018 06:49:42
I really would like to hear why Josh Sims is not at the club right now. He looked so lively last year and strikes me as someone who could give us a shot in the arm now.

elyounoussi hasn't looked great, and Redmond's lack of end product doesn't seem like its going to change now. We need someone direct, energetic and fearless. And the best candidate is currently out on loan! Ridiculous.


1.) 30 Oct 2018 12:24:22
What surprised me is that the club allowed him to go on loan knowing that we lack (debatable) quality, but obviously depth, in the wings. Other than Redmond and Elyounessi we have no other natural wingers. We got rid of two in Boufal and Tadic while only getting one in Elyounessi. Letting go of Sims baffled me as he would have a better chance to get opportunities this season than the last.

2.) 30 Oct 2018 12:39:47
Totally agree re Sims, A Reading season ticket holder told me that Sims is a shining light in what is so far a poor season for them.

equally frustrating is the comments from Hughes. He seems to think that luck is all that stands in our way to really move up to around 10th.

Bias aside, after 10 games and the football I have seen, we look to be in the bottom 5 teams in the division. Our place in the league, is about right but Hughes would have us believe we have been unlucky.

3.) 30 Oct 2018 12:49:08
Why stop at Sims. Sam mcqueen looks better than targett and harrison reed looked as good as what we have in the middle. To me saints look like they've been playing with fear for a couple of years. like they're being drilled. "whatever you do don't concede, don't lose". any flair player is deemed a risk and Sims was a player who looked like he wanted to get forward as quick as possible. I know rumours of boufal being trouble behind the scenes were rife but he falls under the same umbrella wanted to break quickly and be at the attacking end of the pitch. I don't know how far it can be stretched but whether the takeover and premier league survival has impacted . who knows but I've said for years now, I would rather lose 3-2, 2-1 playing with flair and excitement than what's being happening for years. fear a long cold winter with not a lot to cheer is ahead.

4.) 30 Oct 2018 18:46:48
You’re right razor, a long hard winter.

I admit I was not keen on Hughes in the first place and I am still not sure that a manager with his points to games ratio would still be in a job. Personally, based on Hughes points to games for saints, I can see a relegation battle and having to make a quick appointment again with only a handful of games left to turn things around. Our last 2 manergerial appointments have been beyond poor and worse than CP.

5.) 31 Oct 2018 05:21:59
Completely agree that Hughes attitude and refusal to accept any responsibility is infuriating. That's the biggest reason I want him gone, it's pathetic and childish. Someone who doesn't accept there's a problem isn't going to fix anything.

Don't agree with what you said about McQueen and Reed though Rayzer, think that's just the old 'grass is greener' view. Reed and McQueen have given nobody reason to believe they're better than the likes of Bertrand/ Targett, and Lemina, Hojbjerg et al.

Would like to see a bit more of Armstrong.

6.) 31 Oct 2018 11:15:06
yeah agree there 123. I would definitely like to see armstrong play at no. 10 in a 4-2-3-1- formation. also agree with the grass being greener. we have a decent squad, and reed and mcqueen were highly unlikely to get much gametime. wish sims had stayed though.



05 Oct 2018 08:29:23
Bit out of left field, and not too sure if he'd come after being linked with Arsenal, but Mikel Arteta? I'd have thought we're a reasonable start for his career, since a top 6 team seems overly optomistic with no real experience yet. Michael Carrick is another similar guy that comes to mind, but maybe he's a few years as a number 2 away from being ready to manage.


1.) 05 Oct 2018 20:01:49
Interesting shout. He has played quite an important role coaching at City and I understand he was very close to being selected by Arsenal last summer before they bottled it and went for experience. Not sure he showed much though when he was stand-in head coach for their first Champions league game. Would be quite the gamble. But rather someone like him than any of Moyes, Allardyce, Pulis, Bruce etc. At least if we take a gamble it looks the club are trying to shake us out of this slumber.

2.) 06 Oct 2018 15:23:14
Exactly - I think it's a gamble to hire a manager like the ones you named as well, in terms of risking continuing our current stagnation.

Thoughts on Carrick? Hardly receiving the best tutelage under Mourinho right now but he's always had an outstanding football brain and seems destined for management eventually.

3.) 06 Oct 2018 21:16:33
Carrick still feels a little green around the gills to me. Its one thing being an intelligent footballer playing under good managers and with some of the best players in the world, but we're talking now about the right personality to not only have a good football brain but be a motivator and an excellent coach, someone with an eye for current talent and potential and how best to utilise it.

I'm all for gambling but the risk of failure is much higher with someone with such limited experience. I think managers need to show they have the required skillset and its not as simple as hiring someone who was a good footballer, an intelligent footballer or even a good coach. Managers aren't always the best coaches, nor ex-top pros. I appreciate you understand this more than some.

Its just a bit of a catch 22 because how do you find out if a coach or someone with limited experience is capable without giving them a try? I'm just not sure our pool of options should be so broad as to consider everyone, nor should it be so narrow as to focus just on current managers with or without Premier League experience. I'm happy for the club to take a gamble on someone and stand by them and give them time to make a change. But not such a gamble that the chances of success are intangible guess work.

4.) 08 Oct 2018 00:45:38
Hi guys

Another very disapointing performance,5 points from a possible 24 is quite simply pitiful. We have spent £50m over the summer and we are worse than last season, and we thought that impossible. I will be honest I thought MH was a good choice but we are still facing the same issues, we can't score, we can't defend.
There seems to be a real lack of quality manager potential replacements so we jump from the frying pan into the fire. We now have 2 weeks where presumably the management sit down with MH and training staff and acknowledge what is happening is not acceptable, training whatever is not working and we have to totally rethink our current methods. We are so far away from playing modern possession based football, we struggle to string 5 passes together,
to pass out from the back on the floor is an impossible dream, players lacking confidence, also unwilling to take responsibility, we all know that with this squad we should not be in this situation, look at what Eddie Howe has done at bmth, play attractive football, very competitive score goals keep clean sheets, soccer is not complicated so let's see what happens. coyr.

5.) 08 Oct 2018 22:40:30
I've said it before and i'll say it again . I was absolutely shocked to see that MH had none won two PL games in a row since Nov/ Dec 2016!
And that sums up exactly what we are seeing here. MH does not know how to hold on to a lead or come from behind. What is happening here at SFC is a mirror of his previous managerial appointments. He just doesn't know how to win. Winning games is an absolute prerequisite of not just staying in the PL but being succesful within it.
It's not going to get any better . his past record shows that.

Southampton has to be brave now and accept their mistake (again) . It's not like he has a record of achievement; he has a record of non achievement.

So as a few posters have said, get rid of MH and replace by who?
well MR Black Box . wherever/ however you found M Poch . go do it again!
Or . we are heading out of the PL . and if we do survive, it will be a struggle . for the team and the fans.

6.) 08 Oct 2018 22:51:28
Definitely agree VintageSaint. The board should be telling MH and his gang to step up. It's quite embarrassing that we spent that much over summer break and are in the position we are. Coaching staff needs to change but, as you said, there doesn't seem to be any quality replacement unless we go with a fresh manager who may or may not have better luck.

Our players need to sit down with management and be told they need to work better. This isn't Sunday league it's the best league in the world and if they don't change or even put more effort at simple things like passing, then good riddence.



01 Oct 2018 09:12:24
What's everyone thinking then?

Last year I was a big believer in giving MP time to work. This year I'm torn. On one hand I want us to do the same with Hughes and not become a team that just switches manager with every run of form. On the other hand, I didn't think Hughes was the right man when we hired him, didn't think he was the right man when we extended him, and still don't think he's the right man now!

We have looked completely anaemic, and but for Danny Ings would really be in the thick of the relegation zone right now. I fear even the shot in the arm that Ings gave us could wear off with too much more of this. What worries me most is hearing Hughes talk post-match. No responsibility or accountability, we're always unlucky and he seems to take some bizarre pride in not getting hammered! He loves to say we don't 'manage games' well - I think the issue is the exact opposite. Stop trying to manage games and gauge your intensity according to the situation. Play football with intensity for 90 minutes in every game, and results will come.

My approach - Hughes has a month to turn things around, then I say get someone else in with some time to evaluate the squad before January. I don't like saying this because it's not typically how you move a club forward, but then neither is hiring Mark Hughes so desperate times!


1.) 01 Oct 2018 10:49:52
As you know, I feel exactly the same as you. I don’t rate MH and after 15 games in charge, his points and good record is worse than MP2. Has he made a difference? I don’t think so. Looking at teams like Chelsea and West Ham, with new managers coming in over the summer, new styles of play and looking to get that message across to the players, they were inconsistent at the start of the season (albeit successful as far as Chelsea goes), but the last week has seen them starting to bring things together, be more cohesive and play the new style with more consistency and direction. So surely, if MH was changing things we would see it by now.

Since Koeman, our defence has eroded at a frightening pace. The half court press under his watch was balanced by a stronger attack. Under Puel, that similar approach looked lopsided as our attack faltered. MP2 again took a similar approach but teams had cottoned onto our lack of firepower and could be more adventurous against us. Now, under MH, we commit more bodies forward but that’s leaving us wide open at the back. It was exactly the same problem he had at Stoke. He wants to outscore the opposition every game but fails to see the flaws in the set up of the team. He blames losses on our failure to convert chances, rather than acknowledging too our failure to stop the opposition scoring.

I’m not an advocate for sacking managers after 7 or 8 games if things aren’t going well because I think the club needs stability now. The problem is, they keep on hiring the wrong person as they’ve completely lost touch with the vision and unity that got us back to the Premier League in the first place.

Football has evolved massively in the last decade and I am adamant that some of the old timers have been left behind. Their coaching methods, tactics and approach to the game is no longer good enough to keep up with the new coaching methods brought in by the new generation both home and abroad. Pep is no secret, Julian Nagglesmann, Sarri, Tuchel, Klopp, MP etc. They’re not all young by the way. They are just the new breed of coach/ manager who are looking to innovate and progress and have all found ways of making their teams better and changing the football landscape.

If we want to avoid following the likes of West Brom, Stoke, Sunderland, Newcastle, Swansea, we must look to bring in a new head coach with the ability to revolutionise the way we play football. To create a system and style that will be our blueprint for years to come. Us aside, that’s also what brought Swansea such success but their fate was sealed when they left it behind and went through a string of managers simply hoping for Prem survival each season. We are now in a cycle where we are doing exactly the same. So as far as timing goes, the sooner we correct this error in judgment, the better.

So in my view, our next appointment must be a head coach or manager with an innovative approach who likes the team to play in a way that’s easy on the eye and can make a team better than the sum of its parts. They don’t need to have Prem experience. We then need to give them the time to make the changes they need and give them off the field support to do it. Or endure more torrid football and relegation if not this season then in the near future.

2.) 01 Oct 2018 19:40:34
I agree that we need someone with a new approach but we need to give him time which surely means giving MH his P45 soon. I think that MH is too set in his ways and is unable to change his approach. He has very little idea of how to set up his defence and even though he was a pretty good striker himself he doesn't seem able to get the strikers we have scoring.

3.) 05 Oct 2018 08:28:30
I agree. Young manager with energy, fresh ideas and ambition. The club needs a shake up. The problem is, that is something which is more effectively done over the summer. So I can see an argument that if we think Hughes will keep us up, we should stick with him until then.



10 Aug 2018 21:56:24
Ok, before the season starts, I thought it would be interesting to see what we want from this year. By this I mean, imagine you're the Chairman, what would you be setting as our targets/ expectations?

In my opinion, pushing for Europe is unrealistic right now. I think I'm looking for the following from the season:

- PL finish of 8-12
- Breakout seasons from some key players to establish a more settled squad with leaders and key players established.
- Anything in the cups is a bonus

Basically, for me this season is about re-establishing ourselves as an up and coming club with a more positive mood around the club, and building a foundation to push on from next year.


1.) 11 Aug 2018 09:32:29
Anything better than last year . hopefully more from McQueen, sims and reed. and more direct, exciting attacking football. beyond that. 💁.



08 Aug 2018 07:41:24
From the sound of it, the most likely signings are now Welbeck or Alcacer, and probably on loan. I'd be happy with either on loan tbh, despite my reservations about signing them permanently.





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03 Dec 2018 10:21:04
Sanchez Flores seems to be favourite. I'm 50/ 50 on him. Not Sam, O'Neill or Moyes please. The ones I'd be most excited about would be Bosz, Rogers or Jardim, although they don't seem likely and I saw something saying Jardim has gone to Qatar.

Eds, any insight?


{Ed001's Note - no mate sorry none from me, though Jardim can't speak the language and has rejected offers because of that.}



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06 Nov 2018 21:09:23
Ranieri's an interesting idea. I'd take that over Sam or Moyes for sure.




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05 Nov 2018 19:50:19
Debate is great and I love hearing about people's differing opinions - genuinely I do. I just find it infuriating to see a debate conducted like this one was. I wrote a post arguing against something, only to see a post the next day just saying the matter was closed with the poster clearly right! That's not how a discussion/ debate/ argument, whatever you want to call it, works. Not helpful, and not productive.

Anyway, I've said my bit. Listen if you like or think I'm a @*#$@ if you prefer. Here's to arguing about who to credit for our turnaround in 6 months time, St John!




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05 Nov 2018 14:30:16
Please stop just ignoring all debate and all points made by others. Even more so, please stop writing posts purely to give yourself a pat on the back.




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05 Nov 2018 07:56:03
Got to act early this time. I liked that we gave MP a chance last year but I don't think Hughes deserves the same benefit. Get someone in with a month to evaluate squad before Jan.





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10 Dec 2018 09:17:37
Yoshida has been poor this season when he’s played. I agree Bednarek should start, but beyond him I honestly don’t know. Think I’d be inclined to partner him with Stephens - they’re all mistake prone, but Stephens always shows passion and is quite comfortable on the ball. Could definitely use someone in January, Gary Cahill seems like someone who could get our back line organised!




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10 Dec 2018 09:15:05
Lol st Etienne it’s December. We are by no means down already!




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17 Nov 2018 18:11:47
Makes sense to wait until the board situation settles slightly and let the new people in charge pick their guy, or at least have a say even if RK still calls the shots ultimately. I reckon this will make them a bit more likely to stick with Hughes in the short term, or a caretaker from within if they do decide he's untenable. I actually wouldn't mind the latter.

A few on that list look good to me. I'm still a fan of Jokanovic. Cocu or Bosz would be good.




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07 Nov 2018 09:13:53
Figo that was the biggest circle yet! Nothing new there, you're just reiterating what's been said a lot so I'm not going to write another long response. I strongly disagree with the academy stuff, but the one big thing I would like to correct, because it going beyond opinion to factual inaccuracy, is the 'revamp the black box' point: that just isn't how big data analytics works. You can't just click your fingers and pull an innovative new methodology out of your ass which restores your advantage over EVERYONE else who's trying to do the same thing.

Just hiring some new analyst wouldn't make a difference - they'd be analysing the same data and so would reach the same conclusions. That's the whole point of this, it's not subjective like more traditional scouting. Whoever has the best data is king. For a time, that was us, because we understood its value better than anyone else. But now that everyone understands the value of that product - data - we cannot possibly retain that edge over bigger clubs.


{Ed001's Note - actually that is not quite true. You can change the way you analyse the data, it is very subjective because the weight that is placed on each piece of data is extremely subjective. That is why a club like Brentford can compete while spending much less, in the Championship. They use the data differently from others, they look for things other clubs aren't. No one has more or better data, they just analyse it using slightly different approaches, usually based on the style of play you want to use.

For instance, if you are a passing team, you might put a higher weight on passing percentage over distance covered. The problem is that all of the raw data you have is out of context. That is where subjectivity comes in as you use your interpretation to add the context. It is perfectly possible for interpretation to be tweaked and should be done to suit the team anyway, as well as to provide context to the data to make sense of it.}



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05 Nov 2018 18:40:23
Ok first, I agree with almost every word of the article you quoted, which does a great job of summing up our decline. It picks out poor managerial appointments, lack of impact from signings, stalled academy pipeline and lack of identity/ purpose (this is vital for any brand, and that’s effectively what a football club is) .

What I would ask is what we expected the board to do differently to prevent this?

Managerial appointments – I’ll give you that one! Although I would defend Puel and Pellegrino as legitimate attempts to stick to the ‘Southampton Way’ (albeit they went wrong, and the board are not blameless in this) . Hughes, as I’ve said, is the appointment that I really want answers for. This made no sense to me beyond the short term. Although can I just point out, I’d say the balance of opinion from people on here was that he should be hired permanently in the summer.

Signings – controversial view here, but I don’t blame the board. We excelled when we got promoted because we were at the forefront of using big data and an analytical approach to identifying players – the famous “black box”. This gave us an edge on every other club out there. Other clubs caught on, and we don’t have our edge anymore. It was always going to be short lived, because people were always going to take notice of our success. Us losing our edge isn’t a product of the board being asleep at the wheel, it’s just an unfortunate product of a world where nothing is secret.

Stalled Academy – the board have virtually no control over this. Academy investment is always a long-term endeavour, and no board can control the short term output of that academy. It’s very natural that there would be peaks and troughs in this aspect. It doesn’t help that the ambitions our success gave us make it harder to develop from the academy, since there is less opportunity and flexibility to develop youngsters. I firmly believe that to consider this aspect a failure of the current board is absolutely ridiculous.

Identity/ Purpose – the board have come up short here. The appointment of Hughes is the best example. Carillo signing is another great one. I wouldn’t say they’ve completely lost sight of it, but they’re allowing short-term pragmatism to cloud the vision of what Southampton are supposed to be, and what would give us a chance to get back to where we were. Again, can I just say that we, as fans, don’t help with this. Take the Carillo example – we quite rightly criticise them for that signing now. If they hadn’t bought him, though, we’d all have been quite wrongly criticising them then for not spending any money.

Sorry, bit of an essay, but I just wanted to break down why although I agree with all those points about the clubs decline, I think it’s far too simplistic to just say that’s all the board’s fault. It’s a lot of people’s fault, and partly caused by the fact that the task of establishing a club as a consistent top 10 premiership club is unbelievably difficult. Leicester won the league and still don’t feel 100% stable. There are mistakes in there that are the board’s fault, but I don’t believe them to be sufficient to warrant protest.

Re. the fans, we’re not irrelevant. But at the end of the day we are customers. Customers are incredibly important, and everything you should do should be in their interests. But they’re also short-sighted and often blind to the inner workings and restrictions of the club. For that reason, I say the board should, and seem to, worry more about what’s good for the club and for us than what we think is good for us and the club.

So if you want to protest, I urge you first to read this and decide if you’re directing your anger in the right direction, or directing the passion you have for your football club at the easiest scapegoats, rather than realising that a huge number of people have contributed to the decline Figo described, us included. If you still want to protest, that’s your right. I would 100% agree with what Figo said about doing it in a smart way which achieves the benefits you want with minimum negative impact on what is clearly going to be a difficult relegation scrap.