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06 Jan 2018 14:42:45
Great to see sims back from injury and on the bench. come on you saints!




30 Dec 2017 19:32:52
Van dijk who? in all seriousness what an absolute amazing performance from our defensive unit and all. no telling what that will do for confidence. if only Tadic had of gone down like he'd been shot when Ashley young elbowed him. wonder if he'll face retrospective.


1.) 30 Dec 2017 19:51:05
Where did that come from, got a feeling FF has played his last game this season McCarthy did exactly what he doesn’t do commanded the area and came out of the 6 yard box with confidence. Why has it taken so long to get him between the sticks? Do you think us telling the club for ages has helped. Man U were pretty poor, Boufal and Hojbjerg were outstanding.

2.) 30 Dec 2017 20:44:11
Agree with the most of what you said, especially about Mccarthy. But I thought Boufal was pretty poor today. So many passes going straight to United players. But we defended very well today. Very tense game shouting at the TV as always though.

3.) 30 Dec 2017 22:27:21
May I say I am not in agreement with a fair few of my saint fans inregard to FF he's a great goalie that souldn't be underrated more over be valued. Yes he hasn't been at his best this season but he's committed himself to saints that would never be taken granted.

You wishful guys out there may wish he players for Liverpool in a couple of weeks time?

Personally I hate the fact we again in process of going backwards as we paid indirectly the 200 million backk to Southampton new owners.

Only another 125 million to go! I've been asking for while they invest some money to buy Eastleigh FC so it becomes just like a Barcelona B team.

It can become our Academy's wing to bring through many more youth players! This way they can share our training ground as there is no conflict of insterest and would safe costs. I hope you guys agree with me?

4.) 30 Dec 2017 23:47:36
Ff is a good keeper. He's been suffering with awful form for a year. He's lost his club and country place which isn't a decision taken lightly I'm sure. What I saw today from McCarthy us a gk commanding his area, who looked mobile and ability to get down with good decision making. I don't know whether Ff lost confidence after his injury or having a crisis of confidence but a gk instills the confidence throughout the team. Ff has caused anxiety amongst the back four.

I'm not saying McCarthy totally has sorted that today but it was great to see a goalkeeper claiming crosses and holding low shots as opposed to shoveling them away. he deserves to start again Tuesday.

5.) 30 Dec 2017 23:54:32
I disagree with almost everything you said there 4th. Some of it just makes zero sense, and he bit about FF I just don’t really understand your point. We should be grateful he’s been awful, because that way he won’t leave?

6.) 31 Dec 2017 09:55:08
Ok 123 you have your views fair play.
All I am saying he's out of form and for a while so deserved to be dropped. However, I am hoping that my follow saint fans can tamper their views to be more constructive and suport him in both good and bad times. Reaching out to a player in bad form can make a player feel better about themselves.

Please step into his shoes right now and ask yourself how would you be feeling?

Nobody sets out to have a bad day at the office but it happens to us all from time to time. Believe me FF has the ability to be a top top player when his form returns. You guys can help make the difference by giving him the support when he needs it the most. FF has committed himself to Saint for rest of his playing career that shouldn't under valued in my view.
Imagine how you would feel if you saw with own eyes the difference you made when his form returns?
I remember when he returned form injury after several months out and kept 6 clean sheet in a row and we shot up the league table because of that form.
We are suppoters So please please support him when he needs you the most.
Sing his name while he sits on the bench over the next couple of weeks he will train harder and feel better about himself because that support. Slowly his form will return because you did your job and supported him.
Believe me it's a win win. Don't be a hen pecker choose to be a supporter.

7.) 31 Dec 2017 10:27:50
Not trying to be cynical but when you say he committed his future to Saints I don’t know what you mean, if you mean he signed a contract then that is not a commitment. VVD signed a 6 year contract and then look what happened. I don’t want to run FF down too much but your point of the clean sheet business was primarily down to our top class defence at the time and if you look at his shots against and save ratio it wasn’t that impressive. FF is a fair keeper at his best but not flexible enough to play at PL level in my opinion. Don’t know why but watched McCarthy yesterday and felt confident. Might go pear shaped on Tuesday who knows but his all round ability and reading of the ball seems superior to FF on this single occasion. We’ll see what happens.

8.) 31 Dec 2017 11:59:27
That's a very human and kind view you've taken with regards to FF 4thelove. if I were to step in FF sizeable boots right now I'd feel embarrassed at being paid £70+k a week, putting in shocking performances, losing my England and saints place. I'd feel like I needed to seriously up my game, train harder, work harder, play much much better and battle to regain the trust of my manager, teammates and fans. He should have been dropped a while ago and they stuck with him. fair enough. But he has been very poor for sometime.

9.) 31 Dec 2017 12:33:18
Believe he may actually be our top earner .100 grand a week. that would make me feel a bit better about things while my beautiful girlfriend waited at home while I drove to the golf club in my sports car.

10.) 01 Jan 2018 05:33:41
Of course we’re all entitled to our views 4th.

I don’t see your point about criticisms hurting him, I highly doubt FF is reading these posts and part of his job as a professional footballer, and a well paid one like that, is to be thick skinned and deal with criticism. The media and fans pay his salary, and they have a right to openly debate his performances. So in the nicest possible way, I don’t really care how the criticism feels for him.

Bad days at the office and dips in form happen, but this has gone beyond that now. It doesn’t help that by all accounts, including one of the Eds on the site, his work ethic could be better. I’ve seen many interviews in which he blames bad luck for his poor performances, which tells me he’s not likely to turn it around quickly.

I haven’t criticised him unduly, but he needs to be dropped. Of course, if he works hard and makes himself our best option again, or is called into action due to injury, then he’ll have my support again.

Support unwaveringly during games, criticise fairly in between them. Your approach may make sound nice, but it is of little help.

11.) 01 Jan 2018 12:10:58
First off happy New years guys and girls I hope your year is filled with hope joy and love.

I like you 123 you are the ying to my yang.
you always make some sound points from an opposite side the fence.
I think it's safe to say we are all frustrated saints fans right now and have been for a few years with all the coming and goings!

We've seen and have had and still have some world class players on our books but It's unlikely we are going to win anything I'm afraid to say because we've had real chances to win something other then just pride.
Because we've had some exciting players but the club's steadbillly has been far more important then boom and bust that has happen to us other clubs in the past. meaning they chose to sale players for profit few times. Because of this players have lost faith in the clubs direction. They in turn has focus their mind to put themselves first.
This great club has been run well since we saw the back of Rupert Low.

Until we've paid back the other 125 million back to the new controlling we won't compete against the top boy's like it or not that's reality of it.

It's why I feel we should focus on buying Eastleigh Fc and being them up to league one as an academy wing So we can develop 80%
Of our first team from it and we need to be ruthless about it if each player hasn't made half a dozen first team by the time they are 21 thanwe should sod them off. This way we can complete and keep the players as we won't need to balance the books. We then keep a group of players together as they develop together it's likely they would become firm friends giving them a team spirit and unbreakable bond.



21 Dec 2017 06:09:02
Good morning all . so who would you all like to see in out in the transfer window. eds any transfer news at all of solid foundation?
Many thanks as always and merry Christmas to all, be safe.


{Ed002's Note - Nothing new at this time.}

1.) 22 Dec 2017 09:47:54
REckon vvd will go if the right offer comes in nobody could say he has looked good since his return. Could see long and Davis going if the right deal came in wouldn’t mind Mitrovic from Newcastle for the right money and a traore from borough type player for out and out pace. Think midfield should be Lenina/ Romeu and Hjiberg now if all fit.

2.) 22 Dec 2017 12:41:08
Not sure about mitrovic. the type of player I think is exactly what we need but his personality I think is a bit too fiery. not sure wouldn't mind that traore but again reminds me a bit if boufal. needs to try something 100 times for it to come off. I would like to know what's happening to the black box. we are actually spending a lot of money on transfers . lemina looks quality and boufal I hope will come good but where are the unearthed gems we were so good at finding. its like the whole "Southampton way" has totally changed.

3.) 22 Dec 2017 19:21:37
I think we sell VVD to bolster our attack because Mr Goa won't spend any money this season who we buy? God knows? Cause we haven't bought a well known name since Charlie Austin.

4.) 23 Dec 2017 17:42:57
^ Was Mane a well known name? Or Pelle, VVD even Lambert when we got him?

Hal Robson Kanu, Stephen Ireland and Mame Diouf are all pretty well known though. Being ''well known'' isn't the be all and end all.

5.) 23 Dec 2017 20:37:51
Sorry sainty the black box hasn't worked this season or last we are selling ready made player's and replacing with player's with potential to be good player's in 2 or 3 seasons. We will have so much potential with not enough experience to integrate with look how well it did with Arsenal?

6.) 25 Dec 2017 20:22:11
Long seriously needs to go. He has done nothing. Redmond needs to starts scoring, the same as Gabbiadini. Hojberg has been very solid in the last few games he has played and he needs to be a more regular starter. I don't mind if VVD goes as long as he doesn't go to liverpool. Would prefer him to go to either Man City or Barca. In regards to players in we need someone to replace long. Either someone young on loan who still has good quality, such as brahim diaz. A legend to return such as pelle, an older, class striker such as torres, or someone in their mid 20's such as paco alcacer. Then we might start winning. anyway, tis the season to be joyful, so merry christmas and a happy new year.

7.) 26 Dec 2017 21:28:54
ponykeeper83 for god sake we're not Arsenal, get real. It got them 4th for years. I'll take that!

8.) 27 Dec 2017 01:48:34
C'mon 123 I was using arsenal as an example but yeah I would take 4th and champions league football any day.

9.) 28 Dec 2017 01:19:51
But the point is of course we are doing that. If we sell a star to Liverpool, City etc. then we can't go out and get someone in of that quality, because players of that quality want to go to Liverpool, City etc.

So our only option is to look for players with the potential to be that good one day, as we did when we signed all of these top players we're selling. Hopefully, a few come through at the same time, with a similar effect to what we've seen with Spurs over the last few years.

The black box is an effective scouting/ player analysis system. It's not a magical star player vending machine.

As a side point, does Lemina not count as a big name? We got him from Juve for god sake, hardly a diamond in the rough.



30 Aug 2017 18:19:08
Couple of things away from the constant drone of vvd and alike. congratulations to billy sharp for continuing to perform and score goals, always felt you should of been given a chance in the prem, also jay rod for looking fit, sharp and scoring goals good luck to both . now back to the usual.

shane long rumoured to Celtic that surely can't happen and I would still like a forward to come in.2 nil nils in games that on paper we should be winning feel that a plan b (direct target man) bought on in the last 10 minutes could bag us the points. who would everyone like as their deadline day signing?


1.) 30 Aug 2017 18:24:50
Anybody! Bet we sign no one it's the saints way!

2.) 30 Aug 2017 18:52:39
Glaringly obvious that we need a target man.

3.) 30 Aug 2017 18:56:01
I fancy Anthony Knockaert from Brighton, fast and deadly in front of goal. He would probably come here if we paid enough. I rate him and he would work well with Gabby.

4.) 30 Aug 2017 19:51:39
Costa on a three month loan (lol) but more seriously Origi permanently.

5.) 30 Aug 2017 21:22:29
He'd probably have a punch up with Oreol in the warm up.

6.) 30 Aug 2017 21:57:27
A few teams seem to be in need of a target man, I agree origin could be a good option, not necessarily a target man but a decent player who gives 100% every game.

7.) 30 Aug 2017 22:37:50
He's off to Europe according to SSN.

8.) 31 Aug 2017 13:13:18
Sky sports reporting VVD has left the training ground in a blacked out car? Where is he going?

9.) 31 Aug 2017 14:27:06
Home after training?



14 Aug 2017 17:30:42
So takeover is just gao, not lander and its personal investment being reported? Is this correct eds and what does this mean money available regards transfers, growth etc?
Excuse my ignorance but I don't understand the full workings of business and takeovers and gao personal worth and ability to invest. many thanks in advance to anyone that can help.


{Ed002's Note - It means taht the ownership has changed. Money for transfers comes from what the club earns. FFP limits what they can invest this season although they can throw money at the club next season if they make certain provisions. However, the income is such that it should not be an issue in any case.}}

1.) 14 Aug 2017 18:35:34
Thanks ed, wasn't sure if the fact it wasn't lander ownership would affect any finances. thanks for your time to reply and the info.

{Ed002's Note - The club, like all EPL sides is very healthy given the additional media income (and hence the delay over the price).}




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02 Feb 2018 21:35:49
Please don't shoot me down as I'm just asking questions. my facts might be wrong so please put me straight. but am I missing something with Silva? I mean he's a talented young coach. relegated in the 5 months he spent with hull then sacked from Watford because he wasn't professional enough after Everton were sniffing around? Doesn't scream life saver and reliable to me.


1.) 03 Feb 2018 09:39:59
Totally agree Rayzer.

2.) 03 Feb 2018 09:50:09
I personally wouldn’t want him as a long term appointment because of his clear desire to manage a big club. However, it may be that the Watford sacking has given him a bit of a reality check and a little humility. Who knows? Only MS really.

It’s a little disingenuous to say Hull were relegated under his stewardship. When he took over from Mike Phelan in January, Hull were rock bottom of the league with a record of 3 wins, 4 draws and 13 losses. 13 points in total. Hull also sold two of their best players – Jake Livermore and Robert Snodgrass in January. Silva took over a club that had learned how to lose, was a defensive mess and blunt in attack, sold its best players and he had to manage what was left and a number of loan signings brought in.

Hull won 6 and drew 3 of their remaining games under Silva, notably taking all 3 points against Liverpool. They lost the other 9 games but 21 points from 18 games saw them move up to 18 and miss out on relegation by just 6 points by the end of the season. Their turnaround under Silva was remarkable given the first half of the season and the consensus was that if he had been at the helm all season, then they probably would have stayed in the league.

Prior to this, Silva had managed Estoril (win % of 47 %) winning the league and coach of the year, Sporting (59%) winning the league, and Olympiacos (79%) winning the league.

At Watford (who had finished 17th in the league, one place above Silva’s Hull) he continued to work wonders, seeing his team to a blistering start to the season and sitting in 4th place in the Premier league this season before Koeman was sacked by Everton and they started to show an interest in him. 15 points from those first 8 games and losing only one. As we all know, from that point, things all went a bit pear shaped as Watford lost all semblance of the team they had been. It wasn’t a gradual erosion, it was an overnight thing. Hence the widely held agreement with Watford’s statement after Silva’s sacking that he had lost focus following overtures from Everton. They turned Koeman’s head so we can hardly blame Silva that he saw Everton as an exciting opportunity. But the timing was all wrong for everyone and in the end, it hurt Everton, Watford and Silva.

When focused, he has proved he can manage big teams and little teams to a very high standard. If he could turn Hull’s and Watford’s fortunes around, he could do the same with us. The real question is whether he could commit himself to a club of our size. The realistic answer is no, not for the long term, but he may be willing to take the opportunity to remind everyone what he is capable of after such a poor end to his Watford career.

3.) 03 Feb 2018 11:52:23
Today's game will be crucial but I think if we lose
He's gone
I'd have silva to get us out of this mess eve.

4.) 03 Feb 2018 14:54:43
At least he has fielded an attack minded team, would have preferred Gabi alongside Carillo with kept on bench in a 442 formation. Good luck you reds.

5.) 03 Feb 2018 15:58:43
I think Gabi has a knock.

6.) 03 Feb 2018 17:20:33
Its wonderful to win and to jump back up the table. Things are still ridiculously tight and we a tough game against Liverpool coming up but then a few more winnable games after. We have to take the positives from this good result and build on it.

Also, if the commentary I heard was correct and that our fans booed Long when he came on and cheered sarcastically when he missed a simple header on goal, they need to shut the F up. His confidence is already shot to bits and it doesn’t help if the first thing you hear when you step on to the pitch is your own fans booing you and then jeering every miss. He’s our player coming on the pitch to do his best . Life is so much easier for players if they step out on the pitch and feel the supporters behind them, rather then tension, anxiety and anger directed at them and their teammates. We can’t afford the relationship between players and fans to break down.

7.) 04 Feb 2018 00:17:01
Figo, there were boos from West Brom fans for long, didn’t hear to many from saints fans. If there were then of course I agree, they should shut it.



31 Jan 2018 20:29:17
I have never seen anything so blatant. no options no ideas no clue . we will be here all night and will never score. we are royally effed.


1.) 31 Jan 2018 20:36:43
In big big doodoo. Why is Carillo warming the bench?

2.) 31 Jan 2018 20:39:14
Brighton's away form seems to have got better
When will change occur?

3.) 31 Jan 2018 20:55:57
Finally formation changed to 442 with Guido on up with Shane.

4.) 31 Jan 2018 21:54:05
MP talked up the two games this week as being massive for the club. He even talked about beating Brighton and needing to kick on and keep winning. Then he picks a line-up with Steven Davis in the heart of our midfield, JWP wide right and Shane Long as our lone striker. Where’s the attacking intent in that? Why’s Carrillo on the bench?

Its not surprising we were under the cosh until the penalty. At half time, MP made changes to take the game to Brighton and in the second half, we did just that. But too late as it turned out.

I’ve tried throughout the season to defend MP but even I’ve run out of excuses and patience now. I cannot understand the side he sent out. I wouldn’t consider it our best side, let alone our best attacking side. It wasn’t even our best defensive side. It was just….11 players from the senior squad. This in a game we needed to win. Bizarre.

Marco Silva, if you don’t fancy a long term job with us, how about 13 games?

5.) 31 Jan 2018 22:06:46
Figo, thanks for summing up how most (not all) feel. Bang on, he has to go.

6.) 31 Jan 2018 22:55:45
It's got boring now but enough is enough
Les and rocket need to relieve him of his duty he's like a wounded animal who's got nothing left
Just kill him off and move on.

7.) 01 Feb 2018 08:12:46
Agree, (not about the killing though),
the whole country can see this, so why not the board
Will a replacement occur, I'm not sure it will, the board have publicly stated it
I hope we find a solution soon,



31 Jan 2018 19:26:46
Our last 4 signings have been transfer records. all 4 on the bench. hmmmmm.


1.) 31 Jan 2018 20:09:08
All 4 likely to be playing elsewhere when we are relegated.



31 Jan 2018 16:54:34
Watching the transfer window and though I have total trust and faith in the board and mp. why do I feel like we're missing out . watching all the other teams around us make what look like decent deals. I'm not saying I want us to waste money on just anyone but a new face can sometimes make all the difference. I always get disappointed deadline day.


1.) 31 Jan 2018 18:43:55
Another amazing transfer window for everyone who have ambition.



20 Jan 2018 09:37:17
Crystal ball time. its 1st February . how does your saints starting 11 / bench look?


1.) 20 Jan 2018 13:33:12
I would imagine there won't be much difference
If pellegrinos still here but I won't expect him to be if we lose tomorrow.

2.) 20 Jan 2018 15:13:11
It does feel as you said. lose tomorrow and manager could very well be gone, gives some time for incoming manager in the window. not as much as perhaps they'd like and the board would have to move fast. something they aren't renowned for. On a different subject listening to tiss talk about Walcott and the package he was offered, seems like we did do everything we were prepared to do to get him but shows the gap of our financial power compared to others.

3.) 20 Jan 2018 20:16:57
Why have they kept him so long? I have tried to think of a sensible reason but failed miserably. CP would still be here now if it wasn't for the VVD saga which many of you have described as the reason for the poor form this season and the current managers problem. The problem with VVD started whilst CP was here but we sacked him, crazy. Look where Leicester are now, got a feeling the main problem we have is not just the manager it goes above that to board level.

4.) 21 Jan 2018 09:38:26
So you weren’t among the huge group of fans (it was most of this forum) calling for Puel to be sacked and booing the team at the end of last season Chris?

5.) 21 Jan 2018 10:26:11
Absolutely not I think he was treated shabbily. We spent along time after RK went appointing a new manager and when CP came in to the frame I dug as deep as I could and found that he was a well respected and capable manager. I actually put forward on this very site the idea of appointing him. Ed 002 responded to this and suggested he was a good choice. I never called for CP to be sacked. I rated him.

6.) 21 Jan 2018 10:46:10
And re. the sensible reasons, here's a load for you Chris:
-The board seem to feel that they hamstrung MP a little bit during the first half of the season with the VVD saga. So if you think that's the case, it makes sense to give him the rest of the season to prove himself without that hanging over the team.

-Regardless of whether you're after Strachan, Keane or whoever, it seems clear there is no obvious replacement and not an abundance of options out there to replace him, and all the experienced PL managers you turn to in a relegation scrap are gone. It makes sense in that scenario to wait until the summer when you can properly assess the options.

-MP has only had 6 months. How many people, in all walks of life, struggle when they first start a job and take some time to get going. However bad we've been, he's only had 6 months and that isn't enough time to stamp your mark on a team. I know that doesn't usually save managers, but it's still true.

-Let's remember the problems started under CP last year. It's not like MP is the cause of the bad football we're playing, that started under RK in my opinion but certainly last year under Puel. It shouldn't ALL be blamed on MP.

Personally, I'd have fired him. But if you can't see the above reasons why it might be logical to keep him around, that's testament to what I said about the people on this forum being steadfast in their pessimism, to the point of it just being moaning and scapegoating. And these were just off the top of my head quickly!

7.) 21 Jan 2018 12:22:28
In reply to Rayzer’s post for Saints team for 1st Feb, I’d predict this:
Cedric Smalling Hoedt Bertrand
JWP Davis Mata/ Wilshere
Long (Austin plays when not injured) Ings/ Sturridge

So that’s me signing:
•Joe Hart from Manchester City (end his loan deal with a West Ham IF he not their first choice ‘keeper, and I’m not sure if loan rules allow another club? But if able, we should take him on loan for rest of season - to play and improve both Forster and McCarthy’s ability and form)
•Chris Smalling from Manchester United (he doesn’t play enough and needs game time ahead of World Cup to make England’s squad, maybe a loan deal)
•Juan Mata (from Manchester United possibly on loan as he might not play for them so often now Sanchez arrived and we could do with his experience and a player of his calibre to kick on) or Jack Wilshere on loan from Arsenal again just to provide first choice action ahead of England World Cup duty)
•Daniel Sturridge or Danny Ings from Liverpool (on loan, again as they’d need more action and could be possible)

8.) 21 Jan 2018 16:20:09
Think a lot of that is quite unrealistic Etienne. For starters I’d be shocked if we got 4 in, and they’re all players on high wages. I think Smalling could be an interesting one, would actually quite like him permanently. Mata would be amazing and exactly the creative spark we need, but even though I can see your logic of him not being needed with Sanchez, I don’t think Utd will let him go since they’ve lost mkhitaryan as part of that deal. They’ll want mata for cover I presume, and even if he did leave I’d imagine he’d have better options than us.

9.) 21 Jan 2018 17:15:21
Aye 123, you’re probably right with that response. I’m hopefully signing all four of them on FIFA anyway! Get in.

10.) 22 Jan 2018 15:36:42
Haha mate I got Moussa Dembele for 7 million on FM - why don't the board just do that! this running a football club lark is easy!




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20 Feb 2018 20:32:59
I'm never right and my predictions are always awful so I reckon

Burnley - win
Stoke -draw
Newcastle -loss
West ham -loss
Arsenal - loss
Chelsea- loss
Leicester - loss
Bournemouth - win
Everton - loss
City - draw

34 points and hoping 3 teams do worse.

So if you are a betting man go opposite everything I've put and you might stand a chance! 😬.




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19 Feb 2018 19:43:51
You'd get some amazing odds.




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07 Feb 2018 15:12:56
The only thing I know was reading his agents media bit. apparently saints didn't offer the full asking price so they didn't see. As phil says its hard to know what happened and don't think we ever will know.




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19 Jan 2018 18:19:20
I would like that. I think he's the type of mould of player we need. I don't know much more about him than that.




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13 Jan 2018 23:08:25
Dunno . I'll be hanging around petrol stations and firework shops if he does.





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17 Feb 2018 21:00:46
Hahahahah love this diggy. hey heads up mate you never know 😬.




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03 Feb 2018 18:08:33
Exactly that. the line up was what we should started Brighton with. let's hope mp sees that and sticks.




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31 Jan 2018 22:01:57
Waste of your time and credit. sorry rich.




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29 Jan 2018 11:50:18
thought he was a great player and felt he deserved/ needed that clean start. good luck to him.




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28 Jan 2018 10:32:11
I reckon we should just worry about us and doth our cap when someone who used to be linked to us does well. I'd love to see j rod find awesome form and banging on the door for a world cup place after what happened to him last time round and wish him all the luck ( though not against us) . Nearly every game now is involving ex players or ex managers and good luck to them all yeah I like to check in and see they're doing well but my only concern is saints safety . a cup run would be nice but I'd take league over it all day.