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14 Feb 2018 20:29:19
{Ed's Note - figodasilva has posted a new article entitled, Finishing positions for the bottom half of the Premier League


1.) 19 Feb 2018 11:10:56
Nice article Figo! I've posted my predictions for Saints remaining fixtures below.
Burnley Away - Draw
Stoke Home - Draw
Newcastle Away - Loss
West Ham Away - Loss
Arsenal Away - Loss
Chelsea Home - Loss
Leicester Away - Loss
Bournemouth Home - Win
Everton Away - Win
Man City Home - Draw

Very pessimistic view here and I would like us to get results against other struggling teams, I just don't think it'll happen. Maybe we can go to Burnley and host Stoke and win both of these games. That'll put us in a better position to stay up. But with only 5 wins from 27 games, we don't seem to have a winning mentality about us and based on everything that has happened so far I can't see us turning around and going on a 5 game winning streak.

2.) 19 Feb 2018 17:05:16
I wouldn’t go to the bookies with them predictions 😂.

3.) 19 Feb 2018 19:43:51
You'd get some amazing odds.

4.) 20 Feb 2018 11:28:44
I might have to stick a couple of quid down on that then haha. What results would you say would be different, obviously looking back at what I've said 5 losses on the bounce is probably unlikely.

5.) 20 Feb 2018 12:21:35
My predictions would be
Burnley away - Draw
Stoke home - win
Newcastle away - draw
West Ham away - draw
Arsenal away - loss
Chelsea home - loss
Leicester away - loss
Bournemouth home - win
Everton away - loss
Man City home - loss
That will put us on 35 points, just hope I’m wrong and we get some more wins. Our season is going to be decided in the next 4 games.

6.) 20 Feb 2018 18:26:33
I think you're right that the next 4 games are going to be very decisive on the points front. We must also remain as tight as we can against Arsenal and Chelsea, frustrate and perhaps nick a point off one of them. If we are to lose several, it will be important to keep goal difference under control. There's every chance that one or more places could be decided by good in the end. Everton remain pretty pants with few goal scoring chances created. I'd like to think we have a chance up there of at least a point.

That's your predicitons for our run in but looking at the other teams, how many points do you think they'll pick up? If you work through say the bottom 6 teams and have a guess at their season end points total, it may be 35 points could keep us safe. I know it sounds like a low total but it could.

7.) 20 Feb 2018 20:32:59
I'm never right and my predictions are always awful so I reckon

Burnley - win
Stoke -draw
Newcastle -loss
West ham -loss
Arsenal - loss
Chelsea- loss
Leicester - loss
Bournemouth - win
Everton - loss
City - draw

34 points and hoping 3 teams do worse.

So if you are a betting man go opposite everything I've put and you might stand a chance! 😬.

8.) 21 Feb 2018 02:26:11
I believe we can win most of the remaining games. Here is my prediction:

Burnley - draw/ win
Stoke - win
Newcastle - win
West ham - win
Arsenal - draw
Chelsea- loss
Leicester - draw
Bournemouth - draw
Everton - loss
City - loss.

{Ed0333's Note - You’ll against Newcastle and Evertonians lose against Arsenal. The rest I agree with.



11 Feb 2018 22:30:39
{Ed's Note - figodasilva has posted a new article entitled, Southampton v Liverpool 11 Feb 2018 Review




27 Jan 2018 12:50:53
Just read an article where Quincy Promes' official Instagram account responded to a report from Russian media that he was not interested in joining Saints as we're 'one of the worst teams in the Premier League'. Quincy's one word reply was 'false'. Unclear whether he means its false about not wanting to join or that the reason given is false, but interesting to see he responded. Looks like there's still hope though.


1.) 29 Jan 2018 02:51:35
I’d like to be more positive but I think we have made our one signing this window.

2.) 31 Jan 2018 03:27:26
Less than 24 hours to go.

3.) 31 Jan 2018 11:15:58
I think we just have to be patient. Yes less than 24 hours but you never know. Just keep faith. Come on saints! We will sign someone before the window closes.

4.) 31 Jan 2018 16:34:13



04 Jan 2018 15:16:18
I've taken a few days to digest the Palace result, the contents of Ralph K's Echo interview and the posts coming in on here before posting anything further myself as, to be perfectly honest, the Palace result was a sickener.

It was Ralph's view pre-Palace that MP's job is perfectly safe and the board have effectively written off the first half of the season because of the negative effect of the VVD transfer saga. He accepts they took a gamble on keeping him and whilst he doesn't admit it explicitly, his comments on the poor effect on the rest of the team, together with the agreement to sell VVD now, suggest the gamble failed. It was concerning that he spent the rest of the time saying it paid off financially for the club, when surely that decision can only be realistically made at the end of this season when the team's league status is finalised.

However, his answers are pretty consistent on MP. He's had to carry the can for the VVD turmoil and the board are pleased with how he has done this together with his coaching of the team. They have obviously seen something we haven't as the team is not improving on the field, but again, he puts this down to turmoil which should subside now VVD is gone.

It's difficult to believe that the team will suddenly find its feet, given the low levels of confidence and belief in the players at the moment. But one or two quality signings could make a real difference to performances and results to follow. The proud part of me wants to bemoan our links to Walcott because it feels uninspiring/ underwhelming. That said, if I'm objective I must accept we are a team currently in 17th place in need of players with league experience who can assist us with goals and pace and he ticks those boxes. He would give us another dimension so why not?

Whilst I don't wholly accept Ralph's view that VVD caused all of our first half issues, we must all agree that there was a dark cloud over the squad whilst he was here. We don't know who forced him back into the side - maybe it was the board rather than MP as they were desperate to try to make their gamble look worthwhile and that explains why they're grateful to him for sucking it up and following orders? Maybe not.

The one conclusion I can draw is that MP seems like he will be here for the season at least. The board aren't interested at the moment in replacing him and will give him time post-VVD to make his mark. The problem is, post-January, if MP were to leave, a new manager would have to make do with the squad left for him, rather than have a window to bring in any fresh faces so in my view, MP is likely to stay. So the board are rolling the dice once more. Let's all hope their luck's in on this one.


1.) 04 Jan 2018 16:36:27
Good post but unfortunately don’t agree that MP will be here till the end of the season unless we go on some unlikely run of results. They are already seeing the gates tumbling, just because the attendance says what it says it doesn’t mean the people are actually there. It is the same at Arsenal where there can be swathes of seats empty but because they are sold season tickets they count for the attendance. If we stick with the current manager and get relegated how many season ticket holders will actually renew next season, I reckon if they’re lucky about half of them. It is all so unnecessary and could be sorted if the board weren’t so pig headed.

2.) 04 Jan 2018 17:08:53
I agree with saint chris, it seems quite obvious to me the saints team are not playing for, or supporting their manager. Those who watched the CP game must agree that as soon as saints scored they took there foot of the pedal, it was like the team had all realised they had cocked up and they shouldn't have scored, because saints stopped playing and allowed CP back into the game, the whole game disintergrated into a farce saints were giving the ball away continually. I don't know if you saw this but about 5 mins before half time saints somehow managed to get onto the ball and bertram was running up the wing no defewnders in front of him when he suddenly stopped turned around and passed the ball back to stephans the crowd started shouting and giving him a hard time when he smiled and pointed to his watch or wrist indicating he was playing for time I mean wtf is that all about it was not as though there was about a couple of seconds to go or there was no one to pass the ball forward to, I mean playing for time you got to be kidding me


3.) 04 Jan 2018 19:30:15
Like you Figo, I haved not posted for a while. I have watched, I have listened, I have inwardly digested what is going on.
The VVD situation being the reason for the current situation?
this is a copy of my Facebook posting today .

The signs of a good manager include, changing formations to win a game, changing formations when losing, changing game play at any time through the game FOR THE BENEFIT of the team, holding onto a winning position, adjust the team/ formation to counteract any changes the opposition may make, making the right substitutions, making substitutions at the right time, motivating your team . score out of 8 . a big fat ZERO!

They can dress this any way they like, they can blame anything . but as Roy H has proved with Crystal Palace and Big Sam at Everton, a good manager is absolutely crucial to not only how to play in the PL but survival too.

We are in absolute free fall, we are destined to be relegated if nothing changes. Do I now believe MP can change things round, absolutely NOT.

look at the Palace game, we were comfortable, moving the ball around, we scored. What did Roy do? change the formation, the players, the game plan . and aided by playing for a draw!

Will signings change anything .

i am firmly of the belief that we have fallen behind in the average quality of our players. While Lemina, Hoedt and gabbs have been good signings - to that I can now add Hojbjerg, he has been awesome! and playing like a captain, running the show.

MP relies almost exclusively on Tadic and Redmond being the providers to the attack, they are quite simply not good enough. I believe the quality of defenders in the PL has moved forward and are now too agile, quick and intelligent for these two.

I would like to add, JWP has definitely upped his game!

in summary, we have to change managers before its too late . it nearly is sadly.

4.) 04 Jan 2018 20:52:47
Really good post south_hants_rich. Some fans may perceive it to be pessimistic in approach but I think its realism. I, like many others on this site are hugely passionate about Southampton FC and having been a fan since 1979 and seen some wonderful highs and not so wonderful lows, this period of time is a deep low. We are rudderless.
I also believe the discourse from the chairman has changed too, regarding expectations of the club, including us being a small club, competition in the league increasing (and us seemingly unable to adapt to this change of perspective), and the VVD saga being a contribution to this low. I think it's an absolute farse to suggest this and not just own up and admit the appointment was a poor judgement on their behalf.
I believe, if we do appoint new players, we will not improve results, not because I'm a pessmistic, (in fact I'm an optimist (albeit a realistic optimist) but purely because we have a very poor manager who is extremely inflexible in his approach, and I don't see an improvement week in week out.
Our style of play has gone backwards and that's difficult to accept when a 'we march on' mantra is being advocated by the club. The current situation stinks of the 2004/ 2005 season and we know what happened in May of that season.

5.) 04 Jan 2018 22:37:54
Quoted. By pellegrino

For me he (Ralph) is great because we used to talk about preparation, motivation, about the challenge we have got in leadership with a group of men in every organisation in our life we all need the same – belief, values. We talk about the team.
For me it’s great. Even Les Reed has been working as a manager. They have been involved in professional teams and they know this world and what we have to do to try to be stronger and this for me is magnificent.
The Saints boss was quick to praise Krueger and revealed that he sat down with the first-team squad to eat during the day, along with vice-chairman Les Reed and head of recruitment Ross Wilson.

I like the bit where they say les Reed a manager
This reminds me of a certain Rupert trying to run the boardroom and the team which as we know didn't work
Step up sir Clive and history has completely repeats itself
Just seems a bit of a mess really god knows what the players think.



25 Oct 2017 22:13:29
Now Leicester have confirmed Puel, what are people's thoughts?

It seems an odd appointment to me in light of Leicester's style of play but it will be interesting to see whether Puel tries to change his approach or whether Leicester change tack.


{Ed002's Note - Very good manager, not the club for him.}

1.) 26 Oct 2017 09:01:03
Hi Ed's. What's your opinion of him, in terms of Southampton getting rid of him? Do you think we were right in doing that or do you think we should have kept him on?

{Ed002's Note - I think he should have stayed. He is a good guy.}




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14 Feb 2018 09:28:58
{Eds Note - If you missed it figodasilva wrote an article about what could be the finishing places of the bottom half of the Premier league




16 Feb 2018 10:24:29
I'm starting this new thread for those who want to take part in the discussion about the run-in to the end of the season for the bottom half of the table, further to my article posted earlier on the rumours page of this site. It would be great if you could read it and post your thoughts on this thread.

Just to be clear, I've set up a new thread to help focus on this topic and not on the usual comments about who's to blame for our predicament.

My thoughts on the run-in are set out in the article so little point in reiterating here.

Gregg has replied on another thread that with our current points to game ratio we would finish with 36 points which will not be enough to stay up in his view.

I think you're probably right. Although the cut off may be as little as 34 points, its more likely to be 36/ 37 points.

What does everyone think the cut off points total will be? Who will be in the bottom three.


1.) 16 Feb 2018 13:14:19
I think west brom are nailed on with Huddersfield to go down which leaves us fighting with Stoke to stay up. The next 5 games I personally feel we need at least 3 wins. We just need to play gabbi in the hole behind carillo (would prefer it was Austin but hey ho) there's our goalscorers with jwp right as he's in form plus we need his deliveries and boufal left we need him he frightens defenders with his dribbling and would open space for others. Then we could have lemina and romeu holding. Come on mp just go for it or we're going down if we try n play it safe.

2.) 16 Feb 2018 13:46:10
There’s an article on the BBC sport website that ties in with this thread as questions whether the old ’40 points for safety’ saying actually tallies up to what happens in the league. In short, the answer is no – each season is different but quite often you would need fewer points to finish 17th in the league.

They also show the results of a Computer program called Gracenote that simulates matches a million times to calculate a stat based guess of who’ll go down and the points required to stay up. Gracenote guessed a points total of 38 points is more than likely to be enough to stay up.

With teams as tight as the bottom 10 goal difference is going to be very important to when deciding final placings. Of the bottom ten, we have the joint 2nd best goal difference on -12 with West Ham. Stoke have -26, Huddersfield have -24, West Brom -19 and Palace and Swansea are on -17. Brighton are on -14 but with their tough run in, I expect that to deteriorate.

3.) 17 Feb 2018 09:57:41
Firstly Figo and if I didn’t say before, it was a really good article. I think MP’s prem points to game ratio is around 0.96, which equates to around 36 and a half points so I rounded down.

My biggest concern is stoke have improved a little since the manager change, as have most of the other clubs. I have calculated all prem games based simply on my predictions. In my final league table WBA are bottom, the Huddersfield, then saints, stoke and Brighton all on 37 points, with stoke going down on GD. Problem is I think I have been bias.

4.) 17 Feb 2018 17:51:47
Thanks Gregg, and SaintChris as well as I didn’t say this in the posts on the rumours page.

Its definitely hard to be impartial. Stoke I’m not convinced by. They won their first game under Lambert but have since drawn 2 and lost 1 so I think they remain vulnerable. Given all the reports of events at the West Brom training camp I’m hoping they remain at a low ebb as well. I think these two will struggle to get out of the drop zone.

Its down to that last place for me. Could be anyone of us, Huddersfield and Brighton if everyone else continues to maintain an upturn in form and fortune.



01 Feb 2018 11:28:37
OK, so we've endured another depressing result which causes anger and frustration but after a night's sleep, its time to take stock.

The Transfer Window

In my view, the transfer window was not perfect for us as I think we would've benefited from at least one more attacking player. I applaud the board in trying for a player of Promes' quality and it's a shame it didn't come off. I see little worth in reports that we'll return in the summer for him as that will surely be dependent in the first instance on us still being in the Prem and secondly, whether anyone else with greater financial clout and who can offer European football comes in. There is little point in dwelling on whose fault it is that he didn't come as there are three parties involved in negotiations and neither we, nor the newspapers, really know what's going on. There've been reports that the player was reluctant (understandably) and that Spartak made things difficult so it seems unfair to blame our board for the deal collapsing. Every club suffers disappointment in every window but January is notoriously difficult.

Plus, we did sign someone. let's not let the disappointment of not signing Promes overshadow that. Carrillo is an exciting addition and it was great to see him get some good game time last night. I think he could cause the opposition real problems and he looks competitive and up for a fight so lots of boxes ticked. The other good thing is that he seems the sort of player who benefits from having a second striker play off him. This will encourage MP to play two up top which is something we've all wanted to see.


The consensus is pretty clear on this forum at least that MP has failed to convince any of us that he is the man to turn our fortunes around. I think many called for his removal too soon but now, with only 13 games in the season left, performances and results not really improving and the teams around us all seeing an upturn, we are under considerable pressure. The board now has to make a very difficult decision and I think it should be made now, today, not after the West Brom game.

Whilst I don't think our squad is overloaded with quality, I would agree with the view that we have a better squad then a number of other teams who are faring better than us and we should not be where we are in the league. Its frustrating because we are so close to being out of trouble. Last night presented a golden opportunity for us to jump right up the table with a win as other results went our way, but the opportunity was missed and by some margin.

Under CP we didn't score many goals, but at least we worked well as a defensive unit. MP's undoing has been that the team does not defend as well (I sympathise partly as a number of goals conceded this season have been down to individual player errors rather than a failure of the defensive system) but we also continue to be frustrated in front of goal. If your attack is poor, you must defend well or, if you can't defend, you must attack strongly in the hope of outscoring your opponent. We fail to do either so it is unsurprising to see results drifting.

The board have three choices. 1) Back MP for the remainder of the season come hell or high water. If we go down with him, we stick with him and see if we fare better in the Championship. It would seem nonsensical to stand by him up until relegation and then remove him. 2) Give MP another game or two to see if he can turn the fortunes of the club around by playing Carrillo and perhaps a different formation in the search for goals. However, if the board do this, they must give the incoming replacement enough games to have an impact. Also, the replacement must be a manager and not someone from the Saints coaching staff. 3) Sack MP now and replace him by the West Brom game so the incoming manager has as many games as possible to improve performances and results.

Whilst I think we all agree that MP is unlikely now to turn things around, managerial talent remains thin on the ground. Marco Silva is free but is not a long term solution as he is likely to be head hunted if he does sort us out and jump us up the table. The fans and players need to be secure in knowing the manager isn't going to jump ship as soon as one of the big 6 flutter their eyelashes. I think we all need someone who is going to stick with us, see us as a project, one that he is fully invested in so that he is tied to our success. My fear is that taking the long-term view may mean another riskier appointment of someone early in their managerial career. If it pays off, it will be fantastic, but if it doesn't we are back to square one. We can't keep hiring and firing managers every season. We have to stick with someone at some point and ride any dips in form. The trouble is identifying that person.


1.) 01 Feb 2018 12:52:24
Good well argued post figodasilva. The only point I would make is we haven’t got time now for the board to do their usual 2/ 3 week thorough interview process. We need someone now like Silva and if that means giving him a deal until end of season then so be it.

2.) 01 Feb 2018 17:27:54
You say we don't have time but Watford sacked silva and had Garcia in place within 8 hours so if they've thought about it done their due diligence this could be wrapped up quicker than we think
I'm at a point where I'm lost with what saints are doing trying to do and want to do
I do think we're to good to go down but unless someone can aucostrate a strategy I think the writings on the wall

I did get the chance today to watch pellegrinos interview for West Brom and he looks broken lost and beaten.

3.) 01 Feb 2018 17:52:37
figo, I always find your posts pragmatic, so thanks for sharing
not being picky but aspiring to 'perfect' isn't on my mind, being good enough is, and we clearly aren't that. I think the players have lost confidence in MP TBH.
The transfer window dealings will not improve the situation, when you consider the changes other teams have made, the systems need to change
As you looking for a long-term change of manager (if a change occurs), well I'd take a short-term solution now, to keep us in the league, reactive yes, but something needs to change fast, if something isn't working get it fixed

We look like a team struggling at all areas of the pitch

Seen Mark Hughes has been mentioned as a media replacement, and you're right there are few quality managers available at the mo,
Frustrating watching this.

4.) 01 Feb 2018 17:58:11
're figos post
As always a very thoughtful and well considered post, I think we are now between the proverbial rock and a hard place. I will be honest I have been advocating sacking MP for some months and it gives me no pleasure to say so, we have 13 games left and we continue to either squander opportunities or fail to create enough. I have to say I feel the transfer window has been a disaster, we sell vvd for a huge profit which we all knew was going to happen and bring in 1 player and fail with a very late half hearted attempt at a high class player that we don't know for certain wants to come here either now or in the summer. It looks as though the relegation issue will go to the wire to be settled on the last day and unfortunately with 25 games played, this manager cannot pick a settled side, makes baffling substitutions normally too late to effect the game.13 games is potentially 39 points about half would see us safe but on past performances I'm not confident that we can achieve this. Evidently last night Brighton started quicker and sharper than Saints which isn't necessarily Mp's fault so possibly the players are low on confidence. I agree Sfc's policy 're managers has reached the point where I believe our credibility is low and top players do not want to come here. The Premier League is a unique business, we play football but we are in the entertainment business pay guidelines go out the window, relegation is not an option at a club like sfc cannot afford relegation. We need stability with quality in the manager not a cheap option that few people had heard of previously. Now is not the best time to recruit but how do we feel about Silva, Hughes long term or any others because I have this this awful feeling that we are going down if we carry on as we are. Your opinions welcomed. Regards vs.

5.) 01 Feb 2018 18:30:14
I think last night sums up perfectly why MP is not the man for the job. As all other posters have pointed out, last night was just bizarre. brighton are the lowest scorers in the division; 17 before last night's game. But he played as if we were against Man City and the like. We didn't need 5 in midfield and the five he picked (as figo pointed out), appeared to be a random selection of players, neither based on the opponents tactics or an attempt to win the game.
if ever there was a team to attack it was Brighton, leaky defense and poor attack. There was only one team on the pitch that was playing to win . Brighton . the other team were playing not to lose.
We can not argue with the quality of our signings . but last night in a must win game, we had our four most expensive signings on the bench?
and when he finally brought Carrillo on, our shape was disjointed. Carrillo went up front but Shane seemed to drop back to midfield .

Let's be honest . it has to be the end for MP . and now! he quite simply does not know how to win a game, the absolutely fundamental requirement to stay in the PL.

6.) 01 Feb 2018 20:46:53
VS has kindly reminded me that we sold VVD at the beginning of the window which I didn’t really factor in in my assessment. When I do consider that, the window must be considered a failure not because his transfer meant we had a promise of incoming funds to spend, but rather, we sold our star player. The one player in our team who set the bar really high last season every game he played.

I guess I overlooked the loss of the player as it effectively happened in the summer when he went on strike and he never once put a real shift in for the first team this season. I’d just gotten used to us not having that star player anymore. But this window provided an opportunity, albeit a slim one, to find another star player, or two for the first team. Or in the very least, recruit a good centre back to provide competition and, or cover. I hope Carrillo proves to be a star for us.

As for a new manager, I would happily take Marco Silva as he at least demonstrated last season and this, the ability to take a dysfunctional team and make it greater than the sum of its parts. As far as Mark Hughes is concerned, Stoke stagnated under him, as has every other team he has managed.

I do not think he has significantly improved any team he has managed, he failed to stamp any identity onto his Stoke side (who have instantly improved under Paul Lambert) and was unable to reverse the downward slide of their form and results, not just this season but pretty much every on in which he has managed. Stoke and West Brom under Hughes and Pulis were the perennial hit 40 points and go on holiday midtable teams of yesteryear.

If its shortterm, you have to go with someone with a proven track record in this league and that’s Silva all day. If he didn’t want to stay on for the long term or could not guarantee his head being turned if he continued beyond this season, the club can take stock and review in the summer where a more long term signing could be considered.

7.) 02 Feb 2018 12:27:36
If it does "go to the wire" we will need to have the game of our lives versus Man city!

8.) 02 Feb 2018 15:29:06
I think Mark Hughes would be a good shout as a short term option; he has the experience to keep us in the league this year. I don't think he's the right appointment beyond this season though, so for me it would depend if he was interested in managing us just for the rest of the season.

Marco Silva I'm torn on - I wouldn't hate it if we hired him but I do think we're causing ourselves a problem in 1/ 2 years when he wants to leave.

9.) 03 Feb 2018 09:42:55
Mark Hughes would be an excellent choice, he would know which games to go all out for 3 points. We need 4 wins and 3 draws to have a chance of staying up as I feel there are 5 clubs who will not win many more games this season.



27 Dec 2017 10:36:46
Olivier Giroud anyone? I appreciate that Arsenal wouldn't want to lose him but if he's looking for regular first team football before the world cup, he's got little competition and we would benefit from a target man. Moussa Dembele from Celtic? Mohammed Elyonoussi looks good. But perhaps the best recruits would be from proven premier league performers to avoid loss of form as they transition. Players from Scotland tend to do ok fairly quickly. I think we need to find a leader from somewhere too at some point. A physical, commanding centre-back perhaps who will drive the team forwards from the back. Not sure who though. Any suggestions?


1.) 27 Dec 2017 11:16:49
Before getting any more players getting a new manager is absolutely vital. MP seems to have resorted to pot luck when picking the starting eleven a bit like choosing the winner of the Grand National. We have some excellent players but they need motivating rather than playing like rabbits in the headlights. Still think Gordon Steachan could be a good choice, popular with our fan base which would help immeasurably at getting the crowd behind the team. What we don’t need at this time is another foreign manager without PL experience as we are living on borrowed time with the games running out. We need a quick fix not a long term plan at the moment and hopefully stay in the division. Sell VVD and anybody else who doesn’t want to play for us and spend all the proceeds plus a bit more to keep us in the PL. If we don’t and get relegated it may be years before we get back. Act now Les Reed, accept you employed the wrong guy. If CP was still here I honestly believe we would be several points better off than we are now. The thing that lost him his job was partly due to negative play but mainly the VVD saga and players like Tadic whinging and whining. When Tadic came on yesterday he looked a class act and could have changed the game had we not been so far behind. Get a manager in now that knows how to get us out of this hole this current one certainly doesn’t.

2.) 28 Dec 2017 12:18:27
VVD give, Bertrand wants out. I'm not a fan of keeping players if they want out but sometimes you have to bite the bullet and keep them, what good is the Southampton team without VVD/ Bertrand, lemina looks good he could want out soon? We have the issue with Coutinho and quite frankly if it makes your team better I'm all for keeping them. You can’t let Bertrand go.



24 Nov 2017 14:22:43
Planet Football have a top ten of this season's Keepers in the Prem and our very own Fraser Forster ranks at number 7. Apparently, being 6ft 7 helps you save a lot of shots from close range. Sadly, his save percentage of shots from outside the box is in the low 60s making him by far the worst stopper in the Prem from that range. Just about sums it up.


1.) 24 Nov 2017 15:09:33
I'm not even sure he saves the close range ones. they just seem to hit him. Anything a couple of inches either side of him that require moving usually ends in a goal.

2.) 25 Nov 2017 09:04:24
Better give him another new contract then, well done Les you useless pr***.




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20 Feb 2018 18:26:33
I think you're right that the next 4 games are going to be very decisive on the points front. We must also remain as tight as we can against Arsenal and Chelsea, frustrate and perhaps nick a point off one of them. If we are to lose several, it will be important to keep goal difference under control. There's every chance that one or more places could be decided by good in the end. Everton remain pretty pants with few goal scoring chances created. I'd like to think we have a chance up there of at least a point.

That's your predicitons for our run in but looking at the other teams, how many points do you think they'll pick up? If you work through say the bottom 6 teams and have a guess at their season end points total, it may be 35 points could keep us safe. I know it sounds like a low total but it could.




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16 Feb 2018 10:12:46
Thanks for bringing us back to topic Gregg. I've started a new thread above for those who want to talk about the run in and how they see us fairing compared to other teams.




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15 Feb 2018 15:41:19
Sometimes, this site is like banging your head against a brick wall with rusty nails sticking out of it. Please can someone look at the article in the spirit in which it is intended and post something other than that you think MP is rubbish and is going to relegate us no matter what happens to us or other teams over the next 11 games. That is exactly the type of focus I am trying to steer people away from. Its pointless. It really is. You may as well just copy and paste each post to save time otherwise.

Gregg, I do get that. The second half performance against Liverpool was poor but if you look at the story of the game as a whole, we did play with fight and spirit in the first half but conceded two goals, not because the team played badly but due to individual errors. The team understandably came out and was anxious not to concede any more rather than believing they should carry on taking the game to Liverpool. No one wants to lose 4 or 5 nil. It would arguably do more harm to confidence if the team gave everything going forward, failed to score and got hammered.

Chris, I do entirely understand where you are coming from as you have made clear from your posts throughout the season. I get it. You don’t rate MP and think the team is better than their league placing. But that is entirely beside the point and so frankly, I do not care. I am not seeking to encourage anymore boring posts about how dreadful MP is, how much of a conman Les Reed is or any such benign nonsense. Agree with them or not, we have no control over those things so posting about them endlessly achieves little.

Instead, if people read the article and look at our run in as being 11 games and not just the next game, then they may form an opinion on how many points might see us safe, they may look at the games we have and think x amount of points from this run and y from that run could see us to safety. Then, rather than feeling such despair after every game that doesn’t go our way, posters may still carry some hope forward to the next match. And imagine the elation some may feel if the team exceeds their guestimate points total.

We cold post our projections and see whose come closest and discuss things in this forum in the context of the games we have ahead, rather than reading the same old posts after every game.

If you feel the exercise is a waste of time, fine. No-one is being forced to do it. But for me, and I hope for many other posters, the exercise may help, even as just a bit of fun and a new focus to people’s posts. None of us are happy to be in this position but I see no reason why we cannot look at the positive performances this season and see them as an example of what the team is capable of against the teams around us. Most of our games in the run in are against teams we could get points from if we play to our best and with a string of good performances, confidence could return. For everyone.




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15 Feb 2018 10:54:18
Of course its all guess work. As I say, many things can effect results over the course of 11 games. If I could accurately predict the outcome of football matches, then I would be a very rich man.

The point of the exercise is for people to have a look at the respective run-ins for the teams in the bottom half and consider their own views on the end of season placings. Its very easy when you support a football team to view everything within the bubble of what is happening to that team. Looking at the run-ins for the other teams and considering where they may or may not pick up points can help put things into context and give a broader picture.

For example, because you’re unhappy about the Liverpool result and performance, you consider that Saints are in an uncontrollable nosedive, but just one game before, we beat West Brom and most posts on here were very positive. Also, we continue to collect points against the teams around us, albeit at a slower rate than any of us would like and have proved on our day we can pick up results. We just need to put a consistent run together and we have a good chance to that when the Prem restarts.




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14 Feb 2018 21:13:03
MP aside, I’ve posted an article highlighted above with my end of season projections for the teams from 10 – 20 in the Premier League. Would be good to hear what you guys think about our run-in when compared with the other teams around us.





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17 Feb 2018 17:51:47
Thanks Gregg, and SaintChris as well as I didn’t say this in the posts on the rumours page.

Its definitely hard to be impartial. Stoke I’m not convinced by. They won their first game under Lambert but have since drawn 2 and lost 1 so I think they remain vulnerable. Given all the reports of events at the West Brom training camp I’m hoping they remain at a low ebb as well. I think these two will struggle to get out of the drop zone.

Its down to that last place for me. Could be anyone of us, Huddersfield and Brighton if everyone else continues to maintain an upturn in form and fortune.




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16 Feb 2018 13:46:10
There’s an article on the BBC sport website that ties in with this thread as questions whether the old ’40 points for safety’ saying actually tallies up to what happens in the league. In short, the answer is no – each season is different but quite often you would need fewer points to finish 17th in the league.

They also show the results of a Computer program called Gracenote that simulates matches a million times to calculate a stat based guess of who’ll go down and the points required to stay up. Gracenote guessed a points total of 38 points is more than likely to be enough to stay up.

With teams as tight as the bottom 10 goal difference is going to be very important to when deciding final placings. Of the bottom ten, we have the joint 2nd best goal difference on -12 with West Ham. Stoke have -26, Huddersfield have -24, West Brom -19 and Palace and Swansea are on -17. Brighton are on -14 but with their tough run in, I expect that to deteriorate.




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05 Feb 2018 11:00:43
I think Cyprus is right south_hants_rich. The main problem with playing Hojberg, Lemina and Romeu together at the moment is that all three are more comfortable playing in a deep-lying midfield role. There is a risk in playing all three that Lemina and Hojberg’s games are not attack minded enough to give the right balance to a midfield three and provide support for the forwards. That’s why MP prefers to drop one and have a more attack minded player in there.

That said, I think its worth playing Lemina in a more advanced role, not as an out and out attacking midfielder but in a position where he can drive forward like Patrick Viera used to do at Arsenal, but with greater freedom as Lemina would have the protection of Hojberg and Romeu. When he is up the pitch, he has demonstrated the ability to pick out a through ball and try different things creatively so I think its worth a few games experimenting with this to have our three strongest midfielders on the pitch at the same time.

Just while I’m on the Lemina point, I’ve seen several posts around the forum of late questioning Lemina’s absence from the first team for recent games. I’m not entirely sure why fans have been confused by this. After reports surfaced he was struggling with an ankle injury, he did make several sub appearances and a start but in each of those games, he was a huge liability. Gone was the strength and confidence on the ball we saw in the first part of the season. He was easily shrugged off the ball, too slow to react to pressure and was caught out of position, unable to recover. He simply wasn’t playing well, be that a result of injury or not. The West Brom game was the first game he’s played since his injury where he looked back to his old self. If we can keep him fit and playing that way for the remainder of the season, it could really be the difference between us and the others fearful of the drop.

JWP has scored a few this season and his delivery of the ball from set pieces is so strong, its very hard to drop him. In open play, he does seem to offer a little less than a natural wide player when he’s on the wing but he’s not really a wide player. He’s not a combative central midfielder, nor is he an Eriksen-like creative attacker blessed with the same vision and finesse. But his work rate is very good, his range of passing is excellent and with this, he can quickly turn defence into attack. I think he just needs to add an extra dimension to his game, be it breaking up play, intercepting passes, or playing with freedom in an advanced role and finding through balls, spreading the play and getting into the box to score more often – something he’s appeared to be working on this season. If he can do either to a useful level, he’d be quite a player.

I’ve been thinking the same saint bod; Romeu has really gone off the boil this season. Its perhaps easier to pick holes in performances when the team’s playing badly, but all too often he’s been caught napping, out of position, lost his runner or simply dwelt on the ball too long and coughed up possession in very dangerous areas. It may be that teams are more readily employing the tactic of pressing our players higher up the pitch, but it seems to me that Romeu is often playing without the spark he once had. It may be a confidence thing so if the team improves, so may he, but with Lemina and Hojberg both able to play in defensive midfield positions, albeit not quite the same, it may be that he should be the one being dropped more often than Lemina or Hojberg.




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03 Feb 2018 17:20:33
Its wonderful to win and to jump back up the table. Things are still ridiculously tight and we a tough game against Liverpool coming up but then a few more winnable games after. We have to take the positives from this good result and build on it.

Also, if the commentary I heard was correct and that our fans booed Long when he came on and cheered sarcastically when he missed a simple header on goal, they need to shut the F up. His confidence is already shot to bits and it doesn’t help if the first thing you hear when you step on to the pitch is your own fans booing you and then jeering every miss. He’s our player coming on the pitch to do his best . Life is so much easier for players if they step out on the pitch and feel the supporters behind them, rather then tension, anxiety and anger directed at them and their teammates. We can’t afford the relationship between players and fans to break down.




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03 Feb 2018 09:50:09
I personally wouldn’t want him as a long term appointment because of his clear desire to manage a big club. However, it may be that the Watford sacking has given him a bit of a reality check and a little humility. Who knows? Only MS really.

It’s a little disingenuous to say Hull were relegated under his stewardship. When he took over from Mike Phelan in January, Hull were rock bottom of the league with a record of 3 wins, 4 draws and 13 losses. 13 points in total. Hull also sold two of their best players – Jake Livermore and Robert Snodgrass in January. Silva took over a club that had learned how to lose, was a defensive mess and blunt in attack, sold its best players and he had to manage what was left and a number of loan signings brought in.

Hull won 6 and drew 3 of their remaining games under Silva, notably taking all 3 points against Liverpool. They lost the other 9 games but 21 points from 18 games saw them move up to 18 and miss out on relegation by just 6 points by the end of the season. Their turnaround under Silva was remarkable given the first half of the season and the consensus was that if he had been at the helm all season, then they probably would have stayed in the league.

Prior to this, Silva had managed Estoril (win % of 47 %) winning the league and coach of the year, Sporting (59%) winning the league, and Olympiacos (79%) winning the league.

At Watford (who had finished 17th in the league, one place above Silva’s Hull) he continued to work wonders, seeing his team to a blistering start to the season and sitting in 4th place in the Premier league this season before Koeman was sacked by Everton and they started to show an interest in him. 15 points from those first 8 games and losing only one. As we all know, from that point, things all went a bit pear shaped as Watford lost all semblance of the team they had been. It wasn’t a gradual erosion, it was an overnight thing. Hence the widely held agreement with Watford’s statement after Silva’s sacking that he had lost focus following overtures from Everton. They turned Koeman’s head so we can hardly blame Silva that he saw Everton as an exciting opportunity. But the timing was all wrong for everyone and in the end, it hurt Everton, Watford and Silva.

When focused, he has proved he can manage big teams and little teams to a very high standard. If he could turn Hull’s and Watford’s fortunes around, he could do the same with us. The real question is whether he could commit himself to a club of our size. The realistic answer is no, not for the long term, but he may be willing to take the opportunity to remind everyone what he is capable of after such a poor end to his Watford career.