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25 Jan 2018 20:53:11
Eds are you hearing any names linked to the saints other than Carillo and Promes? Just curious, the rumours seem to all be about those two.

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{Ed002's Note - Nicolas Gaitan remains of interest as a loanee but it might prove difficult. Interest remains in Ben Godfrey but nothing can now happen until the summer.}


 

 

27 Jul 2017 08:40:09
Patrick Roberts rumours seem to be gathering steam - Eds any idea on whether this is likely, and whether it is likely to be a loan or a permanent transfer?

Think he could be a good buy for us, but personally I wouldn't't want him unless there's at least an option to buy.

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1.) 27 Jul 2017 12:17:27
If we want this type of player I don't understand why we didn't get Murphy now of Newcastle. Much better player all round!


 

 

14 Jul 2017 16:17:05
Eds any idea what's going on with Chalobah? Seen reports of us linked and some of him signing a 5-year deal with Watford.

Think he'd be a good signing for us and reasonably priced too hopefully with only 1 year left on his deal.

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{Ed002's Note - He has moved to Watford S123.}


1.) 14 Jul 2017 17:00:33
Shame, know if we were interested or just rumour?


2.) 15 Jul 2017 15:51:01
Why do you need to know whether we were interested or not? Too late, don't matter, move on guys 😇.


3.) 15 Jul 2017 16:22:27
Just curious.

{Ed002's Note - No. Southampton enquired after two other Chelsea players but not Chalobah. All three have moved on now.}


4.) 15 Jul 2017 18:45:30
Ok thanks for the info Ed (as always)


 

 

 

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13 Jan 2018 20:40:37
The thing that frustrates me with people wanting MP gone, is that I still haven't seen one really appealing suggestion of a replacement. There aren't a whole lot of options out there right now that I think would change our fortunes.

I'm open to firing MP, but I've been saying for a while there has to be a plan and a good replacement. Assuming we can't get the likes of Sean Dyche, I think I'd probably give him the season and evaluate at the end of the year. If anyone can suggest anyone that's not Keane, Strachan or some other relic, then please feel free. Only interesting one I saw was Brendan Rodgers, but he's not exactly a sure thing.

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1.) 13 Jan 2018 21:31:44
Martin O’Neill with Keane as his assistant
Or Koeman.


2.) 13 Jan 2018 22:06:11
Gary Rowett has done well in his jobs at Burton, Birmingham and now Derby. Seems to have a pretty quick turn around in improving struggling sides too.


3.) 13 Jan 2018 22:24:05
You mention the relics? O ‘Neill is 65, Hodgson is 70 . Strachan is 60 not quite a relic, what has age got to do with it maybe experience does.


4.) 13 Jan 2018 22:34:54
Thomas Tuchel is still out of a job. If he would come to saints it would be a kind of stepping stone into the premier league before he joins a bigger club. People say that saints would be too small for him after managing Dortmund, however he did come from mainz who aren't that much bigger than saints so this could be possible. Others could include Carlo Ancelotti, although this would be very unlikely, Guus Hiddink, Claudio Ranieri, Manuel Pellegrini, or someone younger like Giggs.


5.) 13 Jan 2018 23:09:33
Rowett is a good shout but I would rather MP2 than Giggs.


6.) 13 Jan 2018 23:46:35
Peter Bosz, Paulo Fonseca, Markus Weinzierl and Brendan Rodgers four names I would have over Pellegrino right now, I’d have loved Gary Rowett but he’s recently signed an extension with Derby.


7.) 14 Jan 2018 00:27:21
Tuchel seems really unlikely, although would be incredible. Ancelotti is a laughable suggestion. In fact, I'm just going to gloss over the entire Bod post because its all just ridiculous.

One I haven't heard that to me would seem plausible is Benitez. Must be frustrated with the situation at Newcastle, so I'd have thought we could be an attractive option for him. Despite our league position we have a better foundation for a winning team than Newcastle.

Shinowski I've never heard of Weinzierl and don't know too much about Bosz and Foncesca as managers, but if the club really liked one of them then I'd have no issue with them firing MP and bringing them in.


8.) 14 Jan 2018 01:40:44
Benitez would be a good shout should we be able to prize him away from Newcastle. In terms of free agents Koeman is my preferred option if only because he succeeded here once before and has a proven track record at the club.


9.) 14 Jan 2018 08:38:10
If rather have Keane as manager instead of oneills assistant. Keane is certainly not a relic. Koeman is laughable. He dropped us in It, stitched us up and he's been found out at Everton. I think he'd lower morale to worse than what it is now. Ancellotti? You're dreaming. Tuchel had no interest in coming in the summer so I couldn't see him coming now. I think Rodgers would do well for us. Rowett would be a good shout but a risk. What has strachan done of not since leaving us over 10 years ago? Nothing. Stop living in the past.


 

 

05 Jan 2018 11:59:12
Ok, time for a more positive post than usual!

Few names that I think we should be interested in and why:

Andy Carroll - has his limitations and i'd rather avoid playing his style of football long term, but I think he offers something we lack and would be a lot of help for the rest of this season in particular. Also think he'd fit very well in a team with Cedric and Bertrand bombing forward and putting crosses in, plus JWP's free kicks. Think Gabbi would get back to his best alongside him also.

Moussa Dembele - Almost a dream signing for me. Complete centre forward with bags of potential. My one concern is that he'd see us very much as a stepping stone. It'd really frustrate me if we saw him go to Brighton as rumoured without any attempt from the Saints.

Ross Barkley - I think we could play him as a CAM, which is where he needs to be. With Spurs interest in him apparently over, and Chelsea having already seen him turn them down, perhaps we would be able to lure him here? Don't see that he has that many better options out there, if, as I suspect, he blew his top 6 chance over Summer. Thoughts on him Eds? Am I being a bit too unrealistic here?

Ryan Sessegnon - Another one where, like Barkley, you're really relying on interest elsewhere not really materialising. A lot of potential and his youth and willingness to run at players would be refreshing down the left. Also the same concern as Dembele; he'd see us as a stepping stone surely.

Also always happy to see new names I've not heard of. There's a guy called Elnyoussi or something like that from Basel who's been mentioned and though I don't know anything about him, based on a wiki search he seems like the type of player who could help.

Walcott and Sturridge, for me, are people to avoid. Don't really see them offering too much different to what we have, and they're short term solutions. For me, Carroll would be more decisive in terms of us grinding out the results we need this year, even though its a less sexy name!

Let me know what you guys think, and please, let's have one post where we suggest solutions rather than overstating/ exaggerating problems, and criticising everyone and anyone at the club!

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1.) 05 Jan 2018 12:37:12
I understand your take on Carroll but what a risk that would be, injured 90% of the time so could be out for the rest of the season, too risky. Barkley good footballer in there somewhere but too much baggage to take a chance with.


2.) 05 Jan 2018 13:16:52
Surely it's less of a risk than the other names rumoured though? Sturridge and Walcott have the same injury issues, especially sturridge, and Balotelli has just about every red flag under the sun! I'd assume Carroll would be a cheaper option than all those players (if not then of course, don't sign him! ), so seems less risky and with a higher short-term reward to me. That's my take on it anyway.

Just seen on SSN Barkley to Chelsea is as good as done, so there goes that one anyway. Typical, saw this minutes after posting!


3.) 05 Jan 2018 14:46:25
I agree I have said this before about Sturridge and Walcott we need somebody match fit and not injury prone question is who and would we pay the money, don’t think we would and they probably wouldn’t come here anyway.


4.) 05 Jan 2018 17:02:33
Bigger issue with studge and Walcott for me is that I actually just don't think they'd help us much when fit.

Studge is very similar to Gabbi, and Walcott is similar to Redmond and quite frankly has just never really proved himself to me. They strike me as signings made just for the sake of adding someone new and well known, rather than because we genuinely feel they offer us something we lack. I also don't see them as culture changers - guys who are going to come in and drag a team in a relegation battle out of trouble. I think they're more likely to be in the Redmond/ Bertrand mould and sulk when things aren't going to plan since they'd feel like they're playing at a level beneath themselves.


5.) 05 Jan 2018 17:13:30
Sessegnon we would have virtually no chance of getting as both Tottenham and PSG are highly interested in him. So unfortunately that rules him out. Would be awesome if he did come though.


 

 

03 Jan 2018 13:06:12
And the prize for ludicrous statement of the week goes to. gtsaint for his quite laughable "we will do a Pompey".

Of course, you buffoon of a man (or woman), we're 17th in the premiership at the start of January, so it's completely inevitable that we will go into administration, be unable to pay our players and borderline fold as a club.

Next week on South-Coast, Diggy blames hot dog vendor for poor results, won't explain why. And the week after that, Saints win 2 on the bounce, fans slam board for not extending Pellegrino's contract yet.

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1.) 03 Jan 2018 16:34:43
What's the problem with diggy 123? He has got his say on here the same as everyone else. We ain't the only one's with our opinion on MP even danny Murphy said on MOTD the team doesn't seem to be playing for the manager.


2.) 03 Jan 2018 17:21:29
No personal problem and of course he has a right to an opinion. It just winds me up when someone can’t/ won’t justify such consistent attacks on one of the people central to our success over the last 5-8 years.


3.) 03 Jan 2018 17:24:12
And my issue is with those ‘fans’ turning on everyone in the club and the entire structure of the club because of a spell of poor form.

It’s these same people who called for puel’s head and are now saying the board were stupid to sack him. It’s pathetic.


4.) 03 Jan 2018 18:35:05
Changing the subject a bit have you read the Krueger interview? Tell you what the should of been a politician cause ever answer was the same to every question. He is completely deluded that there is a problem with our football right now. That's why the fans are up in arms right now cause the board are failing to see the problem nobody can deny what the board has done over the years for the club but they are selling our experienced players for potential players to be good in 2-3 seasons time.


5.) 03 Jan 2018 22:43:16
123 the reasons for my attacks as you call it we're basically my opinion if you don't like them don't read them
My reasons for slating Reed were based on his glittering managerial career which is still top of the list for quickest dismissal for a manager in the premier league of only 8 yes I say 8 games
And he's now running our club I've always said he shouldn't be given such responsibility but he's there for the minute until we find a replacement.


6.) 04 Jan 2018 03:42:59
Ok cool, good to get confirmation that you have no basis for it. Shhh now.


7.) 05 Jan 2018 02:09:21
Reed's record as a manager has little relevance. He isn't being employed as a manager. His success in his current role speaks for itself.

123 - never argue with an idiot.


 

 

02 Jan 2018 23:14:36
It's official. I hate Southmpton fans. We no longer have any right to talk about the 'Southampton way' and how we do things different and better than other clubs when you all have such little patience, and such a moronic desire to assume that any poor form must mean that the entire structure of the club you once praised so proudly must be disbanded. (When I say once, I mean 12 damn months ago! ) .

Also, those of you talking like were already down, look how many people said that about Palace, and they were actually in the damn relegation zone. We aren't.

I agree, we should be looking at alternatives to MP, but last nights result hasn't changed anything as far as panicking and doing it immediately without a replacement in mind.

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1.) 03 Jan 2018 09:33:07
Absolutely! People talking like Reed hasn’t been instrumental in everything we’ve done since 2009 and Cortese was the real mastermind when he literally just signed the checks to someone else’s money

I agree MP has been a bit of a disappointment, there’s been signs of some decent football it’s just not been consistent but just like how not every transfer has been or will be a success not every manager will be - it’s not the backroom staff or KL “cashing in” (surely a successful club with a squad full of great players would be worth more than a relegated one with poor players? )


2.) 03 Jan 2018 12:53:03
Nice to see another reasonable person on this site sainty. It actually amazes me how fickle our fans are; thank god the board doesn’t listen to them.

Also agree about reed, he’s done some great work and the person criticising the bloke - screw it I’ll name him, Diggy - refuses to or is incapable of even explaining why he is so resolutely against him. I can’t see any reason to blame les for what’s gone on, but hey I don’t have the same psychic ability to understand everything that goes on behind the scenes as some others on here have got.


3.) 03 Jan 2018 22:17:33
Entertaining 😂.


 

 

28 Dec 2017 01:34:42
I think people thinking we'll go out now and spend 75 million on new players in the same way as I would on FM will be disappointed.

a - the way these deals are structured, it's not as simple as us waking up on January 1st with 75mil in the bank.

b - I think we'd have been looking to add a few players anyway, and I doubt this will change too much since we bought VVD's replacement in the Summer.

c - The board aren't going to just go out and smash our wage structure still. We can argue all day over whether that's overly conservative, stubborn or just prudent (I think the latter), but it won't change things.

I do think we need to add a GK and a CAM type player, though I think a CAM who can make a real impact this year will be tough to find. GK is a quick fix though, and if we'd had a competent one through the first half of the year then I think we'd be about 10 points better off right now.

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1.) 28 Dec 2017 05:46:49
I totally agree plus I think there are other issues as well, Yoshida commented recently that the players were unhappy that Puel was sacked and also Fonte tweeted a comment about Bertrand so perhaps other developments are about to come into the open. Let's also not forget we have a new owner who funded the club purchase himself so there is no guarantee that all the money will go to new players. Watching the players come off the pitch after the Spurs game Lemina looked very unhappy and presumably just having left Juventus and Champions League football, he presumably is not impressed with his career choice. Let's face it would you trust MP spending your money? I also think that this VVD deal is the last one where Saints buy cheap and sell dear, many of the other clubs have possibly overtaken us and our vaunted black box and I fear mid table and survival is going to our future as a club. I think we need to look long and hard at Sean Dyche and Burnley as that seems the way forward for a club like ours. We do not have the glamour of the London or Northern clubs or the fanatical support or numbers. It has always bothered me that since we moved into St Mary's we have rarely consistently sold out and there is no demand to increase the capacity which is a failure in itself. We live in an affluent area and the closest Premier League football is Bournemouth with 12,000 capacity who are a relative newcomer or Brighton. I feel that if we sack this manager the next choice is absolutely vital for our credibility as a club and where we are going in the future otherwise I am not confident the future looks bright at all. Your thoughts guys . Regards vs.

{Ed001's Note - would you take Dyche as the manager? I think he could easily make the step up, he does some brilliant things with Burnley, despite the constant moaning in the media about not getting the credit he deserves.

For instance he has turned discipline into fun by installing a wheel of fortune at the training ground. Each infraction a player makes gives them a spin on the wheel and they have to do the forfeit the spin gives them. No one wants to do the forfeit because they totally embarrass themselves and all their teammates are there to laugh and poke fun while recording it on their cameras for later, but they are all desperate to get their mate a forfeit so they are quick to 'snitch' if their mate has broken the rules and drop them in it so they can laugh at them. Dyche has made it so no one willingly breaks the rules and so the other players will make sure he knows when they do. That for me is brilliant management and you can see why his players absolutely love him and want to play for him.}


2.) 28 Dec 2017 08:25:26
Good post Vintage with some very sensible observations. My main concern is that if we keep loyal to our tradition of being prudent it may turn round and bite us very nastily in the behind. The situation at St. Mary’s is probably the most wobbly it has been since our return to the PL. The board can not sit on their hands and let the games tick down until the crisis deepens to the point of no return. A couple of posts mentioned that on our current points tally of 19 at half way doubling that as a guide to where we would be after 38 games would probably still mean relegation. I personally can’t at the moment see where the next win is coming from, I really can’t. We have the sale of VVD to potentially get us out of this, other sides are not so fortunate as us to have these kind of funds available ( of course whether the board makes it available is another matter ) We obviously are not getting all the money straight away but it is coming but of course minus the sell on fee. We must act right now, many won’t admit it but we are currently the poorest side in the division. People say we can’t keep changing managers which I sort of agree with but MP is the exception. He is totally at sea and needs changing immediately, as you know changing a manager usually gives the team a short term lift and boy do we need that. Don’t wait it will be too late.


3.) 28 Dec 2017 08:27:51
Hi ed, Thank you for your in depth response, I would take Sean Dyche at a heartbeat, he has produced a team that is hard to beat, never say die playing excellent football. I watched the game where they beat Everton 1-0 away and in the move producing the goal they strung 34 consecutive passes together before scoring. I am also impressed how he develops players e. g. Jack Cork who was a Saints player who we sold to Swansea, and who has really developed, a sad loss. It demonstrates that you can produce a team without spending a fortune, and without parking the bus and for the most part Uk players. It makes a nonsense of Mourinhos comments about not having enough money to spend.! Regards vs.

{Ed001's Note - the more I talk to players and coaches that have worked with Dyche the more impressed I get. I didn't understand why Everton never went all in for him rather than Silva.}


4.) 28 Dec 2017 08:34:12
Why would Dyche come to us we appear to be in disarray . Lemina said his ankle wasn’t right recently so hopefully that’s the reason for his performance however Romeu want great either. See we are evens for Walcott now depends on the fee and wages whether that’s a good move or not. Other than that we need a pelle type player wood would of been ideal and Mitrovic says he wants to leave and his goal ratio for Serbia is inpressive.


5.) 28 Dec 2017 09:36:32
Could be Sean Dyche is just having one of those one off seasons like Ranieri did at Leicester and we know what happened to him. I like Sean Dyche seems a mans man but to be honest can’t see any chance of him coming here, why would he.?


6.) 28 Dec 2017 12:16:27
I think dyches great but would he take the job in its current turmoil? No doubt usually you’re a very stable and reliable club but the farce with players wanting out, lack of form, money needing to be spent, it’s not an easy job when he can st where he is with Burnley and either way and challenge for. Europe, even if he doesn’t achieve it the club is happy to be a part of the ride.


 

 

 

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17 Feb 2018 15:29:12
You should start booing him whenever he screws up. would be funny! But when it's your football team, no need to boo. it's not even just the booing, it's the constant groans and general attitude which just kills the team.

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15 Feb 2018 22:37:16
Really well said Figo. The big point I'd like to add is that the team receive nothing from the fans at home. It's all well and good, and your right, to be negative on here. But please, if you're going to call yourself a Southampton fan, do not boo the team after 20 minutes of a game ever again. That's when teams need the fans to give them a boost. When every safe pass draws a groan, it's difficult to have the confidence to play well.

I'm not saying the team don't deserve blame for their subpar performances this season, but it's time we accept that we need to help rather than hinder. I think if there's one thing that gives the teams around us an edge, it's that their fans support them when they're down and create an atmosphere. It comes across as if some people almost want us to go down at this stage. You refuse to see the positive that much. (The conspiracy theories have actually gone beyond making things up about our transfer dealings or Les Reed to bs about our owner having a dodgy bet on us going down. Someone really said that. )

Say what you want on here, and I do see why you find it hard to be positive at the moment, but when you're at the game back the team.

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09 Feb 2018 15:23:32
No you're right we'll never know, so hey, let's just assume the worst about the club. That's the new Southampton way, right?

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07 Feb 2018 14:34:00
sfcphill are you saying Southampton didn't actually want Promes but just wanted to make a show of wanting him, or have I misunderstood you?

If you are saying that then where did you see it/ how do you know this?

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02 Feb 2018 15:17:55
Considering one of the big criticisms of him is his failure to do exactly that - react in game and make proactive changes - I personally think it is only fair that we recognise when he does do that.

Regardless of this, my main point stands though: it's time for us fans to acknowledge that we are one of the biggest contributors to the struggles the team are having. I for one don't think a manager change will make too much difference (although it's probably time to fire him anyway) because any manager is coming into such a hostile situation. If he goes 1-0 down in his first game, then that'll be game over and he'll have "lost the fans" as someone said about MP.

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14 Feb 2018 21:18:18
SaintUS that is ridiculous.

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02 Feb 2018 15:29:06
I think Mark Hughes would be a good shout as a short term option; he has the experience to keep us in the league this year. I don't think he's the right appointment beyond this season though, so for me it would depend if he was interested in managing us just for the rest of the season.

Marco Silva I'm torn on - I wouldn't hate it if we hired him but I do think we're causing ourselves a problem in 1/ 2 years when he wants to leave.

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23 Jan 2018 13:19:41
Like Figo, I don't agree with you when you say the board aren't proactive. Whatever you think of the Puel decision, it was a proactive move to not be satisfied with 8th and chase further improvement. If anything, they were too proactive there. I also agree with Figo on VVD - they were in a difficult situation. If we'd just caved and sold him, you'd criticise that. So they gambled, kept him, and it didn't work. Either way you would be criticising the board for their handling of that situation, so they really couldn't win.

I think it's difficult for the board to recruit during this window because they're looking at players who have long-term potential in line with our ambitions to challenge the top 6, yet are willing to join a team in our current (albeit hopefully short term) situation. Personally, I still think it's the right approach to be looking for players that fit our long term vision rather than going out and signing players in a panic to stay up. I'd like to think (though I'm less and less confident! ) that we still have enough quality to get ourselves out of this situation. That said, Promes please!

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22 Jan 2018 21:27:47
Well put figo, and completely agree that somone like Promes would be a great addition, for Gabbi and for the team. To me the criticisms of Gabbi are unfair, and just scapegoating him because he has quite a nonchalant manner about him. We can surely all see that Long as your key striker and goalscorer is simply not an option? I love him for his work ethic, but he's just not good enough in my opinion. Keep him for bursts of energy and pace as a sub, sure, but he should be nowhere near the starting 11 (only exception I'd make would be as winger/ second striker against the top 5 - he can chase them around all day and he does have pace on the break) .

VS, you really should drop the Stephens thing! Can't really add to figo's extensive breakdown, but you're just wrong on that. Players attack different channels, with key men like Stephens and Hoedt as the main targets Ward Prowse would be aiming for.

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22 Jan 2018 15:36:42
Haha mate I got Moussa Dembele for 7 million on FM - why don't the board just do that! this running a football club lark is easy!

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