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21 Jan 2018 18:12:17
Hi guys
A much better performance, yes we rode our luck but better ball retention, Gabbiadini total waste of space, if the ball is not laid on a plate he throws his toys out, his body language is crap, send him back to Italy, why is Stevens going for that header rather than him, even Tadic had a great game, Boufal needs to toughen up, but we were well organised, but second half lapse back into inviting teams onto us, I still don't think we are as fit as other teams but we need to play like this every game! We can get out of this. coyr.


1.) 21 Jan 2018 19:00:11
It was a better performance, but I guess it is true about fine margins with a couple of close chances for both teams.



19 Nov 2017 17:49:54
Hi guys just read the match review on here from a Liverpool perspective and Saints were described as abysmal, no attacking threat and scathing about, Van Dyck, Bertrand, Cedric and their defensive capabilities. It doesn't make pretty reading, I feel sorry for our fans who travelled up yesterday and watched that s---. I think the club should offer to refund them at least!


1.) 20 Nov 2017 09:36:36
If anyone should know about a lack of defensive capabilities it is Liverpool. They were alright testamerday as we had no attacking threat. They also had mane Henderson and Coutinho back so that wasn’t great timing from us. I don’t think it’s down to the manager as it wasn’t down to puel last year I think it’s time for a major shake up and if we can get 60 odd m for VVD after paying off the hoops we should sell him and move in . The whole team appear to be playing with fear and yet again tadic makes one mistake and Salah scores a great finish we need some out an out pace up from and that makes teams keep some players back for the break away and we don’t have that. Survival this season then we need a serious reorg after that.

2.) 23 Nov 2017 03:12:38
I toldly disagree! Sorry. but our manager isn't the right man for us it seems. we all know this is a result business however far more important something is the performance it's self! If we played well but lose we can handle that no worries.

On balance I think we saint fans do not tend to rush and press the panick button when things start going wrong. After all those of us who are long in the tooth have been there and seen it all before.

That said we've had the best opportunity for years to get a good start to the season with the team's we've played. No game is easy of course but tactically our manager is up the river without a paddle. No shots on or off target in a few games this season already? These poor performances is down to lack of conference our players have in the manager and his style of play he has asked of them.

I see some of you blame the players for their efforts and form that's a shame when we've all seen them play outstanding for us in past! Do they become poor players over night? Or might it be something to do with the board selling some of our world class players and losing a couple world class managers by doing so.

I will always be greatful to Markus and KL but it can be safely said she has had a exit plan for sometime. But We are in a
far better place because of them. So they have my respects. KL has the profits so win win end of.

We may need to go through the same process with the new owners as well in time we will see if that is to come true. Only they will need to claw back around 300 million! To do so.

Time to be ruthless get rid of the manager asap replace with Koeman!
Remember the top six teams rarely lost a world class players season after season like we have and still move forward like we did. The board may of felt confident after hitting the jackpot a few times but nobody keeps winning all the time.

World class players don't grow on trees. Sale one and the others lose faith in the board and club as a whole. That is what happen here!
Reality bites.

3.) 26 Nov 2017 19:01:19
So today same players and manager and u still don’t disagree he didn’t gloat or told you so but just reiterated his beliefs and mantra the team played well 1-11 regardless and the crowd helped. Let’s joinn forces behind him he could be anything and the Clive be anything with him. Bring back koeman are you taking the piss everyone players and staff hated him. I’d rather stick than twist at the moment.

4.) 27 Nov 2017 17:52:09
Ok we will have to agree to disagree about Kidman yourviews are just as important as my are.

What I personal liked about koeman was the way he handle the media personally I hate them generally as they are parasites.

I couldn't possible know if the players hated him as you said as that's hear say! The fact remains he got us in Europe which ment he got results. Which ment he did job well like him or not!

The reason we didn't progress well in Europe was because wanmama antics refusing to play! Who's to blame for that?

As for Norman's short lived Everton career wow after one season he took them forward masively leapfroging us!

Then giving him just 9 games this season to gell together so many new players is nonsense! Just because their new chairman is ex KGB Russian.

{Ed001's Note - he was sacked because he was an arrogant tit who was hated by the players and staff at the club. He refused to fulfil his contracted obligations with regard to community activities, both at Saints and Everton and was roundly hated by all the staff at both. Nothing to do with your nonsense about the new chairman, when the Everton chairman is in fact the same one, Bill Kenwright, who has never been anything to do with the KGB. Why spout such ignorant lies?}

5.) 28 Nov 2017 10:32:05
Ok sorry for the misunderstanding on Everton chairman front: kenwright has always been a cool guy. So it's my mistake but I was trying (badly) to reference Everton's controling owner e. g. the one with the real power! He is connected in Putin and the k. G. B and his money. So said a T. V documenty I saw two weeks.

As for his refuseal to fulfilling his contact with us you are again correct!
However, I blame both party's for this. firstly Koeman, yes he not without blame.

But I blame our board mostly. Because they had the power! But they chose to showed weakness instead. Letting him go for 5 million to Everton, when he got us in Europe. Therefore under valuing the job he did for us.

If our clubs board showed some consistances which I feel they must.

The answer every single time should be the same. Which is your under contract your going nowhere full stop! Which means he couldn't of excepted the Everton job in the first place.
Losing 5 million compo would mean little to a club our size at the end of the day. Showing some balls and consistencey would prove a point to the media, players and managers alike. Stop messing with us.

let players contacting run down if they wish to move at the end it fair play. If we pay 18 million for a player who score 20 plus goals per season and signed Five contact his value to us is approx 3.6 million a season real worth ( plus wages) peanuts! In the footballing world today.

As for your claim all the staff and players didn't like him one bit if true ( again that is hear say)
Please point me towards a video clip to watch to prove your point?
Then I'll give your view some weight.
That said nobody gets on with everyone all the time. Frankly it's not his job to be liked nor is it the most important personal quailtly to have in a manager Getting job done is.! Nobody can argue he took us forward therefore did his job well.
Koeman took us forward in both his season with us! Otherwise Everton wouldn't of headhuntered him.

I'm short I'm not asking you to like him just merely respect the great job did for us.

Frankly in a fantasy world if I was in the saints manager Job I'll be hard nosed about it full stop! I'm not the type person to start Licking players asses. Tell them to Shutup your paid to do a job get on with it! If you refuse to play I will break them. Likewise I'll deal with media in the same way ( have they shown us respect)
In my view No! So I wouldn't be showing them respact. It is better to be feared as a manager then liked.

{Ed001's Note - whatever. Your ignorance is astonishing, which is no wonder as you are dismissive of anyone else's view. I really can't be bothered with you. It is pointless talking to someone who doesn't want to listen so I won't.}

6.) 29 Nov 2017 11:50:04
I am just impressed Ed managed to understand this.

7.) 30 Nov 2017 10:07:34
4thelove, it was well documented that koeman was strongly disliked by first team players, some staff and pretty much all the younger players.

I believe the quote from mane was "he's an arrogant asshat". Koeman got lucky to not get sacked by saints. If it wasn't for Shane long going on a goal scoring run (hard to believe I know) a couple of years ago that pulled us up the league, koeman could have lost his job then.

He absolutely tore Matty targett to shreds in front of the whole squad, ward-prowse hated him. Even for a Dutch bloke koeman is arrogant and it was only a matter of time until things turned very sour at everton. Koeman is great for a season, and then things tend to go wrong for him.

At saints he did sod all community work, refused to promote any youth players, and didn't spend long enough at the training ground or on the pitch. seems he made those same mistakes at everton too. Getting 5-6 million for him was bloody good business for a manager who refused to commit to us and sign a new contract. This information was leaked over 18 months ago. But obviously because there are no videos of staff confirming it, it's all rubbish? Jeez.

8.) 30 Nov 2017 13:54:26
MilkySaint you make some fair points here!
well said I take on board. However note no youth player has broken through since he's left so maybe he had a point here in his views.

I do recall mane turning up late for training a couple of times as well so has reason to dislike him for fining him and dropping him as well.

As for comminity work I can't be sure he refused to all that was asked of him but do know he came to look at young youth player here in Botley for some one on one training a few times.

I can't support his actions towards Matt Target even though I personal think Matt will never be of premiere quaitly. As I believe he'll be soon be sold on.

Also I can't agree with you in hindsight can you honestly say another season under Koeman wouldn't of been far better then it was under C. P?
and the flat boring season we had?
No with all his faults another season under Koeman over the season we had with C. P and a possible another season in Europe would be my personal choice.
It's also about our apporch of forcing managers, players to honour their contacts!
invoking this consinsdencely would mean we wouldn't need to put up with player saga's season after season.
we've put up with this s. t for years
believe me when I say if I was The Saint manager in a fantasy world I would told V. V. D your never be sold by Southampton nor will you play for as again forcing him to wait until he was 30 years to play a professional game again only then when we are perpare to rueing a player will we get the respect we deserve.

9.) 03 Dec 2017 12:39:21
It's not the managers choice. It's down to the board. After selling lallana etc and fans kicking off we has to set a precedent and tell vvd he's going nowhere.

Last season we had McQueen and sims come in to the squad and play Well. If they can continue to improve then they are potential first team players in the next couple of years.

As for last season under puel, we finished 8th in the league and reached the league cup final (which we deserved to win) without key injuries to vvd and Austin and without the jose fonte issue maybe we'd have done even better.

We told koeman to stay and sign a new contract to show his commitment. He didn't want to so we replaced him. How can you expect players to sign new deals and commit if the manager refuses to do So?

So no, I don't think another season under koeman would have been "far better". it could have been far worse.

10.) 04 Dec 2017 13:57:01
You can't really expect any manager to commit themselves to Southampton at the time with our track record of selling some of best players season after season?
when they have ambision of their own which isn't being reciprocated at the club they are at!

Ok we got to a final fair play to C. P and we played well in that match and we was unlucky to lose you are correct. One match doesn't make season of watching boring entertainment value football.

The fact for most of the season it was boring to watch sideways passing just to keep the ball. Finishing 8th on a total of 46 points over koeman's two season finishes of 7th 60 points high tempo style and pleasing to watch follow by a 6th on 63 points total. if that isn't going backwards I don't what is?

The fact remains players and in some cases managers don't have the time in their careers to wait around till everything fits into place for them to succeed where they are at. In hindsight I am sure Koeman thinks he should of stayed here with us. At the time I bet he thought he was being undermined. His efforts not truely valued.

But Everton fc offered him more personal money and more money to spend on the squad. However, if we stop! and thought about it.

Poeple/ owners at Everton also tend to be impatient. Success is required now! And needs to be Constancely moving forward progress all the time.

Koeman couldn't deliver that so was sacked by Everton's controling owner!
Interesting to note That Everton have just replace him with the person who finished one place behind koeman in 7th in the season 14/ 15 who was sacked in that year at west ham? For playing borning style of football.

Doesn't that make you wonder how lucky we have been to of had Markcus and Kat as our owners these last few years?

No in hindsight I'll take Slow, steady and balance progress over the poker style of Everton owners today for sure.

while it maybe difficult for me to except we have needed to lose many a world class player to remain where we are today a mid table team. Note none of our ex players have won anything yet in their careers since leaving us! So maybe we are all wrong sometimes. We easily forget the club itself is the most important thing in the end. The caretaking roll Markcus and K. L have done for the club and supporters has been fantastic and we need to step back and try to remember that.

We may lose a few world class players and managers along the way but they are not the most important thing to hold on to the club is forever a deadicated follower of Southampton.

11.) 04 Dec 2017 19:28:49
I agree with that completely 4thlove.
Many fans have moaned about us selling lallana etc but we needed to in order to build a squad capable of staying in the league and also improving. Without lallana, Lambert, Lovren and Shaw being sold (for well over their value) we wouldn't have got mane, pelle, alderweireld-van dijk- bertrand, romeu, hoedt, probably forster, Cedric, Austin, gabbiadini, lemina. It's progression. what have the players done since they left us? . mane looks potentially world class. Lallana has improved but is very injury prone. everyone else has done sod all since and look half the players they were with us. We've built steadily. Yes, last season was poor by our standards. but poor still got us to 8th, a cup final and we should have gone further in Europe. the board recognised this and replaced the manager at the end of the season. not mid season panic and getting Sam allardyce in! I like the way our club is run. but football is not an exact science. Sometimes things work out and sometimes they don't. We learn and we build and we progress. That's the Southampton way.

12.) 06 Dec 2017 10:52:27
MilkySaint, I am in complete agreement with your views, here! Non the less it's challanging time being a being Saint fan putting up media exploits of continually undermining our snakes and ladders progress. Up one minute down the next.

I wonder if you was Saint manager what would you do in the january and summer Windows?

if you was given the resources required to allow you do whatever you wished keeping it within the bounds of reality of course.

That said it's hard to know if our new majority owners will keep to same ideals we have had these last sevenal seasons?

13.) 06 Dec 2017 16:59:10
I'd like to see us move tadic on and attempt to get a quality, creative number 10 type player. someone with a little bit of pace too. someone like lanzini would be within our budget and who I think could improve the team. I'm sure there are more and possibly better alternatives in europe.



22 Oct 2017 00:15:27
Hi guys, I thought that the way the teams were set up looked a lot more balanced with Bertrand going forward on the left and creating chances. WBA are a typical Pulis team as Lee Dixon said on TV playing with almost a back six plus the awful weather conditions, we looked much better going forward, all the players worked really hard and MP made some daring substitutions which came off, Redmond looked more disciplined and creative and Boufane's goal was an absolute peach, it reminded me of Ryan Giggs goal vs Arsenal, great contender for goal of the season. When you are playing against a big, disciplined back four crosses into the box are a waste of time and I would like to see more variety there and corners. Great free kick from Bertrand! We are not there yet but if we can carry on from here the season looks brighter. Regards VS.


1.) 22 Oct 2017 23:05:07
Good post, agreed. Really positive substitutions that changed the game. WBA are a tough side to break down 😇.



13 Aug 2017 16:28:29
Hi Guys,
Re milky saints post Re Tadic, I think if we get a decent offer we should take it, the phrase flatters to deceive sums him up, when we had Pelle, Mane, Wanyama, Schneiderlin their goal scoring and work hid his deficiencies but for me I have never seen him have a good game often enough. His work rate is c--P, the final ball too often not good enough and his goals scored pitiful. Move him on and replace.


1.) 13 Aug 2017 21:33:56
He played very well on Saturday. Not sure what you're on about really, yes he didn't score enough last year but he created more than enough chances. He worked hard on Saturday too, I think he's underrated.

2.) 14 Aug 2017 00:16:35
I think it's because we don't have a target man in truth.
Austin is a six yard poacher but no leaping salmon.
Tadic had no problem being one of the highest assisters lol, when pelle was about.
And gabbi is a second striker in truth .
Tadic is a confidence player so with some good games
He will come good
This is why we need to never let the dijk back in.

3.) 14 Aug 2017 07:41:37
I personally think we need to start with boufal there's no denying the talent he's got but if he's not given the minutes he won't get there and he will get and make goals from nothing and that's what we need.



06 Aug 2017 17:23:39
Hi Ed
Can you please answer this, is Virgil Van Dyke not handing in a transfer request because he would lose out financially?


{Ed002's Note - I really don't know Vintage but it is correct that he (a) hasn't handed one in and, (b) would lose out finicially if he did.}

1.) 06 Aug 2017 17:32:37
Thank you




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23 May 2018 13:57:43
Hi guys

Sfc publicly stated that the appointment of Mark Hughes was the top priority, how is it that nearly 11 days on from the end of the season and this modern 24/ 7 world that this still has not been achieved? The transfer window has opened and other teams are doing their business early, and yet what of Saints? After such a desperately disappointing season you would have hoped that lessons would have been learnt, but here we are with fans debating whether to renew season tickets as an act of faith and confidence, here we are greeted with a deafening silence! Provoking speculation or possibly worse total antipathy and apathy. let's hope things will improve!


1.) 23 May 2018 17:52:00
people are far too needy for information these days. How much info from the club did we get 10 years ago? 15 years ago? 20 years ago? Practically nothing compared to what we get now. As it happens, compared to most clubs, Southampton give out a lot of information to fans.

Hughes? Calm down, just because it hasn't been plastered all over facebook/ twitter doesn't mean the deal hasn't been done. Look at Koeman - he was signed up weeks before he was announced. If it hasn't been done, taking time and getting the right person is more important than someone moaning on the internet.

Transfer deals? Why rush into them for the sake of it? The transfer window isn't even open until June 8th. Again, taking time and getting the right person, especially this season, is more important that an few impatient fans

People not renewing season tickets? Fine, give it to someone with actual passion for the club, not just the names on the shirt or who the manager is.

2.) 23 May 2018 18:03:44
I know Vintage and totally agree, the board seem completely detached from the supporters. Almost to the point of arrogance, if they are not in a position to announce an appointment just tell us. Saying nothing causes frustration amongst the fans who have stuck with the club throughout a very testing season. The revenue they will lose in season ticket sales for being so secretive seems backward logic to me.

3.) 23 May 2018 20:20:04
Well said SaintySaint.

And Chris, the only arrogant ones are the fans who expect our club to waste their time pandering to their impatience.

4.) 23 May 2018 20:34:39
Just a heads up SaintySaintSaint, the transfer window is already open. It opened on 17 May as this is the first year where the new rule is implemented to end the buying of players on 9 August, before the season starts. Perhaps if you were a little ‘more needy’ for information you would know. Its also interesting that you tell us Saints give fans quite a bit of info compared to other clubs (they don’t), but then go on to say that when we hired Koeman we the club sat on that news for weeks. Sounds about right.

While it may be true that the constant availability of news makes us more demanding, but that is not the issue here. This is far more about the steady degradation of the football, personnel and management of the club over the last two seasons. Fans are anxious about not having a repeat of a relegation fight. Also, both the club and MH have publicly stated they want to extend his contract so why the delay. Yes, you may argue that contracts are complicated things and you need to dot the ‘I’s and cross the ‘T’s, but when you see Arsenal, West Ham and even Stoke get new managers in swiftly, these are parties entering new relationshis by the way rather than simply extending an existing one, you wonder what the hold up is. VS is not wrong to moan about it.

On the transfer front, although I don't think it would be right to sign anyone until the new manager is in and has a say, given money is likely tight, the problem is, most players will not want to think about transfers during the World Cup so anyone playing in the tournament is likely out of bounds for a good chunk of the window. You do also run the risk of anyone playing well seeing their fee jump up or being subject to greater interest.

SaintySaintSaint, the reason why people are anxious in light of last season is for the very reason they care about the club and have passion. They are entitled to take a stand and not simply continue to pump their hard earned money into the club if they have reservations about the club's ambition or behaviour. To some, £600 for a season ticket is a considerable outlay and to the real fans, the ones with passion, the fortunes of their favourite team and the entertainment of the football on display can have such an effect on how they feel it can make or ruin their weekend. If those same fans are worried after the mismanagement of the club over the last two seasons and want to be reassured that the club will not allow a repeat of this term, they are entitled to ask to see some action before parting with their money. What other power do fans have that will get the club’s attention?

No-one is boiling over or panicking at this stage. VS was just making the point that this is rumbling on when it would be better for the club to be a little more proactive not only in getting the required work done, but notifying the fans when it has been.

5.) 23 May 2018 22:17:14
I just think being personal regarding some posters views on this site achieves nothing. This is a site for honest opinions of how certain individuals feel about how the club is being run. What is wrong with that? We all have different views which makes this site a very available vehicle to say what you feel. I do think it is unfair though to personally berate individuals for just saying how they see it.

6.) 23 May 2018 22:51:10
Hi figo

Thank you very much for your support, I think that this season is very important for Sfc, let's not forget the Board have in the last 2 seasons made 1 very disappointing appointment and 1 very nearly catastrophic, so guys you will forgive me if my faith and confidence in the Board is not at it's highest at the moment. For me I believe they are extremely fortunate to be keeping their jobs and they need to demonstrate that they are worthy of that trust and need to really perform above and beyond.

7.) 24 May 2018 07:39:08
Just because the board haven't confirmed Hughes, doesn't necessarily mean that they can't go about our transfer business as normal. They would have been in talks with MH, I presume, and will know what he wants. So I think there is less urgency in a situation like this where than with the West Ham or Arsenal jobs, where they need to get the manager in asap to work on their summer transfer strategies.

And Chris, I assume that's aimed at me. I wasn't personal, I just expressed a view about a group of fans. Whether that includes you is up to you. And it's very easy to sit back and say that, but I do take exception to the mind numbing hypocrisy and inconsistency of many fans on here; it's the kind of thinking that will hold a group of people back in any walk of life and I hope the board continue ignoring fans demands for a long time to come. Giving into fan pressure ends with panic signings like Carillo to satisfy them, and then 4 months later you just get prematurely berated for that too.

8.) 24 May 2018 10:45:40
To be fair to the original poster, fans were told the appointment should happen "early" this week and to date no announcement. I think the concern is that if Stoke can sack a manager, agree compensation with another club and agree personal terms, then we should have wrapped this up by now - in theory.

It then becomes natural to wonder what the hold up is.

9.) 25 May 2018 18:26:44
To be honest I’m glad we’re arguing over when Hughes should be signing
It wasn’t long ago we were in melt down expecting to go down a league
Yes the board didn’t really shine them selves in glory last year but who gives a fu#k were still ready to fight another day
My self I wasn’t happy with the way things were under pillowgrino and then Hughes stepped in turned up the heat and we survived
He’s now got my vote and I’m looking forward to next season with optimism
There’s a lot that needs to be organised behind Closed doors that I’m not interested in so let them get on with it
yes les should seriously look at himself as should Ralph with his comments regarding our club
Even if you know we’re a small club you don’t say that to the paying punters that’s just stupid
Anyway I’m not ranting I’m enjoying time off wondering how England will do this year
I always thought after our heroics back in 90 I’d get to 40 and we’d have won the World Cup by then
I’m now 47 and still wishing we’d lift that cup but maybe we might experience that joy one day.

10.) 25 May 2018 22:45:57
Mark Hughes has just put pen to paper, and signed a three year contract to remain as manager of Southampton Football Club. Get in!



18 May 2018 17:58:00
Hi Ed

I just wanted to take time out from club football to comment on Michel Platinis comments that the France 98 World Cup was orchestrated to ensure France met Brazil in the final and subsequently won 3-0. For those too young to remember this World Cup, France was an odd choice to start with, it had very little history of football as a spectator sport and there were very real concerns that if France went out early in the competition viewers from around the world would be greeted with half empty stadiums. To be honest I cannot remember too much of France's qualifying campaign other than the final when Brazil looked lethargic to say the least and this was attributed to French fans keeping the Brazil team awake through their chanting etc. But now following Platinis admission you wonder what else went on! Don't forget this is the same Platini who denied us the World Cup in 2018 who with his crony Mr Sepp Blatter awarded 2018 to Russia and Qatar in 2022 just after the UK had organised one of the best ever Olympics in 2012.The dark arts perhaps as Mark Hughes recently commented.

Regards vs.




05 May 2018 20:34:42
Hi guys,

Well I guess we all still feel numb and emotionally drained. I think this game sums up our season, a lack of team unity and an inability of individuals to really consistently step up to the mark excepting Alex McCarthy, Jan Bednarek and Pierre Hoojbeg . The decision making generally epitomized our issues, Yoshida being sent off for a totally needless and hopelessly mistimed challenge. Hoedts challenge outside the box again was never going to get there in time and then Bertrand keeping the ball in play when row z was the ball to play coupled with our inability to successfully run the clock down rather than just lumping it hopefully
upfield and surprise, surprise Everton play it long and then a speculative shot takes a deflection and we drop 2 points. So we need to beat Swansea away and not lose to Man City by a cricket score and we can survive. Should we do this we will have escaped by the skin of our teeth! . If we do I'm happy to continue with MH if he wants but I want to see a major cull of players e. g. FraserForster, Cedric, Bertrand, Hoedt, Yoshida
Gabbiadini, Boufal, Carillo, Tadic, Austin, Long, Cedric. This might be considered draconian but none of these players have performed consistently. I want to see the youth team brought to the fore and I want to see a more combative player who wants to wear the shirt not mercenaries who feign love for the club and see Sfc as a stepping stone to a bigger club. Did anyone see FF when we scored? Everyone else ecstatic, he was barely interested! Get shot of the useless immobile lump! Our recent transfers have been nothing short of disastrous and an overhaul of our policies is long overdue. If we survive this should be a seminal moment in the club's history as we never want to be in this situation again. So onto Swansea Cory. Regards vs.


1.) 06 May 2018 22:17:12
Completely agree major change is needed, and that includes the players. Still, well run teams don't panic sell 12 players in a single window. That kind of thing only works on football manager.

2.) 07 May 2018 17:05:00
Its not a question of whether it’s a draconian measure, its more to do with it being heavy-handed and the possibility that it will only serve to create further instability. If you wipe out most of the first team and start again, you can never tell whether a new signing will work as well or better than the player he’s replacing so it’s a gamble. Not only that but signing so many first team players who haven’t played together and established a relationship could see the team stumble along with below average performances. Then, players could start playing for themselves rather than their team, in order to avoid the blame for others misfiring. We then end up in the same old spiral of confidence sapping, error prone performances that see us struggle rather than flourish.

I also think the youth teams are suffering at the moment as well. This season has seen some improvements but there are still issues in the youth set-up not least because there are very few showing the signs of premier league quality in the foreseeable future. Certainly there are none now who have demonstrated the ability to come straight in and play at this level. If we are relegated, then it’s a slightly different story as there are one or two in the youth ranks who deserve a run out in the Championship.

Whether we stay up or drop, I think in the first instance, change needs to occur off the field. A review of the director of football’s position in light of his involvement with the signings of our last two managers and the players who have come in. For every successful appointment there has been one or two failures and that indicates a flaw either in the man or the system. However, even if it’s the latter, Les Reed still remains culpable as he is the head of the system and part of his remit is to identify such issues and resolve them.

Ralph Krueger is effectively the manager of Saints as a business which is why he delights in finances rather than the football side of things. He has only had this role for this season so deserves a grace period as I don’t think on the financial side of things, Saints have been unsteady. Yes, the business’ success or failure mirrors that of the football team, but the business team defer to the head of football on that side of things and its imperative that the two operate independently. We don’t want a businessman deciding our transfers, nor a football man deciding how to improve our finances.

The new owner has yet to demonstrate what he is all about so this summer will tell us a lot. I think Les Reed may need to go with another experienced/ well known name to take his place. Preferably someone with a solid reputation that will attract players if possible, together with a track record of assessing players’ ability.

In terms of the recruitment process, I do think there is a point about players’ personality and this must be assessed with greater scrutiny before signing a player if we are to employ professionals who will show a level of loyalty and determination to take the team forward rather than use us a shop window.

I’ve said before that employing more and better coaching staff at all levels could help dramatically as we appear light on the number of coaches we have at the moment.

On the pitch, yes we can let some players go but I think to list so many is a little OTT. If we are relegated, most of the players mentioned will be more than capable at that level so a fire sale would seem pointless. If we are to stay up, I would question the sale of the following you have mentioned. Cedric is a European Champion with Portugal. He is committed and professional despite his flaws and has been one of our most reliable players this season. Surely that’s the type of player you’re asking us to have. Bertrand has played in the Champions league final and won, received good coaching there and has performed well for Saints for the most part. Irrespective of whether you question his commitment this season or not, if you saw him after his mistake at the end of the last game, he was near inconsolable. Whether that’s a personal or a team related concern on his part, it does matter to him. Hoedt has also made costly errors this season leading to 3 or 4 goals against us but its his first season after playing in a weaker league so he may still come good. Tadic has been key to us in the last few games so I would be reluctant to see him leave. Austin is a natural goalscorer and the only one on our books.

The maybes in your list would be the following. Gabbi looks very low on confidence. Maybe he’s a little homesick too. The coaching staff need to assess whether his issues can be overcome with work on the training pitch or if its better for both sides if he returns to Italy. Who knows whether Carrillo is a good player or not? We haven’t seen him play enough to know either way. He shouldn’t be tainted by Pellegrino. He deserves a chance to show what he can do. Boufal is temperamental but is also young. The coaching staff must decide whether this is a manageable issue and they can get the best out of him or whether he will disrupt the team and continue to produce little of merit.

Yoshi can go, Forster can go, Long can go and any or all of the maybes above if their issues are unfixable. That would be enough. I would also state that for any player that leaves, a replacement must be acquired and other areas of the pitch without strength in depth or competition for places must be strengthened.



26 Mar 2018 16:03:48
Hi ed,

Can you perhaps confirm players wages in the Premiership, we all see occasional headlines and rumours but I and presumably others would like the figures confirmed, hopefully it is not too much work.
Another topic how many fans are planning to travel to Russia to watch England and how many people would support withdrawing from the World Cup in protest against the Russians nerve agent attack in the UK?
Regards vs.


{Ed002's Note - I am afraid I have no interest in discussing wages. Around 10,000-12,000 England fans are expected to go and I am not aware of the nerve agent attack by an unknown attacker from an unknown country has impacted anyone's thoughts - probably not. Certainly it is numerically down by perhaps 5,000 fans or so due to safety concerns over fighting, etc..}

1.) 27 Mar 2018 00:43:33
Hi ed

Thank you very much for your response.
Regards vs.

2.) 27 Mar 2018 11:43:45
Why should any of us be interested in Premier League players' wages?

Mixing sport and politics is always a thorny issue. The Govt. is co-operating with an investigation into who the likely perpetrators of said attack may be but there has been no definitive decision on that front yet. The Govt. has also taken action in response to Russia's failure to co-operate with the enquiry following the event. Whilst many assume Russia are responsible, the investigation is on-going at this time. Should Russia be found responsible or the most likely perpetrators, the response globally and domestically will likely be far greater and more far reaching then withdrawing our football team from playing in a tournament on Russian soil. I'm not sure that sends any particular message of any great strength to Russia or the rest of the world.

Also, let's not forget who is still running international football. If we are to abstain from an international tournament, surely the protest would be better directed at the corruption and greed of the likes of FIFA than a political issue outside the sporting arena. In any event, one team withdrawing is unlikely to have any great impact so it seems baseless.

Finally, I don't consider the team or our fans are at risk by travelling to Russia for the tournament, save the potential for hooliganism, so from a purely sporting and safety perspective, I'm not sure there are any grounds for not going.



12 Mar 2018 22:20:00
Hi guys

As leader of the I told you so brigade obviously I am overjoyed that they have finally sacked the clown. Here's a thought to ponder on presumably the decision to give him and his training staff a 3 year contract was taken by RK and LR before we were bought by Mr Gao. I wonder how he feels about paying off the remaining contracts for staff he didn't appoint! I would not be surprised that the culling has not yet come to an end! Regards vs.


{Ed002's Note - What do the contracts say then?}

1.) 12 Mar 2018 22:32:33
Hi ed

I guess we will never know but he hadn't resigned and his contract has been terminated so unless there was a failure to perform clause Sfc and mp will presumably have agreed a mutually agreed settlement figure! with a confidentiality clause from both parties.

{Ed002's Note - So why are you making these statements when you are talking from a position of ignorance? The implication was you knew the content of all of the Southampton staff contracts.}

2.) 12 Mar 2018 23:04:48
No ed

I don't have a knowledge of the contracts but I do have a knowledge of hr and employment issues Sfc have terminated a 3 year agreement early then mp and the training staff will have to be compensated as they were dismissed early likewise if they had resigned to leave for another club Sfc would have claims for compensation as would have been the case when Everton approached Watford for Silva he still had time left on his contract.

3.) 12 Mar 2018 23:17:15
Hi ed sorry you seem to have taken offence, from an employers perspective to have offered a relatively unknown manager a 3 year contract is effectively a gamble, a smarter way would have been a 1 year contract with the option for a further 2+. MP's standpoint is he is willing to work but Sfc no longer require his services and will have to compensate him, hence a mutually agreed settlement figure.

4.) 13 Mar 2018 00:11:13
Vs, get what you are saying but to be fair if les offered one year, with an option of 2 years and he had a great first season, he could have been snapped up and we would be questioning why it was not a standard 3 years.

5.) 13 Mar 2018 23:05:00
Well said Gregg and Ed. Fed up of people trying to pass this kind of complete fiction as fact and a legitimate criticism of the club.




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17 May 2018 16:22:15
Hi figo

Excellent post and I agree totally with your sentiments. I think it will be interesting as the club has yet to announce the appointment of MH as permanent manager, how long does this process take with only one candidate? . The transfer window opens tomorrow and season ticket holders are being asked to renew admittedly with prices held at last year's level, but as you state it's same old saints not showing any ambition but happy to keep turning over players for a profit. Its a bit rich that the club show no real loyalty to the players or fans, can you blame the players feeling the same way? 're RK's comment on spending money on the training facility why it is only 4-5 years since construction finished and it was hailed as leading edge, years ahead of its time so where is the need for big expenditure? It will be interesting to see how much of the VVD money is available for players plus moving on some other fringe players e. g. Clasie who haven't featured. Its interesting that nobody is really taking responsibility for MP2's appointment and how disastrous that was on a 3 year contract which cost money to settle early! The premiership as RK says is unique but it is not just about football, it is entertainment, theatre, drama and the connection between fans and players. As you say figo this has been eroded and I hope that this is not the Board and owners view of the 'Southampton way'
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16 Oct 2017 20:54:06
Hi staffs, I take your point but 9 points from 8 games is relegation form and if you look at our run of games over Xmas and run up we will not be picking up many points there. The only consolation is we are not the worst team by any means but let's not kid ourselves we are poor but not the worst but is that the height of our hopes and aspirations mid table mediocrity? The game is awash with money but I believe the standard of football has declined and Saints unfortunately epitomise this and it's not a complicated game and we look poor too often. Regards vs.




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16 Oct 2017 13:25:44
Hi Ben, I partly agree with you what about Austin and Gabbiadini up front and Long replacing Redmond on the wing, he is certainly more direct and aggressive and would give other teams more to think about and possibly restrict them moving forward. It makes you wonder at the wisdom of selling Jay Rodrigues!
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23 May 2018 22:51:10
Hi figo

Thank you very much for your support, I think that this season is very important for Sfc, let's not forget the Board have in the last 2 seasons made 1 very disappointing appointment and 1 very nearly catastrophic, so guys you will forgive me if my faith and confidence in the Board is not at it's highest at the moment. For me I believe they are extremely fortunate to be keeping their jobs and they need to demonstrate that they are worthy of that trust and need to really perform above and beyond.




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17 May 2018 22:05:43
Hi guys

I see that Sfc earned just over £107m from the Premier League plus income from ticket sales and sponsorship so a not insignificant amount of money.




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16 May 2018 17:17:38
Hi lost

Good points I think we all agree that our recent transfer policy has not been up to the previous very high standard but also other teams have caught up and we were possibly spoilt by the likes of Mane, Pelle who were RK's choice and great buys like Wanyama and FF! . Our problems this season have been our inability to create enough good chances and score enough goals. We are not alone with this problem it is only the top teams who for the most part play a high tempo pressing, high scoring game. We have all complained that Sfc were too slow, too predictable giving the other teams a chance to regroup and then retreating inviting other teams to attack us. I am sure we all want us to be more ambitious, brave and please entertaining, and committed some of our performances eg spurs away, west ham away and others have been totally unacceptable and must not be allowed to happen again, watching Sfc this year has been very difficult. I want next season to make St Mary's a fortress again but not through boring, stifling football but expansive fast flowing football. Also to play in a more attacking, attractive way has to make Sfc more marketable in Asia which has to be pivotal to our new owner. I have also long held the opinion that having been in St Mary's over 15 years that to fail to regularly sell out the stadium is a major commercial failing bearing in mind the ultimate capacity is 46,000. With both Bournemouth and Brighton potential long term stayers in the Premiership our potential catchment area is restricted both east and west. But if we want to go to the next level we have to fill the ground on a consistent basis and need to expand the ground to meet the demand. I am really hopeful with MH and hope that this season was merely a blip and lessons have been learned and we go back to playing the Southampton way. coyr.




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12 May 2018 03:37:08
Dear figo

I appreciate your comments but are you seriously proposing that MH who has been in the job 2 months is let go? after barring a total catastrophe keeps us in the Premiership and then we appoint another manager! The third in one year! Please tell me who this outstanding candidate is because the names I have seen bandied about are not guaranteed sure fire successes. Our credibility as a club is rock bottom to follow that path would deservedly make us the laughing stock of the footballing world! And what if your candidate can't win over the dressing room? Do we go back to MH in January 2019? Please are you serious? Your comments about our recent transfer policy is not as bad as Swansea, West Ham, again please do you really believe Boufal and Carillo were good acquisitions? How low are you setting the bar?
The club, players need some stability perhaps MH is not everyone's first choice and his record is not perfect but was he to blame that we didn't beat Everton? No the players have accepted responsibility for their failure to close out the game. This has been a rubbish season and we look we will survive by the skin of our teeth which was the primary objective. As I wrote previously MH has been criticised by the Stoke management saying they should have sacked him earlier but Paul Lambert had 18 games and failed to keep them up! MH is also blamed for their transfer failures, well that's an easy comment to make as he was sacked 5 months ago, it strikes me these are cheap shots for Stoke to make. This whole situation has come about because the Sfc board failed to take action about MP soon enough so our options were limited and MH has done the job he was asked to do. He has the support of the players and hopefully followed by an objective appraisal of the squad and suitable additions/ replacements. Regards vs.




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10 May 2018 23:30:19
Hi guys,
I totally agree with your posts MH has done a fabulous job in a very short time scale. To contemplate other options who are relatively unknown and relatively unproven is a huge, huge gamble! MH is our fourth manager in 3 years, we have had enough gambling and let's have some stability. Questions have been asked about his transfer dealings at Stoke but again let's not forget our vaunted black box is not faultless and again two very recent acquisitions Boufal was Puels choice just before he was kicked out and Carillo MP's shortly before he was outed. For me the main factor is he has united the dressing room and let's face it this club needs some stability plus don't forget a new owner only 6 months ago. The majority of players have publicly stated that they have enjoyed his managership and he must stay. Also players have been publicly stating that they have underachieved this season and taking responsibility for their actions. let's not forget football managers are a rare breed and we are not in the top echelons and so we need to cut our cloth accordingly. MH was at Stoke a very similar size club and previously kept them in the top half of the table, possibly he made mistakes there but who doesn't, I am sure he has learned from them and wants to put his stamp on Sfc and prove the doubters wrong. Re the squad we need to take a long, hard look at players and address our inability to score goals which has been the root cause of our problems, and if certain individuals cannot improve then hopefully better replacements can be found. I do feel that Sfc are caught between the proverbial rock and a hard place, labelled a selling club but if your best players can go and play at a higher level and double or triple their salaries who can blame them? We as individuals given that opportunity would do the same thing. We have to accept that unless we can do a Leicester we are not competing for the Premier League, but we can do a Burnley who with a limited budget have achieved Europa league football. We have a magnificent training setup and let's maximise the youth setup and ensure that our future acquisitions are the right fit regarding temperament, character etc. This season we have tendered on the brink of relegation and we all know it's a crap place to be, so next season if we improve all over the pitch cut out stupid mistakes learn to close out games when we are winning 1-0 we can look back at this end of season as a pivotal moment in the club's history. So Sunday let's go and put in a professional performance and get the 1 point needed or more to totally negate Swanseas result. ps I loved the club's Twitter feed 're the Marriott. COYS.