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22 Oct 2017 00:15:27
Hi guys, I thought that the way the teams were set up looked a lot more balanced with Bertrand going forward on the left and creating chances. WBA are a typical Pulis team as Lee Dixon said on TV playing with almost a back six plus the awful weather conditions, we looked much better going forward, all the players worked really hard and MP made some daring substitutions which came off, Redmond looked more disciplined and creative and Boufane's goal was an absolute peach, it reminded me of Ryan Giggs goal vs Arsenal, great contender for goal of the season. When you are playing against a big, disciplined back four crosses into the box are a waste of time and I would like to see more variety there and corners. Great free kick from Bertrand! We are not there yet but if we can carry on from here the season looks brighter. Regards VS.

Vintagesaint

1.) 22 Oct 2017 23:05:07
Good post, agreed. Really positive substitutions that changed the game. WBA are a tough side to break down 😇.


 

 

13 Aug 2017 16:28:29
Hi Guys,
Re milky saints post Re Tadic, I think if we get a decent offer we should take it, the phrase flatters to deceive sums him up, when we had Pelle, Mane, Wanyama, Schneiderlin their goal scoring and work hid his deficiencies but for me I have never seen him have a good game often enough. His work rate is c--P, the final ball too often not good enough and his goals scored pitiful. Move him on and replace.
VS.

Vintagesaint

1.) 13 Aug 2017 21:33:56
He played very well on Saturday. Not sure what you're on about really, yes he didn't score enough last year but he created more than enough chances. He worked hard on Saturday too, I think he's underrated.


2.) 14 Aug 2017 00:16:35
I think it's because we don't have a target man in truth.
Austin is a six yard poacher but no leaping salmon.
Tadic had no problem being one of the highest assisters lol, when pelle was about.
And gabbi is a second striker in truth .
Tadic is a confidence player so with some good games
He will come good
This is why we need to never let the dijk back in.


3.) 14 Aug 2017 07:41:37
I personally think we need to start with boufal there's no denying the talent he's got but if he's not given the minutes he won't get there and he will get and make goals from nothing and that's what we need.


 

 

06 Aug 2017 17:23:39
Hi Ed
Can you please answer this, is Virgil Van Dyke not handing in a transfer request because he would lose out financially?
Regards
Vs.

Vintagesaint

{Ed002's Note - I really don't know Vintage but it is correct that he (a) hasn't handed one in and, (b) would lose out finicially if he did.}


1.) 06 Aug 2017 17:32:37
Thank you
Vs.


 

 

28 Jul 2017 16:02:40
Guys, Obviously there are loads of rumours circulating about vvd and the prospective sale of the club and I believe that the 2 are totally interlinked. We are told that the prospective sale price of the club is £215m and vvd £70m so presumably from both perspectives there is a world of difference between an asset valued at £70m and an asset sold and realised and £70m in cash banked and other debt if any paid off. I also believe that this is the reason for our perceived lack of activity in the transfer market. I have read reports KL has a potential tax bill in Germany due to the settling of ML's estate. I must stress that this is my personal opinion and from what I have read so I would welcome feedback.
Regards Vintagesaint.

Vintagesaint

1.) 29 Jul 2017 16:18:44
Players " valuation" doesn't effect the overall club valuation as they are only worth what people are willing to pay . Or the contract they are on.


 

 

 

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23 Oct 2017 02:09:08
Hi edd, After the games this weekend I wanted to throw out some points for discussion.
There has been a mindset which has grown over the years that English managers are inferior to their foreign/ continental counterparts and yet now we have 2 'top'foreign managers in Koeman at Everton and Klopp at Liverpool having been given huge budgets and yet managed to assemble squads of players which are obviously not fit for purpose. let's not forget Koeman played at the very highest level and yet seems absolutely clueless. I would also question training regimes, as a Saints fan having to watch our players leave for bigger clubs, which I do not blame the players for, who wouldn't want to double your wages or play for Utd or Liverpool, so many of these players seem to have regressed, Lovren who's partnership with Fonte at Southampton was impeccable and yet at Liverpool he is a total mess. Clyne before his injury looked a shadow of his former self yet was a regular in the England team at Southampton. Luke Shaw and Schneiderlin at Utd, Schneiderlin in particular was majestic and yet at United struggled and now at Everton looks a mere shadow, compare this to players who have gone to Spurs Alderwireld and Wanyama have gone on to another level and Pochettino has done a brilliant job and what a team he has created. Damiel Levy has to be the most astute chairman around, his record in the transfer market is incredible. This post was made really to dispel the popular thinking that we have to have continental or foreign managers to succeed.

Vintagesaint

{Ed001's Note - it is not about training, though style of play does have a lot to do with it and pressure. Lovren went from playing for Southampton, defending deep with protection from midfield, to playing a high, with fan expectations of victory every week and no protection from midfield. Plus he is playing alongside Matip, who clearly has no idea about defending or defensive positioning and in front of probably the worst keeper in the Prem.

The main problem is lifestyles, none of them are as focused on their football now. Shaw ballooned in weight etc. They have the wrong attitude. They have been given huge contracts at top clubs and think they have got everything. Spurs have avoided similar ills with lesser contracts and so players still see, like Kyle Walker in the summer, themselves as having to earn a big move. They are still hungry for more. That keeps them focused on their game.}


1.) 23 Oct 2017 05:29:34
Hi Ed Thank you for the excellent response.

{Ed001's Note - you are very welcome. You do have a point, but there are very few British coaches around who have shown themselves to have the ability to succeed. Clement, for instance, plays terrible, dire, defensive football. Great coach but not a manager. There is only really Dyche that is doing enough to say 'he deserves the chance to show what he can do' but his pragmatic approach and constant whining about foreigners and how he is not getting recognition will put off any club looking for a manager.}


2.) 23 Oct 2017 11:42:20
Hi Ed, So in Liverpool and Lovren do the back four not get enough protection from the midfield or has his performance level dropped off so much?
Regards Vs
Ps thank you and all the other guys for your hard work.

{Ed001's Note - I would say both. He is not getting protected but he is also incredibly inconsistent. One week he will dominate and bully the opposition centre forward, the next game he misses everything he goes for. Though, so far this season, he has not had the dominating weeks! At first I assumed it was down to the back injury he was carrying, but he says that has cleared up now, so I have no idea what to say about his performance yesterday. It was rank amateur stuff.

I have been wondering if he has lost focus on football, with him talking about having been robbed by the use of chloroform on him and his family. I can see how that would prey on your mind for a long time afterwards.

Thank you mate. We really appreciate the thanks, honestly it makes it worth doing it.}


3.) 24 Oct 2017 09:39:48
I love these itk posts from Eds. The info on the likely future of the football world given earlier this year (I think) was fascinating. More please!

On players big moves and then deteriorating, you do see this in the business world too. It must be something in the human psyche. I’ve seen so many people strive for success and achievement and when they get that promotion they think they’ve “made it” and performance drops off. Poch just doesn’t allow that to happen. Take Sissoko as an example. He hasn’t looked that bad to me, but the fact that he’s not playing to HIS full potential is not enough.

On Luke Shaw, I heard a few rumours that his lifestyle at Saints wasn’t great and he has a soft spot for fast food. When he was playing every week it wasn’t a problem but when he isn’t he piles on the pounds. Long term injury didn’t help obv. Not sure if there’s any truth in that but it makes sense.

Dyche has a point about the wholly different approach from the media towards British coaches. Allardyce suffered the same. Apparently he played a long ball game at Bolton, missing out the midfield. Strange that Jay Jay Okocha was player of the year (twice? ), as a midlfielder. Then gets West Ham United promoted at the first attempt and they couldn’t wait to replace him! I’d have either one of them at Saints in a heartbeat.

{Ed001's Note - thank you WS. On Allardyce, I think more of the problem is perception. Initially he gets in and does go more route one than usual while he sorts things out at the back. He did evolve at Bolton over time, but his rep had been established.}


 

 

16 Oct 2017 20:26:14
Hi Ed, This is a post which is across football why is there such a difference between the top teams and the rest in goals scored, Harry Kane alone has scored more goals on his own than 6 other Premier Teams Saints included. Is this down to player quality alone or do teams set up now not to lose rather than go for a win? And are there less goals scored now compared to previous seasons. Please keep up the excellent work. Regards vs.

Vintagesaint

{Ed001's Note - to be honest, it is too small a sample size to rule out it just being a blip. You need a lot more data in statistics to rule out anomalies. From what I have seen, a lot more teams are playing more defensively and there seems to be a real lack of goalscorers outside of the top 6 right now. Like I said though, it is far too early to rule out it just being a slow start.}


 

 

16 Oct 2017 19:56:28
Hi guys great comments from Ben, rich and Cyprus, what annoys me is that we can clearly see what needs to be done and it does not require spending huge amounts of money. It strikes me football is full of hype surely both the manager and also the players know where it is going wrong and you don't have to be a genius to put it right. I think the 3 forwards long on the wings alternating with Tadic, Boufane and Austin and Gabbiadini up front would put the opposition on the back foot and allow us to play our game not theirs and as you say endless high balls into the box are meat and drink to decent cental defenders and keepers. Let's work smarter Saints and harder would help. Regards vs.

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16 Oct 2017 00:36:44
Hi guys, watched the game live here in the states and there are a number of things that stand out. a) Our passing is poor, too many passes played into space and not to feet and Newcastle were profiting from it picking the ball up unopposed and attacking at pace again. b) No pace going forward, again too slow and laboured and when Newcastle attack we are too slow coming back leaving the defence exposed, c) both Redmond and Tadic stand on the touchline static waiting for the ball to come to them making it easy for the defenders to keep them out there. d) I believe that cedric and Bertrand look so nervous because they have no confidence that Redmond and Tadic will track back and not leave them exposed. e) I thought Boufane looked brighter than Redmond and should start, he is not perfect but at least he tries to take players on and make something happen and should
start against West Bromwich f) There were only 2 passages of play in each half when we looked good playing one touch, pacy, accurate football and resorted back to our ponderous, slow build up, both Lemina and Romeu were having to drop deep to get the ball and Newcastle were happy to sit back and soaking up the pressure g) We have to get used to teams coming to St Mary's playing 4 at the back with 2 holding midfielders protecting them as we do with Romeu and Lemina and then look to catch us on on the break. Look what a difference Matic has made at United happy to sit back and protect but also capable of rampaging forward. h) I am concerned at the teams overall fitness when Newcastle had a corner on 80 minutes I saw Van Dyck and others holding their sides waiting for the whistle. Remember the team under Pochettino playing the high tempo pressing game which other teams have very successfully adopted where players ran non stop from start to finish.
i) If Jonjo Shelvey is England calibre then we might as well give up, we gave him and all the Newcastle players too much time and space, Fortress St Marys is a myth, we are a soft touch and the sooner we wake up the better. I welcome your input. Regards VS.

Vintagesaint

1.) 16 Oct 2017 12:35:38
Boufal looked OK in patches but on a positive note tracked back and tackled better than Redmond. He would get a starting position if we stay with the same set up.
Personally though with FF looking like a rabbit in headlights most of the time I would be playing a back three. We have the quality to do that.
Let the wingbacks push forward and supply the crosses to Gabbi and Austin up front with Lemina, Romeu and Tadic/ Davis/ JWP in the middle.


2.) 16 Oct 2017 17:29:20
A great post .
There was one moment in the match that perfectly backs up your comments re Bertrand/ Redmond . Redmond lost the ball in the opponent's half, he chased their player for only a matter of yards and then gave up and stood there. The space that created was seized on by Newcastle and within seconds, that space between Bertrand and Redmond was filled with three Newcastle players up against Bertrand, while Redmond was stopped ball watching not 20 yards from the play!
Love or Hate Boufal, his work rate is very high and if he does lose the ball, immediately chases back and tackles .

To your post I would have added a couple of bright points .
Lemina -- absolutely superb,
Gabbi . first start in maybe 5 weeks?
why I would like to ask Mr Manager . superb goalscorer .

and finally .
Redmond was angered at being taken off . why? I really want to know what he thinks he brings to the party? an empty bottle of cheap plonk is my guess!


3.) 16 Oct 2017 18:08:24
Independent today . couldn't have put it better myself .

There was little evidence of all of that good stuff during the 2-2 draw with Newcastle United on Sunday, unless of course the ‘Southampton Way’ means toothless wingers, a lack of ingenuity in the middle and repeatedly dumping cross after cross onto the heads of the opposition’s centre-backs. In fact, eight games into the new season and there has been precious little to write him about at all.

Indeed, what’s most peculiar about the start Pellegrino has made to life at Southampton is how similar they are playing to the season before, under Puel.


4.) 16 Oct 2017 23:00:36
OK, so another frustrating result but let’s find some context. Firstly, anyone who says it’s the same old thing week in week out doesn’t appear to be paying attention. The manager is making positive changes to try and help the team out of the rut that it’s in. Yesterday, we played a new formation which worked as a conventional 4-4-2. We played two strikers together. The team struggled to start with so the manager changed tactics during the game from our usual possession style of football to a more direct approach. Going forward, we looked more potent then we have for most of this season which was helped by the two goals we did score, but we left ourselves more open to the counter as we committed men forward. As I’ve said before, I’d much rather have a manager prepared to make changes when things aren’t working.

MP was clearly unhappy about the balance of the team after the game. I wouldn’t be surprised if the formation was scrapped as we were too open at times, but if he looks at the two goals we conceded, he may be convinced to give it another roll of the dice with a few defence-minded tweaks. I’d like to think that the goalkeeper for a side with aspirations of finishing in the top 8 would’ve saved both; certainly the second goal.

I agree with the consensus that 5-3-2 could work for us. We’d have the attacking threat of two strikers without the defensive imbalance of overcommitting and leaving the midfield and defence short. But, we would still have two young wingers who can frustrate as much as create (Tadic is not a winger) and without a tall striker, we lack a target for crosses and direct balls so there’s no guarantee it would fix all our attacking woes. Oh, and FF would still be in goal so there would be extra pressure to score at least two goals every game. But if MP is game to give 4-4-2 a go, why not this? Surely we’ll see it employed at some point.

Lastly, there you go Rich with your Redmond bashing, but once again he was statistically effective against Newcastle. I still think a great deal is expected of this 23 year old without acknowledging the good things that he does do. He does create chances, his pace causes a headache for defences, he can beat people, his crossing is more accurate than Tadic’s and he is capable of scoring occasionally. His assists tally would be much higher if one of our strikers could actually score. No, he doesn’t do this all every game, yes his performances can be inconsistent but he’s 23. It’s very easy to pin frustrations on to one player (FF excluded because I’m with you on that one) but Tadic has been more wasteful and less creative, Gabbi when he has played has looked miles from scoring, Long might as well be a team mascot when he’s on, and Boufal is also inconsistent. The whole unit is dysfunctional but for some reason, Redmond carries the can for the most part. He’s knocked for not being direct and taking players on, but then he’s also criticised for trying to beat everyone and score a worldy every game. You would explode with him on one wing and Boufal on the other, surely!? Ha!


5.) 16 Oct 2017 23:03:49
VS, thanks for the long post which gives me an excuse to respond at length. Any excuse to ramble. I think you’ve reached a number of sweeping conclusions about the players and the team based on the Newcastle game alone.
a) Our passing is not poor, nor inaccurate. We have a high possession retention rate and all of our starting players recorded passing accuracy of 80% or higher, save FF whose distribution was very poor and Shane Long. As an aside, I still don’t see why you all seem to rate Shane Long so highly, other than because he works hard. Given that he doesn’t score goals, doesn’t create chances and records a pass accuracy percentage below 70% (a pretty poor 61 % on Sunday) I presume you mean he chases lost causes and makes a nuisance of himself to the opposition, but does that really warrant a starting place ahead of someone else? OK, it was his chasing an over-hit pass yesterday which lead to the penalty, but that isn’t going to work every game or even regularly enough to be seen as a viable tactic for winning a match.
b) . I don’t think a ponderous attack was a real issue yesterday. We looked more dangerous in any event as we committed more men forward due to having two strikers. The down side to this was that in committing numbers forward, we were exposed at the back. This was due to the formation change and if you weren’t happy with the balance of defence and attack, then you are not alone.
c) . Our wide players were utilised as just that yesterday in a 4-4-2, overlaps from fullbacks were going to be reduced and they were needed on the touchline to provide the width. I don’t see how their attacking play would have been improved if they were constantly trying to run in behind their defender as the whole point of defending is not to let them do that. Usually, if a wide player is not running in to space, he will hold a static position to draw the full back out from the back four, then play a quick one-two with a team mate to get in behind that way. As for tracking back, I think there is a problem there, but perhaps this is one of the defensive tweaks to be made to make the formation work better.
d) . I’m not sure Cedric looks all that nervous. Bertrand is having a pretty stodgy start to the season form-wise which must be effecting his confidence level. If he’s not happy with the player in front of him, he is a senior player and should let him know.
e) . Boufal did look bright when he came on and I agree he deserves a run of starts to see how good he could be. I’m not sure I would drop Redmond for him though. Tadic has performed worse for me week in, week out.
f) . debateable. I felt our tempo was much better with one and two touch football for the most part.
g) . I’m not sure what this point is about. We are used to teams catching us on the counter as this is the most common tactic used by away sides. The formation created the defensive issue yesterday, not a lack of appreciating what Newcastle were going to do. We have two fine central midfielders who are very good at protecting our back four and roaming forward. How many other teams in the league can boast that?
h) . This was Van Dijk’s Second game of the season with a poor pre-season away from the team so he’s not at full pace yet. I’m not sure fitness is our issue. We’re not conceding late goals on a regular basis which would be more indicative then players catching their breath during a break in play. i) . Agree on Shelvey. Agree on our home form. let's hope the team can turn things around. It is still early days and the season at this stage is frequently interrupted by international breaks.


 

 

03 Oct 2017 04:53:15
Hi guys
I have just watched the video link for all of Ricky Lambert's goals for Saints and they epitomise what a talent he was goals from all over the pitch and the constant themes are composure, intelligence, bravery. He was a genuine talent, great free kicks, great first touch and movement and sublime penalty taker. I have stated previously that he needs to be on our coaching staff and if Saints fail to secure him, that will be an absolute disaster. I feel very strongly about this guys and I have written to Mr Krueger and implore all Saints fans to do the same.
Regards VS.

Vintagesaint

1.) 03 Oct 2017 14:11:53
I understand the earnest intention VintageSaint, but it seems to me you’re overlooking a few things.

Don’t you first want to know if a) . he is interested in a coaching role, b) . whether he has obtained or is pursuing any coaching qualifications, c) . whether he is interested in such a role far away from his native north-west now that he has retired from playing, d) . whether he is/ would be any good as a coach?

You may consider him the consummate professional with good technical abilities, but that doesn’t mean he can come in and coach strikers or forwards, young or old, to play as he did or be more prolific. Do ex-players make the best coaches, especially when they have no coaching experience? Just because he can execute a great free-kick, can he teach one of our current players to do the same?

It’s a bit of a ‘hail mary’ isn’t it?


2.) 03 Oct 2017 19:28:14
Figo I expect everyone's head is telling everyone the same but no one wanted to say it. I'm happy to live in the land where sir rl comes down coaches our strikers and we start smashing 4 or 5 goals a game. then he comes out of retirement to score the fa cup winning goal and secure our premiership winning campaign.


 

 

 

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16 Oct 2017 20:54:06
Hi staffs, I take your point but 9 points from 8 games is relegation form and if you look at our run of games over Xmas and run up we will not be picking up many points there. The only consolation is we are not the worst team by any means but let's not kid ourselves we are poor but not the worst but is that the height of our hopes and aspirations mid table mediocrity? The game is awash with money but I believe the standard of football has declined and Saints unfortunately epitomise this and it's not a complicated game and we look poor too often. Regards vs.

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16 Oct 2017 13:25:44
Hi Ben, I partly agree with you what about Austin and Gabbiadini up front and Long replacing Redmond on the wing, he is certainly more direct and aggressive and would give other teams more to think about and possibly restrict them moving forward. It makes you wonder at the wisdom of selling Jay Rodrigues!
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Thank you
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23 Oct 2017 16:56:57
Hi Duke,
I absolutely agree with you Forster should be commanding his area and varying his distribution too often his kicks out are headed back by opposition defenders, he also needs to work on his mobility, too often he looks like a big, cumbersome lump. Let's hope the management and players are working on all these points and more.
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23 Oct 2017 15:22:48
Hi Jay
I believe you are absolutely right we need to be prepared to take more risks, it won't succeed every time and the players have to be brave and take responsibility. Too much football now is played going backwards and sideways and players just doing enough with no penetration. I have no problems with players losing the ball trying to take a player on in the opponents half and when we lose the ball, work hard to win it back. Yesterday Kane and Alli for Spurs both scoring goals but dropping back into defence when needed . Again I agree we dwell too long on the ball, we need players running forward with the ball and other players busting a gut to support them and if the move breaks down running just as hard to get the ball back or support the defence. I see Spurs high tempo, high pressing game as the way forward and back to where we were under Pochettino. Coyr.

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23 Oct 2017 11:42:20
Hi Ed, So in Liverpool and Lovren do the back four not get enough protection from the midfield or has his performance level dropped off so much?
Regards Vs
Ps thank you and all the other guys for your hard work.

Vintagesaint

{Ed001's Note - I would say both. He is not getting protected but he is also incredibly inconsistent. One week he will dominate and bully the opposition centre forward, the next game he misses everything he goes for. Though, so far this season, he has not had the dominating weeks! At first I assumed it was down to the back injury he was carrying, but he says that has cleared up now, so I have no idea what to say about his performance yesterday. It was rank amateur stuff.

I have been wondering if he has lost focus on football, with him talking about having been robbed by the use of chloroform on him and his family. I can see how that would prey on your mind for a long time afterwards.

Thank you mate. We really appreciate the thanks, honestly it makes it worth doing it.}


 

 

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23 Oct 2017 11:37:39
Hi Jay, I do agree partly with you certainly Bertrand going forward was more effective and I thought we looked to create more chances. In our defence WBA came here for a point at least and at times were playing 6 at the back. What I fail to understand when you are playing a big, tall back four why keep lobbing in crosses which they will happily deal with all day? We need to be smarter and try and play around or through which we did try more on Saturday. Saints are not the only team guilty of this watching football you can see how few teams actually create decent chances and you see supposedly talented players failing to deliver a decent ball in. Let's face it the players can't complain about pitches when they play on these immaculate surfaces that us amateurs could only dream of. I agree with you the game had 0-0 written all over it and players need to keep the ball better and our movement without the ball needs to be much better. I was heartened though we were taking players on and trying to make things happen. I was encouraged by the performance and hopefully MP is gaining the players confidence and he knows the players strengths and weaknesses. Unfortunately we are not Man City, United or Tottenham with their goal scoring talent but also we are not Everton or Liverpool! lol. If the players can play with more confidence and fluidity, pace and control, I believe we can play in a more stylish successful way.
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23 Oct 2017 05:29:34
Hi Ed Thank you for the excellent response.

Vintagesaint

{Ed001's Note - you are very welcome. You do have a point, but there are very few British coaches around who have shown themselves to have the ability to succeed. Clement, for instance, plays terrible, dire, defensive football. Great coach but not a manager. There is only really Dyche that is doing enough to say 'he deserves the chance to show what he can do' but his pragmatic approach and constant whining about foreigners and how he is not getting recognition will put off any club looking for a manager.}