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19 Nov 2017 17:49:54
Hi guys just read the match review on here from a Liverpool perspective and Saints were described as abysmal, no attacking threat and scathing about, Van Dyck, Bertrand, Cedric and their defensive capabilities. It doesn't make pretty reading, I feel sorry for our fans who travelled up yesterday and watched that s---. I think the club should offer to refund them at least!

Vintagesaint

1.) 20 Nov 2017 09:36:36
If anyone should know about a lack of defensive capabilities it is Liverpool. They were alright testamerday as we had no attacking threat. They also had mane Henderson and Coutinho back so that wasn’t great timing from us. I don’t think it’s down to the manager as it wasn’t down to puel last year I think it’s time for a major shake up and if we can get 60 odd m for VVD after paying off the hoops we should sell him and move in . The whole team appear to be playing with fear and yet again tadic makes one mistake and Salah scores a great finish we need some out an out pace up from and that makes teams keep some players back for the break away and we don’t have that. Survival this season then we need a serious reorg after that.


2.) 23 Nov 2017 03:12:38
I toldly disagree! Sorry. but our manager isn't the right man for us it seems. we all know this is a result business however far more important something is the performance it's self! If we played well but lose we can handle that no worries.

On balance I think we saint fans do not tend to rush and press the panick button when things start going wrong. After all those of us who are long in the tooth have been there and seen it all before.

That said we've had the best opportunity for years to get a good start to the season with the team's we've played. No game is easy of course but tactically our manager is up the river without a paddle. No shots on or off target in a few games this season already? These poor performances is down to lack of conference our players have in the manager and his style of play he has asked of them.

I see some of you blame the players for their efforts and form that's a shame when we've all seen them play outstanding for us in past! Do they become poor players over night? Or might it be something to do with the board selling some of our world class players and losing a couple world class managers by doing so.


I will always be greatful to Markus and KL but it can be safely said she has had a exit plan for sometime. But We are in a
far better place because of them. So they have my respects. KL has the profits so win win end of.

We may need to go through the same process with the new owners as well in time we will see if that is to come true. Only they will need to claw back around 300 million! To do so.

Time to be ruthless get rid of the manager asap replace with Koeman!
Remember the top six teams rarely lost a world class players season after season like we have and still move forward like we did. The board may of felt confident after hitting the jackpot a few times but nobody keeps winning all the time.

World class players don't grow on trees. Sale one and the others lose faith in the board and club as a whole. That is what happen here!
Reality bites.


3.) 26 Nov 2017 19:01:19
So today same players and manager and u still don’t disagree he didn’t gloat or told you so but just reiterated his beliefs and mantra the team played well 1-11 regardless and the crowd helped. Let’s joinn forces behind him he could be anything and the Clive be anything with him. Bring back koeman are you taking the piss everyone players and staff hated him. I’d rather stick than twist at the moment.


4.) 27 Nov 2017 17:52:09
Ok we will have to agree to disagree about Kidman yourviews are just as important as my are.


What I personal liked about koeman was the way he handle the media personally I hate them generally as they are parasites.

I couldn't possible know if the players hated him as you said as that's hear say! The fact remains he got us in Europe which ment he got results. Which ment he did job well like him or not!

The reason we didn't progress well in Europe was because wanmama antics refusing to play! Who's to blame for that?

As for Norman's short lived Everton career wow after one season he took them forward masively leapfroging us!

Then giving him just 9 games this season to gell together so many new players is nonsense! Just because their new chairman is ex KGB Russian.

{Ed001's Note - he was sacked because he was an arrogant tit who was hated by the players and staff at the club. He refused to fulfil his contracted obligations with regard to community activities, both at Saints and Everton and was roundly hated by all the staff at both. Nothing to do with your nonsense about the new chairman, when the Everton chairman is in fact the same one, Bill Kenwright, who has never been anything to do with the KGB. Why spout such ignorant lies?}


5.) 28 Nov 2017 10:32:05
Ok sorry for the misunderstanding on Everton chairman front: kenwright has always been a cool guy. So it's my mistake but I was trying (badly) to reference Everton's controling owner e. g. the one with the real power! He is connected in Putin and the k. G. B and his money. So said a T. V documenty I saw two weeks.

As for his refuseal to fulfilling his contact with us you are again correct!
However, I blame both party's for this. firstly Koeman, yes he not without blame.

But I blame our board mostly. Because they had the power! But they chose to showed weakness instead. Letting him go for 5 million to Everton, when he got us in Europe. Therefore under valuing the job he did for us.

If our clubs board showed some consistances which I feel they must.

The answer every single time should be the same. Which is your under contract your going nowhere full stop! Which means he couldn't of excepted the Everton job in the first place.
Losing 5 million compo would mean little to a club our size at the end of the day. Showing some balls and consistencey would prove a point to the media, players and managers alike. Stop messing with us.

let players contacting run down if they wish to move at the end it fair play. If we pay 18 million for a player who score 20 plus goals per season and signed Five contact his value to us is approx 3.6 million a season real worth ( plus wages) peanuts! In the footballing world today.


As for your claim all the staff and players didn't like him one bit if true ( again that is hear say)
Please point me towards a video clip to watch to prove your point?
Then I'll give your view some weight.
That said nobody gets on with everyone all the time. Frankly it's not his job to be liked nor is it the most important personal quailtly to have in a manager Getting job done is.! Nobody can argue he took us forward therefore did his job well.
Koeman took us forward in both his season with us! Otherwise Everton wouldn't of headhuntered him.

I'm short I'm not asking you to like him just merely respect the great job did for us.

Frankly in a fantasy world if I was in the saints manager Job I'll be hard nosed about it full stop! I'm not the type person to start Licking players asses. Tell them to Shutup your paid to do a job get on with it! If you refuse to play I will break them. Likewise I'll deal with media in the same way ( have they shown us respect)
In my view No! So I wouldn't be showing them respact. It is better to be feared as a manager then liked.

{Ed001's Note - whatever. Your ignorance is astonishing, which is no wonder as you are dismissive of anyone else's view. I really can't be bothered with you. It is pointless talking to someone who doesn't want to listen so I won't.}


6.) 29 Nov 2017 11:50:04
I am just impressed Ed managed to understand this.


7.) 30 Nov 2017 10:07:34
4thelove, it was well documented that koeman was strongly disliked by first team players, some staff and pretty much all the younger players.

I believe the quote from mane was "he's an arrogant asshat". Koeman got lucky to not get sacked by saints. If it wasn't for Shane long going on a goal scoring run (hard to believe I know) a couple of years ago that pulled us up the league, koeman could have lost his job then.

He absolutely tore Matty targett to shreds in front of the whole squad, ward-prowse hated him. Even for a Dutch bloke koeman is arrogant and it was only a matter of time until things turned very sour at everton. Koeman is great for a season, and then things tend to go wrong for him.

At saints he did sod all community work, refused to promote any youth players, and didn't spend long enough at the training ground or on the pitch. seems he made those same mistakes at everton too. Getting 5-6 million for him was bloody good business for a manager who refused to commit to us and sign a new contract. This information was leaked over 18 months ago. But obviously because there are no videos of staff confirming it, it's all rubbish? Jeez.


8.) 30 Nov 2017 13:54:26
MilkySaint you make some fair points here!
well said I take on board. However note no youth player has broken through since he's left so maybe he had a point here in his views.

I do recall mane turning up late for training a couple of times as well so has reason to dislike him for fining him and dropping him as well.

As for comminity work I can't be sure he refused to all that was asked of him but do know he came to look at young youth player here in Botley for some one on one training a few times.

I can't support his actions towards Matt Target even though I personal think Matt will never be of premiere quaitly. As I believe he'll be soon be sold on.

Also I can't agree with you in hindsight can you honestly say another season under Koeman wouldn't of been far better then it was under C. P?
and the flat boring season we had?
No with all his faults another season under Koeman over the season we had with C. P and a possible another season in Europe would be my personal choice.
It's also about our apporch of forcing managers, players to honour their contacts!
invoking this consinsdencely would mean we wouldn't need to put up with player saga's season after season.
we've put up with this s. t for years
believe me when I say if I was The Saint manager in a fantasy world I would told V. V. D your never be sold by Southampton nor will you play for as again forcing him to wait until he was 30 years to play a professional game again only then when we are perpare to rueing a player will we get the respect we deserve.


9.) 03 Dec 2017 12:39:21
It's not the managers choice. It's down to the board. After selling lallana etc and fans kicking off we has to set a precedent and tell vvd he's going nowhere.

Last season we had McQueen and sims come in to the squad and play Well. If they can continue to improve then they are potential first team players in the next couple of years.

As for last season under puel, we finished 8th in the league and reached the league cup final (which we deserved to win) without key injuries to vvd and Austin and without the jose fonte issue maybe we'd have done even better.

We told koeman to stay and sign a new contract to show his commitment. He didn't want to so we replaced him. How can you expect players to sign new deals and commit if the manager refuses to do So?

So no, I don't think another season under koeman would have been "far better". it could have been far worse.


10.) 04 Dec 2017 13:57:01
You can't really expect any manager to commit themselves to Southampton at the time with our track record of selling some of best players season after season?
when they have ambision of their own which isn't being reciprocated at the club they are at!

Ok we got to a final fair play to C. P and we played well in that match and we was unlucky to lose you are correct. One match doesn't make season of watching boring entertainment value football.

The fact for most of the season it was boring to watch sideways passing just to keep the ball. Finishing 8th on a total of 46 points over koeman's two season finishes of 7th 60 points high tempo style and pleasing to watch follow by a 6th on 63 points total. if that isn't going backwards I don't what is?

The fact remains players and in some cases managers don't have the time in their careers to wait around till everything fits into place for them to succeed where they are at. In hindsight I am sure Koeman thinks he should of stayed here with us. At the time I bet he thought he was being undermined. His efforts not truely valued.

But Everton fc offered him more personal money and more money to spend on the squad. However, if we stop! and thought about it.

Poeple/ owners at Everton also tend to be impatient. Success is required now! And needs to be Constancely moving forward progress all the time.

Koeman couldn't deliver that so was sacked by Everton's controling owner!
Interesting to note That Everton have just replace him with the person who finished one place behind koeman in 7th in the season 14/ 15 who was sacked in that year at west ham? For playing borning style of football.

Doesn't that make you wonder how lucky we have been to of had Markcus and Kat as our owners these last few years?

No in hindsight I'll take Slow, steady and balance progress over the poker style of Everton owners today for sure.

while it maybe difficult for me to except we have needed to lose many a world class player to remain where we are today a mid table team. Note none of our ex players have won anything yet in their careers since leaving us! So maybe we are all wrong sometimes. We easily forget the club itself is the most important thing in the end. The caretaking roll Markcus and K. L have done for the club and supporters has been fantastic and we need to step back and try to remember that.

We may lose a few world class players and managers along the way but they are not the most important thing to hold on to the club is forever a deadicated follower of Southampton.


11.) 04 Dec 2017 19:28:49
I agree with that completely 4thlove.
Many fans have moaned about us selling lallana etc but we needed to in order to build a squad capable of staying in the league and also improving. Without lallana, Lambert, Lovren and Shaw being sold (for well over their value) we wouldn't have got mane, pelle, alderweireld-van dijk- bertrand, romeu, hoedt, probably forster, Cedric, Austin, gabbiadini, lemina. It's progression. what have the players done since they left us? . mane looks potentially world class. Lallana has improved but is very injury prone. everyone else has done sod all since and look half the players they were with us. We've built steadily. Yes, last season was poor by our standards. but poor still got us to 8th, a cup final and we should have gone further in Europe. the board recognised this and replaced the manager at the end of the season. not mid season panic and getting Sam allardyce in! I like the way our club is run. but football is not an exact science. Sometimes things work out and sometimes they don't. We learn and we build and we progress. That's the Southampton way.


12.) 06 Dec 2017 10:52:27
MilkySaint, I am in complete agreement with your views, here! Non the less it's challanging time being a being Saint fan putting up media exploits of continually undermining our snakes and ladders progress. Up one minute down the next.

I wonder if you was Saint manager what would you do in the january and summer Windows?

if you was given the resources required to allow you do whatever you wished keeping it within the bounds of reality of course.

That said it's hard to know if our new majority owners will keep to same ideals we have had these last sevenal seasons?


13.) 06 Dec 2017 16:59:10
I'd like to see us move tadic on and attempt to get a quality, creative number 10 type player. someone with a little bit of pace too. someone like lanzini would be within our budget and who I think could improve the team. I'm sure there are more and possibly better alternatives in europe.


 

 

22 Oct 2017 00:15:27
Hi guys, I thought that the way the teams were set up looked a lot more balanced with Bertrand going forward on the left and creating chances. WBA are a typical Pulis team as Lee Dixon said on TV playing with almost a back six plus the awful weather conditions, we looked much better going forward, all the players worked really hard and MP made some daring substitutions which came off, Redmond looked more disciplined and creative and Boufane's goal was an absolute peach, it reminded me of Ryan Giggs goal vs Arsenal, great contender for goal of the season. When you are playing against a big, disciplined back four crosses into the box are a waste of time and I would like to see more variety there and corners. Great free kick from Bertrand! We are not there yet but if we can carry on from here the season looks brighter. Regards VS.

Vintagesaint

1.) 22 Oct 2017 23:05:07
Good post, agreed. Really positive substitutions that changed the game. WBA are a tough side to break down 😇.


 

 

13 Aug 2017 16:28:29
Hi Guys,
Re milky saints post Re Tadic, I think if we get a decent offer we should take it, the phrase flatters to deceive sums him up, when we had Pelle, Mane, Wanyama, Schneiderlin their goal scoring and work hid his deficiencies but for me I have never seen him have a good game often enough. His work rate is c--P, the final ball too often not good enough and his goals scored pitiful. Move him on and replace.
VS.

Vintagesaint

1.) 13 Aug 2017 21:33:56
He played very well on Saturday. Not sure what you're on about really, yes he didn't score enough last year but he created more than enough chances. He worked hard on Saturday too, I think he's underrated.


2.) 14 Aug 2017 00:16:35
I think it's because we don't have a target man in truth.
Austin is a six yard poacher but no leaping salmon.
Tadic had no problem being one of the highest assisters lol, when pelle was about.
And gabbi is a second striker in truth .
Tadic is a confidence player so with some good games
He will come good
This is why we need to never let the dijk back in.


3.) 14 Aug 2017 07:41:37
I personally think we need to start with boufal there's no denying the talent he's got but if he's not given the minutes he won't get there and he will get and make goals from nothing and that's what we need.


 

 

06 Aug 2017 17:23:39
Hi Ed
Can you please answer this, is Virgil Van Dyke not handing in a transfer request because he would lose out financially?
Regards
Vs.

Vintagesaint

{Ed002's Note - I really don't know Vintage but it is correct that he (a) hasn't handed one in and, (b) would lose out finicially if he did.}


1.) 06 Aug 2017 17:32:37
Thank you
Vs.


 

 

28 Jul 2017 16:02:40
Guys, Obviously there are loads of rumours circulating about vvd and the prospective sale of the club and I believe that the 2 are totally interlinked. We are told that the prospective sale price of the club is £215m and vvd £70m so presumably from both perspectives there is a world of difference between an asset valued at £70m and an asset sold and realised and £70m in cash banked and other debt if any paid off. I also believe that this is the reason for our perceived lack of activity in the transfer market. I have read reports KL has a potential tax bill in Germany due to the settling of ML's estate. I must stress that this is my personal opinion and from what I have read so I would welcome feedback.
Regards Vintagesaint.

Vintagesaint

1.) 29 Jul 2017 16:18:44
Players " valuation" doesn't effect the overall club valuation as they are only worth what people are willing to pay . Or the contract they are on.


 

 

 

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18 Jan 2018 01:11:11
Hi Edd,

I am writing 're Coco Martina, now at Everton ex Sfc, I have read the Everton pages over the last months commenting on his poor performances and I have been mystified as Sfc released him on a free obviously he rejoined R Koeman at Everton but I have been mystified 're his poor performances and being released free, but still being selected is that not a massive clue?
Regards vs.

Vintagesaint

{Ed001's Note - it is odd, but they are short of a left back as Koeman never registered one other than Baines. Why they don't use a youth team player instead is beyond me though!}


 

 

04 Jan 2018 22:36:24
Hi guys, just finished watching the Spurs v W Ham game and look at the difference between our shambolic performance and W Ham, we are incapable of producing a performance like that and that is the crucial difference! Yes you can argue both teams were not that fresh but we cannot defend in any shape or form. I read RK saying he will help in anyway, Resign! It's obvious your knowledge of Canadian ice hockey does not translate to English soccer, and having lunch with the players is your idea of helping, what a clown! I have looked at our remaining games and my prediction for the results, I would like you guys opinion Watford (a) draw, Spurs (h) lose, Brighton (h) draw, West Brom (a) draw, Liverpool (h) lose, Burnley (a) lose, Stoke (h) draw, Newcastle (a) draw, Swansea (a) draw, W Ham (a) draw, Arsenal (a) lose, Chelsea (h) lose, Leicester (a) lose, Bmth (h) draw, Everton (a) lose, Man City (h) lose . In my prediction we pick up 9 points from 16 games to finish on 29 points and presumably relegation, does anyone else agree or disagree? I wonder what spin RK and MP will put on that. Happy 2018 Saints fans everywhere!?

Vintagesaint

1.) 04 Jan 2018 23:05:39
I think we could get to 37 - still not enough mind but with a shock result we may achieve 40. A great deal depends on recruitment in the window though.


2.) 05 Jan 2018 07:01:38
I do hate to disagree but I can't see us not winning another game this year. That is extremely pessimistic and if all the fans start having an attitude like that, then we can hardly expect the players to work well for the fans can we? I know things aren't great but if we give the team (and the manager and the board) our full support then we could get back to winning ways. It is surprising but a positive attitude can change the fate.


3.) 05 Jan 2018 17:21:05
I can see us winning 3 games at best which by vintagesaints reckoning would put us on 38 points. which is too tight to call. I understand his pessimism/ realism because who really thinks we can pull ourselves out of this with this useless manager. Losing 2-1 to palace at home should have seen him go straight after that game. New signings won't do anything with a manager that doesn't know how to use them.

Let's take the freak 4-0 win against a very poor Everton team out of the occasion. when was out last win before that!?


 

 

04 Jan 2018 00:48:27
Hi guys, I'm here in the states and haven't seen hilights? of last night's debacle, but who does MP have on his coaching staff? I am aware Eric Black has gone but to be honest I didn't know enough about him, but obviously our marking and defending are f------ awful! Both Moyes and Allardyce have Sammy Lee and Stuart Pearce respectively and both WH and Everton defences have improved significantly. I have stated previously that ex pros such as the Nevilles or even Graham Le Saud or Lee Dixon should be drafted in as we are woeful in this area, and these guys played at the highest level and would have total credibility. Another point we have just cleared just short of £60m from the sale of DVD and we are supposedly quibbling over Walcotts wages? I get tired of this ridiculous penny pinching, we are the ones in the doodoo, not Theo. I'm extremely concerned that if this plan doesn't work plus Sturridge, what are our other options? I remember too vividly relegation and the crap years until ML rescued us and one thing is absolutely certain, relegation has to be avoided at all costs! Because there is no certainty of coming back, look at Fulham, QPR, Reading. It's interesting that myself and others were accused of being too negative and that our forecast of being in the bottom 3 at Xmas was way off the mark, well sorry guys we are deep in it the Board need to pay up and get in whoever will come as we are not an attractive option. So let's see what happens. Regards vs.

Vintagesaint

1.) 04 Jan 2018 09:23:40
Kelvin Davis was recently replaced as head coach. Good fit in terms of he knows the club, is very close to the club, so may be able to motivate players. May have had the say in Alex McCarthy replacing FF. However, has also recently only got his coaching colours so is still very inexperienced. Which isn't what we need right now.
Eric Black himself was quite experienced. Had managed a lot of Premier League clubs (Blackburn, Aston Villa) . However, they're not good PL clubs and a lot of them have been relegated whilst he was part of the coaching staff. So I didn't think he was the right fit.


2.) 04 Jan 2018 12:29:58
I was one of the others Vintage and could see it coming but was vilified as not being a true supporter. Like you my support for SFC goes back a long way and been through all the highs and very lows ( sorry about the pun ), We scraped through over the years admittedly but passion and the will to win was never missing. It may be me that’s changed who knows. Motivation comes from the top and if the board are saying that MP is doing a fine job then the players must think they are doing their best. If they do then their best isn’t good enough, the only way out of the mess we are in is to play with fire in your belly as we did a few years ago. The players back then were mostly less gifted than the squad we have now but wanted to win so badly they gave everything. Maybe I’m seeing it all wrong but if not we could lose a lot more than football matches for the rest of this season namely the support and passion of masses of disillusioned supporters.


3.) 04 Jan 2018 19:51:59
Points well made from concerned fans.
Like you guys been a Saint for more years than I care to remember. Seen good and bad seasons, good and bad managers.
I think our answer lies over at Swindon Town, their Director of Football, Tim Sherwood.
English, top former professional, did well at Spurs (50% win rate), saved Villa from relegation and got them to the FA Cup final.
He's a motivator, gets the best out of the team and uses youth players.
Give him a 5 year contact.


4.) 04 Jan 2018 22:07:33
Not sure Staffs but one thing is certain he couldn’t do any worse. Not keen on Cortese but if he was still here MP would be long gone.


 

 

23 Dec 2017 20:30:12
Hi guys, I haven't seen the game but monitored it on BBC and it seemed as if we were comfortable and as usual let it slip. We have Spurs next and they put 3 past Burnley and Harry Kane needs 1 goal to beat Shearers record so that is a given! I never thought I would say this but Tony Pulls is available and only lives in Sandbanks, Poole so we are on the doorstep. This clown of a manager has to go, sell VVD buy a decent goalscorer and attacking midfielder/ winger try and survive this season and work on targeting players for next year and clear out Long, Tadic, and any others who fail to perform, the football won't be pretty but it's crap already!? Any thoughts, Merry Xmas regards vs.

Vintagesaint

1.) 24 Dec 2017 02:52:10
Boufal is a clown, Redmond is an amateur, Gabbi is a lost soul, Davis has served well but over the hill, Forster is clueless and generally the rest just seem to come on to earn their wages. MP is unable to motivate a group of players who need serious attitude reformation, nice guy but he’s not the man either. The board have some serious questions to answer, we have slid further down the chain since Gao took ownership, VVD needs to go, sorry guys I’m struggling for positives I really am. I said before the Huddersfield game if we fail to get 3 points we will be relegated, I saw it as the litmus test game. Barring a miracle that remains a likely possibility. I have supported Saints for 40 years and always will so I remain hopeful as we all are. Realism is depressing at the moment. We have been here before. Would love to change my name from Forever1976. COYRs!


2.) 24 Dec 2017 08:05:40
Redmond and Tadic aren’t good enough or should I say consistent enough.
Austin is our only goal threat and now out for a while. (He will probably get a retrospective ban for the kick out on the goalie but hopefully he can cover this while injured)
Gabbiadini as I’ve said since the start of the season is no good.
MP seems to rattle on about squad rotation but right now we need a stable starting 11 who can gel together. Changing 3/ 4 players every game isn’t helping.
Jury is still out on Boufal. Flashes of genius but needs to understand that you really only need to beat a player once, not two or three times.
Was Bertrand injured?


 

 

29 Nov 2017 22:21:54
Hi guys,

Well it's a pleasure not to be writing bitching about a performance, and tonight Saints did us proud. I wonder if CA had been on for those early corners it might have been even better, but who knows? I think the game plan otherwise was almost perfect, you could argue if Cedric had still been on would Sterling have scored, but again that's just being picky. A really great performance and happy if we carry on performing like this we have nothing to worry about. COYR.

Vintagesaint

1.) 30 Nov 2017 05:37:48
Agree Vintage. Great performance last night. I, like most on here have given FF a slating this season but last night he was world class. Would have preferred Austin and Boufal to have started up front but was also was glad to see us finally starting with 3 at the back.


2.) 30 Nov 2017 08:39:07
I certainly agree it was an improved performance last night not especially from the players but definitely from the manager and his game plan but we still lost. At the end of the season record books don't show how well we played only the amount of points we got. Don't know about you lot but conceding with the last kick of the game was not unexpected to me Saints are good at that. The win against Everton obviously gave the whole squad some confidence which shone through last night. The difference with Saints and most other sides is we don't take the few chances we get, if we could improve on this conversion ratio I am pretty sure we will be fine. Hojlbjerg has impressed in the last couple of games and with Lemina back I fancy our chances against Bournemouth.


 

 

 

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16 Oct 2017 20:54:06
Hi staffs, I take your point but 9 points from 8 games is relegation form and if you look at our run of games over Xmas and run up we will not be picking up many points there. The only consolation is we are not the worst team by any means but let's not kid ourselves we are poor but not the worst but is that the height of our hopes and aspirations mid table mediocrity? The game is awash with money but I believe the standard of football has declined and Saints unfortunately epitomise this and it's not a complicated game and we look poor too often. Regards vs.

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16 Oct 2017 13:25:44
Hi Ben, I partly agree with you what about Austin and Gabbiadini up front and Long replacing Redmond on the wing, he is certainly more direct and aggressive and would give other teams more to think about and possibly restrict them moving forward. It makes you wonder at the wisdom of selling Jay Rodrigues!
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Thank you
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05 Jan 2018 15:51:16
Hi guys, It's good to see so many people posting though it's a shame that it's because the team is performing so poorly and we are all so concerned. I agree that RK's comments regarding VVD are ridiculous, I believe that a lot of the discontent stems back to CP's sacking, I must admit when I heard I was astonished, we reached a cup final, finished eighth what more was a guy to do?, perhaps that triggered VVD and others what on earth was going on? I also believe that we have lost quality players and failed to replace them but I also believe that we have failed in our style of play. Under MP we introduced the fast tempo high pressing game which was totally revolutionary in the UK and we closed down from the front when we lost the ball and then went on the attack for whole 90 minutes and other teams could not match, hence why Spurs snapped up MP after only 18 months. Now other teams have adopted it, Saints unfortunately now have gone completely backwards, we are poor at ball retention, we invite teams to come forward, and we fail to mark correctly either finally or man to man. Look at Spurs boxing day Harry Kane gets his first 2 goals unmarked 3 yards out, it's quite simply pathetic. When we do go forward it is so slow with so many backward or sideways passes which just demonstrates lack of movement by the players without the ball and also possibly too many players fearful of losing the ball. How many times have we quoted Redmond failing to track back, Spurs 3rd goal Redmond loses the ball just outside their box watches Son go and score with his hands on his hips, no attempt to get the ball back. Compare this to e. g. Harry Kane wonderful footballer, look how many defensive headers he makes for the team or good tackles just outside Spurs box, every game and look how many superb passes he lays on for Alle and Son, this is the modern game. David Moyes commented recently the minimum he expects from a player is to give everything for 90 minutes, how many Saints players this season can we say that? I was really proud of our performances against Man City and Utd but these should not be isolated incidents, this should be a given, but look at LFC away, totally pathetic, not one shot on goal. I'm not being negative here but brutally realistic, no we are not the best team in the league but we are not the worst, look at LFC very skilful players but give everything for 90 minutes, skill without effort is nothing. Man City when they lose the ball they hunt in packs and get it back, how far does De Bruyne run every game and who thought Raheem Sterling would be the player he is now? Let's look at Burnley, small club, small budget, 8th place and they deserve to be there, beat Chelsea at home first game of the season defending Champions that wasn't a blip, they don't park the bus, every player gives absolutely everything, I watched them beat Everton away and in the build up to their goal they strung 34 passes together, look at Jack Cork now a player we felt wasn't good enough. I coached youth and adult teams previously and guys football is not complicated, what you lack in talent but make up in team spirit and effort can take you a long way. Premiership players are at the top of the tree 're pay etc and they know what their jobs are, too many of ours are simply not putting in enough effort combined with a manager who constantly rotates, baffling substitutions etc, maybe that will stop. What frustrates me about this team is we should not be in this situation! and everyone has to accept responsibility. Do I believe we can escape relegation? ABSOLUTELY there are 16 games and 48 points to play for and I believe the only team gone is Swansea but the 2 other places could be any one of 8 but we need to start playing as we did against City and Utd, create better chances, work 100% and we can get out of this. One final thought we should have sold VVD in the summer, most fans would have accepted £ 78 million was a huge sum of money and we snatch their hands off. By the way LFC you bought the wrong player Toby Aldreweireld as we all know is a much better player and he has been stalling on his contract at Spurs. Anyway I am still not convinced by our manager so let's get a result at Fulham and move on from there. Coyr.

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30 Dec 2017 20:24:51
Hi guys, well credit is where it's due, I think that was the best team performance so far this season . No we didn't score a shed load of goals but we retained the ball so much better, we broke at speed packing the opposition penalty area when necessary and everybody! tracking back, ok Utd aren't playing great but not many teams will go there and get a result. Yes Swansea and Bournemouth won but we won't stay up relying on other teams. If we can get Sturridge and Walcott and we can score goals there are 18 games left and who knows where the season could end up? VVD who? So the key is we have to maintain this level of performance and please MP keep the same team! Regards vs.

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28 Dec 2017 08:27:51
Hi ed, Thank you for your in depth response, I would take Sean Dyche at a heartbeat, he has produced a team that is hard to beat, never say die playing excellent football. I watched the game where they beat Everton 1-0 away and in the move producing the goal they strung 34 consecutive passes together before scoring. I am also impressed how he develops players e. g. Jack Cork who was a Saints player who we sold to Swansea, and who has really developed, a sad loss. It demonstrates that you can produce a team without spending a fortune, and without parking the bus and for the most part Uk players. It makes a nonsense of Mourinhos comments about not having enough money to spend.! Regards vs.

Vintagesaint

{Ed001's Note - the more I talk to players and coaches that have worked with Dyche the more impressed I get. I didn't understand why Everton never went all in for him rather than Silva.}


 

 

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28 Dec 2017 05:46:49
I totally agree plus I think there are other issues as well, Yoshida commented recently that the players were unhappy that Puel was sacked and also Fonte tweeted a comment about Bertrand so perhaps other developments are about to come into the open. Let's also not forget we have a new owner who funded the club purchase himself so there is no guarantee that all the money will go to new players. Watching the players come off the pitch after the Spurs game Lemina looked very unhappy and presumably just having left Juventus and Champions League football, he presumably is not impressed with his career choice. Let's face it would you trust MP spending your money? I also think that this VVD deal is the last one where Saints buy cheap and sell dear, many of the other clubs have possibly overtaken us and our vaunted black box and I fear mid table and survival is going to our future as a club. I think we need to look long and hard at Sean Dyche and Burnley as that seems the way forward for a club like ours. We do not have the glamour of the London or Northern clubs or the fanatical support or numbers. It has always bothered me that since we moved into St Mary's we have rarely consistently sold out and there is no demand to increase the capacity which is a failure in itself. We live in an affluent area and the closest Premier League football is Bournemouth with 12,000 capacity who are a relative newcomer or Brighton. I feel that if we sack this manager the next choice is absolutely vital for our credibility as a club and where we are going in the future otherwise I am not confident the future looks bright at all. Your thoughts guys . Regards vs.

Vintagesaint

{Ed001's Note - would you take Dyche as the manager? I think he could easily make the step up, he does some brilliant things with Burnley, despite the constant moaning in the media about not getting the credit he deserves.

For instance he has turned discipline into fun by installing a wheel of fortune at the training ground. Each infraction a player makes gives them a spin on the wheel and they have to do the forfeit the spin gives them. No one wants to do the forfeit because they totally embarrass themselves and all their teammates are there to laugh and poke fun while recording it on their cameras for later, but they are all desperate to get their mate a forfeit so they are quick to 'snitch' if their mate has broken the rules and drop them in it so they can laugh at them. Dyche has made it so no one willingly breaks the rules and so the other players will make sure he knows when they do. That for me is brilliant management and you can see why his players absolutely love him and want to play for him.}


 

 

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26 Dec 2017 20:07:54
Hi guys, I watched the game and it was pitiful, Spurs are as different to us as black and white, night and day. They have better players but they have a desire and will to win which we are sadly lacking. They give everything for 90 minutes, trackback defend, then break at lightning speed while the majority of our players, Redmond, Boufal just watch them go and take no responsibility . How can Harry Kane be left unmarked 3 yards out for the first 2 goals? The third goal was a misplaced pass from Redmond just outside their box and I believe Song scored and Redmond just watched it happen. There is no collective responsibility, no team just individuals. The manager has obviously lost the dressing room if he ever had it, but now there are no recognised English managers available with Pulls going to Middlesborough. We have Utd away next and I am sure they will put at least 3 past us, so the next crucial home game we have Palace and we have to win that! . I really hope they have targets identified to bring in with the VVD money otherwise we are really in the ---- and as we have been discussing for months . Regards vs.

Vintagesaint